@Rusher "How to answer all challenges is site level, not challenge level." It may be "site level" in that it is applicable site-wide, but does not make it about the site, because it is still about golfing in general. The content in a tips post would still make sense if it was completely detached from codegolf.SE. Hence, I can't see how such posts can be remotely "about the site".
While we're talking about @Doorknob's metapost though... It makes me sad that this is still not reopened :-/ ... that's how we lose new users, not by banning code trolling. Would someone with enough rep be so kind to jump in with the 5th reopen vote?
@m.buettner Did you completely ignore the "but it appears to be lost in a tangled web of lawyery phrases by others." and the "let's agree to disagree"?
And the "this part has been beaten to death in chat already"?
@Rusher That's why I didn't put in a comment but here. I still don't get how you're trying to beat the "it's about golfing" into "it's about the site and hence IMO it belongs on meta". I don't even see where there is any room for interpretation in this. Never mind though... I'm moving on to agree to disagree now as well.
Meta isn't a place for discussion anymore. It's a stomping ground for users who have been here the longest and inactive moderators. Their view is THE view.
if I have the view that I'd like to post programming jokes on SO... do you think I should insist on my opinion that that's a good thing and take it to meta there and discuss it?
How about this. You restate all of your arguments, as straightforwardly as possible. Enumerate them in a list, as briefly as possible, right now, and we will tell you exactly what's wrong with them. With facts, not opinion.
Even if I agreed with you that we should expand meta to take the tips there, we wouldn't be changing anything. It's pointless, because their are policies what goes on meta and what doesn't - network wide.
@Rusher I am saying that you're being difficult on purpose.
I already told you that it's analogous to the Wikipedia: namespace on Wikipedia. That is, in Wikipedia's instance, it's a place to discuss things about Wikipedia's workings and policies.
@Rusher you wanted to have "workings and policies of the site" defined. There is no room for interpretation there that could possibly include tips about golfing.
@ChrisJester-Young I'm saying that you entered into this discussion with "You are being harsh and a conspiracy theorist." What kind of mod fans flames like that? And why am I being considered difficult when the people holding the opposing views are denying that my own even exists?
You're starting an uprising against all the world's government with a stick, @Rusher, and you're demanding that all people in China should move to Syria.
I understand that you were probably serious about the harsh comment I made to Geobits, and probably trying to be funny with the conspiracy theorist comment. But then you tried to actually argue with me, and then backed off and said "I don't really follow discussions in chat."
@Rusher I'm not trying to argue with you about anything other than that the meaning of "meta" in Stack Exchange is well-defined and not subject to alternative interpretations.
But tips are just content right? And in this case they are content that could appear - without modification - anywhere else on the web. So how can they be about the site if there is nothing specific about them that relates them to PPCG other than that they happened to be posted here?
Oh I think I'm starting to get where you were going...
I'm trying really hard to, but I still don't really know where our opinions diverge to draw so drastically different conclusions.
Did I understand you correctly with "Challenges are a part of the site, tips are about challenges, so tips are about a part of the site, and hence should go on meta?"?
Let's say I created a clone of CGSE called ckygolf. Tips posted here apply equally to challenges on ckygolf. However, tags used here do not apply the same way as tags would in ckygolf; each site would have their own policies about how tags are used and applied.
The tips will fit to anything golfing related, even if my friend just sends me a challenge over skype. The tips apply, but this has nothing to do with any tags.
If the site scores different, tips may not apply. If they have different challenges, tags might not apply.
If you change something specifically about your hypothetical site such that tags don't fit but tips do, well that's just because you created the hypothetical
A tag is a tool to organize content. A tip is a tool for overcoming content. They seem to be on an equal level to me, but not to you. Can we just agree to disagree?
I'm really trying to understand why tips are about PPCG.SE in your opinion. I just can't get there. tips are about golfing. the site is about golfing. maybe there's a book about golfing. but that does not mean that one of them is about the other, because golfing exists independently of all of them.
isn't best practice programming tips what SO is all about?
