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8:00 PM
y'all need pasta
 
@quartata It must of been a Cheddar Sandwich
 
@El'endiaStarman I was going to recommend the spell checker, but mine wants to "correct" capsaicin to captain.
 
@Dennis it's not as bad as my one that likes correcting "for" to "fur"
 
there was a song going on in Pandora that I was about to upvote, until I saw it was an ad
 
8:03 PM
Sheesh, one ignited sandwich and several ongoing, on-topic conversations suddenly stopped.
4
 
hey @Mego did you see you got featured in the blog post about hats
 
@Dennis I'm not sure if that was fair. we were discussing mod powers, which isn't really "on-topic"
 
D: did hats get put away today?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I think they've been pinged several times today
 
I mean its about the site, but not really relevant to improving the site
 
8:04 PM
@muddyfish oh, sorry
@Downgoat yesterday
about 20 hours ago
 
I didn't notice the hats vanishing
It made me sad
 
ah
@muddyfish you look like flawr and I keep getting confused
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ flawr is a snake. I am a wolf
Big difference
 
you look teh same small
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ you want me to go back to my other one?
 
8:06 PM
nah, it's just confusing
maybe a downmuddybeast?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I'd rather not
 
yeah, mostly a joke
 
not being muddyfish was confusing
 
@NathanMerrill We were talking about flags (which are relevant to the sandbox recycling idea) and auto-flags (which are relevant to our we-are-not-a-q-and-a-site post). I didn't intend to point fingers (I participated in the sandwich conversation myself), but it did seem noteworthy.
 
@Dennis My apologies.
 
8:08 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ D: downmuddybeasts are not jokes :P
 
@Downgoat rawr. <scary face>
 
@Downgoat Nope, swiss
 
OK that makes sense
 
@orlp I just watched the recording of the shovel knight run. holy smokes.
 
@quartata None needed. The mental picture of your dinner going up in flames was the most fun I had all day.
 
Anonymous
8:11 PM
@Dennis Would you mind refreshing my chat profile please? :)
 
@Mego To be fair, answers on PPCG without explanations are generally low quality
 
@Downgoat When I'm on mobile, I tend add my explanations later as they are a pain to do without a proper keyboard
 
Anonymous
@Downgoat There's a difference between "this could be better with an explanation" and "this is so low quality that it shouldn't exist"
 
Anonymous
We don't require explanations, though we do heavily encourage them
 
Anonymous
Ugh SE butchered my avatar
 
8:12 PM
@Mego I was betting with myself if I was going to see the Hatter's hat or the username Punguin. :P
 
Anonymous
@Dennis The hatter hat didn't want to come back right
 
Anonymous
Makes me sad
 
Anonymous
I changed it back now
 
@Downgoat They rarely require moderator intervention though, so the flag is just noise.
 
I have the hatter
 
8:13 PM
@Mego The black background?
Also shoot I lost my 24
 
Anonymous
@quartata And the cropping
 
Anonymous
The fact that my avatar isn't square with the hat makes it not work
 
@Mego Alright, de-hatted you.
 
@god who let it get this cold inside
 
Anonymous
@Dennis Thanks friendo
 
Anonymous
8:15 PM
On the topic of Community being too zealous with the autoflags: this got autoflagged as VLQ
 
@muddyfish An explanation doesn't have Robbie a token-by token explanation. It can just describe how it does it in a sentence or just a general explanation of the approach. Not saying they deserve to be deleted
 
@GabrielBenamy hahahahahaha it's 40°F inside here and 50 outside
i am not okay
 
Anonymous
And that right there is why we don't explain things on mobile :P
 
Goddammit
 
8:17 PM
It's currently 38 C (101 F) here, with ~50% humidity.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ sweet jesus
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Did storm kill your heater too?
 
ikr
@Downgoat it was bad for you too?
where are you?
I'm in the pasadena area, took out pretty much everything but electricity
for some reason
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Tri Valley area
 
scared the crap out of the cat and she woke me up at 3
 
Anonymous
8:18 PM
@Dennis Yikes
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ lol. It's warmer here
 
We swapped
 
@Mego ok?
 
