The Nineteenth Byte

9:00 PM

> Since 1983, when Greece adopted a new marriage law which guaranteed gender equality between the spouses,[35] women in Greece are required to keep their birth names for their whole life.[36]

^ from that wiki article, I think that's an interesting policy

wizzwizz4

@Mego Technically, you can ignore the offensive/illegal part, because in that case it wouldn't be approved.

Anonymous

For example, this guy changed his middle name to "Lazer" while changing his last name to his stepfather's.

Martin Ender

@Mego oh yeah, you can also do that in Germany independently of the marriage (although I think you need a pretty good reason to get it approved). I don't think it's possible to do this as part of getting married though.

Anonymous

To make things more interesting, in Texas, most women will keep their maiden names as a second middle name of sorts, and change their last name to their married name

PhiNotPi

on the opposite end of the spectrum: "Japanese law does not recognize married couples who have different surname as lawful husband and wife"

Anonymous

9:02 PM

@MartinEnder In Texas, you fill out the same name change form as part of filing the marriage license, so there's no reason you couldn't do it differently.

Lynn

(In related news, I’m going to change my legal first name in January-ish, hopefully~)

Anonymous

Cool stuff!

Lynn

@PhiNotPi Yikes

Martin Ender

@Lynn nice :) I hope that works out

PhiNotPi

@Lynn Change it to what?

Anonymous

9:04 PM

Luckily, the bride-taking-the-groom's-name tradition works out well for me and my gf, because my (Irish) last name is short (4 letters) and easy to spell, as opposed to her (German) last name, which is 7 letters and impossible for anybody in the service or media industries to get right, apparently.

aditsu

actually, some Irish names are the worst :p

Anonymous

Irish names can be bad, but German names are the wurst

aditsu

yummy :)

Lynn

@PhiNotPi Lynn

Martin Ender

@Mego Sounds like the opposite situation from our case. (Although for some reason, people in Germany are more likely to get "Büttner" right than "Ender", but internationally, the latter is definitely a lot more convenient. I also think it's the much nicer name in general.)

Lynn

9:07 PM

@MartinEnder Have you received any flak for breaking the stereotype of who-takes-whose-name? (I know plenty of people who would, sadly, get upset about that sort of thing :()

Anonymous

Her (current) last name (which I'm not going to say here for privacy reasons) sounds like a noise you'd make while trying to complain about your mouth being full of marbles

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Anonymous

@Lynn Eww gross emoticon at the end of a parenthetical

aditsu

I'm not sure how nice "Ender" really is, sounds like you're trying to end things all the time :p

Martin Ender

@Lynn I don't think anyone was upset about it (well apart from some parts of my family who would have preferred their name to live on, but they're getting over it ;)). It was definitely noticeable though that my wife got asked a lot whether she would take my name and pretty much no one ever considered the possibility for me.

Lynn

Ahh, yeah, that kind of feeling lives pretty strongly here in Belgium too

(the “but my bloodline!!!” thing)

Martin Ender

9:10 PM

@Lynn ("bloodline" is kinda funny here, because the name Büttner stems from my granddad who isn't my mum's biological father)

Geobits

I leave chat to watch one movie, and Martin gets married and changes his name. See, this is why I don't normally leave.

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Anonymous

My sister was upset when I told her that my gf and I aren't going to have kids. She said "but our family name will die out!" I had to remind her that we have paternal uncles. She's not very bright sometimes.

Geobits

Congrats, by the way :D

Martin Ender

thank you :D

@Mego what about herself...?

aditsu

Saoirse Ronan Tries To Teach Stephen An Irish Accent

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Martin Ender

9:11 PM

(that's a rhetorical question, you don't need to answer that :P)

Anonymous

@MartinEnder She took her husband's name, as per tradition

Martin Ender

ah I see

well...

Geobits

Meh, you can still name the kids whatever you want. I have my mom's maiden name, for example.

Anonymous

My sister is married, I'm getting married, and my mom is trying to figure out what to do with her three cats. Life is good.

Lynn

I have a shitton of paternal uncles, so my last name is pretty much immortal.

PhiNotPi

9:13 PM

Whether or not I take my wife's last name... might depend on whether it's a really cool name or not.

Lynn

(Eleven of them)

Anonymous

I only have 2 paternal uncles, but they were very... prolific...

Geobits

@PhiNotPi If it's NorTau you should definitely take it.

Lynn

@Mego :D

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

~~@MartinBüttner~~ @MartinEnder congratulations!

Anonymous

9:13 PM

So I have a metric fuckton of paternal cousins

Martin Ender

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ thanks :)

Lynn

Wow, I was wondering how many paternal cousins I have, so I opened another tab to Google that question. …It’s getting late.

In my defense, Google probably knows.

Anonymous

Given that they live in rural Kansas, there's a decent chance that some of my cousins might be married >_>

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@Mego same here. I think I have 40 if you count both sides.

