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12:29 AM
@MichaelT Because of its name?
 
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@RobertHarvey yep.
 
That is fairly ironic.
 
12:43 AM
@Ampt Asking obscure Computer Science coding questions (a la GeeksForGeeks) to skim off "superstar" programmers is the fashion of the day, especially among companies like Google and Amazon.
I still haven't taken Amazon's HackerRank test, even though they keep hounding me to do it.
Congrats on the boat.
 
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12:57 AM
@RobertHarvey Its a hole in the water you throw money in...
 
"Don't be the guy who owns the boat, be the guy with the friend who owns the boat."
 
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Actually, be friends with the guy who has the job of ferrying yachts up and down the pacific coast.
 
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(back in Cali, met a guy who had that job... moving boats from Seattle to San Francisco to San Diego)
 
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Aside, Lake Michigan has some significant ship construction facilities.
 
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@RobertHarvey is hacker rank becoming the standard for problem solving?
 
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Or for... well... its not a small ship...
 
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USS Freedom (LCS 1) is the lead ship of the Freedom class of littoral combat ships (LCS). She is the third vessel of the United States Navy to be so named for the concept of freedom. She is the design competitor produced by the Lockheed Martin consortium, in competition with the General Dynamics-designed USS Independence. She was officially accepted by the Supervisor of Shipbuilding Gulf Coast on behalf of the US Navy from the Lockheed Martin/Marinette Marine/Gibbs and Cox team in Marinette, Wisconsin on 18 September 2008. She is designed for a variety of missions in shallow waters, capable against...
 
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> Lockheed Martin/Marinette Marine/Gibbs and Cox team in Marinette, Wisconsin
 
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The fun part is getting such a ship out to sea.
 
1:09 AM
@overexchange Not necessarily, but they have a platform where employers can compose pre-interview code screenings.
@MichaelT How much does one of those go for?
 
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Remember the fun of the route from the Great Lakes out to the ocean...
 
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@RobertHarvey palmerjohnson.com/72m - I bet you've got to call for a quote. It will go for as much as you're willing to pay.
 
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The Welland Canal is a ship canal in Ontario, Canada, connecting Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. Traversing the Niagara Peninsula from Port Weller to Port Colborne, the canal forms a key section of the St. Lawrence Seaway, enabling ships to ascend and descend the Niagara Escarpment and bypass Niagara Falls. Approximately 40,000,000 tonnes of cargo are carried through the Welland Canal annually by a traffic of about 3,000 ocean and Great Lakes vessels. This canal was a major factor in the growth of the city of Toronto. The original canal and its successors allowed goods from Great Lakes ports such as...
 
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1:13 AM
@RobertHarvey one company from Vancouver asked me for such screening as my first round of interview
It is a start up company
 
1:39 AM
I feel like this question is better suited for Programmers StackExchange. Also, be aware that it's a question that will likely attract highly-opinionated answers and may be closed for this reason. You might have to re-word it so that it can be answered more directly. — Rowan Freeman 16 secs ago
 
2:04 AM
@MichaelT oh what ever. we spent less than what my computer costs on this thing and it floats and has plenty of power. Even you're turning into a cynic at heart.
 
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@Ampt Ahh... so that dingy with "free" spray painted on the side?
 
I recommend you post this on Programmers. — EBrown 56 secs ago
 
@MichaelT All I hear is "Being around Jimmy so long has caused my heart to collapse into it's own mini-black hole."
 
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@Ampt Just don't search for "Japan artist boat"
 
I would question where you find all this stuff not to google, but I'm assuming it comes with your Cynics Anonymous token.
 
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@MichaelT I'm so over reddit. Trying Voat.co, but it's constantly down
they're working on spinning up more capacity
 
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2:27 AM
@Ampt in all seriousness about boats... there's a museum thats on my list of places to go: wisconsinmaritime.org/index.php
 
@MichaelT yeah, well, I hope it sinks before you get there.
 
@MichaelT what have you done
 
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@enderland I suggested a boat he should get... he's just mad at me for wondering if he got that free dingy that I've seen on the side of the road.
 
@MichaelT now I'm looking at /r/NotTheOnion
 
@Ampt geez, you sound so cynical, he just trynig to help. Lighten up butter cup
 
2:29 AM
@JimmyHoffa oh, coming from you :P
 
May 19 '14 at 15:56, by Jimmy Hoffa
I'm helping.
 
