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00:05
@Dennis Now that one I just saw yesterday
Oh, well.
Hmm where did it go... D:
00:19
@MartinBüttner Slight hiccup - this is a do-while loop :/
Neither, talking about a different language
Oh, thought you had linked to Martin's last message. Disregard.
@Sp3000 @MartinBüttner Does my 28 byte answer also work in whatever you were talking about?
Yes
Great...
01:10
@Dennis I've always wondered, what is your profile picture? Looks like some type of fractal but I'm not sure.
@TreFox I'm afraid that's pretty much it. I googled fractals and chose one that looked pretty.
I need to set a good profile picture...
Send In Beige Foxtrots
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It's fun to anagram your names
01:44
@Calvin'sHobbies Whose name is an anagram of "Send In Beige Foxtrots"?
@AlexA. You tell me
It's not a name...
Kinda like: No sixteen lb carbon fish dives
I don't understand
@Geobits I can't figure out who Shibbose is
@AlexA. That makes you a six oat beagle
02:00
@Calvin'sHobbies Shibbose is a friend of Calvin.
@Geobits Now I see ;) I think you were good. I just didn't think you'd use the whole name
Yea. You had me miscounting :D
What is happen
@AlexA. PI has the pawn
02:06
Phi, not PI
The best I could do with phi was What pens a Phi? though :(
Please tell me you'll link a tool to generate those animations :)
A Tangible Pixies Photo
02:12
@Calvin'sHobbies Oh, I didn't know they had that there. I used to use them more, but their length limit is a killer sometimes. I've been using wordplays.com/anagrammer more recently.
@AlexA. Phiobits A.
Ewwww....
How about Tender Personality?
I go best
02:28
@Geobits Tender Bits: A dramatic retelling of Geobits' and Calvin's confusing conversation.
@TreFox Did you Google "fractal"? :P
Trying with my username... "I punched to sort"
Well, that's one way to sort I guess.
You could go with Top-notch user ID
Just found that, haha
"the nineteenth byte" doesn't come up with anything longer than "bitten" :(
Too many E's, poor chatroom.
02:41
Aw
Sp3000 doesn't give any good result either :P
At least I'm not 111 or aaa :P
True. You're a proud RAM tester it seems.
Last time I checked I was part of a vacuum cleaner :)
Hmm. Well if you spell out the number you could be Stout Herpes Hand, but I'm guessing that's not much of an incentive.
03:11
Does anybody know how to filter the results of os.walk() in Python to only non-hidden files and folders on Windows? The SO results I've seen work for Unix-based systems but not Windows.
03:55
@Sp3000 I think I'm only supposed to make one guess, but I have another for the graphic one. Want a heads up, maybe you'll agree?
Actually I take that back, I think it's wrong.
04:13
I'll get cracking later - trying to come up with some fun ones :)
I'm still waiting for that image submission which isn't for a image-input language at all
04:51
I feel kind of bad for all of the challenges posted since Martin posted his. I don't think anyone is paying any attention to them.
@Dennis Did you try that code in Objective-C?
Objective-C != C. Your code in C produces two newlines, but I don't think it would even compile in Objective-C.
It does on Ideone.
Gives a runtime error though.
It does compile??
That's nuts. I thought Objective-C required all sorts of other crap.
The newlines can be appreciated in the console.
Mind blown.
Apparently Objective-C isn't quite as annoying as I thought.
It's still a really annoying language.
Never touched it. This CnR makes me learn a lot of things.
People keep posting wild guesses about the language. :P
05:01
People keep copying and pasting existing Hello Worlds, keeping the lowercase w
... is what I've learnt
That too.
Fixed one, will check the other
@Dennis There's no reason to touch Objective-C unless you're doing Mac-specific development. Even then there are better tools.
@Sp3000 It's just a difference in English dialects, dawg. ;)
Wasn't sure if there was a deeper difference than that :P
No, I was just being annoying.
Well, it looks like I'll be up all night trying to crack Dennis.
(I was going to say "searching for Dennis' crack" but I thought better of it)
05:12
Haha.
Which answer?
All the answers
05:48
@Dennis Your program that looks like C, with the extra newline? I tried it with Objective-C earlier today. Did exactly the same thing as with C.
Yup.
That one is kind of... puzzling. But I think some people have much more detective energy. So I'll leave it up to them to figure it out. I tried the obvious derivatives of C.
Well, of course it could also be something completely different. Some people have been getting pretty creative in disguising their entries.
Anyone working on this one? I think it's easier than my other one. :)
06:20
@PeterTaylor I hear an owl outside!
@Sp3000 I can't hear that.
Can't hear the Hoots? I think you might need HELP.
@AlexA. Cool. But I must dash. Hasta luego.
@PeterTaylor Okay, pasta whatever, bye.
@Sp3000 I'm too tired to come up with some kind of witty or intelligent response to this, so I'll just say ಠ_ಠ
06:31
Don't worry, I'm just being silly :P
Silently, In Lower Leipzig, Yelling
^ SILLY
Okay, bye
... yeah I'm too tired to come up with a witty or intelligent response to that :P
06:56
Is there a bounce maze challenge?
XX
Xs      X
        g
         XX
 X
^ Like you have to get from s to g by only going udlr. The X's are walls that stop you.
Surely there is
This is kinda similar
There's a generator...
Ok. Too predictable anyhow
Out of curiosity, how would you have made input/output? :P
07:13
I was thinking "given a maze, output a truthy/falsy value of whether or not it can be solved"
@Calvin'sHobbies This is also somewhat similar: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/50042/…. At least it's a puzzle with things sliding around.
Hmm truthy/falsy sounds doable - 2D language choking over here though for some reason :P
 