@DJMcMayhem goddamnit
 
8:18 PM
@Dennis No, I had to look up the word.
 
wasn't too mad, mostly rain but someone got killed by tree :(
 
Anonymous
@muddyfish Cropped and blurry
 
imma go back to picasso now, 1 sec
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ if it makes you feel any better, it was 6f a few days ago
 
8:19 PM
not particulary because it was also about 20 for us overnight
not last night
but the 1 night it didn't rain
 
@Dennis Australia?
 
Anonymous
It's 61F outside, 67F inside. Three nights ago, it was 16F.
 
:( my poor avocado tree
 
Anonymous
Friggin Texas
 
@Downgoat paraguay
@Mego rip
solution: move to minnesota
according to timmyd it's just always cold
 
8:20 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Sadder news: The house tree tree in the redwood Forrest toppled :'(
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ oh no, I meant during the day. During the night it was -15
 
D:
and oh, that's a lot colder
> sadder than a death
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Can confirm.
 
but yeah, both are really sad
 
It's 60f today, so several feet of snow is melting right now
 
@DJMcMayhem Please send resulting water here please
 
git pull origin leg
 
@Downgoat you can have it, we don't need it
little mini flash flood downtown right now, 4 inches of water in the streets
 
@Downgoat Which tree is that? Is that the redwood at Big Basin?
 
I think so
 
8:24 PM
Oh no.
 
its the one with the hole
@quartata I know this is absolutely horrible
 
@Dennis refreshify profile?
 
8:26 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ no it's worse
 
Apparently, the original GolfScript has no square root support
 
@Downgoat :(((
@Downgoat we even felt the storm down near LA, like 8 hours from you
not nearly as bad it doens't look like
 
Any lesser-known golfing languages?
 
Define "lesser known"
 
TeaScript
 
Anonymous
8:29 PM
Minkolang
 
@redstarcoder i.e., not Pyth, 05AB1E, Jelly, or Actually
 
*><>
 
It is golfing lang that doesn't look like you used UTF 8 wih UTF16
 
Anonymous
Vitsy
 
8:30 PM
@Dennis fair enough :P
 
Anonymous
O
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ My sandwich was not metal
it had turkey
Other than that surprisingly accurate
The flames were blue though
 
thanks dennis btw if that was you
 
@quartata LOL
(I hope no further complications arose. It sounds so funny)
 
Oh no no.
 
8:33 PM
@LegionMammal978 would V count?
Gs2 probably counts
 
I still ate the sandwich.
(after scraping off the ash)
 
@DJMcMayhem That acts all funny when I try to give it input
 
Huh?
 
8:36 PM
:P
 
Anonymous
It says something about me that one of my most prominent qualities is my affinity for bad jokes. It feels like I'm being punished for that.
 
@NathanMerrill Sure, go ahead!
 
i'm honestly just this side of quitting my job and just sleeping for the rest of the year
 
@Downgoat America.
 
it would be less stressful
 
8:39 PM
Make America hot again
 
Anonymous
@LuisMendo I do that every day
 
that's called global warming and that's bad
 
@Mego Heh :-)
 
Anonymous
Also the high for tomorrow is in the 70s (F), so it's already hot enough here thanks
 
Can't figure out how to make TeaScript behave
 
Anonymous
8:40 PM
@LegionMammal978 Have you tried tutting?
 
@Mego wat
 
Anonymous
People were walking around in shorts on Christmas day
 
That happens everywhere
 
Anonymous
@LegionMammal978 Tutting. The British response to rude and/or unorthodox behavior.
 
M.s(x makes it say that xM is not defined
 
8:41 PM
There's always one guy who doesn't want to conform
He'll wear shorts even when it's -20
 
Anonymous
@Pavel Yeah but they weren't in any danger of frostbite. I'm in the northern hemisphere. It was in the 70s on Christmas day. That shouldn't happen.
 
Hi folks, I'm soooo happy.
 
70s?
 
@Pavel Degree Fahrenheit
 
Anonymous
No, everyone was wearing velvet and going to the disco.
 
8:42 PM
I know. I was commenting on Mego's choice of units.
 
