ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

02:55

2

Q: "Something, and since then, something else." - can "and" be in or out of the subclause constituents delimited by commas?

Elsewhere someone asked a question about the following sentence: [I] - I ate the pie, and since then, I have had a stomach ache. Please consider the following variation (comma placement): [II] - I ate the pie and, since then, I have had a stomach ache. In example I, what is the rat...

English commas are puzzling!

Damkerng T.

03:13

1

Q: How to parse this sentence. What kind of clause of "that you would ask him to pull your beard."?

He bet me $100 that you would ask him to pull your beard. How to parse this sentence? What kind of clause of "that you would ask him to pull your beard."?

sentence-construction

I guess they're studying complements vs. modifiers at the moment. (Not sure if it's whether an ESL or a linguistic book.)

Damkerng T.

05:53

0

Q: Difference between across and beyond?

Is there any difference between the two ideas: "She came from Spencer, across the hill" "She came from Spencer, beyond the hill" It sounds to me that across is more near of the hill than beyond, but I'm not sure.

meaning meaning-in-context prepositions idiom-meaning

Another sentence (from a lyric) was hacked!

Freddy

06:26

hola

Damkerng T.

Hallo!

Freddy

Kya halo?(Translation: where to go?)

Hallo ---> let's go in Gujarati

Anonymous

@unarist To be honest, I'm never quite sure about stuff like this. I tend to respond in a similar fashion

Anonymous

Most of the email exchanges I've had in English are relatively informal, even with people I don't know

Anonymous

I tend to just sign emails with my name, though. Sometimes with an extra message, like "Thanks again for all the help!"

Anonymous

06:38

@DamkerngT. The question about across and beyond is interesting to me though

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I came up with three readings!

@Freddy Oh! Let's say that it's German, then. :D

Freddy

hello @dam @snail

Anonymous

Hi! :-)

Damkerng T.

Oh, Rest in Pieces is a slogan used in The Final Destination (the 4th one in the series).

Freddy

Rock-paper-scissors

Rock-paper-scissors is a zero sum hand game usually played between two people, in which each player simultaneously forms one of three shapes with an outstretched hand. These shapes are "rock" (a simple fist), "paper" (a flat hand), and "scissors" (a fist with the index and middle fingers together forming a V). The game has only three possible outcomes other than a tie: a player who decides to play rock will beat another player who has chosen scissors ("rock crushes scissors") but will lose to one who has played paper ("paper covers rock"); a play of paper will lose to a play of scissors ("scissors...

Damkerng T.

06:46

Some people are really good at this game.

Freddy

Like Sheldon :-)

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock

►

Damkerng T.

I missed almost the entire series, though the part I had a chance to watch was fun. :-)

6

Q: thank you for your continued support or continuous support?

When you want to thank someone for the support they give you always. Which one should I use? thank you for your continued support? thank you for your continuous support?

grammar

Oh! 51k views!

Freddy

+1 from my side! :D

Damkerng T.

I think I should try to get rid of, say 500 tabs, so my browser can become responsive once again.

Freddy

500 ---> to get rid off! how many are open?

approx

Anonymous

07:00

I'm sad I can't type an infinity symbol on my phone

Freddy

hahaha...etc

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

This window alone has 1600 tabs.

It's a round number!

Let's see how many windows I have right now...

Oh, 40 windows.

(Most have less than 100 tabs, though)

(Some have only a few or some ten tabs)

Freddy

means if someone want to know what were you doing they need to check roundabout 1600 + (40 *50)

Damkerng T.

Hehe! -- Which makes me often feel like being at my own limits lately.

It's no fun when you type letters and don't know if each and every letter will get through.

38 windows. -- good job, Damkerng!

Freddy

Keep going. Close remaining 37

Keep 1 open(for chat room)

@M.A. hola

M.A.Ramezani

07:14

Hullo!

Anonymous

Word of the day: nosology

M.A.Ramezani

The study of noses?

