The Whiteboard

PreferenceBean

8:04 PM

hah same

hey I should eat or something

Ampt

yeah I just did that

been putting it off in the hopees of making a 2PM build - that ain't happening

maybe 3

user15026

I should eat something that isn't popcorn or diet coke

PreferenceBean

do you mean diet coke

or do you mean diet orange tango or something

screw it I cba. takeaway it is.

some of saturday's overtime can pay for it

Ampt

@AshleyNunn yes, this is a good idea.

BTW do you have tabletop simulator?

(just kidding)

user15026

@Ampt I do not, should I?

user15026

8:18 PM

@PreferenceBean yeah, diet actual coke. :p

Ampt

If you enjoy board games: yes

PreferenceBean

@Ampt is it like Goat Simulator?

Ampt

phsyics based: yes, but it also has a ton of tools to facilitate playing games like blindfold mechanics, built in voice chat, host abilities to lock things down, shuffling cards, dice, etc. It's a really neat little package.

I'm wondering how copyright owners will crack down on it

I'm hoping not at all, but we'll see.

I'm far more likely to buy a game to play with my RL friends if I can enjoy it for free online. Getting trusted recommendations on niche stuff like that can be hard.

Kit Z. Fox

I am grateful to be working remotely today.

user55340

@RobertHarvey why do people keep wondering how to write nuke power plant software?

Ampt

8:31 PM

@MichaelT for all those homegrown nuclear reactors, duh.

user55340

0

Q: How is software for critical systems regulated in European Union?

I know that in US, FDA regulates SW for medical devices etc. But how is that in EU? What about SW for aviation, power plants, hospitals, medical devices, communication etc., I assume there have to be some regulations about development of these system to assure quality of some kind but I cannot fi...

user55340

programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/306557/…

user55340

0

Q: Why is question about critical embedded software for nuclear reactors on hold?

Critical embedded software for nuclear reactors This isn't career or educational advice. I just wanted to ask a qestion that I think is very interesting, and then it went on hold. Why?

support specific-question scope

Robert Harvey

8:47 PM

@MichaelT That's a good question.

Kit Z. Fox

Because how else will we decide what color the bikeshed should be?

Ixrec

The bikeshed is going to be fuschia. End of story.

4

user55340

That practical thing. When you have a real question about designing the software ask. Chances are you are under NDA then.

Kit Z. Fox

@Ixrec Fuschia is not going to work. It's a horrible, offensive color.

Ixrec

Our client made it very clear they want fuschia. Which means I don't have to take your objection seriously.

Robert Harvey

8:51 PM

Ixrec

not the best color

psr

@KitZ.Fox But you get to record story points.

Kit Z. Fox

I feel like I should flag that, in order to be consistent with the joke.

user55340

@RobertHarvey #define fuschia chartreuse

Robert Harvey

-30

Q: Request: Only allow the poster to approve edits.

only the poster who's being corrected should be able to approve an edit-- their name is on it, and it affects their reputation. If it's wrong, and they reject a correction, then the points and comments will reflect that.

feature-request status-declined suggested-edits

Ampt

8:53 PM

@RobertHarvey you must be new here.

Kit Z. Fox

Aww. More chapped hides.

enderland

how much grace should I give employer^ in terms of time to fix my W2 before calling in the IRS..

Robert Harvey

irs.gov/Help-&-Resources/Tools-&-FAQs/…

Ampt

I would say until the week before w2's are required to be filed. Then call the IRS, explain your situation, and ask for an extension

everything I've heard about the IRS's customer service is that it's really good

you may not want to wait that long though

Robert Harvey

@enderland IRS says Feb 14th.

enderland

8:55 PM

@RobertHarvey yeah...

Ampt

lol... aka today.

user55340

@enderland call payroll today. If they don't have a plan to fix, call irs tomorrow.

Robert Harvey

How long have you been trying to get it fixed?

enderland

1

Q: What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a company to correct an incorrect W-2?

