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El'endia Starman

6:00 PM

@Fatalize Near everything except the 80% that comes up often in regular conversation. :P

Is anyone familiar with ADC operation in assembly?

@drobilc That's add with carry, right?

@quartata Jep, but what does it do exactly?

@El'endiaStarman But at least you understand "anticonstitutionnellement", so that's that

could be helpful, you never know

@drobilc It's the same as ADD but it also adds the C flag bit

I think

El'endia Starman

6:02 PM

@Fatalize "Against nullifying the constitution"?

@El'endiaStarman anticonstitutionally

simple enough

El'endia Starman

Okay, that was my other guess. :P

@quartata It adds the C bit in accumulator?

I know the words that English ~~stole~~ borrowed from French, like voilà or déjà vu ... does that count?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman where did you start to learn Quenyai?

@TimmyD no

6:04 PM

:(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

sorry

@TimmyD only if you pronounce them correctly

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Quendi? I don't know Quendi. Did you mean Quenya?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oops

fixed

knowing that é and u sounds don't exist in English

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

6:05 PM

@TimmyD but ćáfé counts

^ needs more accents

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

El'endia Starman

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What does an accent on the c even sound like?!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

idk

@Fatalize Like horse devours

2

6:06 PM

@TimmyD wat

hors d'oeuvres

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Bahahaha. I am now considering intentionally mispronouncing that for the hilarity. :P

@TimmyD ... really

:D

I wouldn't understand it in a real conversation

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

6:07 PM

@Fatalize ćæﬂë?

also, it's œuvres, you heathen

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ u wot

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ćáḟé

@Fatalize I just copy-pasted from Wiki. You don't really expect me to use an ALT code, do you? ;-)

@Fatalize how do you write that oe???

Question to native English speakers: how many % of lyrics of a rap song in English do you understand on average?

@flawr on my bépo keyboard it's alt gr + o, on an azerty it's alt+0156

6:11 PM

@Fatalize Depends on the artist.

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize Probably close to 0 for me. I'm not exactly of average hearing though. (And I don't listen to rap anyway.)

but not always 100% then?

that reassures me

@Fatalize Do you use Bepo?

@flawr at work yes, started about 1.5 month ago

It's not something I'm used to hearing, so I'll miss words because they're unfamiliar.

Just like any other dialect.

6:13 PM

@drobilc It's the C flag in the flag register

But yeah

@Fatalize What else do you use?

@quartata Can you show me on an example please?

@drobilc Sure one second

@quartata thanks

@flawr azerty

6:15 PM

I miss probably the same percentage of words in screamo or other musical genres I'm not as familiar with.

@drobilc Here maybe SO will explain it better than me: stackoverflow.com/q/2688248/4766556

@quartata Oh, i get it now, sorry for bothering you

no it's fine

@quartata It's actually pretty simple :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Fatalize 100/0%

6:18 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ wat

that doesn't even make sense

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

rap doesn't make sense

@Fatalize what the heck=)

@flawr ? That's the standard French layout (which sucks)

AZERTY /əˈzɜːrti/ is a specific layout for the characters of the Latin alphabet on typewriter keys and computer keyboards. The layout takes its name from the first six letters to appear on the first row of alphabetical keys. Like the German QWERTZ layout, it is modelled on the English QWERTY layout. It is used by most French speakers based in Europe, though France and Belgium each have their own national variations on the layout. Luxembourg and Switzerland use the Swiss QWERTZ keyboard. Most of the residents of Quebec, the mainly French-speaking province of Canada, use a QWERTY keyboard that has...

@Fatalize What would you improve?

The swiss german isn't any better=)

6:21 PM

@flawr everything

@Fatalize That's a lot=)

Of all the pictures on that page, why did the onebox choose that one, that's not even AZERTY?