Anonymous

Close!

M.A.Ramezani

Diseases.

Anonymous

Yes

Freddy

07:15

the branch of medical science dealing with the classification of diseases.

Anonymous

The study of noses is rhinology

Damkerng T.

It's the meta of diseases!

M.A.Ramezani

That's the study of rhinos.

Damkerng T.

I believe that the Speculative Grammarian would refer to nosology as the diseases dissecting the diseases. :P

M.A.Ramezani

Dissecticizing!

ssccss..

Damkerng T.

07:17

37 windows! -- There is still hope!

M.A.Ramezani

...for ELL's graduation?

Damkerng T.

Um... it was only me trying to close my tabs. :D

Freddy

14 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

This window alone has 1600 tabs.

14 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

Oh, 40 windows.

M.A.Ramezani

One day I'm gonna teach @Dam to close his tabs quickly; that day will be the day he's asking me for tips to avoid the Iranian sites and their ads.

Damkerng T.

Hahaha!

M.A.Ramezani

07:20

^ A sign that day's soon to come.

Freddy

@dam can't you close all tabs together by closing window

Damkerng T.

@Freddy I sure can, but if I did that I would forget all my tabs.

M.A.Ramezani

BTW I'm done with the effing English exam.

Damkerng T.

For example, I have a window for Halliday's Systemic Functional Grammar Framework.

If I closed it I would lose all the related tabs.

@M.A.Ramezani Yay!

M.A.Ramezani

@DamkerngT. HSFGF. An abbr. you'll never forget.

Freddy

07:22

ahaha I see

Damkerng T.

Anyway, I usually either note something down or bookmark the tab before closing it if I think it could be useful in the future.

Freddy

How many bookmark do you have(approx)? :D

M.A.Ramezani

So then you end up with 2 billion bookmarks.

Damkerng T.

I wonder that too. :D

M.A.Ramezani

The number, I'm pretty sure, is >342326352.

Damkerng T.

07:24

I guess the number of my bookmarks is probably even higher than the number of my unread emails.

M.A.Ramezani

And maybe even your age.

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Ah, I'm sure that it's less than a hundred thousand.

M.A.Ramezani

144

Q: Graduation, site closure, and a clearer outlook on the health of SE sites

Back in April of 2010, Joel shared our assumptions about the role of small sites in the newly minted Stack Exchange network: If a site does not have enough activity at the end of 90 days, it will be closed down. Any existing Q&A will be archived and made available for download, but the site...

discussion featured beta-phase beta-sites graduating-sites

Have you seen that one guys? ^

Anonymous

Oh, are you reading Halliday's Introduction to Functional Grammar?

Damkerng T.

Anyway, I only started to keep things in my bookmarks late last year.

M.A.Ramezani

07:26

@snailboat He's supposed to be reading.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I'm planning to read it. I ran into it a few days ago. That's how I know someone named Downing.

M.A.Ramezani

It's a linguist human, right?

Damkerng T.

I'm not quite sure where I should really start, though.

Anonymous

I have that book! :-)

M.A.Ramezani

Start from the beginning.

Damkerng T.

07:28

Ah, that's nice!

@M.A.Ramezani Hmm... does it have its beginning or its end?

M.A.Ramezani

Or page one, or the cover if you want to be really into the subject.

Damkerng T.

Sorry, my grammatron doesn't work properly today...

M.A.Ramezani

BTW I'm leaving in five minutes.

You'll lose me.

Damkerng T.

Ah, more tests?

M.A.Ramezani

Just said so you won't cry when I left.

@DamkerngT. Nah.

Freddy

07:29

RIP @M.R.

M.A.Ramezani

Going somewhere with no internet.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Freddy

space?

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Oh, isn't that unthinkable?!

M.A.Ramezani

@Freddy Exactly. That's somewhere with no internet.