My previous employer messed up my FSA in 2015 (see this question for more context if you are curious). I have noticed in filing taxes that my W-2 unfortunately is also incorrect, showing FSA contributions matching their mistake. This means it is showing I had a dependent care FSA contribution (a...

united-states taxes w2 form-w-2

Ampt

quit trying to game the HOQ list

:P

enderland

8:56 PM

@RobertHarvey 8 days now

user55340

Then call payroll back and give them the case number at the irs.

enderland

@Ampt that question is like 2 weeks old

Ampt

fixed

enderland

@MichaelT it's not payroll's fault, it's our benefits people who screwed up - and they need to confirm to payroll that my benefits were what they actually were (and not the screwed up version they told payroll)

Ampt

how bad of a code smell is having two $(document).ready blocks...

Robert Harvey

8:57 PM

A contact from the IRS would certainly get their attention.

enderland

I think that is a fast process but the benefits people ~~laid everyone off~~ are too busy

user55340

@enderland payroll/ accounting is the contact.

Robert Harvey

159

Q: Can you have multiple $(document).ready(function(){ ... }); sections?

If I have a lot of functions on startup do they all have to be under one single: $(document).ready(function() { or can I have multiple such statements?

jquery

Kit Z. Fox

@enderland Do you have it documented otherwise, like through pay stubs? The IRS helped me with something similar and having that information was really helpful.

enderland

@KitZ.Fox I think my paystubs are also inaccurate, they made the fix exclusively with my FSA provider I think

Kit Z. Fox

8:59 PM

I see.

Bummer.

enderland

the total FSA amount is right, but it's mostly in the wrong spot on payroll (and my W2)

Ampt

@RobertHarvey I just consolidated them We'll see what happens.

psr

@enderland Simply call the IRS before April 1 and they will correct the mistake by furnishing you a child. If you do not wish to receive a child, simply fill out form 2222 - Request for Twins.

enderland

9:37 PM

heh.

I'm tempted to email the benefits people asking for confirmation so I don't have to call the IRS and complain about them not fixing my W 2

Ampt

@psr I thought that was form N0SLP4U

PreferenceBean

10:02 PM

was about to comment on how gnat hadn't made it to this question yet, but then I realised he'd just forgotten the "recommended reading" prefix so I missed it

@Ampt I dunno ... depends really. The likelihood is that in your application you will have more than one, because each individual script is likely to have at least one. (Whether that in itself is wise is another question — in theory you can avoid it altogether in most cases by putting your code directly at the bottom of the file and allow it to be executed without any further delay, but we'll ignore that here.)

However, more than one in the same file? Unless each exists within a unit of code that could (/should??) be hived off into its own file, i.e. semantically distinct ...... meh, yeah, bit of a code smell I'd say.

But is it unusual? Doubtful.

David Packer

Evening guys and gals. Any of you had a chance or are planing to watch Deadpool?

Ixrec

planning to, not yet

David Packer

When are you going, Ixrec?

PreferenceBean

not planning to, not yet

nothing about any of the promotional material I've seen has me even the slightest bit interested, tbqh

Ixrec

not a clue, have other stuff to worry about atm

PreferenceBean

10:07 PM

I know lots of people gawping all over it but I think that's because they find swearing hilarious

plus, the same people thought The Force Awakens was amazing, so...

Ixrec

The Force Awakens was good

PreferenceBean

oh dear lord

SOMEBODY CALL AN AMBULANCE!!

Ixrec

hardly the best thing ever but fun

PreferenceBean

solid 3/10

Ixrec

I've yet to see or read anything with Deadpool but my exposure to the character thus far leads me to believe I'll enjoy his brand of humor (which I'm fairly sure is more than just swearing)

David Packer

10:09 PM

I'd give it 5/10. It was good movie to chill to, but not the kind of a movie you'd want to see immediately again.

PreferenceBean

well from what I can tell it's swearing with a lot of genital-related jokes thrown in

not puerile and tedious at all

oh my god he made a joke about someone's bum! haw haw!!

