The Nineteenth Byte

Sherlock9

6:00 PM

What is that?

zyabin101

Codepad is an online pastebin-turned-code runner, available at codepad.org.

It also has project pages, complete with their own history of recent pastes.

Chad

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/90059/… Do you think It's a good challenge?

zyabin101

You can also choose a default language, which will be pre selected for convenience.

Nathan Merrill

@Chad you didn't use the sandbox!

zyabin101

I am going to make a project page for code golf, if people consent.

Nathan Merrill

6:08 PM

"The program has to use a loop to calculate the number in base 2." is really broad

Chad

I think my quesion is right.

^^^^

@NathanMerrill Why?

what is a loop?

for

6:08 PM

what about 2D languages?

if they move in a circle is that loop?

Chad

2D Language?

Nathan Merrill

yeah, there are languages like Fish, where commands are 1 character, and you move through the code

>.v
...
^.<

Chad

oh

The program has to use a loop to calculate the number in base 2 (expect if you use 2D languages).

Maltysen

Also what about bf?

Chad

pastebin.com/19k6ymyF

This is my solution

Nathan Merrill

6:11 PM

@Chad what about GOTOs?

or what about foreach operations?

Maltysen

And lambda calc?

Nathan Merrill

seriously. Banning "loops" is a bad idea

Chad

I edited it

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Q: Convert binary decimal

Challenge This challenge is easy: create a program (You can use every language you want) to convert a number N from base 10 to base 2. Here are the only rules: The calculation can't use vector or other way to storage 0 and 1. Between the calculation of the bit and its release must be no other ...

fastest-code

Nathan Merrill

ok, its looking better, but a bit unclear

what does "Between the calculation of the bit and its release must be no other means of instructions" mean?

Chad

6:13 PM

You can't use string

Nathan Merrill

"Do X without Y" challenges are really hard (if not impossible) to get right

Leaky Nun

^

yet this is the most common type of challenges that newcomers post

Nathan Merrill

basically if you are saying "You can't do X", don't post it

Chad

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Q: Convert binary decimal

Challenge This challenge is easy: create a program (You can use every language you want) to convert a number N from base 10 to base 2. Be funny, You've just 1 rules: This is a fastest-code, I put the rules below: The winner of a fastest-code challenge is determined by the runtime perform...

fastest-code

Is it ok now?

Nathan Merrill

yes. As long as you are willing to run everybody's submission

well, as far as being on topic

Maltysen

6:15 PM

Honestly, this will be really hard to test

All the answers will be too fast, unless you're willing to go into bigint territory

Nathan Merrill

I agree. You need some really large numbers to test @Chad

because otherwise, you'll be testing the speed of printing out to the console

Chad

Yep.

The program most speed will win.

Nathan Merrill

"Be funny"-> "Have fun"

"funny" means "humor" in english :)

Leaky Nun

@NathanMerrill ah, alright

Maltysen

Doing it with bigint, actually, doesn't sound too bad

Chad

6:18 PM

Ok

Maltysen

But then your sample won't work

Nathan Merrill

"An output like 00100101 isn't allowed." -> "Leading zeros aren't allowed (No 00100101)"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Sherlock9 lel on the podcast email

Poke

@Chad It's a good idea to try out the sandbox before posting a challenge

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

that's the way the address shows up for me

Sherlock9

6:20 PM

Yup

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

noice

Maltysen

Oh are we doing the podcast?

Sherlock9

Minxomat is still setting stuff up

Working behind the scenes. Making sure that using recordings of us is all legal and stuff

Nathan Merrill

@Chad just so you know, even the oldest among us get challenges wrong. We strongly recommend that everybody (not just the new users) use the Sandbox before posting a challenge

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βετѧ Λєҫαγ

^

Nathan Merrill

6:25 PM

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A: Classification of code challenges

I propose a new tag, fewest-operations, to be used as a scoring tag. This means it shouldn't be used with code-golf or fastest-code. The OP needs to define what operation(s) are going to be scored. If there are multiple scored operations, then the OP can optionally define a different weight to...

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@Chad FWIW I think it's easiest to gain challenge writing experience by answering questions (at first) instead of losing rep by writing bad questions.

Then, after a short while you can start writing challenges

Nathan Merrill

(I slightly disagree, but I'm a bit biased, as I started here as a challenge writer)

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Yeah

But there are exceptions :)

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Q: Short non-cheating Quines, in any language

The goal of this task is to write the shortest non-cheating quine possible, using Wikipedia's definition of a quine.

code-golf quine

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Leaky Nun I was just about to vote to close

Poke

6:30 PM

Writing challenges is an easy way to get enough rep to be able to do other things on this site. I wanted to be able to comment on answers and vote. Took 2 challenges to get enough rep

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

fastest gun in the west

Leaky Nun

hammered, lol

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Wait, what?

@LeakyNun You're a mod?

Leaky Nun

@βετѧΛєҫαγ no, gold code-golf badge

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@LeakyNun And that gives you the hammer?

flawr

6:31 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala More like fastest hammer in the east :D

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Nice.

Leaky Nun

@βετѧΛєҫαγ only for closing as duplicates

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@LeakyNun Meh, doesn't matter, you still have power

Leaky Nun

alright

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

It could be abused

but someone with a gold badge is not likely to abuse it

Leaky Nun

6:33 PM

this is exactly the point

Steven H.

@ASCII-only Typos are typos

Anonymous

@RohanJhunjhunwala Google doesn't allow candidates to discuss the actual interview questions, but I can say that they were largely about data structures and algorithms.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego I figured, google has some strict policies.

Nathan Merrill

They actually have a "black list" for interview questions because they've been posted online

Anonymous

@βετѧΛєҫαγ Having a gold tag badge means that you can hammer close questions with that tag as duplicates

TùxCräftîñg

6:37 PM

i am going to update Caker and with this version i can (ab)use the print stack to print a infinite stream of bits

ωΩ(θΔγΞ)

Nathan Merrill

@Mego did you talk to a single person?

Anonymous

The questions I was asked in the phone interview were pretty simple/vanilla. I will hopefully be doing the on-site interviews soon.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Yep, phone interview

Nathan Merrill

for my interview, I actually met with 5 people, and each time they asked me "what did the last person ask you"

just to make sure they didn't repeat questions :)

flawr

Did you lie to them? =)

Nathan Merrill

6:38 PM

lol no

Anonymous

Basically the point of the phone interview was to make sure I knew my stuff and didn't lie on my resume, so they don't waste money flying somebody to their office who doesn't have any business interviewing for the position.

Nathan Merrill

ah cool. not sure why they didn't do that to me

maybe they did, and I just forgot

Anonymous

I dunno. Different offices have different protocols, I'm sure.

Nathan Merrill

er, my recruiter was not from my office, but maybe

in fact, nobody from the office knew (or of) my recruiter

flawr

Sometimes I wonder how seriously they take those questions. Sure the qualifications need to be there, but the applicants also need to fit into a team e.t.c, and can probably still pick up some skills that they aren't proficient in yet.

Nathan Merrill

6:41 PM

it seemed pretty important at google. They obviously judge your communication skills, but the problems they gave me weren't trivial

Anonymous

My recruiter is from the same office that I'd be working at if I got hired - Austin, TX

Nathan Merrill

and we also discussed things like algorithm complexity and such

Anonymous

Yeah, for every piece of code I wrote, I had to determine the complexity and explain how I arrived at that conclusion

Poke

@flawr such is the nature of a tech interview

flawr

@Mego Where are you living currently?

Anonymous

6:43 PM

@flawr Dallas

flawr

@Mego Ah, so you'd consider that not too far?

Nathan Merrill

also, while "how to use a library" can be taught on-site, writing good algorithms is much harder (and more expensive) to teach

Anonymous

It helps that, for Google, they've already done a bit of screening candidates through foobar, though solutions for those challenges are readily available on some unethical GitHub repos

Anonymous

@flawr Not really. It's within the same state, and only about a 5 hour drive from where I currently am. The move wouldn't be too difficult, except for one kink - my wife just signed her annual contract with her school district, so she'd have to find a replacement in order to leave.

flawr

@Mego Oh I thought Austin and Dallas were closer! But then again I've never been there so I've no idea0)

Anonymous

6:45 PM

But she is very willing to do what it takes to make it happen, because we've both always wanted to live in/near Austin, and Google would be a huge opportunity. If I got the job offer and turned it down, she would kill me.

flawr

@Mego So I hope that you want that job too?=)

Anonymous

@flawr It's about 195 miles from downtown Dallas to downtown Austin. I actually live about 30 miles north of Dallas, so it's more like 220 miles.

Anonymous

@flawr Of course. No self-respecting nerd wouldn't drool over the opportunity to work for Google.

flawr

@Mego I hope very much that you at least didn't drool at the interview.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego I have never been able to get into foo bar :(

flawr

6:49 PM

@Mego Damn google maps, showing miles instead of kilometers. How dare you.

Anonymous

@flawr I was salivating, but that's because I had just prepared my lunch when the interviewer called.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

what did u search for (if you are permitted to publiscize)

Nathan Merrill

its not a particular search, its your search history

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

oh

ok

Anonymous

@flawr I live in the United States, so of course it shows miles.