Anonymous

07:30

Let me know if you need help with functional grammar

M.A.Ramezani

I do I do. Raises hands

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Thanks in advance! BTW, do you think it's a good framework?

Freddy

throws chalk calm down @M.R.

M.A.Ramezani

Docks or ducks or dacks

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I think it will appeal to you

Anonymous

07:34

> Being a 'functional grammar' means that priority is given to the view 'from above'; that is, grammar is seen as a resource for making meaning - it is a semanticky kind of grammar. (p.49)

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I guess so. I read a bit about it and it seems like it's something I was looking for for so long.

M.A.Ramezani

So, what the preferred IUPAC name be at last?

1,2-difrom above-3-hexanol?

Oh wait...Sorry guys, I forgot I wasn't in The Periodic Table.

Damkerng T.

It's okay. It sounds exciting!

1 and 2 together as a di is going to attack 3 hexanol? :P

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's about a misspelling. — Damkerng T. 6 hours ago

Anonymous

It never ceases to amaze me how different music sounds on different systems in different rooms, or on different headphones, etc.

Damkerng T.

@DamkerngT. The asker hasn't made it completely clear whether this was heard or read ('misspelled' not withstanding), but since the alleged misspelling resulted in a real word that could plausibly be part of a real phrase this seems very on-topic. I found a few other forums where this same question was asked, apparently by different people, indicating that it's a question others may have. — DCShannon 4 hours ago

It looks like I'm in the minority here.

Anonymous

07:40

Hmm, it could be a linguistically interesting error.

Anonymous

An eggcorn! :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I'm always surprised at how myself could sound like on different devices!

Anonymous

eggcorns.lascribe.net

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I kinda like this word more and more. :D

Hello @unarist!

unarist

@Damkerng Hi!

Damkerng T.

07:42

I usually end my casual emails with "Best regards," too.

(Best regards, and then my name on another line, I mean.)

M.A.Ramezani

@unarist Hullo!

And somehow I guess bye everyone for 8 hours.

unarist

@damkerng It seems "Best regards," has no demerit and useful

Anonymous

@M.A.Ramezani That's the first time I've seen someone using bye as a verb :-)

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Have a good time off the net!

M.A.Ramezani

@snailboat That shows the extent of my ~~creepiness~~ uniqueness.

Tatta!

@unarist Oh wait...You a mod?

unarist

07:48

@M.A.Ramezani at ja.stackoverflow.com

M.A.Ramezani

Japanese SO?

Damkerng T.

@unarist I think the same. It seems to carry a gesture of goodwill.

unarist

Of course, it's not Japanese Language SE (japanese.stackexchange.com) :-)

Catija

Hi all.

Lots of people in here tonight :D

fahdijbeli

good morning

Damkerng T.

07:56

Hi @Catija!

Morning @fahdijbeli!

Catija

I'm actually off to bed at 3 am... this one's making me too prickly and I don't want to deal with it any more.

0

Q: Can "of all strands" mean of "of all sorts"?

Can I use the word "strand" to mean a "sort" of a "kind" of something, as in: Multiple books of all strands have been written on the issue? If not, what would be a good alternative?

meaning-in-context word-usage word-choice

unarist

@snailboat I often use 敬語 (honorific?) to email to customer support in Japanese, so I'm afraid that in English. However, I forgot some of others don't use even japan...

Damkerng T.

@Catija I think the OP's comments make the OP's question look more like a proofreading request.

Catija

Well, then I hope he leaves in the question mark. :P

fahdijbeli

敬語

lol

Anonymous

08:08

@unarist Yeah, I think the whole culture of emailing someone in English is different somehow

fahdijbeli

I understand this word :)

Anonymous

@fahdijbeli Are you learning Japanese? :-)

fahdijbeli

@snailboat lol no I am joking :p

Damkerng T.

Interesting, in my Japanese coursebook, it says in Japanese, it is not necessary to use such a salutation.

Hello, test.

