The Nineteenth Byte

Lynn

04:02

@Dennis Thank you! Although the first challenge sounds doable without e# in CJam. I might move it further to the end for style points

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I dunno, that seems like a Lynn thing to add.

Dennis

There has to be a way to do the second challenge with an optimal score. I thought I found a way, but it uses one ) too many.

Lynn

(It doesn't help that, recently, my girlfriend and I talked about which punctuation characters are most "us", and I think we concluded I was maybe an asterisk.)

Pavel

@Dennis Which language?

Lynn

(This is a deep personality question to ask yourself.)

Dennis

CJam

I'm probably a semicolon.

Destructible Watermelon

04:07

hello

Pavel

Hi

Lynn

What do you mean by "optimal" score, @Dennis?

H Walters

I think I might be a stet

Dennis

74

Lynn

That'd be a 0-byte solution, no?

Or do you mean the Quine task

Pavel

04:11

I'm the sarcasm mark

Dennis

Heh, I thought the goal was to use as many characters as possible in all characters in all tasks.

I should have actually read the challenge.

Helka Homba

@Dennis That may have been fun :P

But then if you can do any of 2-5 in the first place there's a decent chance you can easily extend them

Lynn

Feel free to golf my 2-3 down, I bet there's a byte or two to save

I need a nicer way to get 'r and friends... Haven't really tried everything there

Helka Homba

'r?

Dennis

Input.

Helka Homba

04:16

Ah. (How am I good at writing challenges when I don't know an ounce of golfing languages?)

Pavel

I finally got around to putting on one of those hats you lot keep talking about

Lynn

I'm going to bed anyway, it's 5am @v@;;

Pavel

Don't really see what the fuss is about

@Lynn what are you doing up so late in the first place?

Dennis

I ask myself that question every day.

Pavel

or would it be 'early'

Helka Homba

04:19

@Lynn But I'm about to post another time capsule challenge

Lynn

What Dennis said

Pavel

@HelkaHomba wut

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Am i the only one who wishes there was a ppcg repository

Almost like illacceptanything, but exclusive to ppcg

Pavel

?

Destructible Watermelon

^

Pavel

04:26

I don't know what that is

Helka Homba

github.com/illacceptanything/illacceptanything

5

Geobits

> WARNING - Large repository; may trigger antivirus software!

Huh. Never woulda guessed.

Pavel

Is there a way to actually build/compile anything in there?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

If I start one, will it have some following?

Ima try

mınxomaτ

MS Paint is gone from the latest Windows 10 preview. "mspaint.exe" now spawns "Paint 3D".

Which is utterly useless.

Pavel

04:32

A) So was MS Paint
B) But the UI is so pretty...

mınxomaτ

No. MS Paint was anything but useless.

Pavel

Actually you're right, I just tried doing a thing in it.

I don't get where the 3d part comes in tho

mınxomaτ

Launches is a few ms (instead of Paint 3D's multiple seconds), useful for quickly cropping a screenshot from the clipboard etc.

Nathan Merrill

you don't use snippy?

mınxomaτ

Why would I use anything at all is MS Paint did the job just fine.

The thing is that I don't want to be forced to switch programs.

Nathan Merrill

04:34

because it takes the screenshot and crops it

mınxomaτ

@NathanMerrill Well sometimes I don't need to crop it. That was just one example.

Pavel

I've always used paint.net

Nathan Merrill

I agree that MS Paint is useful. I just used it 95% of the time for screenshots

mınxomaτ

Paint was useful for doing small things extremely quickly. That's what it was for.

Nathan Merrill

but once I found Snipping tool, I've switched

Pavel

04:36

I know about snipping tool, and I still use prtscrn

mınxomaτ

I don't get why one would replace it with the lesser Paint 3D that even makes you accept a separate ToS.

If it would be a separate program, I wouldn't care.

Pavel

Wat? I didn't have to accept any ToS.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

github.com/rjhunjhunwala/PPCGAnythingGoesRepo/tree/master

Nathan Merrill

oooh, its all in the ToS :P

mınxomaτ

But running "mspaint.exe" redirects to Paint 3D. That's not ok.

@Pavel Yes you do. Paint 3D has a ToS banner on the first launch.

Pavel

04:37

Huh.

Didn't get one.

mınxomaτ

Yeah, no, you did.

But, as me, you might have just clicked on OK as a reflex.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

No one likes my repo :(

I'll delete it tomorrow lol.