Ixrec

if that really is all there is to it I will be disappointed

David Packer

I don't want to spoil anything for Ixrec, needles to say, as a comedy movie, the movie was pretty entertaining.

But there's more to it. The story line from a time perspective is well defined. It's definitely a better movie than the new Star Wars.

Ampt

Have any of the people rating it here read any of the deadpool comics?

Honest question - trying to gauge whether I'm aligned with you guys or not :)

PreferenceBean

in reality I'll probably have to watch it at some point

at the moment I'm on a Flash binge though and I have to say ... though it's no Supergirl, it's a lot more gripping because it has an overarching mystery and I really want to know X, Y, Z

I'm nine-ish episodes in and I'd already go mad over spoilers

David Packer

10:12 PM

I've read like 3, Ampt. Not a huge fan of the genre itself, but I like the movies.

Ixrec

@Ampt I've never read any superhero comics, that's one rabbit hole I'll be putting off for quite a while

PreferenceBean

I'm actually kinda annoyed the first season is so long because it's going to take me at least another four days to get through it all to what I hope is a revelationary season finale

David Packer

Flash is okay-ish.

PreferenceBean

the Arrow connection is a bit frustrating though because it looks like I should really have watched Arrow first - at least, for the first few seasons, then watched them in respective airing order simultaneously

and no way can I wait on Flash to catch up on Arrow now

plus I liked Smallville so I'm not sure I can deal with another Green Arrow just yet

user15026

@DavidPacker I saw it earlier today and thought it was great.

Ixrec

10:14 PM

I'm watching Breaking Bad at the moment. It's pretty good.

</understatement of the century>

PreferenceBean

that's still on my list. been putting it off for years. no idea why.

David Packer

The arrow seasons where the story overlaps with Flash are pretty shitty anyway, @PreferenceBean.

Ixrec

it's not exactly a "fun" show, so there are legit reasons to put it off

PreferenceBean

just don't think I'll like it very much. which is what I said about The West Wing -- now my favourite show -- and Stargate SG-1 -- my favourite franchise sigh

@DavidPacker heh ok good thanks that helps

> Need an extension for Chrome or Mozzarella

David Packer

The first two are good, the rest is garbage.

At least from my point of view. But I heard they might cancel it, because it's losing viewers.

Ixrec

10:15 PM

> Need an extension for Margherita called Pepperoni

David Packer

@AshleyNunn It was not only about cussing, was it? :P

PreferenceBean

omg did they seriously rename Black Canary to White Canary

tell me there's a story reason for that

hmm so there's a Black Canary too, but the White Canary was based on Black Canary

what

David Packer

And White Canary stars in the The Legends of Tomorrow, which seems do be an even bigger dissapointment than season 4 of Arrow :(.

PreferenceBean

oh dear

well it seems I have a lot of catching up to do

it's going to be a busy few weeks

David Packer

I recently started watching Billions, though, starring, among others, brilliant Damian Lewis and it's an amazing series so far.

user55340

10:23 PM

@PreferenceBean the key thing to not needing those comments is getting a good question in the first place. Array with too many elements is a poor question. I don't want to have to write all that again in comments.

user55340

0

Q: Array data structure with too many elements

How would you design a data structure that is an array, but with so many elements such that the array almost fills up the entire RAM?

algorithms data-structures interview

PreferenceBean

meanwhile, Agent Carter S2 is slow but steady and consistently entertaining.... and I'm finally looking forward to Cap 3

@MichaelT Ever noticed how no other site on the entire network seems to have those comments on almost every question?

And that they are still used suggests they don't really accomplish anything?

Granted, it's impossible to tell how many off-topic questions are not being posted :)

David Packer

@PreferenceBean The rules seem a bit strict, but it teaches idiots like me how to ask.