Can A Blind Man Fast Draw Shoot A Target In One Second?

on AZERTY you can't even type É, Ç, Œ, œ, Æ, æ, « and »

@Fatalize Then the frenchies would be better off with a swiss german keyboard=)

6:23 PM

probably

@Fatalize How can you even use it if you can't type quote marks or Ç

@quartata people use " instead and don't put accents on caps

which is retarded

Huh

A lot of people still believe that you shouldn't put accents on capitals, because it was a rule when typewriters were around (cause it didn't typeset properly)

Even though accents have full orthographic value

and with this shit layout that won't change mentalities

Thankfully we have µ and ¤ on AZERTY

always useful

Haha, sure=)

6:26 PM

@Fatalize kek

I just dislike how much I have to use my right thumb in that akward position on my keyboard.

Good gravy. And I though typing in English on QWERTY was bad because it was an unoptimized layout.

At least we have all the letters our language needs.

^ not that difficult tbh :p

ESA CAVES 2014 in 3D

IIRC AZERTY didn't have ù until very recently

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

6:28 PM

qwerty is bae :P

@quartata I can't remember that

I remember reading about it, but I could be wrong

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Butterbae? >.<

and even without the key for ù, you can still compose with ` and u

El'endia Starman

@flawr That was more interesting than I expected. Not by much, but I definitely had low expectations at first when I saw the video was 7 minutes long. :P

6:29 PM

Or which bae?

@TimmyD Unoptimized layout?

El'endia Starman

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ButterFREE!

Tip: look for the "U"

@Bálint i like how U is all by itself on the left part

El'endia Starman

Where is you? (I found it, just making a joke.)

6:30 PM

@Bálint This is one of the more common letters and it was placed WHERE? o_o

Makes sense - the U would be struck with the thumb.

Why it was placed there?

to spam undo

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Eh. U is the 13th most common letter

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 It's not very common, the morse code for it is ..-, and the morse codes are based on the frequency they appear in text

6:32 PM

@quartata ETAOIN SHRDLU

The 2 most common letters are "E" (.) and "T" (-)

U is the 12th letter.

@Bálint phone home

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 That's the way I go trough letter while playing hangman

@Bálint And get caught at U.

Or worse, at R (9 lives).

6:34 PM

The worst thing I could imagine if I were a morse telegrapher, is to send a lot of numbers trough

@Bálint Still better than unary.

You have to send a --- --- --- --- --- - for 5.

For 1234, things get deadly.

1234 * 3 + 1 = 3703

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ? 5 is just .....

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 What TimmyD said.

@TimmyD If it was regular Morse.

Unary Morse would have a dash for each increment and a dot to end the number.

6:38 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I don't know what that means. "Regular Morse."

Who the hell learns morse nowadays

@TimmyD Regular Morse is, well... just Morse.

It's better than the unary Morse variation I provided here.

OK, even in the original American Morse (before the International standard), 5 would have been ---

So, I still don't understand.

@Fatalize We were learning it when I was a scout

stupid question: do they teach scouts to shoot guns in the US?

6:43 PM

@Fatalize I wouldn't know :) I'm not from America

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize I think they would, but I'm not sure, having never been in Boy Scouts.

Also consider that most Scouts would already learn how to shoot guns from their families since Scouts are, I think, predominantly from rural areas.

Some places do.

What El said

stupid question 2: do they teach girl scouts to shoot guns?

@Fatalize Only in Russia

El'endia Starman

@Fatalize My gut reaction to that one is "probably not", interestingly enough.

6:46 PM

I would imagine some troops do, but likely a smaller number than Boy Scouts.

Relevant video:

SHOOT ALL YOUR PROBLEMS AWAY

@drobilc Oo! I'm in Russia ^^'

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Is it cold up there? :)

El'endia Starman

@flawr The title reminds me of how a childhood friend liked to say "Every problem can be solved with high explosives!" Even defusing high explosives.

@drobilc Nope. :)

6:48 PM

@El'endiaStarman Haha, and that is how it is done quite often=)

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Also, a question about language - do you use dual or not?

El'endia Starman

@drobilc Duals are very useful in graph theory. </barely-related-fact>

@drobilc Russian for real life, English for chat.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I meant this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)

@El'endiaStarman I didn't know that

-._(._.)_.-

6:52 PM

LOL. We've got two sister companies here at work, MN (Minnesota) and CA (California). Usernames are first initial / last name -- e.g., Jack Johnson would be jjohnson. But since I already have a MN account, and in order to differentiate it, my username was prefaced with CA ... so I'm cat<lastname>

El'endia Starman

@drobilc In case you didn't pick up on it, I was joking since I'm talking about an entirely different kind of "dual".

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD haha

@TimmyD Meaow

@El'endiaStarman You'll start a duel with your wanton puns

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Given that your last name seems to start with D, there are some...Lenny-esque possibilities for your last name. :P

6:53 PM

catdog?

@El'endiaStarman Oh my

How do you format a link here?

@trichoplax Yuss. Love that show.

It was underappreciated at the time.

@drobilc [link text](url)

@TimmyD Wasn't actually a reference to the show but now that you mention it I do remember it vaguely

(clearly I was one of the ones underappreciating it...)

@TimmyD Thanks, and how do you make a wikipedia box-thingy?

6:55 PM

I actually miss Sheep in the Big City more. If you like puns, look up that show.

naked links onebox where possible

The markup will make it stay as a link instead of a onebox

Dual (grammatical number)

Dual (abbreviated DU) is a grammatical number that some languages use in addition to singular and plural. When a noun or pronoun appears in dual form, it is interpreted as referring to precisely two of the entities (objects or persons) identified by the noun or pronoun. Verbs can also have dual agreement forms in these languages. The dual number existed in Proto-Indo-European. It persisted in many of the ancient Indo-European languages that descended from it such as Ancient Greek, and Sanskrit, which still uses dual forms across nouns, verbs, and adjectives, and Gothic, which used dual forms in...

@trichoplax Yup, it's working, thanks

You can also add hover text to a link:

Apr 9 at 23:33, by Doorknob

[text](http://example.com/ "spoiler text")

@drobilc Also, chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

Grazzie :)

6:59 PM

Did anyone here ever play Quantum Conundrum?

I never did, but thought it looked interesting.

In a parallel universe.

i.e. no

@flawr Have you played Robot Odyssey?

In multiple parallel universes.

El'endia Starman

@flawr Aw shoot, yet another puzzle game I now want... ;_;

@El'endiaStarman I haven't played it yet, but I remember that I heard about it just before it came out.

@El'endiaStarman Did you play portal, and half life 2?

El'endia Starman

7:08 PM

@flawr Portal and Portal 2 are a couple of my favorite games.

I've also played all of Half Life 1.

@flawr haha that's awesome :) and the user sounds familiar, turns out he made the asdf movies too

Tomska, i think that was about the first thing i was subscribed to when discovering youtube=)

@El'endiaStarman You should try half life 2 too=)

Or black mesa

Is portal 2 worth it?

I heard of him only 1 or 2 years ago :p

El'endia Starman

@flawr I have it, actually. On Steam anyway.

@flawr Absolutely.

might have seen some of his clips before that (but not asdf)

7:12 PM

Half-Life 2: Episode 2 is in my top 5 of best video games of all time

weaselinthebarley.com/games (slightly out of date)

How about Tremulous and Chrome?

Martin Buttner's puzzle, Part One

yesterday, 48 minutes total – 145 messages, 13 users, 12 stars

Bookmarked 6 secs ago by zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@MartinEnder ^

Wait, I just realized that I stuck with Martin Buttner XP

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Especially, that it's Martin Buettner, if you don't use an umlaut

Ikr.

But I always forget the silent e in Buettner.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Try to search for a character something like this-> ¨ on your keyboard

7:17 PM

Still, I'm going to use the name "Martin Buttner's puzzle" for this series of conversations.

@Bálint Not a chance.

uu¨

@flawr I've played a bit of Tremulous way back when. Not enough to really form an opinion, and it was likely still pretty rough, as this would've been shortly after I graduated university.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Press the umlaut first, then the u

¨u

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Do you use a phone by any chance?

I have a phone, but I don't use it now.

Aha! <A-0252> should do it.

7:19 PM

Prize if anyone except @MartinEnder knows how to pronounce "zuerst".

uü :D

@gcampbell tsuerst

Sort of

I'm talking about the vowels :)

Wich one?

zuurst

7:20 PM

@TimmyD I used to play this for hours, until it basically died

If ue = ü.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Not in this case ;)

@gcampbell u e

:(

@gcampbell It's simply "U" (like in "put"), and "E" (like in "best")

7:22 PM

@Bálint Yep.

Another challenge: fünfhundertfünfundfünfzig

I was trying to confuse everyone because in "zuerst" the ue isn't an umlaut, it's like "zu-erst"

Well, darn.

@flawr 555

@Bálint the number of the beast - 111

7:23 PM

Rindfleischetikettierungsueberwachungsaufgabenuebertragungsgesetz

apologies @flawr >_>

@gcampbell It's literally just zu + erst, (to + first)

@gcampbell <_<

@Bálint Yep.

@gcampbell Beef rule

Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

7:25 PM

@Bálint Apparently "law delegating beef label monitoring" (bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22762040)

Whenever I use this word on the SE, I always get an ocean of upvotes

So, that's where the puzzle started:

yesterday, by Martin Ender

user image

Let's start it again! What is this? ^

A bunch of random pixels

Link to conversation, for earlier attempts and clues

Mirrored

7:26 PM

@Bálint Very distant, and wrong.

A lightning strike and two grey sheep.

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 You know what it is?

@gcampbell TS for imagination, but wrong.

I don't. It's @MartinEnder who set the puzzle.

@MartinEnder A symmetric diagonally dominant matrix, which therefore is SPD.

it looks like a identicon?

7:27 PM

@drobilc It doesn't.

@gcampbell Why sheep? Goats!

One thing is that each shade of gray is a fraction of 6.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr goat goat goat goat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 50 shades of Grey, since it's symmetric

4

Here are the boards converted to numbers:

6 2 3 3 2 3 4 3 5 4
2 6 1 3 4 1 0 5 1 2
3 1 6 4 1 2 3 2 4 3
3 3 4 6 3 4 3 4 4 5
2 4 1 3 6 3 2 3 3 4
3 1 2 4 3 6 5 2 4 5
4 0 3 3 2 5 6 1 5 4
3 5 2 4 3 2 1 6 2 3
5 1 4 4 3 4 5 2 6 5
4 2 3 5 4 5 4 3 5 6

0 4 3 3 4 3 2 3 1 2
4 0 5 3 2 5 6 1 5 4
3 5 0 2 5 4 3 4 2 3
3 3 2 0 3 2 3 2 2 1
4 2 5 3 0 3 4 3 3 2
3 5 4 2 3 0 1 4 2 1
2 6 3 3 4 1 0 5 1 2
3 1 4 2 3 4 5 0 4 3
1 5 2 2 3 2 1 4 0 1
2 4 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 0

7:30 PM

(if that's really the answer...)

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ goat goat pony goat goat goat goat pony goat goat pony goat pony pony goat goat pony pony PONY!

Program for filtering the boards, by @LeakyNun

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@gcampbell no

goat

@flawr is that actually it?

Depends on the encoding of the values=)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wtaf

nsfwish

@Fatalize ^^ sorta related

7:41 PM

@Fatalize How about 50 shades of deep purple?

Deep Purple - Shades Of Deep Purple - Album (1968)

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But I just disabled all the docs for that matter...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Tiny gaming computer

literally tiny

of course offline mode is not available when you are online

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Finally!

I got the full Python 2 library reference,

in an easy searchable interface-

7:54 PM

Is offline and online mutually exclusive? Remember that sets are not doors.

at my hand.

you know whats in my hand right now?

^ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

mouse. Its the computer's mouse, you dirty minds!

Another thing - rule #1 for the room - don't follow the llama.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:02 PM

actually #1 is follow rule #1

I really hate websites that try to be smart and show a translation based on you IP. And don't give you any option to change the language >:(

I never follow any llama. I didn't even ever see a lama.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mınxomaτ :(

@flawr s/l([^l])/ll\1/

Solution: Start on english, give the option to change the language.

Never try to outsmart users.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

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8:04 PM

Reminds me of one of my favourite twisty puzzles: i.ytimg.com/vi/r5JcEbo4ZYM/maxresdefault.jpg

user image

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

nice

@flawr Where can I get it? :3

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Search for "gear cube" by oskar van deventer

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr he makes cool stuff

@flawr I've got one of those. Super easy to solve, but it gets locked up a bit too easily.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:24 PM

quick question: if I have x and y the top left corner of a square of width n and text of length k what should the x-coor be if I want to center the text in the square? I can't figure it out

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do you know the size of the font?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yes

call it s

And by width I mean width in pixels

Then I think x + (w - s * k) / 2

If not, then do x + (w - 2 * s * k) / 2

And also, this only works, if you use fixed letter size

So every letter is a square

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:/

Fast Ring subscribers: A new Win10 build is available. They added Docker (in stable Hyper-V containers). A nice workaround, since Drawbridge uses the older linux 3.4 kernel (Docker needs 3.8).

8:27 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Isn't it just (n-k)/2?

@FryAmTheEggman w is the width in pixels, k is the length in characters

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no, k is the width pixels

Oh, I thought k was length in pixels

Ohhh

Then it's simple

x + (w - k) / 2

Or alternatively

x + w / 2 - k / 2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Okay, then I'm doing something else wrong

8:30 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What are you doing?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

The project, or the task?

The task mainly

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

trying to center text on a tile in svg

@Geobits one of those newer rounded ones, or one of the first generation?

google.com/…

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Can you make a picture, on what you actually get?

8:31 PM

user image

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Add w / 2 to it

@TimmyD @zʏᴀʙiɴ101 @LeakyNun @Geobits hints: a) The table with zeros on the diagonal was the basis. b) It's not really based on number theory. c) This may be a bit of a red herring but making the table was inspired by a cursory glance at TimmyD's challenge.

Because I think SVG puts the text already centered

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

8:33 PM

So it becomes x + w - k / 2

Is that related with Game of life BTW?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

vaguely

@gcampbell You should have excluded Dennis, too.

Hmm

@MartinEnder I was really hoping the answer was going to be "it's a program in a new language I made..." ;)

@_@

@MartinEnder You spoiled it to me.

8:34 PM

Side note: Anyone knows how a 4*4 rotation matrix looks like with a rotation around the 4 dimensional "W" axis?

@MartinEnder What happened to your last name?

@Rainbolt He got married.

@FryAmTheEggman uh yeah, about that... I'm hoping to have something to show later today. Need to wrap up a few things though.

Heh, today.

23:35 here.

today is until I go to bed

8:35 PM

@MartinEnder it's 22:35 in Deutschland

Don't stay up too late

@MartinEnder Really? \o/ New languages are always fun

@Bálint I'm actually in the Netherlands, but same timezone

@MartinEnder egal :/

There aren't many resources on how to actually rotate a matrix around the W axis

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I don't think Intel knows how file extensions work.

Hungarian file notation

8:42 PM

:O Cheddar installer even works on Centos

@Upgoat :O On a SUSE Studio appliance? :P

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 idk

susestudio.com

@flawr I assume it's the newer one. Looks just like the picture you posted, and I got it from Books-a-Million a couple months ago.

I too did get it a while ago, but mine seems to work quite fine. But perhaps that is just our different perception=)

Obviously not comparable to optimized speed cubing cubes

@AlexA. i.imgur.com/SRUyKks.jpg

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OH MY DOG

8:51 PM

@FryAmTheEggman What's with hungarians?

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Still best dog ever.

Hungarian notation

Hungarian notation is an identifier naming convention in computer programming, in which the name of a variable or function indicates its type or intended use. There are two types of Hungarian notation: Systems Hungarian notation and Apps Hungarian notation. Hungarian notation was designed to be language-independent, and found its first major use with the BCPL programming language. Because BCPL has no data types other than the machine word, nothing in the language itself helps a programmer remember variables' types. Hungarian notation aims to remedy this by providing the programmer with explicit...

@mınxomaτ That's noting. Sometimes people send me images as DSCN10023.JPG.exe

@mınxomaτ Your dog?

@FryAmTheEggman Still, this would be reverse hungarian.

Fair enough :P

8:53 PM

@flawr No, I have a lazy cat. :)

@flawr But look at his eyes

@MartinEnder You should change your name to "Render Tin Man".

But it uses an extra "n".

Main Trender?

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