The Base Camp

WedaPashi

5:24 AM

Morning all.

nhinkle

Evenin'

WedaPashi

@nhinkle: Evening!

@nhinkle: Hows it going?

nhinkle

6:00 AM

@WedaPashi Alright. Probably heading to bed soon. Went paddling for the first time yesterday! That was a lot of fun.

(Kayak paddling that is. Been other types of paddling many times.)

WedaPashi

6:19 AM

@nhinkle: Sounds like fun. :-)

WedaPashi

6:45 AM

@Rory: Hey there! Hows it going?

Aravona

6:57 AM

Morning all

@nhinkle great! What kind of kayak?

Liam

7:43 AM

Morning!

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Q: Trail gun for protection against bears

Choosing a trail gun is proving more challenging than I would like, I'm wondering what handgun calibers are powerful enough to provide some protection against bears, particularly the aggressive variety, while being manageable enough for a smaller framed shooter ( whether that be a younger shooter...

safety

I don't get the gun culture in America

Why would you want to shoot a bear? Scare the bugger off, don't kill it

Aravona

8:01 AM

@Liam agreed!

WedaPashi

@liam: To be honest, even Hunting as an activity never make sense to me. Killing for fun is not a thing to do for me.

How and When would people understand that killing snakes, shooting bears and other animals is not the solution.way to go outdoors. I believe, those who are scared to go without a gun or something like that, should stay in, stay warm. Living outdoors is not their cup of coffee. Thats entirely a personal opinion btw.

@W.Goeman: Hi there, and Welcome to the Base Camp.

Liam

American's love guns

5th amendment and all that. Do you know how many school shootings there have been since the dumblaine masacre in the 90s that banned all firearms in the UK?

zero

:)

WedaPashi

@liam: Thats a commendable success story and an example to others!

Liam

8:28 AM

Now I want to make a sling

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Q: What are the things I need to know when fashioning a sling?

I was trying to make a sling the other day to entertain my kids (yes this is a terrible idea) and although the finished product worked (sort of) it occurred to me that this, like all ancient handi-craft, is probably deceptively complicated and has some crisply defined right and wrong materials an...

knots improvised-equipment

Aravona

8:54 AM

@Liam firearms arent banned in the UK though, they are heavily licensed and require police back ground checks etc. We have a shotgun at home, and my dad has several rifles. Plus airguns are still legal with no required licence.

The difference between us and the us is we won't let anyone have one and it is illegal to carry one in public outside of a case.

Let just anyone*

Liam

@Aravona But you can't buy your 10 year old daughter a hand gun?! In fact you can't buy a handgun. If you do own a shot gun (and a shot gun is pretty much the only gun you can leaglly own) it has to be licensed, you have to be licensed, and kept in a locked cupboard, etc. etc.

Our laws would be deemed un patriotic in america!

Which to me, is insanity

:)

Aravona

@Liam you can have a handgun yes, if you are over 18, pass a background check, are a member of a club, and it is kept in a properly locked gun cabinet, usually chained to tge rafters in a loft.

They do pistol shooting at a lot of clubs.

Liam

@Aravona I didn't think you could own a handgun at all?

Aravona

My dad used to have a pistol, I was too scared to fire it. But I enjoy .22 gallery shooting

Hold a sec Im on my phone I can't get you the info too easily

Liam

Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997

The Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 was the second of two Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom from 1997 that amended the regulation of firearms within the United Kingdom. It was introduced by the newly elected Labour government of Tony Blair. The other Act was the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997. == Background == The act was created in response to the Snowdrop Petition following the Dunblane Massacre. The previous Conservative government had followed the recommendations of the Cullen Report on the massacre and introduced the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 that banned "high calibre"...

The only handguns still allowed following the ban were:

Antique and muzzle-loading black-powder guns
Guns of historic interest whose ammunition is no longer available ("Section 7.1" weapons)
Guns of historic interest with current calibres ("Section 7.3" weapons)[note 1]
Air pistols
Guns which fall outside the Home Office definition of "handguns".[note 2]
Pistols used by hunters for humane despatch, limited to two shot capacity.
Pistols for use as personal protection weapons, mainly in Northern Ireland by retired police or prison officers, but also prominent figures who were considered at r…

Aravona

9:04 AM

nra.org.uk/common/asp/general/…

Liam

According to that the only handgun you can still own is a air pistol or a two shot capacity hand gun

Aravona

@Liam ahh I have no idea what my dad had. Probably the former.

