ELL's Cabin

Ravan

01:52

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. hello

sorry, I flagged it before,

Jasper

02:25

@sky-light In America, it is more common for someone else (such as a parent or coach) to say, "You should be proud of yourself."

Magsi

07:22

Hi , Good morning to all of you.
Have a nice !

Look, we have to improve ourselves.

What's "look"in the sentence?
Noun.
Verb.
Adverb.
Adjective?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi The problem is that it's not from the sentence you think it is.

It's a separate sentence itself.

And "look" is a verb.

Magsi

Hallo , Skylight.
You use "myself" to emphasize a first person singular subject. In more formal English, myself is sometimes used instead of `me' as the object of a verb or preposition, for emphasis.
I myself enjoy cinema, poetry, eating out and long walks...
I'm fond of cake myself...
He was roughly the same age as myself.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi Skylight?

Magsi

You use "myself "to emphasize a first person singular subject. In more formal English, myself is sometimes used instead of `me' as the object of a verb or preposition, for emphasis.
I myself enjoy cinema, poetry, eating out and long walks...
I'm fond of cake myself...
He was roughly the same age as myself.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

OK, so?

They're right, but not complete.

Magsi

07:32

@Ϻ.Λ. look is a verb in my sentence?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi "Look" is not part of the sentence "we have to improve ourselves".

It's the only word of another sentence.

Read on imperatives @Magsi.

Magsi

Okay, sir , thanks to you.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi "thanks to you" is odd. Instead, just say "thanks!" or "thank you!"

Magsi

07:55

Well , Mar is a good person.

What's "well"here?

Sir, what about these?

Thank you very much.
Thanks a bunch.
Thanks a million.
Thanks a trillion.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi All are good.

Magsi

Sir , Mar.
I think "well"is adverb.
Isn't it?

Crazy Ninja

Morning Everyone!

Magsi

Sir , what is Ravan trying to say?
Check the previous comments.

Hallo , Good morning .
Ninja.

Crazy Ninja

08:11

@Magsi You could use @ <<type the name>> to ping for a specific person in the chatroom

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi It is.

But it's interesting. I need to look into this/

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi BTW; I don't think you should say "Sir" whenever you want to talk to someone. Unless someone explicitly ask it for

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. isn't it? ^

Magsi

@CrazyNinja I am sorry to say, if someone teaches us just a single word, we call him "Sir".
Because it is commonly used in our country Pakistan.

@Ϻ.Λ. All correct. However what is new today?

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi If you wish. But everyone is here to learn. I'm afraid whether that does sounds like I'm not agreeing with you :)

Magsi

It's okay, but I will try my best to address you people by your genuine names.

Crazy Ninja

08:16

@DamkerngT. @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. How is your holiday reason goes on?

Damkerng T.

As plain as it could be, I suppose.

Magsi

@CrazyNinja where are you from?

Damkerng T.

Good afternoon, everyone!

Crazy Ninja

@DamkerngT. Two more days have left for you to decorate it

@Magsi Sri Lanka

Magsi

@DamkerngT.sir good afternoon too.

@CrazyNinja what do you do?

Crazy Ninja

08:19

@Magsi I'm in the office

Damkerng T.

Ah, Christmas isn't really my holiday, but the vibe is good.

Magsi

What kind of work is being done by you in the office?

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi trying to do some part of my training project. puff. Java Swing

Magsi

Oh , that's a good job.
Keep it up.

Please can anyone tell me about Ravan's previous messages?
Does he need any help?

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi It's not that much great

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

08:25

@CrazyNinja Yeah.

Hey @Dam

Damkerng T.

Yes?

Magsi

@CrazyNinja don't you feel easy there?

@DamkerngT. Does Ravan need any help?

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi It would be fantastic unless you know what you are doing.

@Magsi who is Ravan?

Damkerng T.

Ravan said, "I would like to know the reason."

Magsi

@CrazyNinja , I am a student of 2nd year means 12th class.
I don't do anything but study.
I want to qualify CSS.
I am also preparing for "Central superior service".
It is very competitive exam in our country, I am sure you may be a bit knowledge regarding that.

@DamkerngT. What kind of reason?

Damkerng T.

08:31

It was about flagging. Follow the link to Ravan's meta post for more info.

Magsi

@CrazyNinja read the previous messages, hope those will help you to remove your confusion.

Crazy Ninja

@Magsi But I don't see him in chatroom

Magsi

@CrazyNinja life is very strange.
I am worried about my future.
What will happen next ?
God knows better.
Life is full of problems.

@CrazyNinja leave him or her.
I also don't have any kind of idea concerning him or her
I thought he might be saying regarding help.

Magsi

09:10

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀwhat is meant by "Polyglot?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi Different languages.

@Magsi BTW don't forget to use spaces. That didn't ping me.

Magsi

Can we discuss grammar there?
May I be supported there?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

No, that chatroom is about meta discussion.

Magsi

Means , I shall not be helped there for Grammar?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

You can try, but that's not what that room is meant to be.

It's like moving to a room full of mathematicians and ask about physics.

The room's topic doesn't match.

Magsi

09:15

What is "meta discussion"?

Hmmm , okay.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Magsi Discussion on the policies of the sites.

Magsi

Thanks a bunch.
It's hard to use such vocabulary.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

You'll get used to it.

Magsi

Hmmm , I will remember uncountable words for English, and will be used here.
If I make any sort of mistake , do correct me.

StackExchange

16:07

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Q: Is it a bad luck when an English learner (when they are learning) does not feel supported by native speaker?

I often have experience when questioning things related to my English learning process. I will post here as a conversation between a native speaker (NS) and non-native speaker (Non-NS): Non-NS: What is the meaning of the expression across the pond? Is it really a situation when someone in the ...

Damkerng T.

16:35

Hi! @Freddy

Magsi

16:58

As five years old he played gili danda near a pond in the ancient state of Dharma Behir.

Hallo , punctuate the sentence.

Damkerng T.

There's no need to add anything.

Wait, I misread As five years old as After five years.

I think the sentence is probably ungrammatical.

Magsi

Sir, correct it where necessary.

Damkerng T.

What do you think?

Magsi

I think the sentence is grammatically correct.

Damkerng T.

Where did you find it?

Magsi

17:05

You know better than me because you are senior to me.
Well, I didn't find it somewhere, actually one of my Facebook friends asked me to punctuate the sentence.
That is why in my opinion, he must have read this sentence in his book, he is from India.

Damkerng T.

It does sound like something an Indian could write, because of that As.

Is "gili danda" a name?

Magsi

According to your knowledge how to correct the sentence?
No , it is a game which is played in India.
It is usually played by stick.

Damkerng T.

Generally, there would be several ways to fix a sentence. This one is no exception.

Before we're going to fix the sentence, keep in mind that the meaning comes first.

For example, I wasn't able to assign any meaning to gili danda because I dind't know what it was.

Magsi

This sentence is also bewildering me.

Damkerng T.

Now, knowing that it's a game, I can give you one way (just one of many possible ways) to fix it.

> When he was five he used to play gili danda near a pond in the ancient state of Dharma Behir.

But it's only a guess.

See how I added the missing part which could change the meaning of the sentence to the sentence?

Magsi

17:15

Hmmm , okay cute sir.
Hold on .
I am going to confirm.

@DamkerngT. Sir , actually my friend wants this sentence to be punctuated.

Damkerng T.

How can I punctuate an ungrammatical sentence?

But I guess that he wanted you to add a comma between old and he.

Magsi

You mean to say, the sentence is ungrammatical?

Damkerng T.

I think so. It's not the English I know.

Anonymous

@Magsi At five years old

Magsi

Oh , okay.
Sir , just wait.

Anonymous

17:26

If they were five years old at the time.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat A nice fix!

Anonymous

I have had breakfast! :-)

2

Anonymous

And I'm proud of it.

Anonymous

Om, nom, nom.

Magsi

Sir , it is a game .
It is called "Tip cat"in English.

At the age of five/five years he played tipcat ,near a pond in the ancient state of dumrao Bihar.
Is it well punctuated now?
Check this one.

Damkerng T.

17:38

It's an unnecessary one. Note that a space comes after a comma, not before, in English.

Magsi

Now , punctuate it in a better way.
Let me try first.

At five years old, he used to play Gili danda, near a pond in the ancient state of Dumrao Bihar.

Damkerng T.

The second comma isn't really necessary.

Magsi

Which one ?

Before word "near"?

Damkerng T.

Yes

Magsi

18:15

@DamkerngT. Sir.
How to make this sentence complex?

After seeing the king he departed.

What about this?
After he saw the king, he departed.

Damkerng T.

Was it an exercise from your textbook?

Magsi

No ,

I saw this sentence on Facebook, I am trying to make its complex sentence.

Damkerng T.

Why would you want to make it a complex sentence? What do you mean by complex?

Magsi

18:33

A complex sentence is a sentence that combines one independent clause with at least one dependent clause.

Damkerng T.

18:53

Sounds good enough for the definition part, but why do you want to make it a complex sentence? and can't the definition help you?

Anonymous

Were those instructions on Facebook? "Take this sentence and make it into a complex sentence."

Damkerng T.

Maybe it's a tutorial or something.

Magsi

Sir , these are sentences in Grammar.
Synthesis of sentences.
Simple sentences.
Complex sentences.
Compound sentences.

These are usually used in English Grammar.

Damkerng T.

It's useful in general, but it's only about the syntax, and I think you already know much enough about it.

Magsi

When he saw the king,he departed.
What about this?
No, Sir.
I don't know about these things.
These are confusing sentences.

Damkerng T.

19:08

The concept of the three kinds of sentences is almost nothing if you know what a clause, dependent and independent, is.

Magsi

@snailboat On Facebook groups.
Different people ask different questions.
I try to clear their confusions.

@DamkerngT. I searched it on Google but couldn't get it.
Teach me these things in a better way please lovely sir.

Damkerng T.

I'm pretty sure you can find it almost everywhere. And the concept of clause is so fundamental that any book wouldn't miss it.

Because information on the web can be unreliable, I recommend reading about clauses in your grammar textbook.

And chances are, you already know it.

Ask yourself, what is a clause?

Magsi

Okay, sir.
I asked myself, and my mind replied that A clause is a group of words that has both a subject and a verb.

Damkerng T.

Almost correct.

But it's clear that in a clause, there should be a subject and a verb, right?

Magsi

Sir , I have different books.
Those are reliable, and certified.

Such as, [Wren&Martin's book].
Oxford Books.
I will read these important details carefully there.

Yeah, sir.
You are soundly correct. However these are very complex for me. When I open this topic in my books , I feel laziness, and immediately I close my books.

Damkerng T.

19:21

Wren & Martin's should be okay, though it's a little bit too old, and some terms they used are somewhat outdated.

Check out chapter 1, 2, and 3 in W&M.

Magsi

Sir, it is very interesting book.
J like reading it.
I have acquired much more things from that book.
Nowadays, Oxford books are being read.
Those are also important books.

Oops, I made a mistake.
"I"instead of "J".

Damkerng T.

That's all right! I understand. I make lots of typos myself, all the time. :D

Magsi

Sir, Please clear my concept.

When he saw the king, he departed.
After he saw the king, he departed.

Which one is suitable?

Damkerng T.

Both are grammatical; the difference is in meaning.

"He departed after he saw the King." -- When did he depart?

"He departed when he saw the King." -- When did he depart?

Magsi

19:41

Do they have different meaning?

Damkerng T.

Yes!

Magsi

You have mentioned the same meaning,sir.

Damkerng T.

Read the last two of my questions. You would realize the difference by yourself. :D

Magsi

Confusion.

0_o

Damkerng T.

Okay. Let's take the questions one by one.

"He departed after he saw the King." -- When did he depart?

Magsi

19:45

I don't know when he did.

Damkerng T.

Isn't it "after he saw the King"?

Magsi

Yes, it is.

Damkerng T.

Good! Let's try again.

"He departed after he saw the King." -- When did he depart?

Magsi

I don't know about the time when he departed.

Damkerng T.

I didn't force you to tell me a specific time, right? I just asked, "When did he depart?" So you answer...

(please type your answer :-)

Magsi

19:49

I am not getting you.
I am sorry.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... maybe you've never learned it this way before.

Let's change our places. You ask me instead, and I will answer.

Tell me the sentence, and ask me "When did he depart?"

Magsi

departed after he saw the King." -- When did he depart
?

Damkerng T.

He departed after he saw the King!!

Magsi

He*

When did he depart?

Damkerng T.

He departed after he saw the King!

That's when.

Do you get it?

Magsi

19:52

He departed when he saw the king.

When did he depart?

Damkerng T.

I answered you already.

Magsi

Khekhekhe , okay.
I got it now.

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Magsi

Sir, where is Mar?

