The Whiteboard

12:39 AM

@RobertHarvey those aren't continuations, those are monadic futures, continuations are when you call something and give it the continuation you want it to execute when it's done

async/await is a technique of doing asynchrony that explicitly avoids having to hand continuations around

user55340

@GlenH7 @Ampt (yea, I know you already built a desk...) - woodgears.ca/student-desk

user55340

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user55340

Bunch of other simple projects there too... woodgears.ca/projects.html

psr

@JimmyHoffa By using state machines. State Machines. It's an automated N-cube generator. Like a terminator from the monadic future.

Jimmy Hoffa

12:55 AM

@psr beautiful thing about abstractions: The implementation has no bearing on how nice they are to use. The API is all that matters, and that's a good one, continuation passing like node.js makes for a crappy API for coroutines compared to the monadic futures approach.

actors may be implemented horribly; doesn't matter a single shitting bit. API's are always more important than implementations because a bad API causes it's consumers to have bad implementations, whereas a good API with a horrid implementation may be hard to maintain, but the consumers of it won't be forced to write more shitty unmaintainable code on top of it the way a bad API will force them to.

I think people largely underestimate how seriously important a good API is.

user41796

@MichaelT He's got some interesting and amazing stuff. Unfortunately, he killed off his weekly newsletter. Too many people whinging about trivial stuff like typos.

user55340

@GlenH7 There's projects to be had there though... its one of the woodworking / maker things... you see another design and think about what you could improve on it.

user41796

Quite true. And he's really good about explaining how he got to a particular design. IIRC, he offers up some designs for fairly reasonable rates.

user55340

If you happen to have a spare cnc sitting around... opendesk.cc

user41796

One of my dream projects is to build a CNC machine. I think the 3D printer will come first, and that's pretty far down on the "able to execute upon" list.

enderland

1:11 AM

@GlenH7 what? just get a makerbot kit

user41796

@enderland cost + assembly time + learning curve

enderland

@GlenH7 Ahhh, that's fair

user41796

The cost isn't the biggest aspect, but the time sinks are.

enderland

just quit your job, problem solved

course then cost might become more meaningfully a problem...

user41796

Case in point, I had a leader from another cub scout pack write me and ask to mentor her den's boys so the could earn a STEM NOVA award. And I simply don't have the time to do so despite really, really wanting to help them.

enderland

1:14 AM

Sounds like your solution is just quit your job, amirite

user41796

Yeah, I'm more than a little peeved. Letter was written on the 11th. Change in coverage effective the 15th. I received the letter today (18th).

enderland

I called once about some insurance details and the clerk had no idea how that was supposed to work. I was like "wait all you can say is you don't understand the bill that your office sent me?????????"

user41796

It's ... frustrating. Their claim is that because the medicine is compounded (which it isn't) that the FDA doesn't guarantee the efficacy and therefore they ain't gonna pay no more.

enderland

Yeah no kidding, I hate healthcare and the beuracracy it has created :(

there are so. many. damn. "games."

user41796

I get that they don't want to cover expensive drugs, and I don't blame them. But if they would look over my prescription history (ahem, which they have!) they would see this isn't a first attempt at knocking this thing out.

user41796

1:21 AM

I'd much rather be helping some cub scouts instead of fighting insurance. <sigh>

enderland

yeah no joke. that's such a bummer :(

user41796

Okay, now I'm really mad. The drug is regularly covered, but not at the strength my surgeon wants me take. Irony: he wants me to take less than what is normally prescribed, so that's not covered.

enderland

@GlenH7 is it one of those things your surgeon could change the prescription for?

user41796

Likely, yes. He prefers to split a 1x / day dose into 1/2 for 2x / day in order to keep the antibiotic levels more consistent.

enderland

yeah so at least you'd have some options

user41796

1:31 AM

However, full price on this is well into 4 figures, so I think I can deal with 1x a day and fluctuations in the levels. OTOH, there's some garbage on the insurance site saying I can only have X amount in Y days. Ugh.

user41796

And does anyone see anything wrong with Mg / Ml when talking about a medical compound?

user41796

not to be pedantic but there's a huge difference between what they listed vs. what it should be.

user41796

> 300 Mg/5 Ml Ampule

enderland

I have no clue about that sort of stuff

user41796

M == mega and m == milli

user55340

1:33 AM

My brother is currently a nurse assistant and studying to be a physician's assistant. His kids have a set of scrubs (its what papa does) as part of their consume set.

user41796

So that's 300 Mega-grams per 5 Mega-liters.

user41796

@MichaelT That's awesome

enderland

guess it'd be the same as mg/ml right?

user41796

It should be mg/mL

user41796

milligrams per milliliter

user55340

1:35 AM

user55340

My niece said "thats a silly doctor costume"

user41796

@MichaelT "quit being so old and enjoy life. :-) "

user55340

Btw, have you seen the latest Doctor Who season?

user41796

you missed my whinging about no time?

user55340

Interesting tie ins to old episodes... and dark.

user41796

1:36 AM

I'd like to rewatch the old series along with the new

user41796

really enjoyed the old

user55340

Current one is... a rediscovery of his identity... a question that pops up regularly "am I a good man?"

user41796

Technically, no. He's a time lord.

user41796

But he's likewise not a bad man either...

user55340

Well, that's a bit of a "a good man goes to war" bit from before...

user55340

1:38 AM

> Demons run when a good man goes to war
Night will fall and drown the sun
When a good man goes to war

Friendship dies and true love lies
Night will fall and the dark will rise
When a good man goes to war

Demons run, but count the cost
The battle's won, but the child is lost
When a good man goes to war

enderland

@MichaelT A question my bible study has posed is interesting, "on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely evil and 10 being completely good, how would you rate people in general?"

user41796

6.5

user55340

@enderland I'd go with 6. On the net, good... though quite borderline. Most are in the 5-7 range and you've got to really try to go beyond that one way or the other.

enderland

woah you guys did that at like the same time, but nearly identical results :o

user41796

I'm a bit more generous apparently

user41796

1:44 AM

I probably shouldn't be, tbh

enderland

5% more generous? and even after just dealing with insurance people... very generous!

user55340

statepress.com/2014/09/17/… (note, spolierish)

enderland

the second part is interesting, too, "is there such a thing as 'sin'? if so, what is it?"

@MichaelT reminds me of the end of Saving Private Ryan (makes me ~~tear up~~ cry every time)

user55340

@enderland now you're going to make me hunt up a quote from a book...

user41796

Yeah, I really shouldn't be. The crazy expensive med is covered in a different dosage. The cheap, not a big deal med, simply doesn't have a dosage I can take through the nebulizer. Eff me this is stupid of them.

user55340

1:47 AM

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user15026

@GlenH7 That sounds horrendously frustrating :(

user41796

@enderland The Catholic definition (and perhaps for all Christians) is that sin is an action that turns you away from god. I think a more appropriate definition is something that moves you away from the moral purpose that you try to serve.

user41796

@AshleyNunn Thanks. I'm .... flummoxed at the moment.

user15026

@GlenH7 I can imagine :(

user41796

1:51 AM

Oh, here's a funny. The medicine preferred by my surgeon costs 1/3rd the price of the same drug at a higher concentration that my insurance will pay for.

user41796

Riddle me that one, Batman.

user41796

So I got a discontinuation notice for the cheaper drug.

user15026

@GlenH7 That makes no sense

user55340

Alright... remembered the book... and its in iBooks... so thats good.

user55340

(and apparently, I bought it some time ago... thats good too)

enderland

1:54 AM

@GlenH7 that's pretty accurate from the Christian perspective, though I might say "anything which disobeys God"

user41796

disobey is equivalent to turning away from

user41796

It works better into the metaphor of a relationship

enderland

Yeah, I guess, though obey vs turn away implies more of a non-mutual relationship (I think?)

user41796

yes

user55340

realize that this is from a fantasy novel... but it provides food for thought:

user55340

1:56 AM

> “Adonna, when he play-acted as God, implanted a very inadequate and corrupt notion of sin in human minds. He said sin was a violation of god’s law. That is the philosophy of a tyrant, not a creator. He wished to keep all humans subjugated and ignorant. Human growth was anathema to him. He wished to keep us in ignorance and darkness. There is no god’s law. Why should a god impose arbitrary limits? There is only growth and understanding. Through growth and understanding, there is love. Where there is no understanding and no growth, only ignorance, there is no love. That is sin. But to grow …

enderland

@MichaelT ... I don't know that I agree with that by man is that beautifully written! :)

user55340

There are many definitions of 'sin' which makes it a difficult topic. And its heavily influenced by the moral code that you carry along.

user55340

@enderland Infinity Concerto and Serpent Mage - very good books.

user55340

Incidentally I will point out that here, the main character is talking with the Serpent (note biblical implications there)

enderland

An evil being described as a Serpent? only a few bibilical implications... :)

user55340

2:01 AM

@enderland The background of it is that early on, the creators of the universe worked together and created the one we know and live in. The Sidhe left it to one that Adonna made that was tailor suited to them... and the mage of the humans destroyed their souls, and Adonna cursed the various species of Earth with forgetting their heritage. The mage was converted into a serpent.

enderland

@MichaelT Yeah, absolutely, everyone has very different personal interpretations to that too

user41796

Okay, happy news. I have an option on drug #2 that I'm taking. Apparently my out-of-pocket cost would be ~$8 even if insurance doesn't cover it. And that happens to be the same cost as if they pretended to cover it.

enderland

@GlenH7 WIN

user55340

> “Who was the last human you spoke to?” Michael asked.
The Serpent became a volcanic line of glowing red and then darkened into dying embers. “I haven’t conversed with a human, face to face, for almost two thousand years,” he said. “It is not pleasant to discuss.”
“Why?”
“Because the last human candidate was deluded into thinking of our conversation as a temptation. He was extraordinary. He could have been a mage of the highest order, but he had attracted Adonna’s attention as a youth. He had something else within him... something that went beyond the limits Adonna had set for him. Somethi…

user15026

@GlenH7 Hopefully it all works out

user41796

2:03 AM

@MichaelT Up to the point of comparing evil to youthfulness, I think I agree with most of what's being said there. Evil has a measure of intent behind it that youthfulness simply does not.

user41796

Yeah, I think I can cover it if it's $8 this way or $8 that way...

user55340

@GlenH7 I would contend there is a difference between sin and evil.

user41796

@MichaelT yes, related but different

user41796

good people sin. That doesn't make them evil.

enderland

@MichaelT this book is beautifully written, I don't know what it is about the language but it feels like poetry

user55340

2:05 AM

In the context of this moral code described, evil people are imposing their childish world view on others - and thats what makes them evil.

enderland

@GlenH7 or... do evil people do good, which doesn't make them inherently good?

user41796

with childish being a metaphor for immature, yes.

enderland

though I guess 6.5 is greater than the average of 1-10 hah

user55340

@enderland I'd give it a read... these two bits were from the second book of the pair... the first one doesn't touch on religion at all. And even the second one is just hinting at it - its certainly not His Dark Materials.

enderland

I have way too many books I want to read and devote way less time to it than I ought :(

user55340

2:07 AM

@enderland Everyone acts out of their own self interest. On the whole, people working together requires going beyond that self interest and people realize that. Thus, they put aside their self interest a bit to do it. Thats what makes them a 6 rather than a 5.

enderland

@MichaelT yeah, I'm always amused by the "we're not selfish" perspective people have - I don't know how you can realistically say we aren't (even working together though is generally more of a longer term self interest)

user55340

An idealized libertarian is a 5. When you start imposing that self interest on others, you're moving down that scale. As you set aside your self interest for the greater 'good' (there's that word) of the community or something greater than one's on self, you're moving up the scale.

enderland

I'm more than ok admitting I am inherently selfish at the core

user15026

Oooh, this is interesting/

user55340

If we weren't selfish at the core - there would be no good in being good.

user41796

2:10 AM

@AshleyNunn definitely kinda cool

psr

@JimmyHoffa I agree about APIs , but I was poking fun a little bit at how you dislike parser generators. The API into a parser generator is the grammar and the output is code that uses a state machine to turn a token stream into an AST (well, some of them let you do this) - that's a pretty impressive API. But it seems to bug you that there is a state machine hiding inside. But then you gave asynch in C# a free pass to do roughly the same thing.

user55340

@AshleyNunn wondering if I should try trolling Pets.SE with imgur.com/gallery/3tmQl3V

enderland

@MichaelT that's an... interesting perspective

@MichaelT I ran over a garter snake yesterday biking :(

user15026

@MichaelT I wish you all the luck with that

user55340

@enderland Blame Leibowitz and the problem of free will.

enderland

2:14 AM

this conversation is going to keep me up way too late lol

user55340

Note that in much of Christian tradition, the angles are good and don't have free will and thus can't sin. If you're already stuck at 10 by definition you can't do anything that isn't already determined... with that set of understanding.

enderland

Yeah, though angels are different when it comes to this than humans

From the Christian perspective humans are allowed the opportunity to sin, which is possible pretty much independent of whether we have free will or not (since you can't really "know" that and so our actual actions are basically indepedent of that question)

user55340

> But without free will, much of what is part of us and our society seems to crumble. Where is the place of praise and punishment when the action was a result of chance or something that was determined to be. It is free will that forms part of the judgment of good and evil. We feel virtue when resisting an evil temptation, but how much of that is our choice?

user55340

I'd suggest poking at Leibniz, free will, and the problem of evil.

enderland

> Leibniz's best known contribution to metaphysics is his theory of monads

HA this is amusing

user55340

2:20 AM

gutenberg.org/files/17147/17147-h/17147-h.htm

user55340

@enderland its what I keep thinking every time people start talking of Haskell...

enderland

:)

user55340

Note that while I have a CS degree, Philos was a backup for me if I didn't get through the math classes (it was a challenge). I haven't dabbled in it much since then.

enderland

I like philosophical and theological discussions

user55340

But, you ~~Kant~~ can't critique pure reason and don't understand the joke that I made...

user55340

2:22 AM

Descartes, Leibnitz, Spinoza... that was one of my favorite classes back in college.

enderland

of pure? :)

user55340

Critique of Pure Reason

The Critique of Pure Reason (German: Kritik der reinen Vernunft) by Immanuel Kant, first published in 1781, second edition 1787, is one of the most influential works in the history of philosophy. Also referred to as Kant's "first critique," it was followed in 1788 by the Critique of Practical Reason and in 1790 by the Critique of Judgment. In the preface to the first edition Kant explains what he means by a critique of pure reason: "I do not mean by this a critique of books and systems, but of the faculty of reason in general, in respect of all knowledge after which it may strive independently...

user15026

@MichaelT snorts

enderland

I've not read much directly written by philosophers, I guess

user55340

@AshleyNunn wine-searcher.com/…

user15026

2:24 AM

@MichaelT That is excellent

user55340

But then... there's also...

user55340

user15026

So awesome.

enderland

oh my gosh those are ridiculous

user55340

2:26 AM

Honestly, though, I'm not a fan of zinfandel as a red wine. (Riesling I love)... I had it once where it was the right pairing, but that might also be my food choice.

user55340

Yellowstone... oh, there's a story...

user41796

@MichaelT red zin tends to be a bit more bold than a regular white. white zin is just too sweet.

user55340

So, went to the main dining hall at Yellowstone Old Faithful In and asked if I could make a reservation for that night. They said sorry, there's a wedding here and we're booked. The earliest we could get you in in is tomorrow at 7pm (it was 8pm at that time)... so I went over to the Snow Lodge steak house and asked if there was less than a 23h wait there.

user55340

Had a nice stake there after a short wait...

user55340

Anyways... next night had dinner in the main hall and had wild boar that was paired with zinfandel and it was perfect.

user41796

2:28 AM

intentional misspelling?

enderland

@GlenH7 I was hoping so, maybe the steak had a stake through it?

user55340

@GlenH7 yep.

enderland

I don't really have a vested steak in this, after all

user41796

I prefer a knife instead of a stake to cut my steak.

user55340

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Q: I don't want to get in an edit war - people haven't read the previous reason - what to do?

This answer has a voluntary typo by the author, yet people keep correcting it. I've explained in the edit reason why it should be kept, and it's already been rolled back. I'm not sure what I should do. On the one hand, the content is community-owned, especially if the edits keep coming (since it...

user15026

2:29 AM

Wild boar is on my to-eat list

user15026

(Every year I try to eat a new to me meat, this year was water buffalo, last year was squirrel)

user55340

yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/dining/old-faithful/…

user55340

That's the dining hall I was in.

user55340

I really didn't care what I had there... I just wanted to be there and enjoy it.

user55340

Dinner menu there: yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/assets/…

user55340

2:32 AM

If I was there now... I'd likely go for the Bison Pot Roast... though others seem quite good too. Fish is great, but I can often find excellent fish elsewhere too.

user55340

(The snow lodge Obsidian room: yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/dining/old-faithful/… )

user15026

@MichaelT That dinner buffet.... drool

user55340

Snow lodge is a much more straight forward place: yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/assets/…

user55340

@AshleyNunn If you go to Yellowstone, make reservations for the old faithful inn... unless you want to camp. In which case just make reservations for the dining hall.

user15026

It is one of the places I want to go someday

user55340

2:35 AM

Trying to remember where I want to eat the last time I was there...

user55340

I ate at Roosevelt Lodge for lunch one day, I know that.

user55340

yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/dining/roosevelt-lodge/…

user55340

A ha! Grant Village lake house restaurant: yellowstonenationalparklodges.com/dining/grant-village/…

user55340

And I think I did have the fish there.

user41796

@MichaelT I feel better.

user55340

2:39 AM

Hufu

Hufu, a fictional product, was marketed as tofu designed to resemble human flesh in taste and texture. The Hufu website was in existence from May 2005 to June 2006. The creators claimed that Milla Jovovich coined the term after hearing about the product's development while on the Eurostar from London to Paris. == History == Hufu was touted as "the healthy human flesh alternative" for "cannibals who want to quit", as well as a product for anthropology students studying cannibalism. According to its website, hufu is also "a great convenience food for cannibals. No more Friday night hunting raids...

user55340

user15026

Fascinating.

user55340

I assume you've had rabbit, quail, pheasant, and duck?

user55340

(btw, promisefmbuffalo.com - just down the road from me)

user15026

@MichaelT No, yes, no, yes

user15026

2:45 AM

(My family kept rabbits as pets so as a kid I didn't eat them)

user55340

This place had rabbit - yelp.com/biz/coleman-still-santa-clara

user15026

I'd like to try rabbit.

user55340

The place was on the north side of San Jose... really out of place when you looked at the decor (tech companies not too far away).

user55340

The menu was... lets call it Appalachian.

user55340

2:49 AM

Or at least, a California interpretation of it.

user15026

I am curious what that would be

user55340

They didn't have raccoon on the menu.

user15026

I wouldn't eat it if they did. My one big rule is I don't eat garbage eaters

user55340

@AshleyNunn raccoons in the appropriately wild areas aren't garbage eaters...

user15026

@MichaelT True enough.

user55340

2:52 AM

@AshleyNunn backwoodsbound.com/zracoon.html

user55340

Warning: might inspire late night sudden cooking urges: seriouseats.com/2014/09/…

user15026

@MichaelT Oh those would be amazing right about now

user55340

3:07 AM

@Ampt your civil engineer who knows things about bridges... ask him if he knew of the Lotus Riverside block collapse back in '09.

user55340

Collapse of Lotus Riverside Block 7

The collapse of Block 7 at Lotus Riverside (a 13-story apartment building) in 2009 killed one person. == Lotus Riverside == Lotus Riverside (simplified Chinese: 莲花河畔景苑; traditional Chinese: 蓮花河畔景苑; pinyin: lián huā hé pàn jǐng yuàn) is a residential apartment complex located in Minhang District, Shanghai, China. == Events == On June 27, 2009 at 5:30am local time, Block 7, one of the eleven 13-story buildings of the apartment complex, collapsed, killing one worker. == Explanations == According to the Wall Street Journal: "According to Shanghai Daily, initial investigations attribute t...

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Jimmy Hoffa

4:05 AM

@psr I got nothing against parser generators, I think they're pretty great - I don't like state machines but generated code of any sort is generally fine in my book - all code generators are is compilers

maybe you're confusing how much I like parser combinators with me disliking generators

MetaFight

7:08 AM

throw a monad or two in there.
Also:

programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/132357/revisions

RIP staek

Ampt

1:09 PM

@MetaFight Geez, that @GlenH7 is a real buzz kill isn't he.

MetaFight

Damn right, socky.

Christoph

morning

Ampt

@Christoph Top o' the evening to ya

Christoph

so...I have a class structuring problem (C++). I have a class Canvas<Frontend, Display> that should draw on a Display directly, or on an intermediate Buffer<Frontend,Display>. There should be Canvas::display() which returns a reference to the display object and Canvas::outputDevice() which returns a reference to the device (Buffer or Display) which it actually draws on. How can I achieve that?

ratchet freak

good afternoon

MetaFight

1:19 PM

I'm an arse. Ignore me.

ratchet freak

interface Buffer and Display and let Canvas use that interface

aka the OO approach

Christoph

They already have the same interface, but how do I implement that automatic dispatching if a buffer is present?

ratchet freak

you should have a IBackend &display; in Canvas and dispatch to that

given that you seem to use templates for the backend puts me out of my comfort zone really

Christoph

yes I use templates because I want no virtual function calls in this. my system has very little memory (64k) and is by all means just very limited. I even care about duplicate references which would occupy an additional 4 bytes

ratchet freak

you could just go ahead and make it a Canvas<Frontend, Buffer<Frontend,Display>>

Christoph

1:29 PM

in that case the canvas cannot "know" that it's not drawing on the display directly

there could be a display() method in both Buffer and Display, but in that case the Display is responsible for knowing that it is the last device in the chain and return a reference to itself

ratchet freak

I think you either need to hardcode the buffering or use a virtual call

Christoph

I think I don't have to do either and I'm sure there's static dispatching stuff that can do this

would this be a suitable question for programmers.se?

Ampt

It seems reasonably scoped. the only problem that I would have is that it seems to be sort of "Poll-ish" where you're looking to get a variety of answers

but because you're dealing with such a specific problem I would probably overlook that.

It may also be a good candidate for SO honestly

but I don't speak for SO, so take that with a pinch of salt

ratchet freak

1:45 PM

SO prefers actual code to debug

Christoph

Well I can try to describe the "class surroundings" as well as I can and then it should be possible to give a "correct" answer

Ampt

@ratchetfreak Yeah I would expect that. "Here's what I have, this is what I need, how do i get there?" kind of question

Christoph

ok I'll write a question for programmers then. Maybe I even see the solution as I'm writing...

Ampt

2:18 PM

It's going to get real when the UPS man arrives today

ratchet freak

@Ampt if he bothers to knock

he might see all those and say "**** it! I'm not carrying that, on to the next one."

user15026

@Ampt oooooooooooh

Styphon

Hi

Is anyone here good with HMVC that wouldn't mind helping a newbie?

ratchet freak

2:35 PM

from a quick google that sound just like MVC with someone realizing that you could have the model be a MVC itself

I've known that before I just didn't bother to give it a name

user41796

@Ampt kiss your weekend goodbye? :-)

Ampt

@GlenH7 More like kiss my weekend hello!

user15026

@Ampt Did you remember the thermal paste?

2

Ampt

@AshleyNunn SHIT. Haha, just kidding. That's in the package from amazon.

user15026

2:52 PM

@Ampt Oh good :)

Shahar

You know what I hate?

Every day the App Store notifies me about updates that I don't want to get

Now that I want to update xcode, the App Store doesn't work

I open it and it just lags and shows nothing

This is infuriating. I click on "Updates" and that annoying pencil logo thing just keeps showing

user41796

@Shahar You need to get a better internet connection

user41796

Or find better ones

Shahar

@GlenH7 no that's the thing

right now I'm at my parents'

They have fast Internet

The app just launches (after a huge lag) and remains blank

user41796

So go into Settings -> iTunes & App Store and then turn on automatic updates. You won't be prompted about them anymore. They'll just auto-update and be done

user41796

3:00 PM

And you can tell it to not use cellular data for automatic updates

Shahar

But I don't want to

because when I'm at home

these updates take up like years

user41796

Then get a faster connection already....

Shahar

You wanna pay for me?

user41796

You're unhappy because of choices you've made. Change the choice.

user15026

Unrelated, but I have an entire weekend off that I didn't request and that is just magical

Ampt

3:02 PM

@AshleyNunn Wanna help build a computer?

Shahar

off of what

you work on weekends?

user15026

@Shahar work.

user15026

@Shahar Often, yes

user15026

@Ampt You just want cupcakes.

Shahar

I'm a workaholic and even I don't go to work on weekends

user15026

3:03 PM

@Shahar I don't get a choice, I work whenever I am scheduled to do so

user15026

(I am not a programmer, if that helps clear it up any)

Shahar

What kind of job is that?

oh

user15026

@Shahar I work in customer support for online gaming

ratchet freak

ooh ouch

Shahar

Is it a specific MMORPG or something?

user15026

3:05 PM

@Shahar It's poker/betting

Shahar

oh what kind of customer support can you provide?

ratchet freak

> I lost all my money please give it back :(

Shahar

Exactly what I was thinking^

user15026

I handle support tickets, chat, etc - site issues, customer complaints, etc

Shahar

sounds like StackOverflow for gambling

user15026

3:07 PM

@ratchetfreak You would be surprised how often people think that we will do stuff liek that :P

Shahar

tell them to use jquery

ratchet freak

@AshleyNunn I can imagine

user15026

@ratchetfreak I have been at work for 3 whole hours and no one has even called me anything nasty. It's a great day!

Shahar

@AshleyNunn you're <insert something nasty>

not a great day anymore

user15026

Aww :(

Shahar

3:14 PM

oh you're a university student?

What are you studying?

user41796

@Shahar - as a reminder, mods and room owners can see deleted comments. Your previously deleted comment went past the boundaries of good taste. I'll assume you meant it in jest, but it didn't come across that way.

user15026

@Shahar I am not anymore, I finished! (Does my profile still say that? I should fix that!) I was studying English (literature and technical writing) but now I am done :)

Ampt

@AshleyNunn ..... maybe

but is that wrong?

user15026

@Ampt Cupcakes are never wrong

Shahar

@GlenH7 are you serious? Many of my workers are Indian and we joke about that all the time

user41796

3:19 PM

@Shahar That may be, but there's a ton of context that you have with them that you don't have here.

user41796

And it's context that makes the difference. Please don't say things in that vein again.

Shahar

That's ridiculous

Ampt

sigh

user41796

@Shahar You're welcome to your own opinions. This is a public chat room and not all opinions are welcome to be expressed here.

user15026

FWIW, I didn't like assumptions being made about me in any way because of what I do for a living

Shahar

3:24 PM

I didn't make any assumption and you guys are literally acting like little whiny babies

I'll leave it at that

Ampt

Alright, back onto the mute list with you.

Shahar

Okay then, I have to go anyhow

user41796

@Shahar You're welcome to find another group to chat with then. I tried to politely explain that your previous comment was out of line. You implicitly knew it was out of line because you deleted it.

user41796

That type of commentary and attitude simply aren't welcome here. Not sure what else to say about it.

Ampt

@AshleyNunn FWIW, I would pay you to mail me cupcakes all day long if I could.

I'm sure my girlfriend would initially be a little weirded out, but I'm sure that could be solved with cupcakes.

user15026

3:26 PM

@Ampt I would do that :)

user15026

Cupcake delivery services so need to be a thing

user15026

and if you pack them in mason jars they ship well

Ampt

really? I didn't know that. I figured the hardest part would be to get a cupcake to ship well.

user15026

@Ampt It can be tricky, but if you don't mind that it might be a little smushed, mason jars are totally the way to go :)

Ampt

See, that's just it. you need to have some sort of way to ship them without losing the presentability of the product

smooshed frosting makes me sad :(

user41796

3:30 PM

@Ampt I was trying to figure that out the other day too. I'm setting a few goals for myself and the reward is to make those cupcakes in early December

user15026

@Ampt I suspect if I did it with a stabilized container that was higher than the frosting, It could work

user15026

@GlenH7 That would be a great reward I think

user15026

I think I might do something similar for myself with the stuff I am trying to get myself to learn

user41796

@AshleyNunn It came to me just the other day. And as excited as I got about that being a goal, I realized it was perfect for a capstone type celebration.

Ampt

~~capstone~~ cupcake type celebration

user41796

3:36 PM

My head is wrapping around the engineering required to ship cupcakes now...

Ampt

@GlenH7 you'd have to fasten the cupcake to the bottom of the package somehow

user41796

Wondering if CO2 would dry the cupcake out or not.

Ampt

maybe inverse base, so that you could grip it a little bit

user41796

@Ampt I wonder if a little white glue would do the trick there. It's technically edible.

user41796

Boom! Here's an easy approach: maurinedashney.com/2013/07/…

user15026

3:40 PM

@GlenH7 That sounds excellent to me

user41796

oh, I like this one better: maurinedashney.com/2013/08/…

user41796

The second one is cheaper to ship, I'd think.

user41796

But that second method might require adapting the other recipe. Trying to think about how to get the grenache (?) into the center of the cake if it's in a jar like that.

user15026

I think it could work

user15026

you might have to use something like what they use to fill donuts?

user41796

3:44 PM

I think so too - I've got some pastry bags for piping filling in. I'm off to a meeting though.

user15026

@GlenH7 You'd need those and likely a long thin frosting tip for the bag, I think Wilton sells one made for filling like this

Robert Harvey

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