Best information about current gun laws though will be on the NRA website

The above link refers to their pistol competitions

Liam

@Aravona Probably a target pistol? Breach loading with a single shot usually.

Aravona

@Liam my gun history is an air rifle,which I've had training shooting... And .22 gallery. I've done fullbore but I miss a lot at those ranges, 1000 yrds

Liam

@Aravona I used to have a .22 and a .125 air rifle when I was a kid

You'd struggle to injure someone with one of these! :)

You can kill a rabbit but that's about it!

Aravona

9:10 AM

@Liam the bullets in a. 22 aren't that small though

Liam

You are quite little though so.... ;)

Aravona

Dynadins dads mate growing up had a hole put in his hand from an air rifle lol

Liam

@Aravona Me and my nephew used to shot each other in the foot

Aravona

It's amusing you can have a shotgun so easily here still, but they are the farmers favourite

Liam

ha ha

WedaPashi

9:11 AM

Just had bad news coming in: A known guy (I should say a fatherly figure to me), aged 64, went missing from 18th Oct when he left for a tricky one-day solo trek, was found dead a couple hours ago.

Liam

@Aravona Not the same as America though still. You can't just walk into a shop and buy a fully automatic handgun

Aravona

@Liam lol...

@Weda oh sweetie, I'm so sorry to hear that

Liam

@WedaPashi That's bad

What happened?

Aravona

@Liam no but I can walk into my local family run diy / gardening store and buy air pistols and guns from 30quid up lol

WedaPashi

The body is just recovered from a very inaccessible place, so its likely that he missed the trail and got stranded. Injuries of a minor fall are visible, but the overall looks at the body suggests that it wasn't an immediate death on fall.

Symptoms of dehydration are clearly visible. Water bottles empty, body has rotten too fast to imagine for a day after death.

I can't believe what has just happened.

Aravona

9:15 AM

@Weda :( three days in the heat on your own...

I'm sorry for your loss love.

WedaPashi

A bad day on hike with worst case dehydration can literally kill

@Ara: I can just only imagine what he must have gone through. He was a tough guy though. Did a couple of good attempts on some seriously tough himalayan climbs. We've been listening him for advices with hungry open ears for nearly a decade now. :(

Anyways, what has happened has happened. I better go now, before night gotta ride a good 300 miles before I get to his place.

See ya later.

Have a good day ahead, take care and stay safe.

Aravona

@Weda stay safe and see you soon

Liam

@WedaPashi sorry to hear about that mate, take care

Aravona

@Liam busy day?

Liam

@Aravona Always! Listening off at the mo

Lessening

...

You?

Aravona

9:37 AM

@Liam busy as ever. I've jury duty next week though.

Liam

@Aravona Yeah, crazy. Never actually met anyone who's done jury duty before

Aravona

@Liam I don't really want to do it myself actually

Liam

@Aravona It could be a good one? It's prob some toerag stolen a red bull from a shop...

Aravona

@Liam yeah I'd just rather be at work getting paid though, the court won't even meet half my daily pay.

Liam

@Aravona I thought you also got paid for this stuff? that's crap

Stupid govenment

Aravona

9:51 AM

@Liam yeah but not much. Unless it goes on for months.

And I hope it doesn't do that

Liam

11:44 AM

Hey @Arrowfar

hows things?

user116848

@Liam Hey :)

user116848

Things are fine! How are you?

Rory Alsop

afternoon all

user116848

@RoryAlsop Hi

Liam

@Arrowfar Not bad, not bad

Rory Alsop

11:49 AM

4 hours ago, by Liam

American's love guns

heh

made me smile

user116848

hah :D

Aravona

@Rory @Arrow hey

user116848

@Aravona Hello :D

Aravona

@Arrow hows it going?

Liam

@RoryAlsop I hate's grammer

:P

user116848

11:53 AM

@Aravona Same old :-) You tell?

Rory Alsop

@Liam I luvs being a gramer adn speelin nazzi

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Aravona

@Arrow lol.... You tell. I'm fine thanks

user116848

@Aravona Studying and preparing for my December ACCA exams :-)

user116848

I hope I clear them

Aravona

@Rory that looks how my cousin texts, and shes 23

user116848

11:54 AM

They are getting very difficult these days!

Aravona

@Arrow I didn't ask... Just found 'you tell' amusing.

user116848

@Aravona Oh....haha

Aravona

@Rory good weekend?

user116848

@Aravona Yeah. I am on English sites on SE most of the time :-)

Rory Alsop

@Aravona yep - 4 days in the Lake District. Was very nice and relaxing#

Aravona

11:57 AM

@Arrow cool. I use newspapers and TV too increase my MFL skills

Rory Alsop

(Center Parcs)

Aravona

@Rory oooh jealous, sounds lovely!

Rory Alsop

@Arrowfar I can't read a doc without proofreading

Aravona

Counting down the days until we go to Edinburgh

Rory Alsop

My mum is a professional proofreader for newspapers

user116848

11:57 AM

@RoryAlsop Oh, I see. haha

Aravona

@Rory Dynadin used to do that for a local paper.

Someone needs to do it for the Bucks Herald website... It's awful

Liam

#myideaofhell

room topic changed to The Base Camp: He described it as "The most violent experience of his life" [aravona-violent-sister] [height] [speelin-nazzi] [whatswrong-with-icescrews] [zoorbing]

Rory Alsop

@Liam My brain just works that way - I review many many docs every day, and I autopilot through edits

user116848

@Aravona MFL skills?? "Magnetic flux leakage"? "Message Format Language "? "My Fantasy League"? Which is it? LOL

user116848

I googled it!

Liam

12:00 PM

1K on Travel this am

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A: How many types of Pound Sterling are there and what is the relationship between them?

Technically the only note that is valid legal tender in England and Wales are England and Welsh bank notes and vice versa for Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibralter, etc.: Are Scottish & Northern Ireland banknotes "legal tender"? In short ‘No’ these banknotes are not "legal tender"; furthermor...

Aravona

@Arrow Modern Foreign Languages.

user116848

@Aravona Ah, that. You speak any?

Aravona

@Arrow French and Spanish to GCSE level

Liam

I thought you might be able to clarify the Falklands stance @RoryAlsop

user116848

@Aravona Awesome! That's great.

Liam

12:03 PM

:D

Aravona

@Liam interesting question.

Rory Alsop

@Liam Yup - no-one accepts them :-)

Liam

this is so typical UK. We make systems like this seem very complex

See previous conversations on climbing grades

Aravona

@Liam lol

user116848

Does it ever happen to you that when you listen to any music after a while you think 'Wow! the sound is awesome'.

user116848

12:14 PM

I mean normally I don't appreciate the good sound of music in my headphones.

user116848

It seems weird to me.

Aravona

@Arrow do you mean sound quality? Or just the quality of music?

user116848

@Aravona Yeah. Sound quality!

user116848

Although I have normal headphones. Maybe it's just me.

user116848

It seems fantastic though.

user116848

12:16 PM

Maybe my soundcard is good.

user116848

Any music lovers here?

user116848

Yeah, we all are!

user116848

;-)

Rory Alsop

@Arrowfar absolutely

Aravona

@Arrow yeah, mostly punk rock / rock / metal... With a secret love of some of Katy Perrys music.

Liam

12:24 PM

@Arrowfar puts hand up

user116848

:-)

Rory Alsop

rock / metal / blues / classical / punk / industrial / other-genres-here (mostly excluding pop)

user116848

I like lots of genre too :)

user116848

Is it grammatical to say "genres" as in the plural of 'genre'?

Liam

@Arrowfar YEP, though rory will prob correct me....

user116848

12:27 PM

@Liam I see :)

Liam

Drum and Bass anything interesting....

90s Gunge

I've recently been listening to a bit of Jazz

....

Aravona

We usually have TeamRock going at work

user116848

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user116848

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user116848

But the sound quality is okay, I guess.

user116848

12:40 PM

Not very crisp.

user116848

:-)

Liam

@Arrowfar No, not my bag I don't think! :)

More my kind of thing

►

Bit moody(er)

user116848

Mostly I like the DJs like Armin Van Buuren.

user116848

►

user116848

@Liam Great!

user116848

12:50 PM

♫♫ "I was always floating around the city
Go with the flow without ever knowing where I wanna be....." ♫

user116848

:D

Liam

:)

not enough BASS! :)

►

Anyway...enough of this nonsense :D

Aravona

Lol can't listen to any of these

Liam

@Aravona No, not your kind of thing

I also like other stuff. For work, it's dance music though. Get so much more done

Aravona

@Liam probably not more that I'm at work without headphones.

But more*

Liam

12:55 PM

One of my fav none dance songs:

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Fricken love "The National"

Unbelievably amazing live too! Like best gig ever

God don't get me started on music

I'll be posting you stuff to listen to all day....

Aravona

@Liam my favourite music to work to is either the Bastion soundtrack, or Two Steps from Hell

Liam

@Aravona I will give them a go. always like something new

Aravona

@Liam obviously the Bastion soundtrack is better if you have played the game :) but Two Steps From Hell are great

user116848

@Aravona I love " Two Steps from Hell"

user116848

It's soothing.

user116848

1:02 PM

And jogs my mind when studying.

user116848

Or otherwise.

Aravona

@Arrow depends, some of the songs ft skrillex arent exactly soothing.

Liam

@Aravona Man I hate Skrillex

@Aravona Are these all film scores

very epic

Aravona

1:25 PM

@Liam yeah he isn't great but it works with some of the orchestral music.

@Liam been used in films and games, but are good albums.

Proper going on a quest music

soph-e

2:33 PM

i2.wp.com/shoryuken.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/… oh man this looks like it'd be a great joke christmas sweater/present :P

Rory Alsop

@Aravona There is no listening to music at work, but if I'm working from home then it can be anything from Clapton to Pantera :-)

Liam

2:53 PM

@soph-e want!

J. Musser

3:33 PM

Happy 1000th day in beta, fellows!

.

@Arrowfar Two Steps from Hell is awesome. My personal favorites are 'el dorado' and 'dragon rider'.

I have't been around this site for a bit :P

I've been too active on GL.

Look who answered all the well rated q/a's here:

5

Q: Let's get critical: Oct 2014 Site Self-Evaluation

We all love Gardening & Landscaping Stack Exchange, but there is a whole world of people out there who need answers to their questions and don't even know that this site exists. When they arrive from Google, what will their first impression be? Let's try to look at this site through the eyes of s...

discussion featured site-evaluation

Liam

3:54 PM

@J.Musser Hey. Hows it going

erm...was it you?

J. Musser

@Liam what?

Liam

Look who answered all the well rated q/a's here:

@J.Musser ^^

Sorry bit slow on the uptake

J. Musser

@Liam I answered 7 and asked 1 of the 10 'randomly' picked questions there.

@Liam I'm doin well, yourself?

Liam

@J.Musser Can't complain. Been a busy couple of weeks.

I could do with some plant advice on occasion...

BTW

J. Musser

Oh, and you can use quotes in chat too.

> Look who answered all the well rated q/a's here:

or,

permalink:

20 mins ago, by J. Musser

Look who answered all the well rated q/a's here:

@Liam Ask a question on GL?

Liam

3:59 PM

@J.Musser Yeah, I tried that but wasn't sure how it worked

@J.Musser I saw this but didn't know what it did

@J.Musser Good point

:)

J. Musser

@Liam > add quote here

@Liam^

use >

Liam

> Ask a question on GL?

ah

cool

:)

J. Musser

@Liam Permalinks are useful when replying to old messages also.

Like:

@RoflcoptrException hey

That is a very old message I replied to.

@Liam What kind of plant advice do you need?

And sorry about the chat lectures

Liam

no, no

it's useful

What brings you back to TGO then?

@J.Musser

J. Musser

@Liam I wanted to post a meta answer:

0

A: Species Identification

I was wondering when this question was coming up. The biggest issue: All plant identification is covered in the identification tag on Gardening & Landscaping beta (by far the biggest tag there), and there is some overlap there and with the species-identification tag on Biology beta, which cover...

Liam

4:07 PM

@J.Musser I forgot about that meta

I meant to reply myself but wasn't sure what to say

J. Musser

@Liam I like answering these types.

Liam

@J.Musser re-tagged the question for you as you requested

J. Musser

@Liam request already deleted :P thanks

Wish I could suggest edits on child metas.

@Liam you have a respectable rep on the Great Outdoors.

Liam

Here's the question that prompted that meta post BTW

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Q: What is this beetle? Found in heather in snowdonia

We were walking in the hills of snowdonia the other day and my girlfriend found this in the heather: I've never seen anything like it. Can anyone identify it? It was the biggest beetle I've ever seen.

uk bugs snowdonia beetle

@J.Musser I try my best! This is my thing really and I had become disillusioned with SO

There's a few of us here in chat everyday now

J. Musser

@Liam I'd vtc as ot, linking in comment to the meta post oneboxed above. The question is good, but I don't think it belongs on here.

@Liam Like me on GL. :D

@Liam Leaving it open might encourage new users to post similar id questions, using it as an example. In the future, these can be migrated to other sites as necessary.

Liam

4:15 PM

@J.Musser I think it's too old to be migrated now?

J. Musser

@Liam Yes.

status-completed^

Liam

@J.Musser indeed

J. Musser

@Liam Looks like you guys are having trouble keeping up activity.

Liam

@J.Musser Yes. We have been for some time

We have flourishes but it tends to get quiet

J. Musser

@Liam That's our problem on GL too. We get seasonal bursts.

Liam

4:22 PM

@J.Musser When we had a focus on question we got up to (I think it was) 3.8 quertions per day

but then it died down

There's a handful of regulars always good answers. Just not the people asking

J. Musser

@Liam GL stays at 3.5 or near most of the year.

When it goes lower than 3, I try to make up the difference myself.

EverythingRightPlace

Hi all

Liam

@J.Musser Dito

only so many questions you can ask though!

Hi @EverythingRightPlace

J. Musser

I was active there until July '12, took a break until may 16, '14. Look at the difference here:

@EverythingRightPlace Hiya!

EverythingRightPlace

Hey

Admin stats?

Liam

4:26 PM

@J.Musser How do you get these?

EverythingRightPlace

Is it from your main site, Gardening.SX?

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace Yup.

@Liam Look here:

data.stackexchange.com/outdoors/query/161411/…

2

Enter the number of weeks you want graphed.

EverythingRightPlace

@J.Musser Amazing, thx :)

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace Yup. SEDE is awesome. You can find out almost anything there.

EverythingRightPlace

But it's not working with my SX account

J. Musser

4:30 PM

@EverythingRightPlace SE?

EverythingRightPlace

I am Mr. "jon.doe15902"

@J.Musser yes

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace Yeah, it's not on the network, you recreate your account there.

This is me: data.stackexchange.com/users/15478/j-musser

EverythingRightPlace

@Liam I always notice there are lots of Americans in TGO because there are weapon questions so regularly... I would like to ban those questions but unfortunately they seem to be on topic...

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace But you should be able to log in using your SE openid.

EverythingRightPlace

@J.Musser how?

J. Musser

4:40 PM

@EverythingRightPlace ^^

EverythingRightPlace

Ah ok :)

I always click on the auto connect buttons ;)

ty

I like stats

J. Musser

I can't wait until GL graduates. I want to be a mod there. :P

EverythingRightPlace

Is it a hobby or your job?

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace Then sede is the right place for you. :)

@EverythingRightPlace I'm a professional.

EverythingRightPlace

;)

Where are you working then?

J. Musser

4:44 PM

@EverythingRightPlace Here in the local area.. I'm self-employed.

EverythingRightPlace

And it seems you like the job a lot

J. Musser

I do diagnosis, spraying, pruning, mowing, general lawn care, landscape design, installations, maintenance, expert consultations, a little nursery, sell some veggies, christmas trees, etc.

@EverythingRightPlace Oh yeah. Can't beat growing things.

EverythingRightPlace

Is it more the wealthy people with big mansions and gardens who give you jobs? Some friends of mine studied landscape architecture and it seems it's really tough to get a job. At least locally.

I myself am not the big gardener but my family is. When I visit them I help from time to time. Last weekend my sister and I harvested a 2700 gram zucchini :)

J. Musser

@EverythingRightPlace Ah. Nice. But we take plant id questions, so you could ask one of those.

EverythingRightPlace

plant id?

identifying?

J. Musser

4:55 PM

@EverythingRightPlace I (being one person) prefer to work in smaller properties, to get more variety.

@EverythingRightPlace yup.

EverythingRightPlace

when I have such a question I will maybe do so

I am from Germany so you won't know the plant I share... we are very exotic here ;)

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