Damkerng T.

Not sure. He'll be here when he's here. :-)

Okay, let's try again. It may feel a bit stupid, but learning to speak a second language doesn't take much. :-)

"He departed after he saw the king." -- When did he depart?

Magsi

19:55

He departed when he saw the king.

Damkerng T.

after -- This one is "after".

Magsi

After*

Damkerng T.

Yes!

"He departed when he saw the king." -- When did he depart?

Magsi

It's typo.

Hw departed when he saw the king.

Damkerng T.

Yes!

See the difference?

"He departed after he saw the king." -- Did he depart before he saw the King?

Magsi

19:57

Thanks a bunch, yes.
I got it.

No, he departed after that he saw the king.

Damkerng T.

Correct!

"He departed after he saw the king." -- Did he depart when he saw the King?

Magsi

He departed before he saw the king.

Damkerng T.

Huh? Did he depart before or when or after he saw the King?

Magsi

Sorry , "When".

Damkerng T.

Okay. Let's try again...

"He departed after he saw the king." -- Did he depart when he saw the King?

Magsi

20:02

No , he departed after that he saw the king.
Means he went away after a few minutes he saw the king.

Damkerng T.

Yes!

Magsi

Yummy.

Damkerng T.

He didn't depart before he saw the King. He didn't depart when he saw he King. But he departed after he saw the King!

Magsi

He he he! Very interesting lines.
You are genius, sir.
My mind isn't working in cold.

Damkerng T.

I know it's your first time. But I think you can see now that English isn't that hard! :D

Magsi

20:07

It's very easy to understand.

Sir , don't have you any account of Facebook or WhatsApp etc?

Damkerng T.

I'm sorry. I don't use Facebook or Whatsapp.

Magsi

What can be the reason behind it?

Damkerng T.

Well, maybe it's because I was born before Facebook. :-)

Magsi

He he he ! But it is easy to create an account right now.

Damkerng T.

I know, but there is no real reason for me to use it.

Magsi

20:11

Hmmm , that's okay.
We can get much more things from Facebook.
It has been my own experience.

Damkerng T.

nods -- But who knows? Maybe one day I will have a Facebook account, just to follow Obama. :P

(It was big news, recently, when Obama joined Facebook: edition.cnn.com/2015/11/09/politics/barack-obama-joins-facebook)

Magsi

Oh , it means you are really a hidden agent of Obama.
Hmmm , I see.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Magsi

Sir, you will cheat on the people.

Damkerng T.

Oh! How so?

Magsi

20:15

As you have recently been a hidden agent of Obama.

Damkerng T.

Duly noted, I didn't say that. :D

Magsi

But , you are agent.
That's as clear as day.

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Magsi

Khekhekhe!

Sir , What's your religion?

Damkerng T.

It's Buddhism.

Magsi

20:17

Oh! Means , you are Hindu.

Damkerng T.

Hah! I didn't say that either!

Magsi

Then ?

You are nothing else but robot.

Damkerng T.

Haha! You can say that about me on ELL. :-)

Magsi

That is why I am calling you so.

Improve my punctuation skills, Sir.

Damkerng T.

Let's call it a day, today, okay?

Magsi

20:23

What ?

Damkerng T.

Don't worry too much about the punctuation. You seem to know how to use periods (aka full stops) appropriately.

@Magsi What what? Um... do you know the idiom "Let's call it a day"?

Magsi

I know how to use full stop but sometimes I get confused.

Damkerng T.

Sentence. Sentence. Sentence.

That's pretty much all about it.

Magsi

to stop the work you are doing.
It means.

Damkerng T.

If you're confused, I think it's probably not about the punctuation, but because you don't know where the sentence should end.

Magsi

20:26

Hmmm, okay.
Sir, if you are getting bored.
You can wind up the class just now.

Damkerng T.

I didn't get bored, but I can get tired.

See, my time and energy are limited, like everyone else.

Magsi

You may go now, sir.
We will meet next day.

Damkerng T.

Happy learning!

And don't worry too much about punctuation. ;-)

Magsi

Thanks for helping me.
Okay, sir.
It's not a big deal.
I will manage myself.

Damkerng T.

You're welcome!

Magsi

20:31

May you live long!
Stay blessed!
Good Night.
Horrible dreams!

Damkerng T.

LOL

Thanks!

Magsi

Lol !

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