Room for Crazy Ninja and Damkerng T.

Crazy Ninja

06:44

hi

i thought it's not good to talk my stuff in a general chatroom

it's too personal; i think that's against the chatroom policies

Damkerng T.

Understood!

Crazy Ninja

@DamkerngT. isn't that so?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... it depends.

There's nobody else in the room right now anyway.

Crazy Ninja

ok..

so, what should i start with ?

designation or salary ?

first let me tell you about the situation

Damkerng T.

in English Language Learners, 2 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

Then I think she would understand if you said something like I'm sorry about my English. My English could be too direct at times. I hope you will understand.

Crazy Ninja

06:47

Before i join this current workplace, i worked in another workplace for about 10 months

Damkerng T.

Or I'm sorry that my English is very limited. ...

Crazy Ninja

So, i saw that a advertise for (Associate Software Engineer)

56 secs ago, by Crazy Ninja

first let me tell you about the situation

Damkerng T.

Then you can express your problems right away.

I'm listening.

Crazy Ninja

are you listening ?

great

so, i applied to this workplace and i got selected

so, when i join here, my initial designation was 'Software Developer'

software Developer < Associate Software Engineer

but i didn't bother to ask about this from the HR at that moment

Damkerng T.

Uh-huh

Crazy Ninja

06:49

i thought when i get confirmed they might change my designation into 'ASE' (associate software engineer)

My probation period was 9 months

now it has almost 10 months

i received my confirmation letter through the post last week

Damkerng T.

@CrazyNinja Did you ask anyone about the change?

Crazy Ninja

it says, i got confirmed in my workplace as a 'Software Developer'

Damkerng T.

I mean 10 months ago, whether they would promote you to ASE automatically.

Crazy Ninja

yes. i asked from few colleagues here, and they said to talk with HR or PM

Damkerng T.

And did you talk to anyone in HR or the PM?

Crazy Ninja

06:51

no. That's what i'm going to do today

!!!

Damkerng T.

I see. Hmm...

Crazy Ninja

and the other thing is

i'm getting only about 300 USD as my monthly salary

which is damn lower one compared to others working here

:(

Damkerng T.

I guess it's not easy to negotiate that.

Crazy Ninja

what do you mean?

it's not good to talk about the salary ?

with the PM ?

Damkerng T.

Not that. I think you should. But I don't know that chance that you will get raised immediately is very high.

@CrazyNinja Yes.

Okay, I think I'd recommend you to discuss this with the PM straightforwardly.

And hope that she will understand your situation and all misunderstanding.

Crazy Ninja

06:55

yes. so that is my situation

Damkerng T.

And listen to anything she may recommend.

Crazy Ninja

by the way; in order to make my conversation a good one, what would i talk with her?

Damkerng T.

Just tell her like you were telling me.

Crazy Ninja

how should i start off my conversation ??? VERY IMPORTANT ONE!

(i'll go her room, and sits on the chair. afterthat?)

Damkerng T.

You can being with something like, I believe that there must be a big misunderstanding about my salary and my designation (job title). I could have wrongly assumed since the beginning, but I hope you can help me out.

Crazy Ninja

06:58

wow! so professional ^_^

Damkerng T.

And then you can tell her about things that happened 10 months ago.

What you read in the ad, what your assumptions was, etc.

Crazy Ninja

yes. worth to memorize those two sentences !

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

You can being with something like, I believe that there must be a big misunderstanding about my salary and my designation (job title). I could have wrongly assumed since the beginning, but I hope you can help me out.

Damkerng T.

It's still not very perfect. But it should work.

Crazy Ninja

yeah mn.. definetely it sounds like it's gonna work !!!

plus

Damkerng T.

Don't worry too much about the language. I think your ability to communicate is just fine.

Crazy Ninja

07:01

but i'm now afraid if i something has went wrong

that will be a black mark on me

Damkerng T.

Like what?

Hmm... for that kind of tactic, I think people at Workplace SE would know more tricks than me.

Crazy Ninja

if they said 'If you are not satisfied with your position there are many places you can look fo'

for

in case; if i got a reply like that, how should i handle this ?

Damkerng T.

That's possible. So you should know your answer first. What if she told you that? How would you answer?

Crazy Ninja

i mean in language wise ?

Damkerng T.

Language comes later. What do you really think?

Crazy Ninja

07:03

I'm don't have words to say... in such a scenario

totally lost

Damkerng T.

That's why I think it's not easy to negotiate.

Crazy Ninja

if you were in a situation like this; how would you handle it ?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I think I would do what I usually do. I would read the situation first.

I mean, I would check how bad I really need this job.

Is it acceptable if the negotiation turned out badly? How much loss can I accept?

Then I would check out a bit about the PM, assuming that the PM is the right person to talk to.

I think you would do the same if the PM and you spoke the same language.

Typically, in a conversation, we always read the other, and judge from the response to see how far we could take the matter with the other.

When we're unsure how much the other is willing to help, we usually "test the waters", right?

..., but I hope you can help me out. is a kind of such a "test the waters" question.

She can say no at once. Or she can tell you right away that she might not be able to help but she's willing to try to help. Or she can tell you that she can help and will help.

So, it depends.

Does that make sense?

Crazy Ninja

yes

so, your (which i'm going to say) first sentence, have a big impact on the PM's impressions

to my meeting with her

Damkerng T.

I hope so. Telling her that there is a misunderstanding implies that it's no one's fault. Not yours. Not the company.

And of course, not hers.

Crazy Ninja

07:15

great bro

thanks million times for this help!

Damkerng T.

I can help only a bit.

I think you'll need to improvise during the conversion with her.

Crazy Ninja

i have asked this even in workplace

Damkerng T.

Though I hope for the best.

Crazy Ninja

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Q: Is it ethical to discuss regarding received confirmation letter?

Today I received my confirmation letter in my workplace as a Software Developer after completing my probation. I applied to the advertisement which was looking for an Associate Software Engineer.(Software Developer < Associate Software Engineer) And I got recruited.This is my current workplace....

Damkerng T.

@CrazyNinja Oh! I guess you must've got a few good tips there.

Crazy Ninja

07:17

unfortunately only one guy has replied :(

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