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12:23 AM
@MartinBüttner The submissions list is still useful, but I think that it could use an update.
 
@vzn Sounds like our kinda thing.
 
 
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vzn
4:13 AM
@ASCIIThenANSI =D glad you like it. could be cool & will be very interested to read the bkg on the winning solution. ... have you guys heard of kaggle? also lots of potential there. maybe a way to tie-in with this site somehow.
 
 
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8:11 AM
@ASCIIThenANSI Well is it useful? Are you actually using it to find challenges you couldn't find by checking the first page when sorting answers by active?
 
8:39 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies 30^3-3?
 
8:50 AM
@Optimizer you need to roll in range 1..4
 
oh, so 1, 2, 3 and 4 ?
 
updated
 
hmm, ><> can generate rnd(4) without much trickery ;)
 
how long/fast ?
 
9:00 AM
> Shortly before the company changed its name to Cimpress, it came for criticism here for running a $10K Contest To Solve A Problem Worth Millions. It the company trying again to get developers to solve its problems on the cheap.
 
@Optimizer long and slow, it's just that possible
x == Random direction is the only source of randomness
 
 
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10:10 AM
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randomraLast Nonzero Digits of a Factorial code-golf factorial base-conversion You should write a program or function which given three positive integers n b k as input outputs or returns the last k digits before the trailing zeros in the base b representation of n!. Example n=7 b=5 k=4 n!=5040 5040 ...

 
@randomra apart from the addition of a general base, I feel like that's a duplicate
hmm, can't find it though
 
10:29 AM
Just went to esolangs.org and pressed random
 
@MartinBüttner I haven't found one. Not even with the last digit in base 10 (which is oeis.org/A008904).
@trichoplax well for me it seems quite underspecified
 
I just like the idea of seeing it running live
 
you could do a physical machine
 
10:59 AM
@Sp3000 did you find any other particularly interesting sequences for EOEIS? I might try Fission later today.
 
11:22 AM
GCD function in a variant of the language I'm writing: ||-||--||--^[||-||--||--||--^||-||--||--||--^<[||-||--||--v||-||--]||-||--||--||--^||-||--||--|‌​|--^-||-||--||--||--||-->||-||--||--^]||-||--||-->
 
looks nice :)
 
with larger alphabets: .[^%$^]$~ or 1g[2g%2g3d2g]2d
I planned to write something with the alphabet |l1I
but the instructions for |-^v[]<> are completely logical
 
we have another Seig in making
 
also "Digits digging the deepest dungeon" is in my pipeline
@Optimizer have a link?
 
Seig is a user
 
11:32 AM
but you refer to his language, right?
 
no
 
then elaborate please
 
he keeps updating about his language here quiet often :)
 
I see
 
@Optimizer are you sure about that? ;)
 
11:34 AM
@MartinBüttner y not ?
 
because his name is Sieg ;)
 
s/Seig/Sieg
 
should I post the factorial challenge or wait for some duplicate-experts?
 
I'll do a quick search of main and the sandbox
 
@randomra The duplicate expert is away for a week.
 
11:39 AM
Peter?
 
Parker?
Pan ?
 
Tinker?
Soldier?
Spy?
 
is there a Peter before that ?
 
My initial conclusion: There are a lot of factorial questions
 
that should not have required a search for it first :P
 
11:41 AM
;)
 
27 is:question factorial, 4 tagged as factorial
 
@randomra What do you find underspecified?
 
I assumed that was referring to the esolang Pada
 
it was
 
yeah I know
I think that article is quite solid
gotta head out for now though
 
11:46 AM
Ah I see - completely misunderstood your question at first :)
 
ok, I think I get it now, does w and * pop?
so every 0 in the example is an individual stack
 
I'm fairly sure the zeroes at the bottom are just single bits
 
seems like a real challenge to write program in this (or prove TC)
 
You can drop a 0 or a 1 to set them
 
then what is this:
v - Push the bit onto its bit stack
^ - Pop the bit from its bit stack
 
11:50 AM
That I do not know
 
* - jump: read a signed byte like w and jump in that direction
I think it should be not just direction but length too
the 128 byte "loops" might be too short to prove TC (might not)
 
Can a finite machine be Turing Complete?
I usually interpret "Turing Complete" in practical situations as "Turing Complete given sufficient time and memory"
 
I'm pretty sure a finite machine cannot be Turing complete.
I think they would be considered "Finite state machines" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite-state_machine
A normal computer only has a finite number of states, because there's only a finite number of combinations of 1s and 0s that could be in its memory.
@trichoplax pinging just in case?
 
12:20 PM
I might write an interpreter for Pada if it works the way I think
 
@PhiNotPi Yes that was my thinking - for a language to be considered TC, it means it would be if run on a computer without limited memory
 
@trichoplax no, but in my model the 0's are stacks (with 1 element in it at start)
 
If the language has its own limits then it isn't TC.
@randomra I've had another read and I still can't understand which way is intended from the spec - your way sounds interesting though so if it turns out it isn't what the author intended, all you need to do is think up a new name :)
I'm off out now. Good luck!
 
12:54 PM
@MartinBüttner I have some in mind if you want one
Depends if you mean the sequence itself is interesting or the sequence is interesting to code up
 
the related questions turned out to be a better dupe-search than us:
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/694/last-non-zero-digit-of-n
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/733/calculate-the-last-digits-of-grahams-number
 
1:49 PM
Nevermind, I'm dumb
it's me anyway
 
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randomraRace of the Digits code-golf simulation You should write a program or function which given a starting order of one-digit positive integers and the length of the track as input outputs or returns the finish order of the numbers. The input [5,1,2,6,7] and 14 defines the following race: --------...

 
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Q: Will I be able to do my PhD?

user3237995I do not know if I am intelligent enough, but I am ready to give 100% effort to this. Even if I am not intelligent, Will this 100% effort give me a PhD??

That gave me a laugh
 
2:13 PM
@Rainbolt why?
 
@randomra Someone asking Stack Exchange if they are intelligent enough is comical to me.
 
(s)he hasn't asked that
 
It's implied
 
(s)he asks is it implied basically
 
3:02 PM
I've got a 31 bytes cjam solution for ASCII polygon area. Anyone up for helping in reducing 2 more bytes ? :P
nvm
 
3:36 PM
hey, our graduated badge icons should be golf balls :D
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Graduation? What's that?
 
Who knows!
 
started to write Pada interpreter but esolangs is down :(
 
3:53 PM
made a cjam code, which when translated to pyth, is 2 bytes longer -_- (not counting additional bytes due CJAM only features)
 
4:06 PM
Can someone explain why this is a bad answer?
 
I don't know enough ruby to know if it's well golfed, but it seems fine to me. Tested and works, so I don't know. Sometimes the drive-bys are just mysteries.
Could be that it's just bare code, with no explanation or intro. Seems pretty minor (esp from a new user, and on a simple golf), but it's the only thing I see "wrong" with it.
 
What percentage of esolangs users are PPCG users?
 
Dunno. I'm not registered there, though. Is there a benefit to registering beside making/editing posts?
 
4:25 PM
@PhiNotPi By 'users' do you mean 'accounts'?
 
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ASCIIThenANSIInvent a programming language that does crazy things Note: This type of challenge is up for discussion. I am making this community wiki, so you can help me out. Man, have you seen some of the crazy programming languages out there? We've got Pyth, CJam, GolfScript, and we even have one calle...

 
Are you guys familiar with Smoke Detector school?
 
@Compass I'm not, but I can't speak for everyone else c;
 
Blagh
 
Why do you ask?
 
4:34 PM

Smoke Detector School

Where Smoke Detectors learn
It's taking a lot of input from code golf, which is probably not a great way to teach it how to notice gibberish.
 
Does python have a builtin function for base conversion?
 
"[ SmokeDetector | GibberishClassifierBeta ] Potential gibberish answer (98.6899729565%): Make a scalable Christmas Tree on codegolf.stackexchange.com" No, that's not gibberish, that's a tree.
 
in Smoke Detector School, 9 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | GibberishClassifierBeta ] Potential gibberish answer (77.6642528463%): Death By Shock Probe: That's a lot of dice on codegolf.stackexchange.com
^ At first glance, it does sound like gibberish...
 
its a good proof of concept, but I don't think Code Golf should be part of the data samples at all.
Seeing as most golfed code reads as gibberish.
LOL everyone joining that room
Welp, whatever. Back to normal programming.
 
@Compass 'Normal'?
 
4:40 PM
yes Normal
 
Who knows python in here?
 
@TheNumberOne I know a little bit
 
I know slightly less (I think).
 
@TheNumberOne Some, I guess. Why?
 
Does anyone know enough to answer my earlier question?
 
4:42 PM
If I did, I'd have answered it ;)
 
@TheNumberOne Which one? (Sorry, I got here late)
 
6 mins ago, by TheNumberOne
Does python have a builtin function for base conversion?
 
@TheNumberOne Some, yes, like hex() for decmial to base-16.
 
Where the base is in range [2,10]
 
@TheNumberOne Not sure. I'll have to go check.
 
4:46 PM
@PhiNotPi I think you would be interested in this.
 
@TheNumberOne I haven't found one
 
@Sp3000 I'll probably look for some physics-y ones ;)
 
@TheNumberOne stackoverflow.com/questions/2267362/convert-integer-to-a-string-in-a-given-numer‌​ic-base-in-python
 
@TheNumberOne From what base to what base?
 
4:47 PM
@ASCIIThenANSI :/ thanks anyways.
 
@MartinBüttner Ahaha okay, I'm just going to have some fun over here then
Is it a problem if I post interesting sequences without a care for score?
 
this works, but you need the other direction I guess:
>>> int('100',5)
25
 
@Sp3000 binary to [2,10]
 
@TheNumberOne A binary number to any base from 2-10?
 
2 to 10, yes. Otherwise no (except 2 to 2, obviously).
 
4:48 PM
exactly
 
(not as far as I know anyway)
 
@Sp3000 As long as you show some effort in actually golfing the submission, I think it's fine.
 
@ASCIIThenANSI Try [text](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2267362/convert-integer-to-a-string-i‌​n-a-g%E2%80%8C%E2%80%8Biven-numeric-base-in-python)
 
This link might help.
Strange, I thought I did that...
 
Hmm okay
 
4:50 PM
@ASCIIThenANSI You forgot http://
 
@TheNumberOne Oh.
 
@Optimizer I have a feeling it's gonna be this.
 
For the favicon maybe, but that wouldn't make much sense for badges.
 
@MartinBüttner yeah this ^. I was talking about badges
 
oh, badges
yes, I'm up for that
 
4:58 PM
but
1 hour ago, by Sp3000
Graduation? What's that?
 
You didn't hear? It's set for August 12th :D
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@Geobits It is?!
 
every. single. time.
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@Geobits COME ON!
 
Hey guys, bit random, but I need a problem some nerds can help me with ;)
Anyone know where I can find a sound file for the alien signal in Contact?
I want to use it as my ringtone
 
5:04 PM
Wat
 
@BetaDecay I'm afraid I can't help you there.
 
@ASCIIThenANSI Ahh haha thanks anyway
 
You can probably isolate the sound and make it a ringtone by hand.
 
Mm I was thinking of doing that
 
5:07 PM
Goldwave is shareware audio editor that allows you to do 5000 actions before it asks you to pay.
You can definitely make an MP3 in about 100 actions at most.
 
@Sp3000 oeis.org/A018226 but I don't wanna start a new tree just for this :(
 
I wish someone could start a 2 tree tbh, there's a lot I'd like to see
 
hm, if you say so ;)
 
But what about that sequence?
 
Area 51 lied to us.
> Sites remain in beta for at least 90 days to build up a critical mass of users, questions, and participation.
 
5:10 PM
(You've already started a 4-tree though, I thought you couldn't start another one?)
 
> 1533 days in beta
 
StackEgg is the only official way to establish a full site.
Gotta get 4 stars in every category.
 
@Sp3000 oh crap
 
@Compass ┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ノ︵ ┻━┻ ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
 
but... it's the perfect sequence for Fission ;_;
 
5:11 PM
... ah
 
but it doesn't really agree with further predicted magic numbers (except for 184)
 
Ah... surely there's others?
 
there's also oeis.org/A018227 but it also starts with 2 -.-
there's also this "guess" but it's a bit off: oeis.org/A033547
 
@ASCIIThenANSI 1533 days is "at least 90 days". The math checks out :P
 
@Geobits They moved it up to May 23rd!
 
5:15 PM
@MartinBüttner I've already taken that "guess" :P
 
Is this Mathematica solution computes the full factorial? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/49483/7311
and runs quickly on the large cases?
 
@Sp3000 :/
well then it wouldn't be fun to do a sequence like that again anyway
 
:( sorry
 
@randomra I thought factorial in Mathematica was just ! ? I don't know about the speed, but the rest is just the base/trimming part AFAICT.
 
@Sp3000 is your avatar animated
if not, it's really trippy because it looks animated to me
 
5:18 PM
Nope, how come?
 
I think I'm going blind or something.
Either that, or it's got such high color density that my eyes can't tell very well.
 
Probably that
 
@Optimizer And Batman will reveal his secret identity as he cuts the ribbon on Stack Exchange's new unicorn farm!
 
@Sp3000 wtf I even upvoted it. why did I not remember this?
 
Too many sequences? :P
tbh I don't think there's too much of a problem doing a similar sequence
In a new language at least, anyway
 
5:33 PM
@MartinBüttner Is this sub O(n^2) even though it has n! in it? Mod[#!/#2^IntegerExponent[#!,#2],#2^#3]~IntegerString~#2&
or am I wrong that O(n^2) would be more than 1 min for 359221
 
@MartinBüttner A bit harder, but oeis.org/A179301
 
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user23013Pointer to pointers to pointers to pointers You should choose a language supporting pointers like C. And your task is simple: demonstrate a legitimate use of the most level of pointers. Other rules: They must be pointers to pointers directly, i.e. a pointer to an object containing a pointer d...

 
@Sp3000 Do you already have a root node?
 
Yeah, 1 from pancake
 
@randomra I don't know how it's actually evaluated, but it solves all test cases in the matter of a second.
@Sp3000 Oh okay.
is anyone else in here still actively contributing to EOEIS?
 
5:37 PM
:/ I want more root nodes just for more interesting sequences
I have 8, 144 in wait :P
 
@MartinBüttner I see, thanks.
 
@MartinBüttner I could probably contribute a second answer...
Why?
 
We need a new root starting with 2 ;)
 
that 1 minute rule should have been 1 second :/
 
You'd think someone would have done primes by now :P
 
5:43 PM
oh, yeah...
found another mistake in OEIS. not in the sequence though, just in its visualisation in the comments
 
I found a lot of mistakes in OEIS today, which made me sad because I couldn't use the sequence
 
Can someone get me a link?
 
to what?
 
the challenge
 
oeis.org/A139330 Someone added 0 to the start of A000001 "number of finite groups of order n" in Mar 2015, amongst other changes :(
 
5:50 PM
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Q: Evolution of OEIS

PhiNotPiIn this challenge, the goal is to recreate the On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences one sequence at a time. Similar to the Evolution of Hello World, each answer depends on a previous answer. Over time, this challenge will create a "family tree" of the OEIS sequences. It is simple to add o...

 
There's your answer.
 
Nice :)
In the meantime, I've found an amazing sequence that doesn't start with 2, but I'm not sure I can be bothered to implement it in Fission. Trying with Mathematica for now.
(this actually looks sufficiently fun to post as a separate code golf)
 
so.. supposedly, in CJam, factorial calculation is faster than base conversion ..
 
6:25 PM
Is there anyone in here who hasn't created a root yet?
(if you honestly want to be technical, a second root node will not appear on the answer list or count towards your score, but will appear on the diagram)
 
@PhiNotPi Me.
I've been hacking Ingress all day long.
Got cold, but I got rid of 'em toads.
 
6:46 PM
@Optimizer No thanks. Actual golfing has literally nothing to do with what we do here. I don't think the association should be misrepresented further.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies oh please, code-golf, PPCG. I don't think that association (or not) is important anymore.
golfing has become a verb here
moreover, its not about association with a different game, its about redefining the meaning of a word
 
phew
 
Right, but it's not the same as "golfing" the sport. Golf balls never appear here. I just think we could choose something more appropriate (and applicable, as code-golf is only one type of question).
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I think we should focus on the 'programming puzzles' part, as 'code golf' is A) a subset of programming puzzles and b) the only reason it's there is because that's the biggest part of our site.
 
If it's not about association with the game, why would we use icons specific to that game?
 
6:49 PM
it always feels strange to have "golfed" code which is >900 bytes... :(
 
Puzzle pieces are out of the question, because of Puzzling.SE
 
@ASCIIThenANSI Much like the Board and Card Games and Magic: The Gathering stack.
 
I thought about that for a while and decided that they should not be separate sites.
Board and Card Games would essentially die without the MTG questions
And MTG is a card game. Makes sense where it is.
 
Oh, I agree. I just think it's funny that we have code golf explicitly in our title, whereas they don't use MTG in theirs. Both are a subset of the actual content, though large ones.
I wasn't around when it formed, but I assume it's just because the original idea started to kick golf off of SO. Puzzles were added to broaden the focus, but somehow golf got left in the name.
 
7:23 PM
Then we should also stop associating golf holes and golf flags with our sites. Such as the top voted answer for the PPCG favicon
 
I think that our name is fine. Stack Overflow handles tons of programming problems, not just stack overflows.
 
That might be more historical than anything else
 
@Rainbolt was that a reply to me ?
 
codegolf sounds fine
The issue is what the badge should look like, no?
 
@Optimizer No
 
7:37 PM
ok
 
Why not make it look like a keyboard key?
 
...
 
@Rainbolt did you ever try for a UX position in any company ?
 
7:41 PM
I do UX! <_<
as part of my work anyways
 
@Optimizer No
 
right choice!
 
@Optimizer Rude
 
Lol
 
@Rainbolt those two images are ruder! :P
 
7:42 PM
I honestly think if the goal is to avoid golf balls as icons
then a keyboard key would be the best representation
Using pennants is arguably more golfy than a golf ball.
... Maybe a golf cart?
Hooray we win golf kart medals!
 
till now, the best option I've heard for the badges is a golf ball!
 
how about
A GOLF TEE
 
@Optimizer It bugs me that you don't use a space before '!' but you do use a space before '?'
 
oops
does the , bug you too ?
 
Not if it's consistent
I'd prefer you be consistently wrong than inconsistently right
 
7:48 PM
but all my '!' are consistent otherwise.
see the ruder above
or right choice
 
Apr 1 at 4:45, by Optimizer
wow, we are still ahead !
 
that. one. time.
 
in Discussion for Evolution of "Hello World", Oct 28 '14 at 5:05, by Optimizer
Wow, there was no HTML answer till now !
 
and. that.
 
And the worst offender of them all: two different styles in the same message!
Apr 26 at 20:13, by Optimizer
wow, 5 of the starred messages are mine ! woot!
 
7:54 PM
oh, sorry for that one :P
 
I can't search for punctuation for some reason, but I can search for "wow" and find lots of exclamation marks
 
wow!
 
wows = world of warships
 
Wolf of Wall Street, Weak Opiate Withdrawal Scale
 
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flawrKing of the Sausage This is just a rough idea that I think would be fun, but as I do not have the time to do it right now, feel free to adopt (just let us know in order to avoid collisions.) I believe I saw this 'game' in a tv show once: Two competitors are each given a sausage of equal weight....

 
8:07 PM
ummmm ^
meh, esolangs is still down..
 
Speaking of phallic objects
I started a single player Minecraft a few weeks ago, and decided to make my home a giant redwood tree. I add two rooms at the base on either side and rounded the tops so they would seem natural.
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like a golf stick and gold badges ?
 
Yes that is exactly the analogy I was looking for
Yes yes keep going
You are on a roll
 
8:28 PM
Do I need to remind you again, that we have a 14 year old mod who's more mature than you?
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at least we are in here
 
Ooooooohhhh buuuuuurn!!!!!
 
... wat did I walk into
 
into Rainbolt and Optimizer getting chat-banned.
@Optimizer which makes this comment really ironic.
 
8:59 PM
Fission is a one difficult language.
 
Idea: Could the sandbox directory possibly be replaced with a Stack Snippet?
 
@MartinBüttner still true!
 
Wait a minute. I've never used them, but why not use a Stack Snippet that shows all the posts edited within the last 2 weeks or so, and (again, have not used them) sorts them by tag in the header? — ASCIIThenANSI 21 hours ago
 
@MartinBüttner also, you don't get to say that after banning us yourself!
 
except I didn't.
(although next time I will)
 
9:02 PM
@Doorknob I don't see why not
 
there is not really anything offensive in describing a shape.
 
@Doorknob In essence, yes it could, but if no one's really using the list, why go through the effort of writing the snippet.
 
Whomever flagged those three messages really needs to look up the definition of "offensive"
 
and whoever marked it valid
 
Or turn off their Internet, if slightly dirty Minecraft jokes bother them so much
 
9:06 PM
in future, Martin will also need to look it up.
 
@Rainbolt I don't know if chat auto detects certain blacklisted words
and I'm not surprised if people in other chatrooms hit the valid button when they see that
 
@MartinBüttner it detected mine c l i d < too ?
 
I deleted that one after the others were deleted by people marking the flags valid
 
The chat certainly doesn't auto-detect and flag those terms. Dick is actually a nickname for Richard.
Inb4 I get chatbanned for a nickname.
 
anyway, this isn't a matter of whether people find stuff like that offensive but of whether this is Stack Exchange or 4chan.
 
9:10 PM
no its not. 4chan is completely different from SE and this is a fine line thing we are talking about.
in fact, some chat rooms are way closer to 4chan as compared to others (cough cough maid cafe)
 
Regardless, "appropriate for 4chan" is not a criteria for determining whether a chat message is offensive.
 
so there is not really a straight line comparison b/w SE and 4chan where each one sit on each ends
 
@Rainbolt it doesn't need to be offensive to be inappropriate.
 
I don't know what you are getting at
Do I need to take a screenshot of the flag button?
 
you are asserting that people found your message offensive
 
9:13 PM
Uh, yes I am. Because the button literally says "flag as spam/offensive"
 
I still don't see what you are getting at
 
@MartinBüttner where does it link to ?
 
It links to the message that someone flagged as spam/offensive
 
the inappropriate content
 
9:15 PM
oh
I thought the guidelines/rules defining an inappropriate content
 
9:32 PM
 
@TheNumberOne Is that what you see after you click on the "flag as spam/offensive" button?
Or did you get there another way? I'm using the down arrow to the left of the message
 
Using the flag to the right of the message. The message is flagged after you click "OK"
It also shows a similar message on mouse over.
The keyword here is "inappropriate"
 
Ah, I see. I didn't realize there were multiple ways to flag a message
It seems odd to have a flag on the left menu and a flag on the message itself
The keyword here is "odd"
 
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