Nice, I'm talking via Siri!

unarist

A business email begins with like "snail様" email.chottu.net/write/format.html

Damkerng T.

08:18

ありがとうございます！

Oh, it's much easier to talk than type!

unarist

?

Damkerng T.

I'm on my iPad, and I'm using Siri to type for me.

Anonymous

Voice input is fun

unarist

I haven't used to type, but Siri is fun

Anonymous

【iOS 8.1】Siriの隠しコマンド(裏技)

►

Damkerng T.

08:24

What did he say to make Siri speak so fast?

In the third time, I mean.

Anonymous

Sometimes it reacts differently to the same message. Say 早口言葉を教えて（はやくちことばをおしえて）

Damkerng T.

A-ha! (I'm back at my keyboard now.)

Catija

He keeps saying "say it faster".

Damkerng T.

This is weird...

@DamkerngT. the body becomes 'dead' the moment soul leaves. So, yes, it's a dead body. BTW, how dead person is different from a dead body (of course, of a person!). — Maulik V 12 mins ago

unarist

When I knew Siri's fun features, I was surprised it is in Japanese not only English.

Damkerng T.

08:34

Oh, no! The Japanese Siri knows that I'm not a Japanese!

I said, "Hey, Siri." Siri replied, "ハロー"

I tried again, she replied "Good afternoon" in a Japanese accent!

unarist

I tried with typing "Hey, Siri"

> コンニチハ、地球人。

oh

Damkerng T.

The third time, she replied, "ハーイ". :D

Anonymous

@unarist Hehe, that reminds me of Area 51: area51.stackexchange.com

Anonymous

@unarist know is like 知っている, knew is like 知っていた

Anonymous

> When I learned about Siri's fun features, ...

Anonymous

08:42

> When I found out about Siri's fun features, ...

Anonymous

Know is a stative verb in English

unarist

Yes, I was not sure that word...Thanks

Damkerng T.

Um... need a little help!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. What's up?

Damkerng T.

uploading...

I'm pretty sure that it must be funny. :-)

What did Siri reply to me?

Anonymous

08:45

> First, please tell me where you are. Please open the "location information service" settings, and set "location information service" to ON, and then scroll to Siri and set this to ON as well.

unarist

Siri thinks you're encountering some accidents...

Damkerng T.

LOL

unarist

"事故" に反応したんでしょうね

Anonymous

Hehe!

Anonymous

I guess it misheard your はやくちことば :-)

Damkerng T.

08:47

I guess so!

fahdijbeli

つづく」

Anonymous

I'm not sure about 大畑

fahdijbeli

lol

unarist

@Damkerng Copy this: 早口言葉

fahdijbeli

the only word I know it because I saw it always in Monga filsm :p

Damkerng T.

08:48

Thank you very much! @unarist @snailboat

Anonymous

I guess it's good you have your location service settings set to off :-)

Damkerng T.

I usually set it to off. :D

Jim Reynolds

09:56

Did snailboat call Siri it?

1 hour ago, by snailboat

I guess it misheard your はやくちことば :-)

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds Seems so!

Good evening, @Jim!

Anonymous

10:16

I did.

Anonymous

I dropped Siri down the animacy hierarchy.

Anonymous

And when it hit the bottom, it didn't feel a thing.

user62015

10:46

Hi!

Damkerng T.

Hi, @user62015,

user62015

How is going?

Damkerng T.

Good. Thanks. How about you?

user62015

Sounds good. I am great.

If I want to upload a video on Youtube so should I say: I will upload the video on Youtube or I will upload the video to Youtube. Which is right?

Damkerng T.

I think I'm going to use to.

Weird. Siri converted my gonna to going to.

user62015

10:52

Yes.

Does the preposition 'to' show the direction?

What if I use the preposition 'on'?

Damkerng T.

In this case, yes.

I think onto is okay but if you use only on it will sound like the video is already on YouTube.

At least for me.

user62015

Okay.

Damkerng T.

Saying period on Siri is a little bit cumbersome!

user62015

It makes sense.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

11:00

@DamkerngT. Gonna in speech is usually written going to

Damkerng T.

Indeed. I just want it to write the way I say it.

Hey, I used it too!

Anonymous

I wonder how you get it to write gonna

Damkerng T.

I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to

I said the two alternately, and that's what I got!

I give up!

Anonymous

It does make sense that a speaker would usually want gonna to turn into going to

Anonymous

Maybe you can spell it out

Damkerng T.

11:10

Let's see...

I DONN a

Siri is always trying to make sense of what we say, I think.

(I said, "I'm gee-oh-en-en-ay", BTW.)

Ah, i've got to go.

Damkerng T.

12:53

I wonder which syllable a native speaker will stress when pronouncing Zombeavers, assuming that he or she has never heard anyone say it before.

Anonymous

I immediately thought of stressing the first, but I suppose stressing the second is plausible too

Damkerng T.

I think it could feel a little weird either way.

Damkerng T.

13:18

Yay! Two books arrived today!

(The Redbook: A Manual on Legal Style (2d Ed.) and A Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage)

Anonymous

1

Q: Anymore in Affirmative Sentences

Do you use anymore in the meaning of "no longer" only in negative or interrogative sentences? Will it be grammatical, if I use that adverb in the affirmative sentence? I see no possibility of managing this problem of climate change anymore.

grammar grammaticality adverbs

Damkerng T.

I thought that question must've got your attention. :-)

(I mean, I was sure. :-)

Damkerng T.

13:48

Oh, googling for the first clause of the first chapter of The Redbook (Punctuation marks are like traffic signs that guide readers through sentences) gets me a lot of interesting results!

It makes me wonder who is (was?) the one who first stated this idea: punctuation marks are like traffic/road/freeway signs/lights/signals.

M.A.Ramezani

15:47

Lest you haven't noticed, I'm back! (Oh no)

fahdijbeli

16:14

do you have any Idea how to send a pdf file here ?

M.A.Ramezani

You can't, unfortunately.

Upload it to dropbox or somewhere like that.

Then link!

fahdijbeli

ah ok thanks :)

please here my incomplete article docdroid.net/1292w/article-2.pdf.html

if you want correct if there are some mistakes

and thanks

otherwise thanks too :D

M.A.Ramezani

Starred it. When @Dam shows up, I'll ask him to pin it.

fahdijbeli

@M.A.Ramezani sorry i dont understand you :/

M.A.Ramezani

Which part?

fahdijbeli

16:28

Starred it. When @Dam shows up, I'll ask him to pin it.

Starred it ??

M.A.Ramezani

7 mins ago, by fahdijbeli

please here my incomplete article http://www.docdroid.net/1292w/article-2.pdf.html

agent5566

hi all

M.A.Ramezani

Is starred. ^

@agent5566 Hullo!

Damkerng T.

Ah, for proofreading a whole document, a website like Lang-8 would be more effective.

Hi, agent5566.

I still think the other chatroom is better for sentence corrections.

agent5566

Sentence correction kills learner enthusiasm

:)

M.A.Ramezani

16:31

Nah...It kills time.

But it's fun.

Even when it's your sentence.

And EVEN when @snailboat is showing you the dark sides of English.

Damkerng T.

@fahdijbeli I took a quick look at your paper. I think your English is better than many papers/theses I've read.

fahdijbeli

@DamkerngT. thanks a lot ^^

Damkerng T.

The format looks a bit familiar; it looks almost like it's going to be published in some IEEE journal.

fahdijbeli

yes

Damkerng T.

:-)

M.A.Ramezani

16:39

I agree with @Dam. You are also better than most of Persian English speakers.

fahdijbeli

because I respect the prerequiest

Damkerng T.

@M.A.Ramezani Thanks! :-)

fahdijbeli

lol I am not good u dont forget you helped me all

M.A.Ramezani

Tanks, not thanks. How many times do I have to say? Aaargh! Robots these days!

Damkerng T.

I wonder which journal it is. :D

fahdijbeli

16:40

thanks to you :)

lol

ok

M.A.Ramezani

The jounal's name is apparently lol ok.

fahdijbeli

I won't repeat it like Robots :p

Damkerng T.

@fahdijbeli I think it was collaborative help. :-)

fahdijbeli

yes

Damkerng T.

Perhaps IEEE Computer. :D

M.A.Ramezani

16:43

Or monthly journal

Damkerng T.

IEEE has a journal named, unsurprisingly, Computer. :D

M.A.Ramezani

Hmm I'm thinking: IEEE = Internet Explorer Entertainment Environment.

Right?

Damkerng T.

Um...

M.A.Ramezani

I know, I should stop thinking.

But not until you say please.

Damkerng T.

ieee.org

M.A.Ramezani

16:47

See? I was right all along.

fahdijbeli

@M.A.Ramezani yes

ah noooo

sorry

isn't

Damkerng T.

Hey, this is cute!

fahdijbeli

I get blocked

-_-

Damkerng T.

Aww...

It's from a recent article (yesterday): spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/…

M.A.Ramezani

Yes...The rs are very very cute.

I wonder how @Dam arrived at the conclusion that they're cute.

Damkerng T.

16:50

The robot estimates the weight and the friction before it decides the best way to push the object.

M.A.Ramezani

Maybe because the guy looks like baby robots.

Damkerng T.

At r = 0.51, the robot looks like someone who doesn't know how to push the thing. :-)

At r = 0.19, the robot looks like he raises his arm in victory.

M.A.Ramezani

I'm still wondering how all of this is cute.

Damkerng T.

At r = 0.75, he uses his head to push the box instead of his hands!

Well, maybe it's only a robot thing... -- sobbing...

M.A.Ramezani

Maybe if there was some liquid cyclohexane there, it'd look cute.

fahdijbeli

17:07

Our aim is to move in the direction of making the deployment DSML as mature. Furthermore, we plan to completely automate the process followed by our framework to deploy applications to cloud infrastructures.

what do you think about this sentence

?

Our aim is to move in the direction is this correct ?

I feel it's heavy no ?

M.A.Ramezani

It's good.

fahdijbeli

good

M.A.Ramezani

Wait...I'm not sure about as mature.

What message does the sentence want to convey?

fahdijbeli

I mean by as mature "complete" @M.A.Ramezani

M.A.Ramezani

Hmm...

fahdijbeli

17:14

something is full completed

I dont know how to explain it :/

M.A.Ramezani

But as there, it should be directing to the some extent of maturity described before.

I mean, like you pointed out what or how that maturity is gonna be in your previous sentences.

fahdijbeli

ah I understand you

I am thinking to replace it right now

M.A.Ramezani

This might be pedantic though. Either @Dam or @Snail could prove me right or wrong.

fahdijbeli

Okay ;)

Damkerng T.

17:47

Original: Our aim is to move in the direction of making the deployment DSML as mature.
A possible rewrite: We aim to advance the readiness of our DSML deployment technology.

M.A.Ramezani

Nah, the original is fancier.

Damkerng T.

Of course, maturity can be used instead of readiness, but to me "maturity" in the software engineering context has a bit specific meaning.

M.A.Ramezani

@fahdij likes fancy, so be it.

@DamkerngT. The whole as mature is weird to me.

Maybe a bit more technical person (pun intended) could have a better idea about it.

Damkerng T.

It's still awkward, imo, without as.

M.A.Ramezani

I wonder what he replaced the as mature with.

Damkerng T.

17:51

I think it could be meant as a phrase shorten from something like "as a mature technology (or framework, or anything the DSML or the deployment is meant to be)".

M.A.Ramezani

Hmm...Let me look back.

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