@TeresaLisbon I take it you woke up, fairly early this morning (Wednesday, for you)?

@amWhy Yes! It was 3:25 IST when I woke up.

@TeresaLisbon I'm an early waker, myself, but I've pushed myself to make it until 4:00 am.

@amWhy Well done! It is a great idea to wake up early. I feel good when I do so.

I was in a vicious cycle of waking at 1 am, 2 am, not being to continue sleeping, but then wiping out and ready for bed at 7pm or 8pm.

I see. Yes, I had a terrible habit of staying awake as well, particularly due to late nighe football, but the Euros are done so it's a month of early morning schedules now.

By the way, I found a duplicate here.

@TeresaLisbon Yes, I like hearing the waking birds, watching dawn arrive, etc.

@TeresaLisbon Nice!

@amWhy The quiet is almost deafening!

Anyway, I think that will be it for me for some time. @amWhy Sleep well!

@TeresaLisbon Yes, indeed, but as the world and critters awaken, it's like a rebirth, every morning. Do you know of Cat Steven's "Morning has broken"? A Song, a very sweet song.

A thought, honestly not sure if it's right or not. /r/math doesn't seem to have as much drama regarding deletion of posts. Now, of course MathSE is a significantly different sort of community, with a different purpose. But could part of the reason for its success be that its rules are so much better codified? /r/math's rules are 300 words. The EOQS are 860; the "Asking" section of the Help Center over 5,000.

I agree with a comment made by amWhy a couple days ago, that humans are not robots and Later's performative naïvete is ridiculous. At some point though, doesn't pragmatism demand a reformation & concision of the rules? Aren’t concise rules plus comprehensive guidelines better than just rules and just guidelines?

To (mis)quote Monty Python, busy moderators sitting in offices distributing guidelines is no way to run a forum 

Consider deleting this PSQ.

One more vote needed: C1, C2; D1, D2, D3, D4, D5

For deletion: D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, D12

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Please consider closing this question

C3

For your consideration: this answer is wrong, and my answer is pretty good

@MikePierce I’m not sure that there is much that can be done about a wrong answer outside of giving it enough downvotes in hopes that the user fixes it or deletes it. However, the answer is so old and the user has not visited the site in so long that any downvote would be useless for grabbing the user’s attention.

Opinions about the comment with "the universe has defined ..." here ?

@Peter It’s a bit capital-R Romantic, but I also don’t think it’s meant to be taken literally.

@MikePierce I have edited that wrong answer.

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A question about proving the Goldbach conjecture

@soupless One more close-vote needed

@soupless open for deletion

@TeresaLisbon conjecture

A question that doesn't seem to be a question

Also, OP commented from their post:

@soupless This question is not only poor, this behaviour should be flagged, but how ?

@Peter I am thinking that it is a spam, or in need of moderator intervention.

@Peter Spotted it, thanks.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (41): Projection on to a Subspace and orthogonal basis confusion by ed84 on math.SE

@Peter I mean, Plato was wrong. Math is invented, not discovered. Hail Wittgenstein.

psq math.stackexchange.com/q/4198231/29335

Bad question.

@XanderHenderson on behalf of platonists everywhere, 😠

@JackGallagher Although I disagree with Xander (I think a certain small part of mathematics is discovered), you must be very careful when you say "platonist", because "mathematical platonism" is not actually well-defined.

Anyway, if you want to discuss that we should do it in another room.

@ArcticChar Since I am being mentioned, I should say that I never request closure/deletion unless I've already voted. If my vote isn't there, it's because my vote expired or was invalidated.

More generally, and not specifically about you, I think amWhy's suggestion that we only make delete-requests that we have voted on is a good one, because we all have limited votes. Related to that, I think it's best if we try to contribute at least as many votes to others' requests as the number of requests we make, so as to have some kind of 'fair resource allocation'.

@XanderHenderson I love Wittgenstein!!! Did you read his Tractatus??

Hi everyone :) $4$ hours ago this question was deleted. math.stackexchange.com/questions/4190649/…

@A-LevelStudent Yup. And as an answerer, you would like to retain rep you thought you had?

@TeresaLisbon Mindlack presented a possible full solution, but I cannot follow all the steps. Can you check the induction proof ?

@Peter I'll check it.

Is there anyway we can honor CURED, but ignore requests from participating parties in a given question/answer?

@amWhy Not quite, it's only $30$ rep, so it's not really a big deal. I think I do understand why the question was closed, but I also think that my method would be useful for other people to see. Is there any harm in just keeping it closed and not deleted?

@A-LevelStudent Find a likely dupe to add your answer below. Likely one exists.

But @A-LevelStudent Since you agree the question should be closed, why did you answer it, (which is discouraged in the EoQS)??

No, @A-LevelStudent keeping questions closed will still keep them on site, as examples. I'm not saying that we shouldn't retain useful information, but as it stands that information is not searchable at all. Furthermore, given that $\cot(90-A) = tan(A)$, it is sufficient to prove that $arctan(2 - \sqrt{3}) = 15$ , which has a post here. The irony is that there is a common answerer on both...

... questions.

@amWhy You're right, I shouldn't have answered it. At the time I wasn't totally sure that it should be closed though, as it seemed the OP had no idea what to do so couldn't add any of their attempts. I just thought that it might benefit others, and it was a nice idea that I didn't want to forget. But you're right, I still shouldn't have answered it, I'm sorry about that.

(Side note : I also forgot to mention $tan(-A) = -tan A$, so with that as well).

@A-LevelStudent I get it. Save your answer somewhere, formatted and all; it may be useful to post as an answer to a better question.

