ELL's Cabin

Anonymous

11:01 PM

Anonymous

The chapter version lines up everything but the suffixes.

Anonymous

Plus, it looks nice if I zoom in :-)

Anonymous

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe I didn't notice it at first because I had no idea what I'm looking at.

Anonymous

Yeah, sorry, I had to take the time to make the images to illustrate what I meant.

jimsug

11:04 PM

Yeah, they're called.... interlinear glosses?

Anonymous

Yeah!

Anonymous

See also: eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/glossing-rules.php

jimsug

But they're meant to align each gloss to the start of each word as per that second image.

Anonymous

Rule #1.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat This does look like it was done with TeX.

Anonymous

11:05 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yay!

jimsug

Yeah.

It's just that the second person actually knew what they were doing.

But that looks like Computer Modern to me.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat This one's font is the default font for TeX, so it could be TeX. If it is, though, that means the code is uglier than mine.

Anonymous

Well, Shibatani is an esteemed linguist, but I think the paper benefited from whatever process it went through when it was published as a chapter.

jimsug

I suspect they did some tabular trickery for the 2nd

Actually, there's a package for glosses.

(Because of course there is)

Anonymous

It'd be nice if Stack Exchange had support for glosses.

Anonymous

11:08 PM

We have several sites where it'd be useful.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@jimsug You can never know what trickery is involved if trickery is involved.

It's so versatile.

Anonymous

But tables are unsupported by design.

jimsug

@snailboat Yeah, I've had to resort to using code blocks to align glosses. Ugh.

Anonymous

@jimsug That didn't work on Japanese.SE for years because the fonts didn't line up.

Anonymous

It seemed like spaces and Latin letters were pulled from one font, Japanese from another.

Anonymous

11:09 PM

We've got a hack in now to change the font on code blocks. (On Stack Exchange, all <pre> blocks created with Markdown are also <code> blocks.)

StoneyB

@jimsug I've mostly given up on Markdown. I do tables in Word and snip them off the screen and put in the image.

Anonymous

@StoneyB That's definitely more flexible!

Anonymous

I don't have Word.

Anonymous

But I know it can do stuff.

jimsug

And things.

Anonymous

11:10 PM

Stuff and things. The whole package.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB You should totally drop word and use query, I ,mean erm, LaTeX.

StoneyB

Or whatever you use for WP. Or a spreadsheet.

Anonymous

When I was young, I used LyX.

Anonymous

Excuse me, younger.

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Life's too short. I went from WordStar to WordPerfect to Word; enough is enough.

tchrist

11:12 PM

@snailboat When I was young, I used runoff.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB You have no idea how many times I've observed Word bowing down to the superiority of LaTeX. I don't either.

But it's a positive integer, I can assure you.

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I gave a not-so-great answer about quotes the other day on Japanese.SE, and it resulted in some confusion:

Anonymous

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Q: How can I produce Japanese quotation marks?

How can I produce the sort of Japanese quotation marks shown on this book page? I tried ″英語″ but in documents on my computer (Microsoft Word, plain text) it comes out looking like this screenshot: where 1) both marks are in the same direction rather than pointing in toward each other and catt...

punctuation

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Thank you Windows. System restore successfully managed to waste an hour of my time.

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Fersher. But fact is, 99.5% of my effort goes into getting the actual words right; I'd just as soon turn ASCII files over to a Real Typographer.

Anonymous

11:14 PM

When they copied and pasted into Word, they got this:

Anonymous

But it was supposed to look like 「〝札幌市民学園〟に対するぼくの構想」……

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@snailboat I've learned making any contact with SE editor and Word directly is fatal.

Anonymous

The double minutes ended up weird and asymmetrical.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Word inserts some invisible chars you can't work with in SE's editor.

SE's editor does bad things when you type certain chars in it.

Anonymous

11:16 PM

I tend to write everything in Vim.

Anonymous

It's just habit. I've got so much muscle memory tied up in it I don't feel like learning anything else, generally speaking.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That's style! Thumbs up

Anonymous

I don't mean to suggest that anyone else should do what I do. Although there are certainly other people that do. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Q: "Is honey better than sugar, and if it is what the reason" - CORRECT?

I would like to know if this sentence is clear, correct and sounds as native speaker sentence (I'm putting the doubtful words- on bold) "Is honey better than sugar, and if it is what the reason"

sentence-structure

Can someone go and edit that thing's title?

StoneyB

Not worth the effort -- it's proofreading and will get closed anyway.

Anonymous

11:20 PM

I've said this a couple times already in the last 24 hours, but...

Anonymous

Sometimes a question can't have a specific title because the question itself isn't specific.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I didn't read the question.

Anonymous

In that case, the question itself needs to be improved.

StoneyB

That's about as specific as you can possibly get -- specifically, off-topic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I just saw it in the feeds.

Anonymous

11:21 PM

(Or closed. Dealt with in some manner.)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB We have?

Anonymous

A user by many names.

Anonymous

And more recently, many numbers.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Could you guys stop being so mystical?

StoneyB

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Quite recently, if my suspicion is correct, your name.

Anonymous

11:25 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Just a moment, I haven't finished putting on my Grand Conjurer's robes.

Anonymous

And now the hat―perfect!

StoneyB

(A rakish tilt to the left, perhaps?)

Anonymous

Oh, good eye!

StoneyB

I did costume design, too, a little!

Anonymous

I was on stage crew in school, but I didn't end up doing much besides painting and curtains.

Anonymous

11:29 PM

I'm not very theatrical.

Anonymous

I'm good at wearing funny hats, though.

StoneyB

Christmas is your season, then, on SE.

tchrist

Anonymous

Wow!

tchrist

Betcha didn't know we kept the negatives.

StoneyB

11:31 PM

It gives a new meaning to Folies.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@tchrist That calls for some chemistry.

Yippee! Back to square one, after realizing the problem persists in Safe Mode and it must be something with the core of the windows itself.

Anonymous

Just waiting to be made into hats!

tchrist

Indeed.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:35 PM

@snailboat Looks like a fossil of transformers.

StoneyB

Hmm ... how do you post images in Chat

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@StoneyB upload. You have to have no other chars in the message.

Or just copy the link of the image here.

Shtoopid autocorrect

Oh well, my speed is gonna decrease, and I have to get used to using the mouse more.

StoneyB

tchrist

Her bust balances the ship?

StoneyB

Well, for ladies challenged fore there's aft balancing, too.

Anonymous

11:57 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Back before laser mice, I tended to get RSI problems using mice.

StoneyB

... have to go restore the tissues now. 'night, all.

Anonymous

So I got used to doing everything with the keyboard as much as possible.

Anonymous

@StoneyB Rest well!

Anonymous

I have a mouse now which seems to be kinder to my wrist.

Anonymous

But I'm still used to using my keyboard all the time.

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