Nathan Merrill

6:49 PM

I've actually gotten it twice, on two completely unrelated searches

Anonymous

I've searched a metric buttload of things related to Python, thanks to code golf :P

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

has anyone written a bot to google random terms from stack overflow every 20 minutes

lol

Nathan Merrill

-.-

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

:D

Anonymous

Specifically, the search that made foobar pop up was looking up the documentation for itertools in Python 3

flawr

6:51 PM

@Mego But I don't so there is no reason to show miles when I browse google maps :D

Anonymous

@flawr Well if you're looking up American cities, showing miles is a pretty good bet :P

Anonymous

(It's about 355 km btw)

flawr

But not if I'm on google. ch

Anonymous

Yeah maybe they should change that :P

flawr

@Mego I'll call you when you have your job XD

mınxomaτ

6:53 PM

hah

Nathan Merrill

huh. If I do "Mexico city to Utah", it does it in KM

DJMcMayhem

@Mego I was wondering what yall were ttalking about, so I had to read through the transcript, now I'm really jealous. Congrats on a really cool opportunity, and good luck!

Anonymous

@flawr If I get hired, I'd be working on the business apps :P

Nathan Merrill

but "Utah to Mexico City", it does miles

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Thanks!

Anonymous

6:54 PM

@NathanMerrill It chooses based on your starting location

Nathan Merrill

I know, its interesting

@Mego is that everything Austin does?

flawr

@Mego Oh, I thought you applied for the esolangs department.

Nathan Merrill

the Colorado office does google docs and payments, but they didn't actually say which one I'd be working for

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill Not as far as I know, but it's specifically the position they're trying to fill

Business Cat

@flawr That sounds like it would be a great job

DJMcMayhem

6:56 PM

@NathanMerrill Wait, you're applying also?

Anonymous

@flawr Well that goes without saying. Everybody who gets hired works on their new, top-secret esolang called air raid sirens

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Nathan Merrill

@Mego Ah interesting. I don't think mine was a "fill a position" kind of job

DJMcMayhem

And you live in Colorado?

Nathan Merrill

@DJMcMayhem already did, got accepted, but declined :)

@DJMcMayhem no, Utah

DJMcMayhem

You declined Google? I didn't know that was an option

flawr

6:58 PM

@DJMcMayhem He's now working for duckduckgo

Nathan Merrill

lol

DJMcMayhem

I thought they kidnap you to their super secret base on Mars and you have no choice.

mınxomaτ

No thanks. DuckDuckGo is mainly Yahoo.

flawr

What's wrong with yahoo?

DJMcMayhem

What isn't?

mınxomaτ

6:59 PM

Yahoo is mostly Bing-powered.

Except Yahoo Japan I guess.

TùxCräftîñg

u r saying that DuckDuckGo is indirectly Microsoft ಠ_ಠ

DJMcMayhem

@Mego if you do get hired, make sure you leak all their secrets here in chat for the curious in here

mınxomaτ

Basically. And hosted on Amazon EC. "Don't track" my ass.

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ________________________________________ಠ

@DuckDuckGo y u do dis ;_;

flawr

@mınxomaτ Aren't these all great tech companies?

Nathan Merrill

7:01 PM

Also, aren't all of amazon servers powered by the google cloud?

mınxomaτ

@flawr Uhm wat.

@NathanMerrill Actually not.

flawr

@mınxomaτ Or all great cutthroats?

Nathan Merrill

@mınxomaτ I know :)

mınxomaτ

GCE is so confusing. And exceptionally expensive.

flawr

So what is wrong with these companies?

mınxomaτ

7:02 PM

Why should something be wrong with them?

Just saying DDG's claim not to track is probably 100% bs.

flawr

PS: Please host you're comic with an RSS feed=)

mınxomaτ

Uh...

Isn't RSS dead?

flawr

No way, why would you think that?

Nathan Merrill

hey, for those of you that use Java, do you use Gradle? I'm starting to like Maven less and less

mınxomaτ

Never met someone who uses that. I used it briefly in like 2009.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

7:07 PM

Woah @Downgoat, your website is so beautiful :D

TùxCräftîñg

gigablast.com

^ just need to redesign

flawr

@mınxomaτ Pretty much every blog and webcomic and newspaper is ~~using~~ providing RSS

mınxomaτ

@flawr Just because it has an RSS feed doesn't mean anyone uses it.

flawr

@mınxomaτ I certainly do=)

And they probably would all provide it if noboy is using it.

mınxomaτ

Thinking about it, I use RSS feeds from blogs to pipe IT news into my Twitter feed.

flawr

7:09 PM

Even our starboard has an RSS feed=)

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

...why? XD

mınxomaτ

Also I could probably walk to your house to tell you I've made a new comic strip in the time it takes me to release the next one.

flawr

@mınxomaτ But you're probably not gonna do that.

mınxomaτ

Wanna bet? :D

flawr

@mınxomaτ Yep, 5 bytes for the winner.

mınxomaτ

7:13 PM

The winner has the honor of coming up with the next idea.

