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Takkat

18:00

@katyasehgal The original problem is a bad drive. It probably needs a replacement, I'm afraid.

Mahesh

True story. Though I'm confused all day what that might mean..

katya sehgal

@Takkat tree would mean structure, which preserves orignal things.

Takkat

@katyasehgal yeah that.

katya sehgal

@Takkat oh. sectors can't be solved or disk reformatted and all?

Mahesh

@JorgeCastro @MarcoCeppi chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9516702#9516702

Takkat

18:01

@katyasehgal Thing is we don't really know what is broken and what not. This may make your system pretty unstable.

Jorge Castro

lol

Mahesh

:P BBT

katya sehgal

@Takkat as such replacement only solution?

Takkat

@Mahesh I see FADE in the list of UTT animations \o/ :) great!!!

@katyasehgal it is.

Mahesh

@Takkat wait was it added recently? coz if it was, I missed reading that commit diff. :P

HackToHell

18:03

hallo

Takkat

@Mahesh I had an update coming in today and took a look.

Mahesh

Oh. must be due to the guy who proposed a SRU.

he did all the paperwork for us and cherrypicked a couple commits that prevent crashes.

jokerdino

'guy'? He's Andrew.

Takkat

:)

Mahesh

oh @jokerdino you are here....

katya sehgal

18:06

@Takkat Thank you Takkat. I guess a new drive will be expensive. Will consider options. Till then whatdo you advise.... use system but not store information?

Takkat

The crash in my shot does not come from UTT!

jokerdino

@Takkat fade was there since the last version.

@Mahesh so, is it 'tonight'?

Mahesh

:| sorry..

Takkat

@jokerdino I may have missed it then. It was not on the vanilla Saucy I installed right after it came out. But now it is :)

Marco Ceppi

@Mahesh It wasn't a dream

Takkat

18:08

@katyasehgal Backup more often than regularly

jokerdino

@Takkat Hah I don't know. I don't use that option.

Mahesh

@MarcoCeppi O_O

katya sehgal

@Takkat do i need another backup after this if I am not saving anything to the drive now?

jokerdino

@Mahesh is it time yet? ..

Takkat

@jokerdino I need that option because my VM plays catch the snail with me otherwise.

Mahesh

18:10

@jokerdino yes. and stuff is done. I just need to do some finishing touches.

Takkat

@katyasehgal deja dup will make incremental backups, hopefully. But as soon as you add mp3 or video they are not in a safe place.

jokerdino

@Mahesh okay. let me know

Takkat

BRB

jokerdino

also, we should stop messing with master.

katya sehgal

@Takkat okay

also, how do I use update manager till then?

Mahesh

18:11

@jokerdino by any slim chance, do I know andrewsomething?

jokerdino

@Mahesh maybe not you. I do.

Mahesh

@jokerdino what do you propose?

@jokerdino oh, okay. :P

jokerdino

@Mahesh master/stable/testing/unstable/experimental-topic branches

Mahesh

@jokerdino cool.

jokerdino

andrewsomething, New York, NY

14.8k 3 31 88

katya sehgal

18:12

@Takkat @jokerdino I am certain that the update stopped this time owing to internet disruption. Is there not a away where i can delete/uninstall partially dependent update and then download and install it again?

Mahesh

@katyasehgal if the download stopped midway, it stopped. next time you update, it resumes.

btw #43 @jokerdino

BBL. feeling damn sleepy

jokerdino

@Mahesh night

katya sehgal

okay.

i understand that download stops and resumes. And that bad sectors coming in the way. But is there a way we can undo the latest install and reinstall it to check?

jokerdino

just do what you were doing.

katya sehgal

@jokerdino As in?

jokerdino

18:19

apt-get -f install

katya sehgal

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ apt-get -f install
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[sudo] password for anil:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libqtscript4-webkit libqtscript4-qtbindings libqtscript4-phonon

so is there a way to remove and purge the latest install and then redo it... I am just hoping against hope :)

jokerdino

you could try removing older kernels.

katya sehgal

@jokerdino you had mentioned this the last time.

how do I do it?

jokerdino

apt-get remove linux-header [tab]

and remove anything less than 30 or something

katya sehgal

ok, my net will be off for 10 mins [some policy]
I will follow what you wrote.
But can we deal with this?