Anonymous

I only have 2 cousins on my mother's side. Her two brothers married and had one kid each. Her (half) sister is also married, but she and her husband raise slightly different kids.

aditsu

9:16 PM

many famous people have purely made-up names

Upgoat

Bloggoat: How to juic avoacd

Anonymous

@Upgoat feature-request downstars

Upgoat

@Mego ;_; y u haet avocad

Anonymous

I hate worn-out memes that resemble a flogged, expired equus ferus caballus

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aditsu

it's just resting

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

9:19 PM

I don't hate the avodad meme, but that is the most fantastic way of saying "beating a dead horse" that I have ever heard.

Upgoat

@Mego it was easterly's idea :/

Anonymous

@Upgoat You two are the only ones who keep using that meme. You're beating it long past death.

El'endia Starman

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Definitely.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Oh fun.

Upgoat

@Mego ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ avocad meme is perennial, we will never forget avocad

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

9:20 PM

My dog just shit over the entire basement. Lovely.

Anonymous

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ ew your dog left python all over the basement :P

Anonymous

aditsu

no, php

Anonymous

PHP: Pretty Horrible Poop

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

9:22 PM

@Upgoat ಠ_ಠ

Upgoat

strawpoll.me/10345748

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Where's the "meh" option?

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ oh i forgot to add the i dont care option :|

trichoplax

@aditsu If you think that sounds too final, try thinking something positive like "m.ender" instead.

aditsu

haha, that's cool

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

9:25 PM

@Upgoat I'm in the middle, but slightly in the "why did you write it" side. It's not actively harmful, but it clearly doesn't contribute anything useful.

aditsu

@Upgoat 4. wtf is bloggoat and why should I care?

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ ok :/ I don't want to clutter my blog with shit so ok

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

What's the main focus of your blog?

PhiNotPi

...that moment when I remember that I have a blog too.

Upgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ mostly programming

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

9:27 PM

OK. I haven't really read it yet since most of what I've seen is js related and I don't really know js.

flawr

@Lynn shitton := eleven it is official now.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go clean shit out of the carpet. >:|

flawr

@Lynn Why does everyone stress the parental? Are there any other kind of uncles???

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

s/parental/paternal

aditsu

uncle Sam

Phrancis

9:30 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I can't hide anything from you

flawr

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Oh. So what is a paternal uncle then?

Jeff Teoh

Morning :-)

Upgoat

@JeffTeoh Morning!

trichoplax

@flawr As opposed to maternal - father's siblings rather than mother's siblings

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@flawr Your father's brother.

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trichoplax

9:35 PM

Only because you took the time to golf your answer right down before posting :P

aditsu

there are also uncles you might call non-parental, such as your father's sister's husband

Martin Ender

those technically aren't uncles, I think.

flawr

Thanks for the explanation!

Martin Ender

more like uncle-in-law

Anonymous

This makes me sad:

Anonymous

9:37 PM

aditsu

depends on the culture, I guess

flawr

Better an uncle-in-law than an uncle-out-law.

aditsu

in the Chinese language there are very different words for different kinds of uncles and even elder/younger siblings

Anonymous

I also only need 9 more answers for gold code-golf, but only have a little over half the score requirement

aditsu

you can't really say "he's my uncle" in Chinese without getting a lot more specific

trichoplax

9:39 PM

@MartinEnder I've always heard people say "my aunt and uncle" to refer to a couple regardless of which one they are related to.

Martin Ender

@aditsu in Icelandic there's the opposite situation: uncle/(male) cousin/nephew are all the same word

aditsu

:o

PhiNotPi

that's... actually kinda dumb

Martin Ender

@trichoplax oh yeah sure, that happens in German as well, but that doesn't make unrelated people actual uncles/aunts as far as genealogy terminology goes ;)

mınxomaτ

Important to note that children here in Germany often call complete strangers "uncle" and "aunt". More so when I was younger, but some still do.

Anonymous

9:40 PM

Oh neat I actually won a code golf challenge!

aditsu

in Romanian we use the same word for grandson and nephew (and similarly granddaughter and niece), it's possible to disambiguate them but it's a little clumsy

Martin Ender

@trichoplax just checked though, at least in English "uncle" is officially used for the brother-in-law of a parent as well

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

^that's the way I've always used it. Same for aunt.

Martin Ender

@Geobits I expect you to come up with some decent new anagrams btw ;)

(flawr already posted three or so earlier)

Geobits

Sure, sure. It may not be today though, got some things going on here.

trichoplax

9:44 PM

@MartinEnder In common usage, lots of people use "aunt" and "uncle" for some but not all friends of their parents too, which I found very confusing as a child.

flawr

So why are there no father/mothers in Donald Duck but only uncles/aunts?

