The Whiteboard - 2014-09-18

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12:21 AM

And today in old SO questions:

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Q: how to transfer WWDC Ticket?

I don't really know a better place to post the question, is it possible to transfer WWDC Ticket that is activated?

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Q: doubt Graphics in java

How do I learn graphics programming in Java? Where should I start, and which books would you recommend? Thanks in advance

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1:30 AM

@MichaelT That title......

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(sorry I have forgotten how to spell)

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@AshleyNunn doubt is frequently seen as a lead for people who either are Portuguese language speakers or from India... its how it translates into English, even though its not idiomatic.

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What are they trying to say?

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Its like saying "I am full" as "Je suis plein" in french.

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Like "I am questioning this?"

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1:32 AM

"I have a question about graphics in Java"

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Ah, I see.

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But the word they think translates to doubt as a literal word in English.

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(and I suspect you know that classic french translation mistake...)

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Yes I do :)

3:43 PM

Throwback Thursday.

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@AshleyNunn - I may have found a project worthy of your technical editing attention. Have a look at the OWASP Dev Guide. They need help with editing and it might be great preparatory information for your pending return to school.

there should be a chrome plugin to automatically update (removed) to show the deleted text or something for room owners/mods

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@enderland So get hacking already...

@GlenH7 hah. Might primarily be beneficial for this chat room ;)

then you'll have to make it so it will go to chat rooms created by room owners moving messages to new rooms and then deleting those rooms

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3:55 PM

@GlenH7 Ooooh, I am intrigued. :) When I am not OMG busy with product launch and regular work stuff I will take a look :)

@AshleyNunn return to school? Going back for more punishment? I suggest you get your DBA degree. Those people just get paid to be grumpy all day

i just cast an undelete vote

doesn't happen too often

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@JimmyHoffa Am theoretically noodling on more school, yeah.

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@whatsisname care to share which post? Might get it undeleted faster

programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/256655/…

I don't think it's a bad question

4:07 PM

opinion/speculation based, no?

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@whatsisname and not already answered elsewhere? Seems like a variant of exceptions should be exceptional.

@AshleyNunn noodle when you're in school, that's when you're so broke you can only eat noodles, no nooodling while you're out of school

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@JimmyHoffa oh, I see how it is. stocks up on noodles

not any more opinion/speculation based than other acceptable questions

furthermore, in python, exceptions are often used for not-very-exceptional events

the general principle behind the answer to that question has definitely been answered on other similar questions though

Ack. How do I get Debug.Print to show up in the test results of a unit test in Visual Studio? I can never remember the setting.

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4:17 PM

@RobertHarvey View -> Output? And from that window change the "Show output from" drop down to what you want

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(I think)

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@whatsisname I voted to undelete. The "pythonic" aspect may make it sufficiently different

The tests in my existing test project are giving me a debug trace. This is a new test project.

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Dunno offhand then, sorry.

@RobertHarvey does the TestContext not have some method for logging test info?

I know you can use it for things like forcing your test to be failed or succeeded etc and you can use it to carry bootstrapped data around for your tests

4:20 PM

They both look the same.

Oh, I just see that the user formerly known as Prog has renamed himself.

@RobertHarvey msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

..But Debug.Print() works in my other test project. That's, just like, your opinion, man.

@amon ACK

@RobertHarvey could be the app.config has a particular tracelogger configured in the diagnostics config

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4:23 PM

@amon Thanks for calling that out.

@JimmyHoffa Here it is.

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A: Debug and Trace Write/WriteLine not outputing to output in Visual Studio 2010 C# Express

Make sure that both checkboxes "Define DEBUG constant" and "Define TRACE constant" in project properties on page Build are checked.

ah, I never knew what that trace constant did lol

now i do

til something new about .NET, that doesn't happen every day, thanks

It's like putting the cigarette lighter on the outside of the car.

And then having a robot put one in or not based on a "no smoking" checkbox on the order form.

@JimmyHoffa They get paid to say no to anything that might corrupt the database - such as software development. They get bonuses for being grumpy.

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^^^ There is truth in this...