@TeresaLisbon Ah, I hadn't seen that question (and answer).

@amWhy I will, thanks for the suggestion :)

@A-LevelStudent No problem! You just need google. I searched "arctan (\sqrt 3 -2) math stackexchange" and literally the second result was this post.

(Maybe third, but it was clearly visible).

It's ok to answer duplicates when the question isn't searchable, but if Google throws it up as a second or third result, you can usually discourage yourself from answering. Even more so if the post is of low quality.

@TeresaLisbon Google "XXX site:math.stackexchange.com".

@user21820 A couple of user names, power tower questions, and questions involving the third derivative of functions (differential equations).

@TeresaLisbon No no. I meant that you can restrict to a specific website using the syntax I gave ("XXX" is what you want to find).

@user21820 OH!! I see what you meant. See, this is what happens if you don't interpret and read things too literally! Nice trick, I will keep it in mind.

I'll be going now, thanks for the help @TeresaLisbon and @amWhy.

@A-LevelStudent Cheers!

Thanks, @A-LevelStudent and wish you well.

@user21820 That was , frankly, one of the funniest things that's happened to me in a whole week.

@user21820 Helpful tip!

D

@TeresaLisbon Haha you're welcome for the laugh. =)

@Peter We can delete it immediately, but personally I prefer to let such highly downvoted closed non-duplicate posts without answers sit around so people can see if they repost it. And after 9 days the automatic broom will clean it up. What do you think?

@user21820 In this case, I see no reason to wait. The obvious flaw has been pointed out and the author noticed it.

@Peter You're right; I missed the author's comment. Gone!

@TheSimpliFire Hi

PSQ to Close. I am weary of PSQ contest-math!!

PSQ with 3 upvotes?!

@shoteyes Well you can contribute downvotes if you want...

@user21820 I just thought it would be closed soon honestly 😅

@shoteyes It's got three close votes; ever vote helps. Thanks for posting it here. Good call.

@shoteyes Sure, but people not downvoting it is why there were 3 upvotes and no downvotes when you requested it. =)

@shoteyes That question is actually very interesting, if it were brought up to context. I'm not sure I would know how to find the FG of that without actually drawing it out. The answer given is extremely short of details (I'm not even sure if the OP can complete those details), so I've downvoted it despite the fact that it may actually be correct.

I’m not entirely familiar with close votes, but I thought they were separate from the usual votes on casts on questions. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to the close queues so I’ve never seen them.

@shoteyes Both asker and answerer are apparently new users, so we can wait to see if the asker will improve the (now closed) question. But for your information, if you want to reach quicker deletion of a PSQ (e.g. if either asker or answer ought to know better), then every downvote helps because otherwise we'd have to wait a few days before we can even vote to delete.

@shoteyes You'll get there soon enough. Thanks for utilizing this room, and your capacity to downvote. Welcome aboard!

@shoteyes Yes, they are separate. What I meant is that if you didn't like the fact that it was at +3, you could downvote (including for the above-mentioned reason, which unfortunately is not visible to <10k-rep users). I'm not sure whether you have the rights yet to see the close-review queue yet, but you already have the right to downvote. Ideally, people ought not to upvote PSQs, but some do, and downvoting isn't just for indicating disapproval.

Consider downvoting, deletion, of this PSQ, or flag the answerer as I did for violating the EoQS..

@amWhy I added an explicit link. Is this answerer a frequent offender?

@user21820 I've encountered them answering PSQ's at least three earlier times. Initially early after Xander's Meta post, to inform, with link. Thanks for linking it again.

Learning a lot! I see that the reason downvotes are so desired for these low-quality posts is that the minimum number of delete votes required for a post scales with the number of votes it has.

@amWhy I'm lazy to do the link each time so it is part of the message I automatically generate using my javascript bookmark:

javascript:text="Please%20respect%20[the%20guidelines%20for%20enforcing%20quality%20standards](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/33508/enforcement-of-quality-standards).%20Thank%20you.";active=document.activeElement;v=active.value;p=active.selectionStart;q=active.selectionEnd;%20r=p+text.length;%20active.value=v.substr(0,p)+text+v.substring(q);%20active.setSelectionRange(r,r);void(0);

Makes it easy; just a few clicks. =)

Thanks, @user21820

You're welcome!

@shoteyes Closed posts will eventually always be open to users with rep to delete. Most questions require -3 net score to immediately make deletion an option.

Everyone, Please help close this PSQ

Please delete.

questions of this kind just do not stop to occur.

I just noticed that it is old , I apparently forgot to press "newest"

@Peter Nor does the answering of such repetitious questions slow down. That question is atrocious,

@Peter Me too.

close 🔚

@vitamind: that was really weird with blue left arrows all over.

C/D

Yes, probably it is because they copy pasted it without debugging.

@vitamind Exactly.

@vitamind Now open for deletion, @Peter, and all.

@vitamind An edit occured after the deletion - I guess because it began before the deletion.

@Peter It was initially another user's edit, not the OP. OP stepped in only to change one letter from capital, to lowercase.

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@user21820 May be I see this room differently. I mainly see this room as close vote/deletion vote queue.

Thus, for example, my close vote request are mainly those that (i) cannot be dealt with from the usual one (e.g. older post that no one end up reviewing), or (ii) post that I cannot flag into the close vote queue (e.g. when I am out of close vote, and my VLQ got settled by a trivial edit).

In general I avoid using this room for close vote request, since the close vote queue is working okay.

and I check on other users's close vote request when I see it, as if I did another close vote review. Of course I did not check any delete vote request.

Hi

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