All I am saying is that if they were forced into existence and not nuked, I do have an argument for putting them on meta based on 1) Rep going to the authors of a boilerplate question and 2) their existence in my abstract world being one level higher than challenges themselves
okay but your second argument still relies on the basis that challenges should be the only thing on the site, and I think that's where we disagree. because I think the fact that we have the challenges here at all is the exception from other SE sites. the other SE sites would only have "questions about golfing".
The problem is, nobody has actually provided any kind of logical reason for their existence on main other than the wordplay argument that I admit is ambiguous (even if nobody else will)
if there was (is?) golf.SE.com (like, the sport)... there would only be posts about golfing. people wouldn't golf there. there wouldn't even be an argument if questions about golfing should go on meta or main. but in our case, there is the rare exception where the activitiy the site is about can also be performed on the SE site. it just happens to be the case that (currently) the activity dominates the questions about it.
@m.buettner I would be down with the site being "questions about golfing", but then the site wouldn't serve its main purpose, which is to draw golfing challenges away from SO. :-)
@Rusher yes okay we can argue on the basis that we don't want list-type questions at all. If we want them anyway I still think there is no support for putting them on meta, because they are not about the site. They are still about the subject matter of the site and hence belong on the site - just their format may be inappropriate.
@Rusher we could make an exception based on looking at the reason for why lists are not wanted. It's usually "because they are like to create debate and subjective answers", which is not the case for tips here, I'd argue.
that's fine. that's definitely a valid opinion. ;)
Yes. If everyone posted their solutions as questions, we'd have a huge problem. How do you determine duplicateness if every question is "Here, look at my code and help me golf it."
Furthermore, was that question closed and then reopened after the very speech on meta by Doorknob that I am contesting?
No it was reopened because I might a case for it in the chat.
This site is about golfing. The question is about golfing. It belongs on the site.
That's what I'm saying... this is the only kind of question all the other SE sites have. We happen to also have the challenges themselves. I don't see why that would invalidate questions about golfing.
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I thought, Python must be shorter than Java. Here is the "proof":
from Tkinter import*
I=IntVar
t=Tk()
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@Rusher You are very good at posting meta posts that nobody (basically) likes. :/
@Rusher I am a high-rep user. I often disagree with your posts.
The nice thing about meta is no one gets offended when their post is downvoted
because it is meta*
*except, some people may.
We are supposed to understand that the way meta works is that an upvote means an agreement and a downvote means a disagreement.
But it doesn't always feel that way. I wish we could reward people for posting good meta answers, even if the majority of the community disagrees with the post (hence my recent post on meta.stackexchange (chat post link: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/15404653#15404653))
I'm not offended at all by the downvotes. I love the way the system works. I am offended when a high rep user sways crowd opinion by saying that my view doesn't exist.
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@Doorknob Would you allow a question about aliasing function in Python if it were in the spirit of improving my golfing ability, or would it be off-topic?
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An old boss of mine was always going on about how we had to use our own products internally i.e. "Eat our own dog food..."
Many years later I found embedded in some source that a temporary coworker had done, every function he touched is tagged with:
/* NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION */
Voting to close the ungolfing question... Other: This question is asking the impossible. It combines elements of NLP far ahead of the state of the art with an undecidable problem.
@Doorknob That. Also, the point of CW for tips was to avoid giving rep for tips, since people should be getting rep by answering golfing challenges. But, if there's new consensus on this, I will of course abide by it.
Python 3 2, 454 434 433 431 428 421 bytes
I thought, Python must be shorter than Java. Here is the "proof":
from Tkinter import*
I=IntVar
t=Tk()
exec'a=I();b=I();c=I();l=Label(t,text="SELECT ANY TWO");A`"FAST"|a);B`"CHEAP"|b);C`"GOOD"|c);l^A^B^C^'.replace('`','=Checkbutton(t,text=').replace('...
How to create an object of Class A and then calling its getValue() function?
Note:- Compiler should not give any warnings and it should be type safe object.
class B<T> { }
class C<T> { }
class I<T extends B , C> { }
class A <T extends I> {
public T getValue(T x) {
return x;
}
...
An old boss of mine was always going on about how we had to use our own products internally i.e. "Eat our own dog food..."
Many years later I found embedded in some source that a temporary coworker had done, every function he touched is tagged with:
/* NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION */
source
I think this is a good fit for this site. I was not satisfied with the other answers