4:35 PM

@GlenH7 Wait til he sees this room and realizes how creepy we all are.

hallo

Hi guys, apologies if this is the wrong room - just after some opinions. I need to package some Windows applications. I've been playing with Advanced Installer which seems nice, but before I buy it, does anyone know of any good quality alternatives. After something which is professional as this will go to customers

you should use jQuery

@Dan What kind of stuff are you trying to package? executables?

@Ampt Yes, though it has some dependencies (Visual C++ Redist) and I'll need some custom actions as it installs some drivers, too

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4:41 PM

@Ampt He's gotten enough feedback from us via comments that he ought to realize his posts are frequently discussed.

....I think I might go implement a simple actors library in coffeescript....

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@Dan I'd think that just about any installer builder package would let you do those things. Doesn't MS provide one for free?

@Dan does WiX not work for you?

We like to pretend that our software runs in a vacuum. All users have every dependency we need, including the one I just made up.

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@Ampt So you have successfully trained your users to appreciate you for everything you do for them.

4:45 PM

@GlenH7 No, in my imagination they are already appreciative without me having to do anything! It's fantastic!

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@Ampt Maybe I'll find that fantasy-land myself one day.

@GlenH7 Hint: It's at the bottom of a bottle of tequila.

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A very, very, very large bottle?

@Dan InstallShield, if you want the Cadillac. With gun turrets.

Where else do you think Yannis has been?

He's working his way there as we speak!

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4:47 PM

@RobertHarvey And an optional phalanx AA system?

Something like that.

I always found InstallShield to be a bit unwieldy. It's pretty, but there's something a bit unsettling about it. Trophy Wife comes to mind, don't know exactly why.

Can anything really be that complex?

@Dan I used to do install engineering, not familiar with the product you specify but if it's production quality and you have a budget to do it - I can suggest InstallShield. It's very powerful and easy to use, though if you don't want to have a big project on hand to maintain you could go for the also powerful but considerably lighter weight (and free) WiX which tends to take longer to get stood up and is a bit more complex because it's closer to the way installer databases actually work

but if you don't want to have somebody around just to do the development and maintenance on your WiX project I'd go with InstallShield as it'll take someone no time to get something working. If there's going to be a significant enough development and maintenance effort anyway, then I'd go with WiX because I think it's more maintainable when it scales because it stays consistent with installer databases while InstallShield tries to protect you from some of that complexity which doesn't scale well

I've heard good things about inno, bad things about wise, and never heard of "advanced installer" so I can't really speak to those off hand.

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@Ampt Oh that explains so much

@psr I've not tried - I'll take a look :)

Cheers all

5:12 PM

@JimmyHoffa Perhaps it was the fact that, in my last job, we were trying to distribute an Access frontend, shared backend, Access runtime and several libraries and run scripts, all without crashing into some cross-Office compatibility problem, that soured me on the whole InstallShield process.

@RobertHarvey installers as a whole are a mess, nothing beats a solid understanding of the installer database and how it works - which is rare because it's all very legacy stuff and the details of the behaviour are in some obscure corner of MSDN barely anybody ever touches

@JimmyHoffa I'm on the other side normally as I'm not really a dev and the amount of absolutely broken installers from huge companies selling expensive software doesn't really give me huge hope :D

@Dan I would encourage you towards a more batteries included approach than over WiX - InstallShield or otherwise. I'm not saying the product will be good, but if you're not a dev you will probably have a lot more troubles with WiX

@JimmyHoffa I suspect you're right

And I don't really have time to learn in detail

InstallShield did have the virtue of actually being understandable.

In the end, we eventually did a bit of hacking on the installer file with Orca to make it work, but it wasn't much.

5:27 PM

@RobertHarvey yeah, that's the thing where WiX will never require you to go to Orca because WiX is so close to giving you Orca's facilities to begin with, but it will take way longer to get stood up on WiX than InstallShield

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Q: Is it bad if all my kittens starve?

I accidentally left the game running, winter happened and all my kittens starved. It's sad but it took almost no time before new kittens replaced them. Is there a major downside to starving all the kittens in the winter and replacing them in the spring?

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Yep... gaming.

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@MichaelT Everyone is so into the kittens-game

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I do not understand the kittens-game

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(Stick of) Truth be told I've got it open in a browser too.

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5:37 PM

Its a game that doesn't require much interaction after the first bit (an idle game) making it suitable for... well, the other monitor.