@Pavel Choice? That's default in USA, isn't it?
 
Anonymous
I live in Texas, which is in the US. We use Fahrenheit most often here.
 
I live in the US, and I have no idea how hot 70 F is.
 
Oh, really? Do you use Celsius in some parts of USA?
I had no idea
 
Anonymous
I legitimately don't know how to respond to that
 
Anonymous
8:44 PM
@LuisMendo Only in chemistry labs
 
I don't think that's true
@Pavel I'm not really sure I believe you
 
Everyone uses F. I'm the only one.
 
No, I use C too!
 
Anonymous
You know that ambient air temperature that doesn't feel too hot or too cold? Yeah that's about 70 F.
 
8:44 PM
Anyone here know where to find good TeaScript docs?
 
@EriktheOutgolfer are you in the USA
 
Anonymous
@LegionMammal978 The goat would be the one to ask
 
@LegionMammal978 ask the goat he made it
 
Anonymous
Considering he made it and all
 
All I know is that freezing is around 30
 
8:45 PM
aka "you're screwed he doesn't doc well"
 
@Downgoat How do you Math.sqrt in TeaScript
 
Anonymous
Water freezes at 32 F at 1 atm, and boils at 212 F at 1 atm
 
@Mego 212 F
It boils at 100 C
 
And 373 K
 
8:46 PM
@Mego You might feel like you're boiling if you hit 100 F, but that's just a fever.
 
Anonymous
@LegionMammal978 Shh that's what I said
 
Dennis is so correct with xkcd.
That is me.
 
you're bald with no visible clothes?
 
We definitely need a code golf tempereture conversion challenge. I'm so tired of googling Fahrenheit values
 
8:47 PM
Now that I've been to wolframalpha, and I know 70F is ~21C, I can agree with Mego's earlier sentiment.
 
@LuisMendo We have one.
 
Anonymous
@LuisMendo I'm pretty sure we have one
 
We should just have a chat bot
 
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Q: Temperature Converter

OptimizerThis is a byte sized challenge where you have to convert an input temperature in one of the three units (Celsius, Kelvin and Fahrenheit) to the other two. Input You would be provided with a temperature as a number followed by a unit (separated by space). The temperature can be an integer or a f...

 
Actually, we should have a chat bot that make Wolfram|Alpha API calls.
 
8:48 PM
@Dennis Oh, I should have imagined :-)
 
We should not have a chat bot.
 
Too bad Jelly doesn't have a converter for K.
 
How does one end a Minkolang program?
 
Not like the one noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ made
 
8:49 PM
Just one where you can type = 70 f to c and it gives the result.
 
Anonymous
@Pavel DataBot could probably do that with some effort
 
@EriktheOutgolfer A built-in to add a constant to a number seems a bit redundant. Having the constant itself might be a good idea though.
 
Anonymous
Of course, that would mean unfreezing the room, bringing it back online, and trying to figure out the new API for TIO
 
For TIO?
 
@Dennis I referred to the K temperature unit, I'm not sure what constant you're talking about?
 
8:51 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer 273.15?
To move from C to K
 
Although I can see what you mean is the constant 273.15. (ah ninja'd)
 
:-)
 
@Mego Good luck. I'm still figuring things out, and it's an utter mess right now.
 
@El'endiaStarman Not sure how I missed this message
 
How would one go about making a chat bot?
 
8:52 PM
Step 1. Don't.
10
 
A bot could easily make the topic summaries but determining what messages belong to which conversation is harder IMO
 
It could totally be useful!
 
@Pavel No.
 
sudo ignite me a sandwhich
 
Why not though? We could do math quickly, convert timezones or units, etc.
 
8:55 PM
@Pavel Fill the textbot and press the button using JS or use ChatExchange
 
@Pavel If it's well-made and used properly, sure. If it's buggy or people start using TNB as their personal calculator, not so much.
 
A "timeout" notification just popped up, but I can still see messages. Any reason?
 
I'm limited to 2,000 API calls a month. We'll be fine.
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Flaky internet connection.
 
Yeah, my internet is actually too slow, but I guess that notification is for when the room has been put into a timeout.
 
8:56 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Nah it's when the connection timeout
 
@EriktheOutgolfer No, that's a connection timeout. Room timeouts are posted as chat messages.
 
Anonymous
 
@Pavel Also, keep in mind that the operator of a chatbot is ultimately responsible for any offensive messages it posts, so you can easily get banned by proxy.
 
@Pavel You don't need the API?
 
Anonymous
8:58 PM
@Dennis I would love if the API were as simple as v1's. It's hard to beat requests.GET("tio.run", {"language":"python", "code":base64.b64encode(b'print "Hello, World!")})
 
@TuxCopter hell no
 
Why?
 
Actual Step 1 for real this time: github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange
se chatbot is too overbuilt for my taste
Whereas this is all you need to do for chatexchange:
 
ByteCommander's fork supports Python 3 too
 
In my opinion, there's a reason I've not made a bot. I have lived Beep Boop Maggot. It was terrible.
 
9:00 PM
def msg(event):
  if isinstance(event, chatexchange6.events.MessagePosted):
    ...

client = chatexchange6.client.Client("stackexchange.com")
client.login(...)

room = client.get_room(...)
room.join()
room.watch(msg)

while True:
  time.sleep(0)
ez
 
The wolframalpha API?
 
Oh, sorry
@TuxCopter Because you have to leave a browser open and need es6?
 
In what way is needing ES6 a problem
 
Bye, gtg.
 
Wait, would I need to post something as the bot account to get the required rep for chat?
 
9:02 PM
@Mego Even the final version is going to be more complicated than that. Requests are sent via POST, in raw binary, and DEFLATE compressed.
 
Anonymous
@quartata We ported it to Node in the early days of DataBot, before we finally gave up and moved to Python
 
Anonymous
@Dennis Ack
 
It might not be the easiest thing to deal with, but it saves a lot of bandwidth.
 
What did DataBot do?
 
Anonymous
It was basically a chatbot interface to TIO
 
9:04 PM
That seems useful.
 
Anonymous
It also did cool stuff like chaining code, so you could pipe the output of one program to the input of another
 
What happened to it?
 
Anonymous
It died of inactivity
 
Anonymous
And then Dennis revamped TIO so the bot isn't usable right now
 
Anonymous
I might bring it back once Dennis sets up the public API
 
9:05 PM
Downgoat has the new TIO figured out.
 
That moment when a comment has more upvotes than the question and answers
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A: Temperature Converter

Sp3000Python 3, 118 116 bytes I=input() t=eval(I[:-1]) u=ord(I[-1])%7 exec("u=-~u%3;t=[t*1.8-459.67,(t-32)/1.8,t+273.15][u];print(t,'FCK'[u]);"*2) Performs the conversions in a rotary order K -> F -> C -> K twice.

 
Anonymous
Yeah, but it's subject to change without notice right now
 
'night
 
Anonymous
I'd rather not put substantial work into a project until the API it relies on is finalized
 
We should get Dennis onto that.
 
9:12 PM
Where's the V repo?
 
What's on the starboard for the private mod chatroom? (@mods)
 
@Pavel I don't think he's slacking
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ the better question: do they just pin posts instead of starring them?
 
hooooooooooooly cow
 
What happened
We haven't been discussing anything holy cow worthy.
 
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Mods typically never reveal specific messages from mod-only rooms. Even to other mods in other mod-only chat rooms, it's a rare occurrence.
 
9:25 PM
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ It's private for a reason...
 
0
Q: Nibbles Nostalgia

sergiolPeople from my generation certainly know what is the Nibbles game! The challenge is to write a game that is a one line, one level Nibbles game using only the line buffer. Rules: You must output to one or both of stderr/stdout Line Width is 80 chars Snake will always begin at the middle with 2...

 
Those are the messages that are starred
Not responses only directed at you
don't be fooled
 
are there any funny who-cares-if-its-public stuff?
 
I just figured it's private so us plebeians don't fill it with spam.
I can't imagine what they would need to keep secret.
 
@Pavel Oh, there's plenty to keep secret.
Discussions about suspensions, for example...
 
