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Human Resource Machine - Official Trailer #1

Bushmills single malt is officially as smooth as I thought it would be. Been eyeing it for years since gaining an appreciation for bushmills, just bought a bottle for the first time.

has a pleasant sweet undertone I didn't expect

user55340

12:29 AM

worse is better c2

user55340

Worse is better

Worse is better, also called New Jersey style, was conceived by Richard P. Gabriel to describe the dynamics of software acceptance, but it has broader application. The idea is that quality does not necessarily increase with functionality. There is a point where less functionality ("worse") is a preferable option ("better") in terms of practicality and usability. Software that is limited, but simple to use, may be more appealing to the user and market than the reverse. As to the oxymoronic title, Gabriel calls it a caricature, declares the style "bad" in comparison with "The Right Thing". However...

whatsisname

1:06 AM

fandango you suck

Duga

1:42 AM

@RyanChong If for no other reason then you are basically trying to start a flame war (especially with your... very clear opinions about Microsoft). That is also why this question is off-topic here (and probably at Programmers). — BradleyDotNET 17 secs ago

This is not a 'give me an application' site, but if you are after direction then follow SO guidlines. Context, clear current output vs expected output, a concise and proven problem, share relevant code. stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask. For an abstract like this, maybe ask on programmers.stackexchange.com, else find code, get stuck, ask for specific help and prove prior effort. — Daniel Brose 25 secs ago

This is not a 'give me an application' site, but if you are after direction then follow SO guidlines. Context, clear current output vs expected output, a concise and proven problem, share relevant code. stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask. For an abstract like this, maybe ask on programmers.stackexchange.com, else find code out there (there will be some open source or tutorial code around), get stuck, ask for specific help and prove prior effort. — Daniel Brose 49 secs ago

user55340

2:15 AM

@AshleyNunn instagram.com/p/7TZ6RKEaTC

user15026

@MichaelT haha so cute.

user15026

My sister used to have a harness and leash for her cat but since he got attacked by her landlord's dogs he doesn't get to go outside anymore

user55340

That instigram account has husky and cat photos / video clips. The cat thinks she's a dog.

user55340

btw, good programming game by makers of World of Goo - Human Resource Machine.

user114359

2:31 AM

@MichaelT Is that a sequel? I played the first one years ago

user55340

@Snowman Same world... you're working in Tomorrow Corporation.

user55340

►

user114359

@MichaelT hah, nifty. Looks like it has a similar feel but with humans, not goo.

user55340

With code

user114359

That looks like it beats the pants off of any of those "teach children to code by dragging and dropping" programs.

user55340

2:38 AM

Yep. And there are code optimization puzzles in there too that are tricky even for coders.

user114359

Even if it is basically "drag and drop coding" it is office satire

user114359

Ugh. Every time I read an article about some random shmuck like Bill Gates saying that children need to learn to code in public school I throw up in my mouth. But this looks nifty. Is it on steam? I'm starting it up now and patching for the third time this week as we speak...

user55340

store.steampowered.com/app/375820

user114359

I see it now

user114359

Steam has the same trailer as on Youtube

user55340

2:41 AM

@Snowman The thing with "hour of code" and whatnot is that it isn't actually about solving problems and challenges... its about "hey, look, I made a web page..."

user114359

@MichaelT HTML "programming" makes me die a little bit on the inside.

user114359

"HTML Programming" == "Look I made a Word document, I haz computer science!"

user55340

Do some non-trivial excel functions, then we'll talk... but yea.

user114359

Why do you think I said Word, not Excel? I think there is a strong argument that some of those Excel macros require true programming expertise. While not "real" programs they can get quite complex.

user114359

macros and formulas

user55340

2:43 AM

Excel formulas are a functional programming language laid out on a cartesian grid.

user114359

Some of the spreadsheets my wife deals with at her job make me scratch my head, and I have a long list of CS credentials.

user55340

But don't tell people... they might start asking to write html pages too once they learn they are programmers.

user114359

@MichaelT have you tried Little Inferno by the same developers? Looks like I picked it up in a Humble Bundle and never realized it

user55340

@Snowman Not yet.

user114359

@MichaelT Looks like a demented, flammable opera

user55340

3:42 AM

Happy ~~nectar~~ coffee day! nytimes.com/2015/10/19/science/…

user114359

3:58 AM

@Snowman, if u know the answer , please answer .Dont judge others answer, its the duty of the one who ask question, and read my answer twice you will get to know which is faster. — Anirudh 36 secs ago

user114359

There is nothing more I can say without being nice

user114359

Low-quality answer that does not answer the question, followed by ragequit:

Robert Harvey

4:53 AM

in Charcoal HQ, Mar 13 at 2:36, by Andy

> When people ask me "Plz" just because it's shorter than "Please" I feel perfectly justified to answer "No" because it's shorter than "Yes"

Robert Harvey

5:33 AM

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

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Interesting bot.

It's catching an active spammer right now.

Duga

11:47 AM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is not about programming as defined in the help-center. (Maybe try "programmers" stack exchange? SOME career-type questions are on topic there iirc but please CHECK in their help center what questions are on topic before asking) — Chris Beck 45 secs ago

12:52 PM

Happy Coffee Day

Drawbacks of being sick on the day you normally go to the office, you don't get your nice mouse when you work from home the next day. :(

1:10 PM

my work from home mouse is far superior to my office mouse

because it's mine.

also, people in the workplace being butthurt that I called someone crazy in meta is annoying.

Not a SE someone, someone referenced in a question.

@Telastyn it's TWP, butthurt is their thing, if it weren't they wouldn't be on TWP

yeh

"ohhhhh, that's not professional!"

welcome to the Internet bub.

@enderland my home mouse has no forward navigation button, otherwise it has backwards navigation just like my work mouse and is therefore almost just as functional

@JimmyHoffa I have a really nice ergo mouse at work

@enderland bleh. Who cares. Stop using mice

1:13 PM

:)

When did all of computing people decide to start using mice constantly for bloody everything? Is it a side effect from all the touch screens? I honestly hardly use my mouse when I'm working

I've always used my mouse for stuff

even back in the vi days, it was running in an ssh terminal, so the mouse did everything else.

wtf my company is going to require me to have a company issued cell phone device for all travel? even if I go 3 hours to a nearby location? this is stupid

@Telastyn maybe it's a generational thing? It seems for devs/super users, using mice was strongly and succesfully avoided for a long time in the past. Perhaps it's just the generation of computer users

naw, I remember devs poo-pooing me for using mice like 10 years ago. "ohh, you could be so much more productive by memorizing these 3 dozen esoteric keyboard combinations!"

1:16 PM

I hate using the mouse too and I'm a "youngin" but.. too many programs aren't setup that way anymore, and while you can use vi/vim/emacs most gui programs require the mouse (anyone who makes gui apps without easy accelerator keys should be shot)

integrating new hot keys and things into my workflow takes a little fiddling and getting it wrong at first, but after a day or two it's completely natural and the result is I'm much quicker about doing things

computer input is not my limiting factor in productivity.

@Telastyn I agree, but as I've gotten more and more used to not using the mouse, it just seems sooo sloowww now

I used to be a heavy mouse user as well until a few years ago I made a concerted effort to start learning more keyboard hot keys in the applications I use, it's like crack once you start getting used to it

shrug

I thought it would be a lot harder to get used to using them than it is. Or at least, after you start getting used to picking them up, it becomes easier to pick up new ones

1:21 PM

I like using keyboard shortcuts because you get into a... flow almost, where you aren't jolted out by having to use the mouse or move your hand

@Telastyn @GlenH7 @RobertHarvey @enderland and anyone else, have any of you taken a look at this new cross-platform Visual Studio Code editor they created to compete with Atom/sublime/vi/etc

looks pretty neat, definitely worth keeping in the back of your mind as a free option that claims to have solid .NET support

enderland wants a .NET IDE :)

isn't that what VS should be?

lol

I had not.

1:23 PM

@ratchetfreak depends who you talk to. The entire industry of .NET developers are convinced behemoth tractors are the best tools because they can build huge things with them which is what they've done their entire careers.

since I write C# on a bunch of windows machines

I got a chill task for today

Oh interesting, it's also a Microsoft product

@Telastyn as do I, speaking of, time to get back to it. Just interesting seeing the direction MS dev is headed- Node.JS integration and all of these cross-platform/open-source things they've moved towards.

and I don't find MSVS to be terribly behemothly.

1:25 PM

@enderland yeah, it's made by the VS team

review a set of surveillance footage on a recently redesigned set of crossroads for interesting things

@Telastyn compared to a plain file editor? It's considerable, I frankly think it's perfectly fine and is helpful, but many people have the exact reaction @ratchetfreak did

everybody sees the stuff differently

@JimmyHoffa interesting that it seems, other than name, to barely be branded as MS - I only noticed since I read the terms/conditions and "Microsoft" showed up everywhere

sure, but using a plain file editor to write code is like using stone knives and bearskins to make a mnemonic memory circuit.

@enderland ? It's called Visual Studio Code

1:28 PM

notepad++ is a plain file editor with syntax highlighting

@Telastyn ^--- and thus my point about people having such strongly different perspectives. Meh, just depends what peoples experiences have been.

frankly without syntax highlighting writing code is a major pain for me

@JimmyHoffa well sure, but who knows if it's intended to be a MS product or not, a name doesn't mean much and they already have a product named VS so it would seem weird to make another named that (maybe I just "missed" that obvious connection though?)

being able to see at a glance what is a keyword or string is so helpful when reading code

@enderland Nobody else could possibly make something named Visual Studio anything without getting their brains sued out of their head. That'd be like "Look at this PlayStation calculator! It's made by Hasbro!"