2 hours later…
09:44
@Dennis did you forget to edit this? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/54878/8478
 
2 hours later…
12:07
Challenge accepted.
Hi guys, for those who want to waste time when they should be working: I have a new challenge proposal that needs some reviews: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/5733/24877
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

flawrTheoretical Analysis of Pulley System (I think it is gonna be a code golf challenge?) Introduction In rope access and rescue, as well as sometimes in climbing, caving and rock climbing you need to build pulley systems for hauling equipment or rescuing injured people. Here we will look at them ...

@Optimizer what challenge?
@Kslkgh Looks suspiciously like Alex's. Maybe you guys can crack each other? :P
12:33
Hmmm Peter's one is so painfully close to STXTRM/MSM
12:49
... oh I see what Doorknob did there. I swear Snowman didn't have a page before :P
@Sp3000 Wait wut? I didn't create that. O_o
... hang on, the page was only added today :/
I mean, it would be particularly difficult for me to do it considering I was asleep. :P
You guys are slipping. TPLQ is down to 164.372 arbitrary hotness points.
13:04
TinyBF is down, but we've still got a looooong backlog to smash :P
13:16
So many acronyms!
@MartinBüttner Maybe it's because I just woke up, but I don't understand what you mean. Is there something I should have done with that post?
(By the way, this is the second time I don't receive a notification for a ping in chat.)
I'm confused too, looks okay to me
Ah, it's kind of nice when you try to research for a crack and the top results are... other people trying to crack
btw @Kslkgh you haven't updated Nemerle yet
:)
Thanks - but if you copy and paste they'll get cracked pretty quickly ;)
Ah, I thought it was copy and pasted because it looked exactly the same as this and you even called the class Hello
13:32
I've finally gotten to the most interesting part of developing a language!
.. writing the docs.
:) k, nvm about that then
Er... there's a lot of things that work for printf, right?
@Kslkgh I don't think you should delete an answer that has already been cracked.
13:59
@Dennis somehow, the mobile app didn't show the updated version when I checked earlier.
@Kslkgh @MartinBüttner Ah, OK. According to the comment I'm replying to, that didn't just happen to you.
Speaking of potential bugs: This revision history shows two entries that are only three minutes apart. Is that known to happen?
Different users?
Ah no
No clue
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A: Reset question grace period once an answer has been posted

Shog9Jarrod whipped this up this past week, and the behavior should now be live. Edits will be rolled into the previous revision if the previous revision was created by the same author and none of the following conditions are present: The previous revision was created 5 minutes or more in the past A...