H Walters

Must be a windows 10 thing?

mınxomaτ

Yes. Other versions of Windows don't have a preview anymore (except for Server) ;)

H Walters

Paint has gotten progressively worse

mınxomaτ

04:40

It's this thing: microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/paint-3d-preview/9nblggh5fv99

Dennis

> This app does not work on your device.

shocker

mınxomaτ

It rewires the mspaint.exe from Windows 10 14986 on.

Helka Homba

@Pavel Posted. patiently waits for NMP

mınxomaτ

And the Enterprise version of Windows 10 still has XBox services pre-installed that you can't uninstall, even from Powershell, because they are "part of the operating system".

> Approximate download size
206.86 MB

WTF... for a Paint app?!

Helka Homba

Strange how italics play with numbers in markdown. e.g. pasted raw: 16 1*6* 1_6_

Destructible Watermelon

04:44

can someone halp with my koth please

Pavel

Paint 3D

It's stored as vector graphics, but can only be exported as raster.

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Q: Time Capsule Fun: Climb The Integer Ladder

Using the 74 characters from the 2016 time capsule string H@~*^)$.`~+1A|Q)p~`\Z!IQ~e:O.~@``#|9@)Tf\eT`=(!``|`~!y!`) Q~$x.4|m4~~&!L{% write N code snippets all in the same language where: The 1st snippet outputs 1. The 2nd snippet outputs 2. The 3rd snippet outputs 3. ... etc. ... The Nth sni...

Anonymous

@NewMainPosts I really like this one

Pavel

This one seems more practical.

mınxomaτ

@HelkaHomba For reference: chat.stackexchange.com/message/34534537

Anonymous

04:55

I'm not looking forward to everyone and their goat making challenges involving the time capsule characters

Helka Homba

@Mego I probably won't make any more

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Yeah but others will

Anonymous

And most of them won't be nearly as good as yours

Helka Homba

Speaking of goats, @Downgoat where's my userscript? I have goat.

Anonymous

TIL this exists

Pavel

05:00

Downgoat probably set it up and forgot to tell us.

wat

Oh hey @RohanJhunjhunwala is back!

Pavel

Oh, I thought he was new >_>

Downgoat

@quartata yes

Pavel

05:26

Guys, so I'm trying to upload some ascii art to reddit, but to get it to format properly I need to insert a second line break between every line. Can anyone tell me why this isn't working?

Help?

zyabin101

Did you remember the "question unanswered" call to actions?

Before, it asked people to share the question, now

Geobits

> When `tr' is performing translation, SET1 and SET2 typically have the same length. If SET1 is shorter than SET2, the extra characters at the end of SET2 are ignored.

zyabin101

it calls themselves to answer:

> Can you help? $ depends on everyone sharing their knowledge. If you're able to answer this question, please do!

Geobits

@Geobits From the man page

So it's just "translating" the newlines to newlines.

zyabin101

...what if I don't want to?...

Pavel

05:34

I don't actually have a linux machine All I know about tr comes from codegolf submissions.

Do you know how I could get around that restriction?

Geobits

You don't need a linux machine for man pages ;)

ss64.com/bash/tr.html

You don't need bash to do it, you know. You can use any text editor in the world with a search/replace.

Pavel

Oh yeah...

Dur

Actually, most things with find and replace turn out not to accept newlines or control characters.

Geobits

The only one I know off the top of my head that won't is plain ol' notepad, but there may be others.

I haven't had that issue in years though.

Destructible Watermelon

so, um, I guess I'm going to need to alter the maze generator

Geobits

Sometimes it's an option you need to enable, like "extended mode" or whatever.

Pavel

05:39

Found the extended mode in N++

Worked, thanks.

H Walters

@DestructibleWatermelon In the stack snippet it looks like you have a "non-cyclic" maze... is that intentional?

Destructible Watermelon

yup

otherwise too many bottlenecks

H Walters

I usually think of games being played on mazes that have lots of cycles (classical e.g., pac man)

wat

@Pavel ShareX

Pavel

Huh. That's actually kinda cool. Thanks.

@Downgoat This is how I see you in my mind ^^^

PPCG Account name and ID *
Wheatwizard 56656
Language name *
Waldo
Language description (optional)
A open source and extendable version of the game SpaceChem by Zachtronics

Uhhhhhh, @WheatWizard, it's a *polyglot* challenge. It should probably be a text-based language and not a game.

Wheat Wizard

05:52

@Pavel It would be a Turing complete.

And it would be text based

so it would be a langauge

right?

Pavel

this thing?

Wheat Wizard

yes

Pavel

It appears to be a video game.

Not a language

Wheat Wizard

yes and I intend to make it into a language in 2017

Pavel

How would that work?

Wheat Wizard

05:55

I would argue that it is already a langauge

You would define the locations of all of the reactor components in a text file and it would process inputs as they are done in the game.