PreferenceBean

The rules are strict on other SE sites too

just getting a bit fed up of the "recommended reading" on 99.99999999999% that's all

even I find it unwelcoming. Me!!!

user15026

@DavidPacker it does have a lot of crude humour and stuff in it but that doesn't bug me.

Ixrec

10:25 PM

because they're all first-time askers who've never seen those comments before and assume that any question about programming is on topic because that's the site name

PreferenceBean

hmm I think my laundry's done (again) - this time I will put it in the dryer rather than forgetting about it and letting it sit getting smelly for five hours....

Ixrec

the only way to stop first timers from posting off-topic or unanswerable stuff is to change the site name or make big changes to the Ask Question page

PreferenceBean

@Ixrec right and we're (quite rightly) back to that :P

enderland

why does even installing Java suck

PreferenceBean

I'll leave you to mull

Ixrec

10:26 PM

yup, you're the one who brought it up again =)

user55340

@PreferenceBean And we can't do either of those. Ask SE to change it.

Ixrec

this is why I never mention it in chat anymore

there is literally nothing to discuss; our current behavior already is the optimal behavior given our limited options

enderland

the "requesting install" brings you to a totally opaque java se development kit page with no explanation for which version to use when/why/how

David Packer

@enderland The installer must check null before doing an operation on any object.

user55340

The best we can do is to politely explain to the user why this is a problem, what the issue with their question is, what they can do to fix it, and set the expectation that it will be closed so they aren't horrendously disappointed later.

enderland

10:27 PM

> $ java --version
No Java runtime present, requesting install.

takes me to that page. like, seriously?

David Packer

Installing on Unix?

enderland

os:X

user55340

brew install java ?

David Packer

When it comes to installations, I'm completely retarded.

user55340

75

Q: How to install java 8 on Mac

I want to do some programming with the latest JavaFX, which requires Java 8. I'm using IntelliJ 13 CE and Mac OS X 9 Mavericks. I ran Oracle's Java 8 installer, and the files look like they ended up at /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk1.8.0_05.jdk but previous versions are at /System/Li...

java osx-mavericks

enderland

10:29 PM

2 mins ago, by enderland

why does even installing Java suck

David Packer

I have very little knowledge.

user55340

216

A: How to install java 8 on Mac

Don't rely on Oracle to install Java properly on your mac. Use HomeBrew. brew tap caskroom/cask brew install brew-cask If you get the error "already installed", follow the instructions to unlink it, then install again: brew unlink brew-cask brew install brew-cask And then finally: brew ca...

enderland

I'll blindly trust that link @MichaelT

user55340

@enderland oh, you think that link is bad? try the install for brew some time.

enderland

@MichaelT heh. brew documentation is... better than it used to be, but... it's still not that great

user55340

10:30 PM

/usr/bin/ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/master/install)";

user55340

Come on... you know you want to. Go download some code off the internet and run it through ruby.

user55340

That said, brew is great.

Ixrec

I totally needed another reason not to fiddle with Java

enderland

brew is so much better now than when I last really used it 5 years ago

PreferenceBean

I should run it as root

enderland

10:31 PM

everything was b0rken then

PreferenceBean

@MichaelT I know you can't. It's bizarre to me that there's obviously a problem and they won't let you make the obvious fix.

But then that's SE all over, isn't it

Ixrec

that would appear to be the case

enderland

no we're the problem, not the name. haven't you heard?

PreferenceBean

I see it daily ;)

you should just quit your job

only solution

wait wrong site

Ixrec

yeah, if it wasn't for that stupid job I wouldn't keep forgetting to spend all 24 of my close votes

enderland

10:33 PM

I already quit 1 job a month ago

PreferenceBean

IRTA moth for some reason

enderland

wow sweet now the brew install seems to have frozen my terminal

PreferenceBean

see I told you you should have run it as root

let's just take a little stroll down memory lane shall we

3 mins ago, by enderland

brew is so much better now than when I last really used it 5 years ago

3 mins ago, by enderland

everything was b0rken then

45 secs ago, by enderland

wow sweet now the brew install seems to have frozen my terminal

ahhh good times

enderland

> $ java --version
Unrecognized option: --version
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.
Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit.