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Its also similar to a classic from long ago... Hammurabi style games.

kittens...what?

is this like cookie clicker?

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Hammurabi (link is a web version)... I remember playing on the Apple ][.

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There was also a game in the same vein that was about building a pyramid in egypt back on the Mac plus/SE days that I recall playing.

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This is just a real time version of the game.

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5:43 PM

@Ampt bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens/#

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Noting that 'just' means 'based on a good classic game that lasted for a very long time'

So it's cookie clicker for cats

@MichaelT awww, blocked hahahahahah

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user image

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@enderland I could get the basic code for the Hammurabi game if you want to play that...

5:46 PM

200 bushels to rats?! Somebodies losing their head for that one.

@MichaelT hah, probably shouldn't at work :|

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100 RANDOMIZE
120 CLS : PRINT : PRINT : PRINT
140 PRINT TAB( 27)"HAMURABI"
160 PRINT TAB( 10)"CREATIVE COMPUTING, MORRISTOWN, NEW JERSEY
180 PRINT : PRINT : PRINT
200 PRINT "TRY YOUR HAND AT GOVERNING ANCIENT SUMERIA FOR A TEN-YEAR
TERM"
220 PRINT "OF OFFICE.
280 PRINT : PRINT : PRINT TAB( 23)"IT AIN'T EASY!!!"
300 FOR N=0 TO 5000 : NEXT N
320 A(1)=0 : A(2)=0
340 Z=0 : P=95 : S=2800 : H=3000 : E=H-S
360 Y=3 : A=H/Y : I=5 : Q=1
380 D=0
400 CLS : PRINT "HAMAURABI: I BEG TO REPORT TO YOU,":Z=Z+1
420 PRINT "IN THE YEAR";Z;",";D;"PEOPLE STARVED,";I;"CAME TO THE CITY."

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I can keep going if you want...

lol

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I told you it was basic...

5:48 PM

Seeing is believing, or something

gah, I searched for JavaScript actor implementations, only to stumble across a large, very detailed, and thoroughly incorrect tutorial on how to do actors in JavaScript...

news flash, actor model != CPS

@MichaelT Ahh, BASIC text games. Those were the days. Who needs sprites, or anatomically-correct farm simulations?

@RobertHarvey farms have anatomy? Weird.

Apparently you've never seen FarmVille

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@RobertHarvey I'm still fond of Trek... btw, did you see the Basic / C# conversion of the code?

5:50 PM

what's next, astronomically-correct shipping warehouses?

@MichaelT There's a C# version?

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@RobertHarvey codeproject.com/Articles/28228/Star-Trek-Text-Game

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Its in basic though.

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2950  PRINT "TORPEDO TRACK:"
2960  LET X=X+X[1]
2970  LET Y=Y+X[2]
2980  IF X<.5 OR X >= 8.5 OR Y<.5 OR Y >= 8.5 THEN 3420
2990  LET V[4]=X
2991  LET V[5]=Y
2992  GOSUB 9000
2993  PRINT
3020  IF A[INT(X+.5),INT(Y+.5)]#0 THEN 3080
3060  GOTO 2960
3080  IF A[INT(X+.5),INT(Y+.5)]#2 THEN 3230
3120  PRINT "*** KLINGON DESTROYED ***"
3130  LET P[1]=P[1]-1
3140  LET P[3]=P[3]-1
3150  IF P[3] <= 0 THEN 4040
3160  FOR I=1 TO 3
3170  IF INT(X+.5)#K[I,1] THEN 3190
3180  IF INT(Y+.5)=K[I,2] THEN 3200
3190  NEXT I

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Thats basic...

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5:51 PM

_2950: Console.WriteLine("TORPEDO TRACK:");
_2960: X = X + _X[1];
_2970: Y = Y + _X[2];
_2980: if (X < .5 || X >= 8.5 || Y < .5 || Y >= 8.5) goto _3420;
_2990: _V[4] = X;
_2991: _V[5] = Y;
_2992: _9000();
_2993: Console.WriteLine();
_3020: if (_A[(int)(X + .5), (int)(Y + .5)] != 0) goto _3080;
_3060: goto _2960;
_3080: if (_A[(int)(X + .5), (int)(Y + .5)] != 2) goto _3230;
_3120: Console.WriteLine("*** KLINGON DESTROYED ***");
_3130: _P[1] = _P[1] - 1;
_3140: _P[3] = _P[3] - 1;
_3150: if (_P[3] <= 0) goto _4040;

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Thats C#.