Pavel

Well... I'm intrested to se how that turns out.

wat

@Pavel put two spaces at the end of each line instead, it looks better

Pavel

And I can do that with N++'s rectangle select...

Too late.

wat

@Pavel there's an edit button

Pavel

Nah, can't be bothered

wat

06:01

@Pavel i hate that about people

Pavel

It's an ascii representation of captain picard facepalming.

I don't think it deserves all that amazing formatting

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Q: Brain-Flak functions

Challenges by default ask for submissions that are either functions or complete programs. Historically Brain-Flak submissions have been complete programs because there is no way to define functions like in other languages. However code Snippets in Brain-Flak can be thought of as functions becau...

discussion

zyabin101

06:21

@DestructibleWatermelon, @KritixiLithos, @PhiNotPi you have an unconfirmed submission to my time capsule string. :(

Destructible Watermelon

@zyabin101 ok

Pavel

I justy realized I could have abused windows newlines with echo '[picard]' | tr "\n\r" "\n\n". Oh well.

DJMcMayhem

@NewMetaPosts @WheatWizard interesting question

Kritixi Lithos

06:37

@zyabin101 I confirm my submission

zyabin101

Nice!

Destructible Watermelon

@zyabin101 where are they

zyabin101

@DestructibleWatermelon In the time capsule string, of course.

Destructible Watermelon

@zyabin101 ok I confirm I guess

ok, I think I've done the spawning code now

zyabin101

@DestructibleWatermelon Nice!

Destructible Watermelon

06:45

I need to just do some other stuff now

for example

Downgoat

@Mego they just added new goats for Christmas too :D

Destructible Watermelon

the actual game code

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba goat first

Destructible Watermelon

then the subprocess code

Pavel

@zyabin101 what do I do if I want to add a newline character?

Destructible Watermelon

06:46

taking a short break now

Anonymous

@Downgoat Completely sold out, though

zyabin101

@Pavel IDK

Downgoat

:(

Pavel

You control the spreadsheet right? Can I just ask you to write in a newline?

Actually, ignore that. Carriage return.

zyabin101

Eclipse hates me.

Pavel

06:49

This is the universe telling you to use IntelliJ

Downgoat

@zyabin101 same :(

zyabin101

> P:\ath\to\workspace\eclipse-plugins overlaps the location of another project: eclipse-plugins

no its not

you just hate the world, because you are dumb, eclipse

Nice thing that the project can be contained in a sub-dir of eclipse-plugins

Pavel

I also hear eclipse indents with spaces by default.

Destructible Watermelon

I have a pimple on my eyelid

:/

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Q: Compose a Song!

Ive created a string challenge, and an image challenge, lets see how an audio challenge plays out because I love using random numbers to do various tasks just to make golfing fun and overly complicated! ;) Preface A Chord in this challenge refers to a major or minor chord (A, A mi, B, B mi, ......

code-golf random music

Helka Homba

06:58

1 1/2 goats

zyabin101

OMD, they were too dumb to include schemas that are required for integrity of the PDE.

They didn't release it on the Solution Marketplace either!

Plugins can't be created without schemas!

Destructible Watermelon

hmmmmmm

what happens if two bots shoot at the same target? does one of the shots go through?

that won't work...

DJMcMayhem

07:20

The weather forecast says it'll snow for 30 straight hours starting tomorrow. o_O

H Walters

Where?

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba I need "1 1/2".sub(/\D/g) == "112" goats

DJMcMayhem

@HWalters here.

JK, I know what you mean. Colorado

zyabin101

@DJMcMayhem Small snow, -10C here

Downgoat

@DestructibleWatermelon no that's the inside ofbyour watermelon coming out becuse it exploded judging by your avatar

@zyabin101 O__O

DJMcMayhem

07:24

@zyabin101 Russia, right?

Downgoat

I thought 18C was bad

zyabin101

@DJMcMayhem Right.

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Wimp. Try -18C. :P

zyabin101

(Yup, I know the exact weather for the exact street.)

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem colorado??

@DJMcMayhem hey goats can eat anything, that is like opposite of wimpy

zyabin101

07:26

Anyone here know the trading card game "Colors"?

DJMcMayhem

18C is when people start wearing shorts.

Downgoat

@zyabin101 yours?

zyabin101

Yes.

I'm releasing a new set of cards for it :D

in Colors, a Trading Card Game, 1 min ago, by zyabin101

A new set is planned. It'll include a Gray action color, six new colors, colour mixing (finally ;v;) and your suggestions!

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem :/

zyabin101

And, I need your suggestions.