52 (+1) cracked, 21 uncracked. Things are getting harder :P
14:18
@Doorknob If I understand this correctly, the comment triggered it then. Thanks.
14:39
@Vioz- Did you add Stuck before or after Martin's challenge started?
@Sp3000 Afterwards.
15:01
Hmm... that might make it invalid indeed, unless there's another language in which it works.
15:36
@Sp3000 Could you crack that 3 byte answer?
I haven't bothered trying that one yet - you?
No, I mean, does your super secret method work for that one?
Nope
So far, I have two ideas how the language might behave.
One would completely break the challenge.
how do I see my historical apps used in facebook ?
15:40
I'm pretty sure one of them is right
Just wish I noticed earlier
What is this zero-byte madness???
:P
I had the same idea once but Martin said it was cheating :P Not like I finished the language anyway
That wasn't supposed to be the headlining feature :P
Next time we'll have to make everyone print Hello, World? or something
15:47
Haha, yeah
Using a variation of "Hello World" for the intended output creates a bit of a problem, yes. The whole "must be a programming language" rule wouldn't even be necessary if we had to print "Guess my language." or something like that.
Dennis, if you were to make a program in CJam that, say, takes input n, and prints the all the primes up to n, what would it look like?
ri),{mp},p for up to and including.
Darn, Stuck is one byte shorter ;P
I heard that a PPCG user invented CJam, who was it?
15:52
aditsu
guilty
As charged or of something else?
Be proud, aditsu :)
You know, comparing on short programs like that isn't very useful :P
15:54
I'm just doing it for fun, to see :P
you can drop the first comma: ri){mp},p
and in the next version you will probably be able to drop the r
Well I mean you should try something a bit harder :)
So there's less length-of-builtin bias
Stuck isn't quite capable yet for a lot of hard stuff, AFAIK
@aditsu Right. That one always gets me.
@aditsu Implicit input? That's great news!
(I wish we could provide context without pinging.)
context
16:00
?
he provided it
Context context = myView.getContext();
wat
what's wrong with the onebox
http?
16:02
it was already http
apparently the trailing slash was the problem
missing context?
@Geobits Oh, what have I done?
:P
(Side note: ConTeXt gets me every time in the Hello World quiz)
you initiated a contextual transfer of bad context jokes
16:04
@Dennis What do you mean? This looks out of context.
@Geobits Let me give you the context.
Better?
I'll take all the context I can get. I'm often accused of writing out of context messages, so any spare would be nice to sprinkle on them.
contextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcontextcon‌​textcontextcontext
high density context
@Dennis If you write a feature request for having two types of mention - one that pings and one that links back to the relevant post - I'd upvote it.
from future import ping
* __future__
let { ping } = require("future");
ping.noPing("Martin")
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Q: Using the chat reply function without pinging

Faheem MithaIf you use the reply function in chat, it currently does two things. It links your message to an earlier message. It pings the person who wrote the message you are linking to. In some cases, it can be useful to decouple these two. Specifically, one might want to link to someone elses message ...

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I made some updates on my proposal, so if anyon has time to read it id be happy=) meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/5733/24877
16:12
ain't nobody got time for that.
oh, how could I forget about Tim's song?
@Dennis Excellent - upvoted
I've added an answer and a bounty.
@PeterTaylor this sort of got lost in the windows vm conversation yesterday: would you mind explaining why you think that the tougher version of the double-or-permute challenge would allow more approaches for golfing?
haha, I wonder what the author of that question is thinking with all the sudden attention on the question :D
16:25
@MartinBüttner Lots of ways to represent the backlink information.
@Doorknob ⧅_⧄
right, but my thinking was that if I just asked for the length, all of those approaches might still be valid (plus length() at the end), but you also get approaches that don't keep track of the sequences.
then again, you might be right if you're saying no one will keep track of the sequences any more
They'd be valid, but I doubt they'd be anywhere near competitive.
right, I'll leave the question as is
so I just need a reference implementation now...
@Dennis as much I'd like to see this happen (and your bounty not going to waste)... haha,
You're probably right. But what are you going to do with Meta rep if you don't spend it on bounties?
16:34
what do you mean "do"? everybody knows rep is for hoarding and boasting
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But that's meta rep.
meta boasting :)
Of course.
16:46
Stupid challenge! I can't take my attention off of it to do something useful! :P
I know the feeling.
Easy for me to avoid it, I can't figure out any of the solutions :P
I've spent a lot more time trying to come up with cop answers.
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true dat; I just posted a new one :p
@aditsu wait what ?? You mean to say that I cannot get SE Swag three times now ?
16:53
huh?
And it lasted longer than a minute! \o/ Jimmy must be napping...
We can spend meta rep on swag? Where's the store? I've got a few k saved up...
@Dennis hahaha
@Dennis Me too. It took me a few hours just to golf that Glypho one, and then another couple experimenting with disguises. Cracked in 40 minutes.
@aditsu I think I have it :D
16:55
oh well, 5 min :p
Clever to add the separation and whatnot though!
I was hoping to make it look like a golfing language :p
It did! But, and this may sound weird, I recognized it almost right away :P
I've seen the Malbolge Hello World enough to remember some of it ;)
16:58
>_O
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