"The following NEW packages will be installed:
linux-headers-3.2.0-43 "

obviously these were downloaded to be installed.

jokerdino

18:24

yep

it can't install because of lack of space.

katya sehgal

so even if my internet had worked perfectly, the same problem would have occurred?

jokerdino

yeah i think so

katya sehgal

apt-get remove linux-header [tab] gave me a very long list ... and could not locate package linux-header

jokerdino

hm, [tab] means you should press tab

katya sehgal

i get only a dash

jokerdino

18:27

go for it

katya sehgal

in case net stops, ill be back in 10-15 mins

doing it

jokerdino

tab again

type 3 after dash

katya sehgal

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-
linux-headers-3.2.0-23 linux-headers-3.2.0-35-generic-pae
linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-36
linux-headers-3.2.0-29 linux-headers-3.2.0-36-generic-pae
linux-headers-3.2.0-29-generic-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-37
linux-headers-3.2.0-30 linux-headers-3.2.0-37-generic-pae
linux-headers-3.2.0-30-generic-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-38
linux-headers-3.2.0-31 linux-headers-3.2.0-38-generic-pae

jokerdino

you can remove a lot of them.

those are the package's name.

sudo apt-get remove <package name>

pretty much remove all the ones below 35

katya sehgal

Result same...

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-3.2.0-23
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic-pae : Depends: linux-headers-3.2.0-23 but it is not going to be installed
linux-headers-3.2.0-43-generic-pae : Depends: linux-headers-3.2.0-43 but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).

jokerdino

18:43

oh dear. it's a catch

katya sehgal

...

jokerdino

dpkg -r <package>

katya sehgal

like dpkg -r linux-headers-3.2.0-23 ?

jokerdino

yeah

katya sehgal

...

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo dpkg -r linux-headers-3.2.0-23
dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of linux-headers-3.2.0-23:
linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic-pae depends on linux-headers-3.2.0-23.
dpkg: error processing linux-headers-3.2.0-23 (--remove):
dependency problems - not removing
Errors were encountered while processing:
linux-headers-3.2.0-23
anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$

jokerdino

18:46

remove the generic-pae then

katya sehgal

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo dpkg -r linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic-pae
(Reading database ... 585580 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic-pae ...
anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$

shall I do the same till 34?

jokerdino

hm, yeah

may the goodness juice be with you.

katya sehgal

goodness juice?

jokerdino

good luck.

katya sehgal

done till 34. can i also remove the latest installs and retry???
I want to be able to update my ubuntu.

jokerdino

18:51

what's the latest installs?

katya sehgal

the one that got disrupted, the one that needs dependencies.

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ apt-get -f install
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
[sudo] password for anil:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libqtscript4-webkit libqtscript4-qtbindings libqtscript4-phonon

twitter? :)

jokerdino

err, try this now sudo dpkg -r linux-headers-3.2.0-23

katya sehgal

not root???

Rinzwind

I missed the 2nd command

katya sehgal

@jokerdino done

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo dpkg -r linux-headers-3.2.0-23
(Reading database ... 526558 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-headers-3.2.0-23 ...
anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$

jokerdino

18:54

@katyasehgal until 34

katya sehgal

yessir

jokerdino

it's already Tuesday and I hate waking up in the morning

katya sehgal

@jokerdino ok. you want to sleep.

jokerdino

No. I hate waking up.

Rinzwind

@jokerdino we had a holiday this monday :=D

jokerdino

18:56

Rinzwind

@jokerdino you can use kut or klote ;-)

yay for non english swear words >:D

jokerdino

w@w

katya sehgal

@jokerdino done till 34

jokerdino

apt-get -f

Rinzwind

sudo! sudo :=D

katya sehgal

18:58

typed. got a list

ending with this APT has SUper Cow powers

2

Rinzwind

cows ftw! :)

jokerdino

err, i meant apt-get -f install

katya sehgal

@Rinzwind indeed

I think it happened

jokerdino

what happened?

katya sehgal

anil@anil-Inspiron-1420:~$ sudo apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libqtscript4-webkit libqtscript4-qtbindings libqtscript4-phonon
libqtscript4-opengl libqtscript4-sql libqtscript4-svg
libqtscript4-xmlpatterns
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
linux-headers-3.2.0-43

jokerdino

19:01

finally

finally, i got it right.

katya sehgal

cows and jokerdino ftw!!!

so how come it worked now?

jokerdino

@katyasehgal you might regret saying that ;)

Rinzwind

@katyasehgal jokerdino eats cows for lunch :X

jokerdino

and you are yet to explain the anil vs katya.

katya sehgal

haha

will this happen again... space and all?