For the love of God, no.

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The 'goto' was put to good use there.

Of course it was.

Since, y'know, BASIC.

But what's the point in transcribing a BASIC program like that into what amounts to really bad C#?

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@RobertHarvey that you've got it perfectly coded without reinterepting it... and the challenge of doing so.

5:54 PM

It's interesting that you can do that with C#, and it doesn't just fall down.

Takes language abuse to a whole new level.

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@RobertHarvey I suspect that was part of the point.

6:06 PM

Why did Code Review kick this question?

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Q: Is this a design pattern for a Haskell main function?

After developing several Haskell applications I've found myself rigorously segregating impure code and failable (partial) functions from their pure & total counterparts. These efforts have noticeably reduced maintenance cost associated with the applications. I have found myself over time relying ...

design-patterns haskell control-structures

good question... that seems like it would be on-topic over there, no?

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@RobertHarvey haskell

we-only-deal-in-real-languages making-this-up-as-i-go

Oh.

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They can't tell if it really works or not since no one actually runs code in Haskell. They just talk about it.

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6:09 PM

Since they can't tell if it works, it fails one of their cardinal tests and it gets migrated.

So my code to build a particle accelerator using brainfuck has no hope of being reviewed there?

If only we had someone dedicated to haskell around here. someone who could go on about the intracacies of monads for hours on end with no prompting.

Someone who wears cement shoes.

*Paging Dr. Hoffa*

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@Ampt That sounds like more of a curse than a blessing

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6:10 PM

As in a curse to the person who can spout off about monads and monoids and endofunctors and whatever other gibberish

@GlenH7 Oh no, I thought the curse was having to put up with him.

I'm fairly certain it works either way really.

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Agreed

Oh, to be misunderstood.

The burden of being a prophet.

must be taking an intern lunch.

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Q: How much pair programming is ideal?

I think pair programming can be incredibly effective, and I don't mind doing it every now and then, but a company I've interviewed with states they pair program "95% of the time" (they're a consulting shop, so they do this on client sites). This worries me because it sounds very demanding/exhaus...

productivity consulting micro-management

do you guys have a dup of this somewhere? I'm assumign it's been discussed a few times here..

6:16 PM

None! Problem solved. — Ampt 10 secs ago

You can safely close that question now. OP has his answer.

From what I've seen, Pair programming is seen mostly as a fad that has largely fallen out of use.

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Q: When does pair programming work for you? When should you avoid it?

Rather than slavishly pair program all the time, we use pair programming selectively on our team. I think it works best in the following circumstances: Ramping up brand new team members on a project (instead of letting them wade through documentation or code on their own). Having junior and s...

agile pair-programming

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How does that one look?

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@enderland Have a look at this answer

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Mark it on the calendar! I almost tied with the search master!!!

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Note, that I'm out of close votes and won't be able to push it in that direction.

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6:19 PM

(otherwise, it could easily muster a bunch of primarily opinion votes and get tossed back to you)

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I have 6 left and can vote as duplicate

@GlenH7 you guys care if I migrate that?

more of a p.se than workplace question

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Not a great question, but I could see it serving as a tombstone on to the duplicate path for future visitors

I'd probably vote it to be primarily opinion based

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It's obviously off-topic for Workplace since you can't answer with "Quit and find a new job"

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6:21 PM

@Ampt Selected answer on the one MichaelT and I suggested covers the amount of time spent as pairs

and the glaring lack of sexual tension and the intricacies of pair programming with the opposite sex.

@GlenH7 Ok. Yeah that actually looks like a good dupe. let's do it then.

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@Ampt naked pair programming is always a bad idea... co-ed or otherwise.

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Why don't we edit it and make it on-topic for The Workplace then....

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@GlenH7 "We're doing naked co-ed pair programming... should I get a new job?"

@MichaelT I watched an episode of "Naked and Afraid" last night. I think it would largely be the same

@MichaelT "We're doing naked co-ed pair programming and my girlfriend got paired with someone else... should I get a new job?"