swstepheBad Lip Reading Generator A malapropism is the substitution of one word for another that sounds similar, often as a way to make something sound unintentionally humorous. For example, "A rolling stone gathers no moths" is a malapropism, since the expected word, "moss", got replaced by "moths", w...

oh crap, it looks quite similar to the wikipedia example, I failed to notice that
I could have posted a version that looks very different
17:20
I found this really obscure, really interesting language that I'd like to try out
The problem is, the interpreter is a command line, and I accidentally pressed enter without typing anything, so now it closes with an error as soon as I open it
>:(
A bad input permanently hosed the interpreter? Have you tried deleting/reinstalling?
Yeah, re-unzipping, anyway
(don't get me wrong, I'd probably not bother with the reinstalling step anyway if it did it to me)
It says "Error at position 0,0: Empty path name is not legal." for the 0.1 seconds the window is open
Can you run it with some (fake or otherwise) path added? If nothing else, the error may change giving a better idea what it's looking for.
17:28
How could I do that if the window closes immediately?
I guess it should be possible to run from the universal command line, but I don't know how...
If you're running from a shortcut, you can add it to the target if you right-click->properties, or whatever they're calling it now.
Or command line, like you said. Just have to know where it is and what it's called.
I'll try using a shortcut, then
OK
@PeterTaylor would you mind having another look at the number permutation thing? I think it should be ready for a final review now (although I probably won't post it today)
of course, anyone else feel free to have a look and give me feedback as well :)
and as always, I'm taking suggestions for a catchy title
> Any number not appearing on these tables should yield an empty list.
Does that mean it doesn't need to work for n>1000?
17:33
:D
fixed
* coz fixing once is not enough
@Geobits What specific text would I need to add to the target? Sorry for all the questions, I've never really used the command line before.
Or similar features.
What is the target now? I don't even know what language/interpreter you're using, so it's hard to say.
"C:\Users\My Ibm\Documents\Coding\xxx\xxx.exe"
xxx replaces the name of the language, as I'd not like to reveal it right now.
17:47
damn, there are plenty of interesting languages, few have interpreters, and few of those have usable interpreters
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Try something like "C:\Users\My Ibm\Documents\Coding\xxx\xxx.exe test.txt" (create test.txt in that folder if it (very likely) complains that it doesn't exist)
It won't let me set the target to that, complaining that the file "xxx.exe test.txt" does not exist.
Should I just use the command line instead?
I would ;)
Also, I'd never run anything called xxx.exe outside a ridiculously-well-sandboxed environment :P
It's not actually called that ;)
I was hoping to use this language in the Programming Language Quiz, so I'd rather not say what it's really called.
I know, but that kinda ruins the joke, now doesn't it? :P
17:52
Oh, sorry. LOL
So all I have to do is find a really buggy interpreter on esolangs to crack it? Piece of cake!
Well, it didn't seem to do anything, but it didn't error out, so that's good...
@aditsu I'm starting to agree with you :P
Perhaps I'll just wing it and say it works.
Or perhaps I could just forget it altogether and FIND SOMETHING USEFUL TO DO!!! :P
Blasphemy

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