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The other ships that I'd be interested in are the tall ships.
 
@overexchange Do the warmup exercises on HackerRank before you take the screening.
If you have time, do some of the Data Structures and string exercises as well.
 
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Jul 12 '13 at 14:44, by Ampt
I think we may disagree on the meaning of the word "Helping" hahaha
 
2:32 AM
@MichaelT Is that @ampt's new boat?
 
Yes. Only mine fits in a bottle.
 
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Noun: helping (plural helpings)
  1. (countable) A portion or serving, especially of food that one takes for oneself, or to which one helps oneself;
  2. (figuratively, countable) An amount or quantity
Verb: helping
  1. Present participle of help....
 
It's going to be hard standing on the deck then, unless you have one of those "Honey I shrunk the kids" machines.
 
@RobertHarvey he's just going to sit on the bottle while drinking a six pack and enjoying the sun; such is the way with these things I understand
 
If you must know, it's an '88 Sea Ray SeVille
 
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> He’s a ship in a bottle washed in by the tide. He smokes cheap cigars, swears at the seagulls, laughs at the big boats filled with rich folks on the quay, walks down by the beach in his long pants and Sunday shoes, throws sticks to his dog, Clementine, and breathes in the day.
And they call him the captain, and they claim he’s half-crazy. He don’t give a damn; people, they’ll say what they say. He goes fishing with no bait attached to give them more to talk about, in the fog with his dog on a bench by the bay.
 
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The question is, is that about Ampt, or Robert?
 
I don't own a boat.
 
but you have the crazy part down
 
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And the "He don't give a damn"
 
2:39 AM
Really? I thought @JimmyHoffa would have better fit that description.
 
no, he's very sensitive about his hipster heritage, remember?
 
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But Jimmy wouldn't go fishing with no bait attached to give them more to talk about.
 
Is that a veiled reference to my going to work for the Aussies in Anaheim?
 
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Nope. I'm just picturing someone smoking cheap cigars and swearing at seagulls.
 
Oh yeah, that's me.
 
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2:42 AM
Btw, don't forget - Black Tot Day is coming up.
 
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Black Tot Day (July 31, 1970) is the name given to the last day on which the Royal Navy issued sailors with a daily rum ration (the daily tot). In the 17th century the daily drink ration for English sailors was a gallon of beer. Due to the difficulty in storing the large quantities of liquid that this required in 1655 a half pint of rum was made equivalent and became preferred to beer. Over time drunkenness on board naval vessels increasingly became a problem and the ration was formalised in naval regulations by Admiral Edward Vernon in 1740 and ordered to be mixed with water in a 4:1 water to...
 
for anybody ever interested: Hands down the best tv media streamer box ever. Period. Does hulu and netflix flawlessly with netflix profiles, and plays every media type directly from NTFS shares you can imagine, no need for plex or any other devices to decode; decodes everything itself. Only missing amazon instant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_TV#WD_TV_Live_Streaming_.28WD_TV_Live_3rd_Gen.29 but you have to get *that one*, the 3 or 4 other models with nearly identical names don't have all the features for whatever stupid reason...
 
I'm all about that Chromecast
 
Was just looking around to see if there's anything better out there because I've had mine for a while, turns out nope. WD doesn't make these anymore but people are selling used ones for as much as these ran new when they were first released, because no other device meets their feature set short of a computer
 
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Rats... we missed celebrating Canadian black tot day.
 
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2:44 AM
> March 31, 1972 was the final day of the rum ration in the Royal Canadian Navy;
 
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@Ampt remember though, booze and boats don't mix.
 
@MichaelT what kind of boats have you been on?
 
@MichaelT I prefer relatively expensive cigars to be sure. Used to love these:
 
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@Ampt Canoe, kayak.
 
I could see how that would be an issue, yes. Such as: Where do you put the cooler!
 
2:46 AM
@Ampt haven't you seen the aluminum can commercials? You just hang them in the water
damn, can't find that silly commercial anywhere...why they made a commercial for cans I don't know...
 
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@JimmyHoffa It took them 3 generations to get it right. I have a 1st generation box sitting in a box in the garage somewhere... It seemed like they half-completed the product design, hoping that flash updates would take up the slack (they didn't). I went to a Samsung Bluray streaming player instead.
 
@RobertHarvey yeah, I've been through I think 2? maybe 3? streaming dvd/bluray things, and 2 rokus over the years, this device is barnone the best. Yeah I understand the older models of the WDTV weren't so great, and I think all the trouble it took them to get it right soured them which is why they haven't touched the media player market in years now. But the one time they got it right, they did so better than any other..
my current bluray players is one of those samsung ones, they work quite well. Actually I wonder if it does Amazon Instant Video since I have prime and have never tried their video service..
 
3:01 AM
It should... It supports a number of streaming services, including Hulu.
 
 
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5:15 AM
Yo, whats a good word/phrase for a web page that appears inside an outlook plugin?
that web page is a critical part of the plugin functionality...
 
 
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9:36 AM
@RobertHarvey yes am investing two months of time from now, to learn DS & algo using java and do problem solving in hacker rank. I would need your help, amidst this activity in future run. as of now I learnt what is list and dictionary with small problem exercises
 
10:30 AM
@AmitSoni I imagine the reason for the downvotes is that your question is a tad broad, and it does not show any research effort. We strongly prefer specific questions over broad ones, and we really appreciate it when people show us in their questions that they've done all they could do to solve their own problem. — Yannis ♦ yesterday
flagged: rude or offensive
 
10:52 AM
I read "tad broad" as "tard brad" and got offended. Maybe the flagger did as well ;)
I miss the word "retard." It has a nice sound to it. It's too bad it got abused for so long because its literal sense is innocuous and often useful in conversation. I'm too much of a wuss to use it though.
 
 
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12:13 PM
darn frontend lib has static constructors, can't unit test them without GWTTestCase
 
 
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1:48 PM
@MichaelT is today an on-day for you or an off day?
 
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@durron597 Off. Playing with that KoTH from code golf - the liars dice game.
 
@MichaelT I wanted to ask you when you were on your computer instead of mobile... would you be interested in joining the Tropic Euro dev team?
 
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@durron597 I'm going to say "not at this time"
 
I just wanted to let everyone know that my time/availability will be limited from today through next week. I'm moving to a new apartment on Tuesday and will be in various states of packing and unpacking through Wednesday, then back to work after 3 days off on Thursday.
 
@MichaelT It's not as big of a commitment as you might think.
> it may be that we could build up a team of say 5 or 6 people, and at various points in future some of the team may be able to commit some more time, and busy with other projects at other times (edited)
but hopefully with at least 1 or 2 people active at any time doing a bit of part time work, to keep project moving along at slow but steady pace
That is from the guy who runs it
I've been "on" the team for two months and I just haven't really had much time at all
@ThomasOwens Can you loan me your diamond for a week? I'll give it back
 
2:03 PM
@durron597 No, I need to make sure my diamond arrives safely in the new apartment.
 
@ThomasOwens But I have a handcuff secure briefcase
 
Are you volunteering to help pack, move boxes, and unpack?
 
@ThomasOwens If by "help" you mean "provide moral support" then yes
Go Thomas Owens! You can do it! I believe in you!
 
Fortunately, I have movers. And my new apartment has an elevator.
 
@ThomasOwens Heh. You're talking to the guy who lived on the 20th floor and used the stairs half the time
But, you're right, I did use the elevator when I moved in and out.
 
2:09 PM
I intend on using the stairs most of the time. Just not when moving things.
And maybe not after grocery shopping, either. Although I only live on the 3rd floor or a 5 floor building.
 
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@durron597 you can still order a pizza for him with the moral support.
 
@MichaelT True. Okay, @ThomasOwens you loan me your diamond for a week and I buy you a pizza. With or without anchovies?
 
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Btw, Dungeons of Dredmor is in the steam Sale, 50% (so its $2.49 now).
 
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and @durron597 humblebundle.com/weekly
 
@MichaelT Someone told me that not all of the deals in the Steam sale are good. Sometimes, companies will mark up the prices before, then offer some insane "discount" that isn't much better than the normal price.
 
2:12 PM
@MichaelT Ooh, X-Com sale.
 
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@ThomasOwens Dredmor is a great rouge like game. I can dig up the history in the past where I've mentioned the price.
 
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And $2.49 is a steal for that game.
 
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With the additional expansions, $3.49.
 
Oh man, Crusader Kings 2 is on sale
 
@MichaelT I don't know if that particular game developer does it.
 
2:13 PM
That's the one game I really wanted to buy
 
Darklands is a great game, it is at the humblebundle
 
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I could imagine some do... but Dredmor is a very consistent price: dungeonsofdredmor.com/#buy-starter
 
2:44 PM
@ThomasOwens The only one that I've heard of doing that is GTA:V - they make it a part of a bundle so no matter what you get, you have to pay at least 60 bucks in order to get the game. Seems pretty lame if you ask me.
oooh metro bundle for 10 bucks
I liked those games a lot.
 
@durron597 I don't go there because I find the site to be f-ing stupid
but that's just me :)
 
@enderland I vote to close that chat comment as duplicate
 
so the peer feedback I got from my previous team was pretty good (after getting it finally)
too bad what I'm doing now is boring as hell
 
@enderland I had an idea last night
 
@durron597 :)
 
3:43 PM
I don't need so much to plan exactly what I'm going to do as much as a log of that I'm doing it.
 
My plan is doubling as a log
 
I need to start stretching every single day.
Would you want a column on that sheet? The problem with sharing a sheet is that you can really only use single columns real estate.
If my cats can manage to stretch every day I should do it too!
 
I have been stretching after running, it's amazing how much more flexible I feel in that after literally 5 times
 
4:23 PM
@jonrsharpe Migrate to programmers.stackexchange.com? — James Lu 13 secs ago
 
@Duga @ThomasOwens Isn't that on topic for stack overflow?
 
@durron597 I'd close it everywhere.
 
@ThomasOwens Why is this question of mine on topic but his question is not?
 
@durron597 It's not that it's not on-topic. It is on-topic.
There are other reasons for closure. Do what you did - profile first.
 
@JamesLu No, this question is on topic for Stack Overflow; it should not be migrated to Programmers. — durron597 29 secs ago
 
4:33 PM
Don't forget - people are expected to try to solve their own problem. First, determine if something is a problem. If it is, try to solve it on your own. When you ask about it, say what you've done. In the not-your question, there was no attempt made to see if (1) the performance between the three mattered or (2) profile the code and share results.
I voted to close as unclear.
 
He did profile the code; he posted a self answer with his profiling.
 
That's not a good example of a self answer.
In this case, the work to answer the question was the work needed to be able to ask a good question, therefore the question isn't a good fit.
 
@ThomasOwens I see what you're saying, I don't agree that's enough to close an on-topic question
 
@durron597 Why not? It's a low quality question. Low quality questions that don't demonstrate research or usefulness to others should be closed.
 
4:48 PM
maybe it doesn't matter, but isn't that the type of question where a downvote is more appropriate than a close vote?
 
And so (re)begins the holy war of SE... should questions of questionable motivation/effort be closed or not...
 
I keep trying to articulate an opinion on that point but I think any coherent debate would have to be done in the form of essays/blog posts rather than chat messages
there's just too many kinds of effort/motivation/usefulness that have to be separated somehow
 
5:08 PM
what the hell kind of command line tool uses "bye" as their "exit"
 
@enderland ftp
 
@durron597 I... know this too well now
nothing like debuging FTP issues to get you excited on a Friday!
 
@enderland wait until you have to write a script that automatically sends files over SFTP but they won't let you set up a shared key
 
@durron597 my problem is I can use the FTP DOS tool fine, but can't script WinSCP using the same info for some reason
 
Me: "How do you expect me to do this?" Counterparty: "I don't know, figure it out" Me, Two days later: "Ok I finally figured it out, I taught myself Expect and TCL to do it" Them: "Another customer of ours has the same problem, can you send them the script?"
@enderland Can't help ya, never used WinSCP
 
5:14 PM
@durron597 it has a scripting interface which I assume just calls FTP
but... this doesn't work the same
 
wait, is WinSCP anything like linux's scp
 
I think so?
I'm not sure what it does
 
somwhat, you can use scp, but support ftp and sftp, like.. filezilla
it does use linux scp
 
the syntax is all the same as FTP though
@André oh, hrrm. that was not my assumption
 
it opens a ssh connection
 
5:16 PM
scp is different than sftp
 
as far I recall
 
so my winscp script opens a ftp:// connection
... but has a ssh key
enderland is learning more about this than I ever wanted to know
 
@enderland why are you using winscp at all?
 
@durron597 I am trying to script copying a file
 
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@durron597 woah, what? Is there something wrong with WinSCP?
 
5:18 PM
previous people were using WinSCP.com which has a command line interface to execute a script with configuration details
 
on windows, use FileZilla for file transfers you're doing manually and use cygwin and cron and an actual bash script for ones you're doing automatically.
@Snowman I don't know, I've never heard of it, but FileZilla is amazing
 
@durron597 I have to run it on windows - it'll be triggered from a batch thing on a machine which doesn't have cygwin
FileZilla works for my manual purposes
 
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@durron597 I have been using WinSCP for years for SFTP on Windows. I am not automating anything, just drag and drop to a remote host.
 
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FileZilla is cool too, but either one serves my purpose. I do not transfer a ton of files
 
5:20 PM
@durron597 "documentation." :) Yeah, it is very basic
 
Trying to do automatic anything without access to Vixie's cron is out of my experience. I wish I could help you further, sorry
 
I guess I could just use ftp.exe
 
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If I were going to automate anything at home it would be on my Kubuntu box, not Windows ;-)
 
it looks like you can pass a textfile of information to FTP.exe as well
 
5:41 PM
Disney decided to pass. Probably just as well.
> I've received the feedback of your interview and the client thinks that you have a lot of knowledge in .Net and also are very experienced, but unfortunately, they've decided to continue the process with other candidates.
 
how long you have on the other one?
they wanted you to start monday right?
 
Yep.
Funny thing about Glendale (where the Disney interview was)... Something doesn't feel right when you first go there. It takes awhile to figure it out, but then you realize what it is: all of the buildings are turned 90 degrees sideways.
 
sideways relative to what?
 
"I know this must be the front of the building, so where is the fucking door?"
 
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The door, that is what I figured
 
5:45 PM
My wife thinks that some real-estate magnate or politician who owns half of Glendale decided he didn't like to see the front of all the buildings, so there's some kind of ordinance. Sure enough, it does make for clean lines, but it's really disorienting initially.
 
oofda, time to write my goodbye letter and wipe my chrome on this box and salute my way out of here
 
Do you have to expose yourself to do that?
Congrats on the new job.
 
@RobertHarvey thanks
 
Anyway, the address that I went to for the interview actually looked like the front was the front. But the front door (which was a security door) opened into the lunchroom.
And it wasn't the right address anyway; I had to go somewhere else where the main door was an unmarked door that looked like a maintenance hatch, on the side of the building, not the front.
 
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@RobertHarvey They probably had the architect equivalent of The Brillant Paula Bean design that building.
 
5:50 PM
Seriously, I think it was a deliberate design choice. The area is quite clean and tidy otherwise; it just looks wrong. It's very off-putting; just one more example of "nothing in LA works."
Before the interview, I had to use the restroom, and the GPS said that the Home Depot was just down the street. You can't find it until you pass it and see the sign in the rear view mirror, because it's turned sideways. Largest Home Depot I'd ever seen, probably 3x the size of the one in Lancaster.
After that, I still had some time to kill, so I decided to get some coffee. The GPS said there was a Starbucks around the corner. There was. There's a sign on the side of the building, along with five other signs for the other establishments there, and a wheelchair ramp leading up to a door that's locked from the inside.
You have to walk around the building to get in...
... and I thought to myself at that moment: "I hate Glendale."
In other news, I was in a hotel the other day having breakfast, and the waiter said to me "Do you want white or brown toast?"
I said "All toast is brown, you're thinking of bread."
 
heh
 
white bread is a thing, brown bread is not a thing.
 
lol
 
for example, pumpernickel bread is quite different than wheat, but they're both brown.
 
It's a British joke. They have white and brown pudding there too.
 
5:58 PM
I get asked white vs brown toast all the time here in the UK
 
@Ixrec oh you crazy brits.
It must go with the territory of liking javascript
 
I haven't bothered to figure out which kind of brown it is yet
 
What's wrong with Javascript? Other than everything?
 
admittedly British white bread and American white bread are also very different things
 
2 days ago, by durron597
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