Martin Ender

I get the impression that a disproportionate amount of children in children's stories are orphans.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Important question: do you pronounce it as "ont", or "ant"?

trichoplax

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Aren't

Martin Ender

^

Upgoat

9:45 PM

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ ont and ant, like a mix of both

trichoplax

UK is pretty much all aren't or ant

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Aren't? Really? That sounds weird to me.

trichoplax

Although some people in the UK also pronounce "aren't" as "are-ent"

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

UK english sounds so formal compared to US english.

trichoplax

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ I don't pronounce the r in aren't, so it's more like ahnt (for both aren't and aunt)

Martin Ender

9:48 PM

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ probably you pronounce the "r" in "aren't" much more strongly than a British person would (where "r" is often barely pronounced at all and just modifies the vowel preceding it).

ninja'd

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Oh, that makes more sense. I say "aren't" like ahrnt.

flawr

@trichoplax One thing I noticed when I was speaking to americans for the first time: They are afraid of consonants.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Also, spelling pronunciations is hard.

Martin Ender

except for Doorknob

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ spelling "pronunciations" also is.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@flawr what do you mean?

aditsu

9:50 PM

I find the "ant" pronunciation so ridiculous

trichoplax

@flawr I get the impression there are more consonants in US pronunciation than many parts of the UK

Optimizer

Do you pronounce it as ant or deck?

flawr

@trichoplax Well it was just a comparision how I did pronounce some words=) (Having a german/alemannic dialect as native language.)

Optimizer

@MartinEnder what happened to Buttner ?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Marriage

flawr

9:51 PM

@Optimizer Got eaten by a bot.

Apr 19 at 18:45, by New Main Posts

I AM BOT, FEED ME BÜTTNER.

aditsu

it ended

trichoplax

@flawr I imagine that would make you understandable to most parts of the UK, whereas some parts of the UK are not very understandable to each other, having chosen different parts of words to miss out

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

Good evening folks

flawr

I just remember asking a stranger for the shattuck avenue (imaginge as read by a german). He first didn't understand me, until he repeated "oh you mean shattuck" and barely pronounced the tt or ck.

trichoplax

Evening :)

flawr

9:55 PM

@BassdropCumberwubwubwub You should marry too.

In order to get a better last name.

Martin Ender

@flawr certain UK accents omit "t"s inside words entirely

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

I saw that some JS people in this challenge use console.log to print the answer. Do you think my answer is valid the way it is?

trichoplax

@flawr Yeah you'll find glo'al stops in quite a lot of UK accents

Bassdrop Cumberwubwubwub

@flawr I like my last name thanks

Martin Ender

"waterbottle" becomes "wa-er-bo-l"

trichoplax

9:57 PM

ninjad while looking up the spelling of glottal...

flawr

@MartinEnder Right, and I know it, but I was never much aware of my horrible pronunciation as I never really had to talk to people who natively speak english.

Optimizer

so.. no answer to my question?

Martin Ender

@trichoplax it's quite interesting that in the UK "t"s are often either pronounced very clearly or omitted entirely, whereas in US accents they're often pronounces as "d"s (inside words)

aditsu

Rap Song in 11 Different Accents

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Optimizer

ofden

trichoplax

9:59 PM

@flawr It's understandable for someone to have difficulty understanding words that have letters missing, but if you pronounce all of the letters although it might sound different from the local accent it should be perfectly understandable. People usually know full pronunciation from radio and television even if they don't use it for speaking.

Martin Ender

@Optimizer you did get an answer :P

Optimizer

i do not consider that as an answer

and if I recall your standards. you should not as well :P

Martin Ender

?

Optimizer

but then again, you are here partaking in an UK vs US accent debate :P

@MartinEnder your user name question

Martin Ender

8 mins ago, by Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Marriage

Optimizer

10:01 PM

oh. that was real ? So men change their second name after marriage in German culture?

Martin Ender

they can

Optimizer

I see . nice.

Martin Ender

the wife taking the husband's name is more common, but not required.

flawr

@trichoplax Sure, but there is still a lot I just never actively learned when learning english. E.g. I didn't know there was a difference in pronouncing w and v.

Optimizer

but we all miss the "Martin Buttner" that most never type correctly .. :(

flawr

10:02 PM

Yes, please add some umlauts=)

Optimizer

"vowel" has two different sounds in it ?

trichoplax

@flawr People from a few towns away from the village where I grew up wouldn't be able to catch a bus there if they pronounced the name correctly, as the bus driver would only understand the mispronunciation used by the locals.

aditsu

@flawr ümlaüts there you go

trichoplax

@Optimizer Closed as unclear what you're asking

flawr

@aditsu you forgot the ä

@aditsu This is hillarious=)

aditsu

10:08 PM

yeah, he has more

flawr

@Mego Meh, last place in the ranking.

I do not know how I got to that part of youtube. But if you are ever trapped in an IKEA and you need to make a fire, here is how: youtube.com/watch?v=rzXOVbYUamc

aditsu

haha, don't they sell lighters too?

flawr

@aditsu shhhhhh

There are actually some fun comments.

aditsu

ikea car: