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@MichaelT You can watch videos at work but not access stack exchange chat?

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4:14 PM

Videos and steaming on phone - not desktop.

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And phones aren't on internal wifi. But I have the original unlimited data plan still.

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Late to the party but added a close vote. This question is probably better suited for programmers.stackexchange. — Kratz 51 secs ago

heh so basically republic wireless would never work there :(

Duga

@Kratz this is off-topic at Programmers.SE as well. We do not offer legal advice or support for app stores. Please read: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow. — Snowman 50 secs ago

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My office does not have wifi at all, and I get terrible phone reception. I can receive push notifications through the SE app but can't actually load the questions and certainly cannot use chat.

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4:20 PM

Three bars lte.

@Snowman we have an internal wifi just for employee devices

which is nice

@ThomasOwens In model-driven engineering, using UML class_diagrams/seq_diag/use_case_diagrams are all models. Is that correct? Does this model terminology only constrained to UML diagrams? Does it extend to coding phase etc...?

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@enderland Remember, I work for the government. We can't have anyone stealing secrets.

@overexchange Yes, they are all models. Most MDE tools that I've seen tend toward UML as the modeling notation, but some support other notations as well (like BPMN or ER).

@Snowman Just hacking into planes via the entertainment wifi, that's all

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4:27 PM

@durron597 If you look past the media sensationalism, two of three of the following screwed up: FAA, FBI, Chris Roberts

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Take your pick.

@Snowman three of three?

@ThomasOwens class_diagram make sense to call as model, but seq_diagram is just executon sequence on time line and use_case has roles and actions, so Is it relevant to call seq/use case/package diagrams as models?

how dumb is it to put the plane's wifi on the same network as the entertainment wifi? you can make the plane's computers unhackable by HAVING TWO NETWORKS

you don't need encryption. you don't need firewalls.

I highly doubt that one can take control of an aircraft through the entertainment system. They should, if the aircraft was designed right, be two totally isolated networks. If anything, there could be a guard that lets data flow outward from the control system to the entertainment system to do things like display the plane's position, altitude, and speed on a map.

@overexchange Yes. What do you think the definition of "model" is?

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4:29 PM

If there truly was a threat, the FAA would have issued an advisory. The FBI of course wants to trump up charges and look important. And Roberts is a loudmouthed jackass.

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According to Boeing avionics experts, there are separate networks

@ThomasOwens Why would Chris Roberts lie about that? Either he did it, and he's not lying, or he didn't, and he's risking going to prison for a very long time for a cause that doesn't exist

@durron597 I don't know what he has to gain. Are there likely to be security issues in an aircraft? Yeah, probably. It's a complex system. But I'd be more concerned about insider threats than external hackers.

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The biggest threats are always from within

Insiders being the crew, flight operations, and even vendors to various subsystems.

4:31 PM

has anyone here built their own home? curious how that experinece went

@ThomasOwens Suicidal copilots deciding to crash the plane into the alps for no reason?

@enderland I've played The Sims

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@durron597 I am sure he had a reason. Try descrambling his brains and asking him.

@durron597 thats not quite what I was getting at. :P

wiki:

The conceptual model attempts to clarify the meaning of various, usually ambiguous terms, and ensure that problems with different interpretations of the terms and concepts cannot occur.

@enderland No wai!!!

4:32 PM

@overexchange And any type of visual representation of a software system can do that.

Sometimes, it's easy to look at the code and find issues. Sometimes, you look at a class diagram. Sometimes a sequence or activity diagram. Sometimes a state diagram. Sometimes a combination of things.

ok

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@enderland I'd strongly suggest looking at prefab houses unless you have all the necessary experience for plumbing, electrical and such.

but here it says, class_diagram as conceptual model.

A conceptual model can be described using various notations, such as UML, ORM or OMT for object modelling. In UML notation, the conceptual model is often described with a **class diagram** in which classes represent concepts, associations represent relationships between concepts and role types of an association represent role types taken by instances of the modelled concepts in various situations.

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... Or live out where the home inspection is just a formality.

@MichaelT I guess that's a good point

I suppose you could purchase a home you have built, too

4:37 PM

@overexchange Where is "here"? Because I don't agree with that statement.

which I'm sure is more expensive

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(My parents do... You can file the permits to add a deck, attach the deck, roof the deck, enclose the deck, and make it into a room of the house on the same day.

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@enderland given Midwest designhomes.com

wiki says here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_model_(computer_science)

> Go over to the courthouse and get a plat book if you are looking for land in the country. Then go for a Sunday drive every once in a while looking for land that appeals to you. If you see something interesting, look it up in the plat book, find out who owns it, and contact them. Sometimes a farmer will have owned the land for many years and when he finds out he can get $2,000 an acre for land that he bought for $150 per acre--he'll sell some to you. It works.

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4:38 PM

Priced quite reasonable designhomes.com/products.html

this is genius

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Built in prairie du chien.

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@enderland depends on zoning. The township my parents are in now have minimum lot / division size of 10 acres.

@overexchange I understand what that article is saying. I'm getting at something much more basic.

@MichaelT also depends on what you want, I'd love to live on 10+ acres of "subpar farmland" (ie trees/hilly) in the country ;)

4:41 PM

I'm using the dictionary definition of model: "a simplified representation of a system or phenomenon, as in the sciences or economics, with any hypotheses required to describe the system or explain the phenomenon, often mathematically."

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They bought 3 acres back when that was the limit in the 70s. Trees on a hill side.

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Question is do you want to spend 20k on land.

sure

this is all somewhat theoretical right now

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I'd still look at design homes for the house.

you mean a model of new WTC building on a paper/graphic, for example?

4:44 PM

@MichaelT yeah. I guess I don't even know terminology :s

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@enderland and if you can't find a nearby show... Lot. The drive to prairie du chien is a nice weekend.

@MichaelT the idea of buying land from a farmer by contacting them directly is pretty awesome

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As I said, depends on local town zoning. Make sure you know you can buy what you want.

yeah

we're a ways out yet from actually buying something

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Go for the drive and look at the model homes.

4:46 PM

thanks for that linnk though

it looks like a decent plan

all the custom builders we looked at are like 250k+ minimum

I don't understand what the development-environment is supposed to mean. One thing it definitely isn't is a synonym of ide

@durron597 think docker/containers

or managed environments for development

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There is a old bias against the double wide prefab "trailer" type house. These are not those at all.

though I'd be surprised if that's what the majority of the questions are about

@MichaelT yeah that was my initial reaction, then reading it I realized that's not at all the case

@enderland there are only 70ish of them. No tag wiki.

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4:49 PM

@enderland glance at the gallery: designhomes.com/gallery.html

If this question was edited to emphasize and be retitled Is there any real world application to the MIPS architecture? would it be on topic?

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Too broad.

I suppose the answer would have to be edited as well

@ThomasOwens one nice link: youtube.com/… would be helpful

@MichaelT I think that's the sort of thing we probably would and should do

4:51 PM

@MichaelT Any way to narrow it further while still being "aggressive edit" as opposed to "totally different question"?

... someday at least :)

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5:03 PM

@enderland Do you live in an apartment or house now?

@GlenH7 we're in a 1BR apartment. lol

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Buy or rent for your first one or two houses then

Yeah we will

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reason being - there's a huge number of design decisions that you have to make when building a house

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And you have a minimal frame of reference for making those decisions

5:05 PM

This is still probably 3-5 years out (probably?)

but since I'm an obsessive researcher...

@GlenH7 yeah

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By owning for a bit, you get to "live your research" and figure out what works and doesn't work for you in your family configuration.

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I nearly built a house on my own. Had a co-worker who had already done so.

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It's a helluva lot of work

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Framing the house can be reasonably accomplished if you have some friends who will help you

I think someday I'd love to do that sort of stuff too, perhaps for a cabin or something... easier

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5:07 PM

For any of the systems work, you really better know what you're doing before you go down that path

not sure we'd be willing to go through the 100% DIY learning curve

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Electrical is easy to frak up; plumbing is even easier.

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Waste lines are a whole other conversation....

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So, buy your first one or two houses premade

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do some renovations on those

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5:08 PM

then figure out if you like that sort of thing; what size your family is currently at (ie. available time); and then determine if you really want to go down that road

neither of us really want to buy someplace without intending on living there for sometime... which is kind of a catch 22 when it comes to this

I think part of it will depend on pricing too whenever we want to buy

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Even just being the general contractor for a house is a lot of work and you don't even get your hands dirty