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b3m2a1

00:07

@Kuba Yeah I don't think it buys us much. It's a pretty vague tag...

@channel I spent a while polishing up the Paclet Server interface (it looks a lot better now) and I included a sidebar on the right. Because it's traditional I'm including some external links in one of the panels and would like input on what links are good to have. Here's what I have right now:

That's a link to the "pitfalls" question, a tutorial I wrote, Leonid's book, and the WRI fast intro. Anything else I should include?

I also have this for the site links:

And if people think there are better things for those I'm happy to include changes there too.

b3m2a1

02:41

@JasonB. can you think of any fun chemistry tasks that would also serve as a nice intro to programming (i.e. stuff that will reward OOP, code reuse, encapsulation, etc.)?

I'm training a new computational chemist

@ChrisK how does this sound as a pitch:

A number of people in the broader Mathematica community have enjoyed the Live CEOing Twitch streams and have often though of questions that would be interesting and useful to have discussed by WRI in a livestream dedicated to end user input. If this is in the realm of possibility, we can come up with a finalized list questions that WRI could vet.

Or something along those lines. I feel like to coax them into doing this it will need to seem like it's not just going to be a "why doesn't this work" type thing.

Or maybe suggest it to WRI that they solicit input from the broader community for a stream.

b3m2a1

03:19

@Kuba what do you think of this idea: we use the undocumented cloud notebook API to make the equivalent of a "let me Google that for you" website but with Mathematica

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We can do it 100% (I basically did that for to some OP by sending him here: wolframcloud.com/objects/b3m2a1.testing/…)

b3m2a1

03:46

Here we are:

It's a little bit meh but it works. Just format your query in URL format and submit it to https://www.wolframcloud.com/objects/b3m2a1/LetMeMathematicaThatForYou.html?que‌ry=...

Here's a more complex example:

wolframcloud.com/objects/b3m2a1/…

C. E.

05:27

@Kuba I would never have thought to put the syntax tag on a question about a web service API. I also would prefer to use the webservice tag instead of web-access. But I agree with you about the API tag, I think it is simply too broad to be useful.

KraZug

06:48

Yay, got my Fanatic badge.

C. E.

07:52

@KraZug Congratulations :)

Kuba

08:20

:)

@C.E. @b3m2a1 thanks for feedback.

@b3m2a1 I think WRI should be very interested in supporting this idea.

b3m2a1

08:54

@Kuba I realized I could turn this into a JS fiddle type thing, too. Here's a preliminary implementation:

wolfr.am/AF3KGLGC

Kuba

@b3m2a1 While I think it is in WRI best interest I also think you should consult it with them first. It is a thing a legal dept can have objections to, don't you think?

b3m2a1

@Kuba I figure if they complain I can just remove all that stuff.

All I need to do is a DeleteFile and it's gone :)

Kuba

Assuming this is all they will want you to do.

b3m2a1

Right they might have crazier requests but I figure probably not

b3m2a1

09:55

@Kuba @CarlLange why is web programming so terrible...if I wanted to really have a decent JS fiddle like thing I'd need to do a lot of handling of asynchronous requests and responses in/out of the cloud notebook API.

I do not have the bandwith for that for a pure-amusement project

In any case, here's my implementation of a WL fiddle:

cellToString[c : (Cell[b_BoxData, ___] | Cell[_, "Input", ___])] :=

  First@FrontEndExecute@
    ExportPacket[c, "InputText"];
cellToString[c : Cell[_, s_String, ___]] :=
  ExportString[
   <|"style" -> s,
    "content" ->
     First@FrontEndExecute@
       ExportPacket[c, "PlainText"]
    |>,
   "JSON",
   "Compact" -> True
   ];
makeWLFiddle[cells : {__Cell}] :=
  With[
   {
    cc = NotebookTools`FlattenCellGroups[cells],
    key = StringJoin[ToString /@ RandomInteger[10, 15]]
    },
   StringReplace[

And here's the fiddle for that:

wolfr.am/AF7COxRS

One ridiculous thing about this is that all of the data is passed in the URL. So I you have to base64 encode it before passing it in. But it works! That was very cool to see. I can also have it load on request rather than load immediately.

Kuba

10:16

@b3m2a1 just create a WL fiddle within a JS fiddle :P

b3m2a1

10:28

@Kuba Lol

Honestly if the sandbox cloud notebooks didn't wipe themselves after a bit that'd be a great approach

b3m2a1

18:39

For anyone who wants to contribute to the paclet server, it's even more automated. As long as you're down to always have the server point to your GitHub repo's latest release you never even have to tell the server to update it (unless you want to force an update more than the ~1 to 2x/week I'm planning on doing).

I got the update logic working so it's fast and automated for the latest release of a GitHub repo. @Szabolcs this in particular is pertinent to you I think (and maybe @halirutan for Rubi).

Carl Lange

interesting, this is the first time I've seen this on SO mathematica.stackexchange.com/help/serial-voting-reversed

b3m2a1

19:28

@CarlLange Yeah it comes up sometimes. On MSE I don't imagine we'll have much negative serial voting, but I've definitely logged in to find like 150 rep gone and that notification.

Carl Lange

19:47

@b3m2a1 That's what's just happened to me also. It makes a lot of sense. I like it!

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