9:30 PM
@Pavel the phone call for my job I was just on
 
@El'endiaStarman you have a dead link to an rit picture in your website portfolio
 
You should have probably mentioned that, and not injected random context-less drama
 
I was too busy feeling my soul escape my body
 
@Poke Oh, I really need to get around to updating some stuff on that site.
 
@El'endiaStarman that sounds... painful
 
9:32 PM
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Yeah, for the person facing suspension.
 
Or discussion about how cool it is to have private rooms
 
@El'endiaStarman I didn't realize you had these great discussions. I just thought it sort of happened.
 
I don't think it's exactly a secret, but I'm pretty sure that's where they run the daily lottery. They generate a random number once a day and suspend the user with that id (mod total users). Most of the time it goes unnoticed because there are a lot of inactive users.
8
 
User IDs aren't filled in sequentially though, right?
 
Sure they are
 
9:35 PM
@Geobits I think their rng has quite short period.
 
I wonder who has ID 1.
 
@flawr Well, nobody's perfect ;)
@Pavel User links have a simple structure(see your profile for example), so you can easily find the user for any given number.
 
@flawr their pseudorandom generator is broken. It shows obvious bias towards me.
 
0
Q: FindFirstAndLastArrayList

Sara MawaniWrite a program that will store names. Prompt the user to enter 5 names into the list. Prompt the user to enter a "key" value to search for in the list. *Write a method that will accept an ArrayListand a key as parameters. The method will return the index location of the FIRST occurrence of ke...

 
9:36 PM
No no no. I didn't say all suspensions are handed out by lottery. You still have to behave yourself as well.
 
I see.
 
I'm starting to think that I need a bot to watch the bots in BBM.
 
Just ping a mod to freeze it instead :P
 
SmokeDetectorDetector
@Geobits I have, for real, considered this twice in the past week.
 
Oh, I meant now, unprovoked. Preemptive strike and all.
Then you don't need a bot to watch it.
 
9:40 PM
But it has been provoked. I can't undo that.
 
Ah. I've been a bit busy this week, so hadn't noticed.
That, and I try to stay out of the bot rooms unless Marky's up. It's generally terrible.
 
I seem to be the one stuck with cleaning up after these bot orgies sadly
3 in the past 2 weeks
 
I hope you mean that metaphorically.
 
@Geobits I wish.
 
9:44 PM
@quartata: Maybe you can make BBM into a gallery? That way, you can whitelist bots and users.
It'd be great if you could blacklist users/bots, but I guess that could be too open to abuse.
 
Hmm
 
No, @Geobits, I can't grant you access to Trashcan, it's private for a reason.
 
Most of the bots need humans to interact with.
 
@ArtOfCode Was a mistake. I thought I was lost access to the public trash for some reason. No worries.
 
Ah, yeah, that would make sense. There are lots of trash rooms...
 
9:47 PM
Why do you need access to trash in the first place?
 
The trashcan is private since it has messages from TL
among other things
 
What's TL
 
It would be cool if you could move just not read or write
 
It's also just useful to have a place to put sensitive and/or personally-identifiable information.
 
@Pavel Er... nothing
 
9:50 PM
You aren't a mod, right? There's no reason you can know what's in it and not me.
 
just a joke
 
Except now that you've said that, I NEED to know.
 
It's just a mod room
 
@El'endiaStarman the safest thing to do with sensitive info is to just delete it, right?
 
@Pavel Not necessarily.
 
9:52 PM
So I just learned we apparently have a podcast, or at least a chat room for it.
Is there anywhere I can listen to it?
 
It's not out yet. We're still working on it
 
Is it going to be a catalog of Dennis repeatedly outgolfing everyone? What else would you podcast about.
 
We could start a Dennis pool. Bet on the over/under for amount of bytes between a Dennis answer and the next-closest.
 
But then Dennis could manipulate the pool and get rich
 
Well, of course.
 
9:59 PM
We won't let Dennis bet on it.
 
Just like Pete Rose.
 
No we just bet over 1 byte every time
 
You can't really stop him. You don't know how many socks Dennis has
 

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