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6:23 PM

@MichaelT ".... See the problem is they want us to work all day that way. And I don't know if I've got the stamina for that."

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@MichaelT This strikes me as good advice

FTFY

Poor enderland is just trying to keep his site clean and we're over here making fun of it.

oh wow

picked a bad time to go away from chat :P

Like there's a good time to go away from chat.

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@enderland you need to be here all day... and those that lack the stamina...

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6:24 PM

@enderland And we didn't even bother to delete any of those off... Not that it matters to you anymore

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On the subject of naked tv shows... there is apparently one about naked dating... and a person sued over being shown naked on it.

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@MichaelT I heard about that - it has more to do with what bits of her were shown while naked, rather than the actual "she was naked"

@MichaelT ... I lack words to describe my current thoughts on that matter.

@enderland Long story short, sure, we'll take it, but we're going to mark it as a dupe.

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Feel free to google those images while on your home machine.

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And then there's that cycling team photo thats been going around... well, two sets actually - one male, one female. They're perfectly SFW, but if you don't know they are, you'd think they were NSFW.

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6:29 PM

@MichaelT Was that the Colombian or Chilean team? And was it both men's and women's teams? I had only heard of the women's team.

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@MichaelT Ah, yes, someone made some bad design decisions there....

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@GlenH7 the men's one is... excessively padded.

@MichaelT What are they wearing? Skin-colored spandex?

Never mind. I don't want to know.

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@RobertHarvey Yes. And the lighting can cause an interesting trick of the eye.

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Warning: this one has tight bike kits... and well... there are apparently guys happy to be wearing them. The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly. Bike Clothing: Part One: The Ugly. thus, this should probably get a NSFW tag with it. If you can get over the top photo... there are some amusingly bad spandex in there.

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6:34 PM

(though that came out before the most recent bad bike kit design)

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@RobertHarvey you do want to know... it was skin colored spandex... and it went from mid thigh to mid chest.

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> Editor’s note: I first wrote this article back in January. I have to tell you that it gets more hits than any other of the 135 articles I’ve posted to date. It also features the word ‘mangina’, which appears to be a popular keyword. I’m re-posting it today just in case you missed it and are not googling the keywords ‘bicycle mangina’.

k migrated

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And he's back after another fun bit of chat.

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@Ampt Minecraft 2.0 to feature clippy the creeper.

6:38 PM

@MichaelT "I see that you're trying to build a houssssse. Would you like some help with that?"

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@MichaelT Clippy needs some hugs...

6:51 PM

@Ampt Looks like a creeper is sssssneaking up on you. Would you like some help with that?

and while you are looking for that no option you get blown up

7:15 PM

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Q: How okay is it to rehash and repost old question without referring the source?

I noticed this in today question: I remember there was another question on this site regarding this, but it was less focused, and the answers haven't satisfied me Question was eventually closed as duplicate but I can't tell if dupe target is one mentioned above: wording is quite similar but...

discussion asking-questions etiquette

@gnat so does an up vote on that mean I approve?

@Ampt no doubt!

well I've got another confession to make. I approve.

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@gnat - you missed a number of articles in that post. Shame on you. :-P

7:31 PM

@GlenH7 thanks for the edit! I guess I also missed a number of examples where same user seemed to rehash old popular stuff :)

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@gnat Did you notice the recent rename on that user account? Used to be Prog.

3 hours ago, by amon

Oh, I just see that the user formerly known as Prog has renamed himself.

@GlenH7 yep that was easy to spot. Rename didn't change habits :)

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Nope....

would be fun if I rename myself to now vacant Prog

7:34 PM

I'm thinking the more appropriate action would have been to edit the previous question slightly and put a bounty on it. thoughts?

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@Ampt The bounty is indeed the appropriate approach.

@gnat but your name is so fitting already. I don't think it would be the same

@Ampt depends on how deep is rehash. Editing of the older question may be "locked" by existing answers. Frankly my main concern is not referring it at all

@gnat Ah, yeah, that is clear I think. He should have included it for everyone's sake.

i mean otherwise answers could be rehashing the same exact answer when he already knows that's not what OP wants

@Ampt yes, if the difference is not substantial, that could be really bad. And bounty in cases like that would be absolutely more appropriate

7:38 PM

and to clarify, I meant no offence with the name thing :) You play a crucial role on the site that is sorely missed when you take breaks.

@Ampt no! I know you wanted to offend! I flagged your message and going to put a series of downvotes on all your posts!!!

don't you know that gnats are extremely sensitive and hate it when called gnats

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@gnat truth be told, I've been known to get rids of gnats (fruit flies) in my house by leaving out a glass of wine and letting them drown. No offence. :-)

@GlenH7 truth to be told, I know that some of them prefer whiskey :)

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I've never had much luck catching them with stronger stuff. Usually needs to be a sweet wine.

@GlenH7 ....and coffee grounds for ants

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7:46 PM

@JimmyHoffa haven't heard of that one

This proposal seems like it is essentially a replacement for the doomed Compiler Design proposal, but with a bit wider focus. Language design and practical compiler design benefit from having a concentrated group of experts, in a way that is not well-served by sites that answer programming and computer science questions of a general nature. This is why the original Compiler Design site was proposed in the first place; despite many howls that it duplicated Stack Overflow, Programmers and Computer Science, those sites seldom produced good answers to such questions. — Robert Harvey 6 mins ago

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@JimmyHoffa huh, really?

@GlenH7 drop a popsicle outside in summer and the next day there's a grip of ants on your driveway right there? Take your used coffee grounds in the filter and all, just set the filter with them out near by. They'll go grab them, carry them into their hole, and die.

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@JimmyHoffa This is useful knowledge.

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coffee grounds kill ants? I didn't know this

7:58 PM

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A: On Stack Exchange, how do I motivate users to prioritize the needs of the community over personal gain?

The best bet is to remove the personal benefit to the bad behavior. If you reward people for a bad behavior, they will continue to do it even if it is bad. In order to prevent it, remove the incentive and, if necessary, add a penalty. Removing point gain from a post that was very clearly not...

It's kind of like "Well, we're going to close the Model Trains proposal because it is a duplicate of the 'modeling' site." That may very well be true, but you're not going to find a more dedicated group of enthusiasts/experts than those on the Trains site, if you're interested in model trains. It's about gathering a community around a specific subject, and we both know how inadequate tag wikis are in that respect. Ubuntu is the existence proof. — Robert Harvey 1 min ago

@GlenH7 I can't claim to know the mechanics, just one of those folk remedies I grew up with where the results speak for themselves-> put out coffee grounds, ants be gone.

Gilles is so infuriating.

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8:22 PM

@RobertHarvey I get the impression that he's trying to argue that the existing CS community is has enough compiler and language designers such that they can handle increasing CS's scope. He'd be making a lot more sense if he said "I don't think a new community could form / could gather sufficient number of experts on such a narrow topic on a stand-alone site."

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Q: What makes a game jam worth participating in?

I'm looking to start my own game jam competition which would encourage people to actually finish a game (I've read a lot of game devs often procrastinate, or never finish a game because they have better ideas along the line). However, as easy as such a thing might be to setup I want to make sure ...

game-development games

^^^ what makes questions like this bad fit for SE Q&A site?

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And to a degree, he has a point. Everybody + their brother has used Ubuntu and can pretend to be an expert. But the number of folk that are really good at compiler or "scientific" language design is fairly small, I would think.

Tags are woefully inadequate aren't they

There has been a lot of discussion at SE corporate about making tag wikis more prominent and better suited for gathering smaller communities, but so far, no action. The only communities that use the tag wikis well are those that have pain points they want to solve, like PHP, Android and C++.

8:38 PM

I imagine corporate is busy doing... whatever joel is interested in at the current moment.

@RobertHarvey You're killing my Area51 "AllTheThings" site proposal.

9:10 PM

I love trying to detail the minutia of tiny things just right to make them small but powerful... make your indirections just so and the littlest bits of code can open up huge abstractions

I assume your header always includes a giant ascii art version of "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"

@Ampt I'll ponder doing this in the future...

trying to get a tiny actor messaging doodad put together in coffeescript, if it works I should be able to just stop using continuations whole sale, because continuations suck.

@Ampt an ascii art that when run as perl provides full documentation

I was originally going to invoke Godwin's law and suggest "Work brings freedom" but that seemed a little too dark.

user55340

9:29 PM

@psr Should make it just so that they can dup other projects to it.

user15026

10:10 PM

User facing product launches are SCARY OMG hides under the desk

@AshleyNunn That's why Dev got smart enough to assemble a QA team to blame when things go wrong :)

"Literally everything broke when we pushed the site live? What the hell were you thinking QA?!"
"There's no data in the database for our site? QAAAAAAAAA!"
"What do you mean that having more than 7 users at once crashes the site?! Didn't QA Test that?!?!"

user15026

@Ampt Unfortunately, I am support so if things go wrong I get to try to solve it

user55340

@Ampt one word: "devops"

@MichaelT Shhh, at the moment I'm doing an internal project for devops

@AshleyNunn meh. They're only scary if you have melodramafreakout employees constantly trying to raise the entire office's temperature through sheer expressions of consternation.

user15026

10:19 PM

@JimmyHoffa There are a few of those yes

lets just say that if all the maven builds fail because none of the resources could be accessed... I didn't do it.

....granted you'll find one of those in probably every other software office...

user55340

@AshleyNunn You should read the DevOps Borat twitter feed and take comfort in knowing that your devs might be better than that.

user55340

@Ampt At employer^^, they restricted access the internet for interns. Ok... maven really likes getting "unauthorized access" pages when it requests a jar. Well, it doesn't know at first... it just takes the file it got and stuffs it in a file named 'something.jar' and then passes it on to java to say "here, try linking with this"

user55340

Java, of course, is none too happy with haven giving it 'something.jar' that contains "<html><head>Unauthorized access</head><body><p>You don't have access to the internet.</p><p>This request has been logged.</p></html>"

10:23 PM

ClassNotFoundExceptions abound?

user55340

I got reasonably good at remembering the arguments for runas on windows so that I could launch a shell for them to then use for a maven build to refresh their local repo.

user55340

@ratchetfreak "thats not even a zip file!" errors.

I need to learn to read.

Maybe I should book an optometrist apt

that seems like the absolute worst thing you could do if you get an access denied

user55340

In startup we are practice Outage Driven Infrastructure.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on March 12, 2013 at 4:38 AM

"LET ME JUST STUFF WHATEVER I GOT INTO A JAR!"

10:27 PM

@Ampt you'd be amazed at what error htmls get's stuffed in files like that

hell clicking "save target as..." could result in a html forward being put in a file

or some useless javascript

that's even better really.

user55340

Every 2 day outage is start with wide eye dream of change world.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on January 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

user15026

Oh goodness

user15026

@MichaelT This...is scarily apt

user55340

In devops we are put fail in failover.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on January 15, 2013 at 6:57 PM

10:31 PM

Looks like it's been abandoned for a while

wonder if someone in devops lost the password.

user55340

@Ampt Theres still quite a few gems in there.

user55340

Is not site outage if nobody is tweet of it.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on November 12, 2012 at 3:49 PM

user15026

@MichaelT Or yelling on forums.

user55340

For devops TODO list I recommend use hash table.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on June 26, 2012 at 9:45 PM

@MichaelT Holy crap these are solid gold.

user55340

10:34 PM

If you can not able use Perl for answer, you are ask wrong question.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on December 18, 2012 at 4:59 AM

Also, recursively polling web server for all of it's files and folders: Awesome, or definitely awesome?

user55340

For every of stakeholder involve in your project is completion of project delay by 6 month.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on February 24, 2013 at 3:12 AM

user55340

(I'll admit I like the pro-perl and anti-ruby bits in there...)

user55340

Rockstar programmer are just as you and me but they can also able write insecure Ruby code.

Tweeted by DEVOPS_BORAT on February 6, 2013 at 4:42 PM

@MichaelT TRUTH.

user55340

10:39 PM

Twitter’s CEO Will Respond To Whether He’s High Once He Finishes These Doritos (note the url for that article)

10:55 PM

@JimmyHoffa All kinds of continuations? Are you giving up async and await as well?

async/await are fine and dandy.. until you have to consume async code from a WF 1.0 workflow.

then the whole "Let async/await code spread naturally throughout your appliccation" falls apart.

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