There, just solved my problem.

TùxCräftîñg

TIL if i add Cake to the name of a esolang i get views

DJMcMayhem

@flawr are we awarding bytes now? How exactly does that work?

flawr

@DJMcMayhem Virtual internet bites.

DJMcMayhem

And why are you awarding positive bytes? Nobody wants that

flawr

Like the virtual internet cookies.

@DJMcMayhem You forget code-bowling

DJMcMayhem

7:17 PM

Oh yeah, that one tag that everybody hates?

:P

TùxCräftîñg

code-trolling is more hated

flawr

@DJMcMayhem I bet even pop-con are more hated.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I love pop-cons

TùxCräftîñg

^

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Idk why everyone hates them

flawr

7:19 PM

I suggest not reading the discussions on meta.

Steven H.

@LuisMendo The competition is getting tougher... :P Outgolfed by 1

DJMcMayhem

@flawr I have seen plenty of good popcons, but I have yet to see a good code-bowling

flawr

@DJMcMayhem I honestly don't remember seeing ever any [tac:code-bowling] challenge.

DJMcMayhem

There's less than 20

Business Cat

We should have slowest-code

DJMcMayhem

7:24 PM

Just counted: there are 19 code-bowling challenges, and 9 of them are closed

Anonymous

@BusinessCat That would just be a synonym for code-golf

Business Cat

True

flawr

@BusinessCat I bet you can go slower with more bytes.

Zgarb

We have busy-beaver, don't we?

flawr

lazy-hedgehog

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

7:27 PM

busy-beaver are great

Nathan Merrill

I'm trying to add another: fewest-operations

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A: Classification of code challenges

I propose a new tag, fewest-operations, to be used as a scoring tag. This means it shouldn't be used with code-golf or fastest-code. The OP needs to define what operation(s) are going to be scored. If there are multiple scored operations, then the OP can optionally define a different weight to...

Zgarb

@NathanMerrill I support this suggestion.

Conor O'Brien

^. the only problem that I can see that may arise is how an operator is defined.

TùxCräftîñg

halp

how do i have a layout file with HAML

Nathan Merrill

@ConorO'Brien that's up to the OP (and always has been)

Conor O'Brien

7:37 PM

@NathanMerrill I suppose, then, this might be a harder challenge to write.

Nathan Merrill

we already have some. Look at the Fewest Steps challenges listed in the question

Conor O'Brien

haha, silly me. forgot to read the question

Zgarb

@ConorO'Brien I just wrote one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/90055/…

Conor O'Brien

@Zgarb interesting!

Nathan Merrill

I think that fewest-operations can often times be a good replacement for fastest-code

Zgarb

7:41 PM

It's definitely much easier to score.

Nathan Merrill

yeah

Zizouz212

Who's familiar with BF here?

flawr

More or less

Theo

Most people, probably

Zizouz212

Any experience with this folks?

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Q: How to add a licensed piece of code to my own repository? (Brainfuck)

For example, I'm building this Brainfuck interpreter. I want to add some people's programs as test cases. For example this program. The program I want to add to my repository is MIT licensed in this case, but if possible I'd like to get an answer not specific to this license. My question is basi...

mit

flawr

7:45 PM

@Zizouz212 I don't see how this is a specific to BF, and you can add comments to bf.

Zizouz212

You can add comments to BF? sigh

flawr

@Zizouz212 Any non-bf command is treated as comment. Usually

Adnan

Everything other than <>[]+-,. is a comment

Zizouz212

Well, you folks can put that as an answer if you'd like :)

Theo

Yeah, you just gotta be careful with the "," and "."

Zizouz212

7:47 PM

Ah, so the .

The mysterious tiny .

Conor O'Brien

Or, if you have a zero cell, [...]

[This is a cat program. it outputs all of the input given to it.]
,[.,]

Zizouz212

You folks should seriously put that as an answer...

Conor O'Brien

kk

flawr

reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/4xzi9a/…

Zizouz212

Ooh! Thanks @Mego

smiles at the evil plan - that is, to steal users from ppcg to fos - is working wonderfully... >:D

Anonymous

7:57 PM

@Zizouz212 Welcome :)

Anonymous

Compatibility of different licenses and how to host code where different files have different licenses is something I had to figure out when DataBot was under development

Conor O'Brien

I was ninja;d by mego.

dang