Anonymous

07:28

@DJMcMayhem I'm jealous

Downgoat

@zyabin101 Porpoisal: make online client to play

zyabin101

I absolutely can't see a free TCG online client, with source code, that supports PvP.

github.com/TBthegr81/TCG is in Java.

github.com/filler00/mytcg-f3 is a TCG collector app.

@Downgoat maybe you can participate in making the online client? :3

Downgoat

07:44

@wat Fun fact: I'm at your temple right now, the Wat Temple :D

@zyabin101 sure

zyabin101

:D

Downgoat

@zyabin101 I can offer hosting

zyabin101

Okay :D

Downgoat

Can we work on c9?

zyabin101

Okay :)

Or we can work on Gomix.

Your choice.

Destructible Watermelon

07:56

hey sounds cool how to play

zyabin101

@DestructibleWatermelon Rulebook

@Downgoat what do you choose, C9 or Gomix?

Destructible Watermelon

yeah, I should probably use better numerical mnemonics for the units

times I wish python had c macros

Downgoat

08:15

@zyabin101 Gomix?

zyabin101

gomix.com

Downgoat

c9, gives us a VM

zyabin101

:) Okay.

@Downgoat what is your C9 username?

nvm, figured it out

@Downgoat you're now added to the workspace!

Qwerp-Derp

Does anyone have a link to c(ode)?

Ooh colors?

What's the aim of the TCG @zyabin101?

zyabin101

IDK, I wanted to make it because -.(._.).-

Qwerp-Derp

08:29

No like what's the aim of the game

I saw your repo but I forgot most of the stuff

zyabin101

"The action happens on the color wheel. Who'll win the colors?"

^ that's a slogan.

Not sure if that's what you wanted, but I can't describe the ambition of the game.

Qwerp-Derp

What's the winning objective of the game

Or have you not decided yet

zyabin101

To either

- pick up all of your prize cards, or

- make it so that all your opponents have no cards to draw from the deck on their turn.

Qwerp-Derp

So each player has a deck right?

Also what are prize cards?

zyabin101

From the rulebook:

> Next, each player sets aside "*Prize cards*" based on the amount of cards in the deck. These are put from the top of their deck face down.
>
> **10 Cards = 1 Prize Card**

Also from another section of the rulebook:

Qwerp-Derp

08:35

So prize cards are any card? Or are they separate from normal cards?

If you have 60 cards, do you put 6 cards on to the top of your deck?

zyabin101

No, you set them aside.

> To win a match, players must take all of their prize cards by expelling their opponent's colors by Attacking them.

Qwerp-Derp

Aside to where? Are those 6 cards out of play?

Oh

So prize cards are basically "currency"

And you have to get rid of their "currency" (prize cards) in order to win

Through action cards right?

zyabin101

They are rewards for expelling opposing colors.

@Qwerp-Derp Yup, out of play, until you expel an opposing color.

Qwerp-Derp

Expel? You mean "play" right?

zyabin101

A color is expelled if it loses an attack.

Qwerp-Derp

08:38

Also, is there a specific rule for deciding who goes first, or is it up to the players?

3confuse I need to read rulebook ?_?

zyabin101

Who goes first is decided by casting a lot (coins, dice, whatever...).

Play then continues clockwise.

Qwerp-Derp

Rulebook doesn't state that

H Walters

Even in Australia?

Qwerp-Derp

@HWalters Wat

zyabin101

> Players cast a lot to decide who goes first. Play then continues clockwise.

H Walters

08:40

"Play then continues clockwise"

Qwerp-Derp

I heard Australia

@zyabin101 Oh

Didn't see that

Destructible Watermelon

Yo

zyabin101

@DestructibleWatermelon yo

H Walters

Peace and happy new year you lovely peoples

Qwerp-Derp

@zyabin101 Explain colour-vs-colour situations (which colour beats which?)

Also are you planning to sell this in the future

zyabin101

08:42

@Qwerp-Derp github.com/schas002/colors-tcg/blob/master/RULES.md#attack

@Qwerp-Derp I want to, but I also want that everyone who wants to play can.

Qwerp-Derp

So you're making a web version as well

zyabin101

Plus, CC-BY is a free culture license :D

Who said I can't sell it?

Qwerp-Derp

You should include a graph that says what colour beats what

Otherwise the game seems interesting

I kinda want someone to design a logo for CMQ

Who can draw on PPCG?

And is fairly willing to take requests for free?

Downgoat

@zyabin101 cool :D I'll work on it in a few days wheb I get to a computer

Maybe hotel has some which I can use

@Qwerp-Derp CMQ?

Cheddar making Quinoa?

zyabin101

@Downgoat Charles Montgomery Quince, the biographic esolang.