PreferenceBean

lolol

enderland

10:35 PM

we're moving up in the world!

Ixrec

what

PreferenceBean

repro on Win7

java -h works. every other typical combination I tried does not.

enderland

I love that --version kills java, instead of -version. really!? lol

PreferenceBean

apparently it's java -version

enderland

like... you are one of the most well used things and you totally implode on --version instead of -version.

PreferenceBean

10:36 PM

which oracle came up with that one

enderland

but java --version without java installed works fine and says "we need a JRE!"

PreferenceBean

that's almost as dumb as Jimmy

no offence Jimmy

user55340

@PreferenceBean That was sun, not oracle. There are many things that oracle can't do or unbreak because of sun. Like those advertisements? Yea... that was sun getting in a 10 year contract for "install yahoo task bar!" as they were trying to find money.

PreferenceBean

@MichaelT whoosh

Ixrec

today I learned: avoid using Java from the command line

PreferenceBean

10:38 PM

I wish I were drunk

enderland

today you also learned: using Java from command line is easier than the installer

thus, TYL: don't use java

+1 for pointing that. Insane. Can't create Java Virtual Machine because you typed a wrong command/argument. — Raf Sep 1 '14 at 16:12

PreferenceBean

0

A: Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine Mac OSX Mavericks

if you done with java -version command,even though problem can not solved means ,u might installed many java versions like JDK 1.8 or Jdk 1.7. so uninstall all other versions other than u need. and set path variable for that means ur done.

top notch

psr

@PreferenceBean Your highest rating.

PreferenceBean

@psr Nah. Ask me about Oblivion and Gravity

enderland

speaking of hating on brew, it runs make (but not make -j7 or anything like that). :'(

PreferenceBean

10:41 PM

there was another film I adored but I've forgotten what it was now. go figure

oh, Iron Man 3 gets a conservative 8.5/10 from me

Ixrec

as a kid I really loved Wind in the Willows

PreferenceBean

Interstellar probably 9

Ixrec

Casablanca and Citizen Kane were also damn good

oh yeah I saw Interstellar just the other day, I really liked that

PreferenceBean

Spectre 7, Rogue Nation 7, Lucy 8, Genisys 6.5 ... see I can like things

Ixrec

though now I look extra silly for having still not seen The Martian somehow

PreferenceBean

10:42 PM

Martian gets cautious 8 .... clever but somehow I wasn't entirely satisfied

and in the category of low-key movies that you have to think about and will enjoy as long as you didn't expect to be blown away by action and development... Another Earth, Age of Adaline, both high rated too

so you see, I really didn't like TFA

Ixrec

which is seeming stranger by the minute

enderland

I read the book for The Martian, so I'm sure hte movie will be a letdown

PreferenceBean

what's a... "book"?

Ixrec

it's the latest thing since scrolls

enderland

I think all I've done today is a net of upgrading a single version on my machine from 0.0.73 to 1.0.0

PreferenceBean

10:51 PM

@Ixrec lolol

@enderland to be fair that could be like 20 major versions' worth of upgrading. good job!

enderland

yeah we'll go with that

Ixrec

I love how the manual for the book is just a smaller book the guy also can't open

@enderland but do your unit tests still pass?

enderland

@Ixrec I don't have any tests affected by this, I'm trying to run a test which required this update :s

Ixrec

nice

enderland

lol. my team released today too so I had to update to that, too, lol. it took me long enough to update my other version that I was too slow on the next version :(

Ixrec

11:00 PM

tomorrow: figure out how to make Jenkins jobs that can do these updates for me

enderland

eh, its more initial system config

enderland is only on day 11

Ixrec

tomorrow: save this initial config to a VM so I can skip the first day of nonsense on my next greenfield project

PreferenceBean

@Ixrec well this is no hospital, and TJ is noooo Doctor.

Flash time. back in a flash

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