Kritixi Lithos

08:54

Cow's mini-quack

Cows may quack

Qwerp-Derp

@zyabin101 Biographic what

@KritixiLithos That's the alt acronym-thing now, "Cows May Quack"

Downgoat

@zyabin101 wait really

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat The name for the lang is Charles Montgomery Quince, guess what it's made for

@KritixiLithos Yey you're on

How to check what direction (in degrees) a point is from another point through both points' X and Y coords

Kritixi Lithos

It depends if you are looking at it from the x-axis or the y-axis

Qwerp-Derp

@KritixiLithos What you mean

Kritixi Lithos

09:03

That is looking at it from the x-axis

Qwerp-Derp

What about y-axis?

Kritixi Lithos

The horizontal line would be vertical then

Qwerp-Derp

There should be logos for all of the big golfing langs

Jelly needs a logo

Kritixi Lithos

And the angle would be measured from the vertical line to the line connecting the points

Qwerp-Derp

Probably looking from y-axis then

ais523

09:11

hmm, so I decided to have a go at my own monster recognition challenge

Kritixi Lithos

@Qwerp-Derp You could create a triangle from the points and use tan to find the angle

ais523

and ended up with a score less than half the size of the next competitor (309 compared with 890)

I wasn't expecting to do quite that well!

actually that's only just over ⅓ the size

anyone know what the highest winning margin is at PPCG?

zyabin101

Nah.

Qwerp-Derp

@ais523 Link?

ais523

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A: Help me recognise my monster

Jelly, 309 bytes in Jelly's encoding “Æ÷“¥s“ɲ“¡µ’;“ịƊ⁴çNṂ‘_\ OḌ;¢*5$%¥/µ“+⁷ż!¤ña¡jIȧƁfvḶg/Ọ=^ƝĠ0Ẇƭ³½N~=.Ɗ°ɗẇ⁵\ɦ*ɠPf⁾?ṾHḣ 2=⁹ƒ!©ƊĠṣƥ®Ƙ0Yƙ>!ȧtƊN0w,$ɠẎ46fẋ⁷(ṣẆm⁾ŻƓṫµsçwṣḂḲd0Ruṛ’ḃ21+\iµØW“&;:' ”;“¡3ȧ%⁾xƑ?{Ñṃ;Ċ70|#%ṭdṃḃ÷ƑĠẏþḢ÷İ³ȦṖcẇọqƁe ʠ°oḲVḲ²ụċmvP[ỴẊẋ€kṢ ȯḂ;jɓỴẏeṾ⁴ḳḢ7Ẓ9ġƤṙb€xÇ4ɗ⁻>Ẉm!Ƈ)%Ḃẇ$ġ£7ȧ`ỵẈƘɗ¡Ṃ&

there

huh, that looks even more unreadable than normal Jelly (because it mostly consists of base-converted strings)

Kritixi Lithos

09:25

@Qwerp-Derp Something like this should work (calculates the bearing, but you can customise it):

float bearing(PVector q, PVector w) {
  return degrees(atan((w.y-q.y)/(w.x-q.x))+PI/2);
}

Qwerp-Derp

Should I make a meta post for language logos?

Fatalize

It's so annoying that combining characters rarely get rendered properly

I would like to use them as control chars in an esolang but it rarely gets displayed well…

p̺̺̺͂̚

Too small and the combining ¬ is to the right instead of above the combining ~

ais523

why is there a combining ¬ anyway?

Fatalize

That's for IPA things I think

ais523

I have to imagine the shape to fit it into a sentence in my mind

Fatalize

09:39

When you copy it in here it displays well, but no on Github/PPCG

So annoying

ais523

I don't even know how to mentally pronounce ¬

Fatalize

Not

Negation

In logic, negation, also called logical complement, is an operation that takes a proposition p to another proposition "not p", written ¬p, which is interpreted intuitively as being true when p is false and false when p is true. Negation is thus a unary (single-argument) logical connective. It may be applied as an operation on propositions, truth values, or semantic values more generally. In classical logic, negation is normally identified with the truth function that takes truth to falsity and vice versa. In intuitionistic logic, according to the Brouwer–Heyting–Kolmogorov interpretation, t...

ais523

hmm, that seems like a somewhat ambiguous pronunciation!

! and ~ are also often read as "not"

Fatalize

In programming languages, in math it's usually ¬ or ̅

ais523

ah yes, combining overline

isn't the latter normally pronounced "bar" though?

Fatalize

09:44

Usually yes

flawr

09:59

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ probably not, this is based on the find command, which returns the indices of truthy values in an array or a matrix

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