@jokerdino I thought you are so busy you will forget

jokerdino

19:03

@katyasehgal it might happen.

katya sehgal

:|

jokerdino

@katyasehgal haha. I noted it in my diary deep down

@katyasehgal but then you know it is solvable and you know how to solve it too

katya sehgal

can I save these steps somehow?

this conversation?

jokerdino

yeah.

you can bookmark it or something

katya sehgal

ctrl + s?

jokerdino

19:05

this chat has a bookmark feature

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Bookmarked 4 secs ago by jokerdino

katya sehgal

great name! checking it

so solution is to always remove old kernels and then retry

jokerdino

seems like it

katya sehgal

until a new drive.

:|

jokerdino

:D

katya sehgal

@jokerdino thank you so much.

jokerdino

19:08

thank you

katya sehgal

ya, thank me. Good students make good teachers :D

jokerdino

You got it too right. lol

katya sehgal

@jokerdino salute.

Nathan Osman

@jokerdino: Do you have an Android phone?

jokerdino

@NathanOsman I did.

I can get it back from my sister. What up?

katya sehgal

19:10

thankyou @Takkat as well.
and @Rinzwind

good night.

Rinzwind

@katyasehgal I did nothing!

and good evening >:)

katya sehgal

you sudo-ed me

:P

made me connect to me 'root'

*my

Nathan Osman

@jokerdino: The 2buntu app is ready for testing.

jokerdino

Oh nice.

I'll get to testing it tomorrow-ish.

Takkat

back - and missed it all.

mojo706

19:19

missed what?

Takkat

The rescue of @katyasehgal's computer.

mojo706

oh

Seth

20:10

Hi @mojo706!

So.. There was a command line way of creating notify-osd style notifications..

Does anyone know what it is?

Takkat

@Seth notify-send --> askubuntu.com/questions/108764/…

Seth

Thanks!

Takkat

18

Q: How can I send a custom desktop notification?

I have a custom script and I want to send a desktop notification (the one that appears in the top right corner of the screen) with a custom message. How do I do that?

notification notify-send

^Better

Seth

Nothing happens when I do that though... I know it used to work.

on 12.10..

Takkat

nothing is too few

Seth

20:15

Hm?

That was what I had used before though. +1 for you :D

Takkat

It works on 13.10

Seth

Hmm.

Let me log out and log back in.

Takkat

this is always a last resort

just before reboot and reinstall.

Seth

Nope. That didn't do it.

@Takkat What is?

Takkat

Do you get any errors

Seth

20:21

No..

Takkat

silence in terminal is eerie

Seth

Yeah... It acts like it worked.

Let me go remove some packages.

I have a mess of gnome fallback, KDE and Cinnamon lying around.

Takkat

This mess is hard to get resolved from purging things.

Seth

Sure, but I've noticed my volume notifications have become gnome-ish recently.

I figured that might have something to do with this.

Takkat

Theme-less notifications may be invisible.

Wasn't there some hax to theme the bubbles?

Seth

20:25

Hmm. How could that happen?

@Takkat I never saw any.. But there probably were.

Takkat

I cant remember too

Seth

Gotta be careful when removing packages with the word "gnome" ;)

I once removed online accounts when I was trying to purge gnome shell.

Takkat

no only then... unfortunately.

Seth

Because it was called gnome something or other.

Takkat

<-- still has 50% of KDE on one of my boxes.

Now the upgrades take longer there.

Seth

20:28

Hmm. Do I need gnome-session?

Takkat

Not if you're not on GNOME but you are. So yes, you need it.

Seth

I'm not on Gnome itself.

I'm using Unity, though that depends on some Gnome stuff.

Takkat

Unity is GNOME3 + better user experience.

(IMO better because we need fewer user actions to get where we want.)

Seth

Errg. Still not quite gone.

Takkat

oh gosh notify has many rdepends.... O.o

^^did you see this typo? It's these what make my life so hard. How can any human being spot nofity in a code....

Seth

20:36

sigh

Its so hard to remove everything a meta package installs..

Takkat

Most of the time there is not really an urgent need to purge things. I mostly leave them.

Seth

Well when they're overwriting your defaults...

Takkat

They will not be restored from purging.

Seth

Oh?

Takkat

They may be removed with purging, but not if they are used by another app.

Try if your guest account can send bubbles. Then its "only" a setting in your /home

Seth

20:39

KK

Takkat

But settings in /home are never touched by a purge.

Seth

Nope.

No bubbles.

Takkat

aargh.

Seth

That's what my volume notifications look like now..

Gnome style.

Takkat

My daskeyboard has no media keys.

Seth

20:42

Oh.. Don't you know what the default looks like though?

Takkat

Never saw them. Wait - my Bluetooth headset sometimes does that.

Seth

Well I'll finish removing garbage and get back to you.

I know you don't think that will help.

Takkat

~~Be very extremely careful when purging!~~ Better dont purge.

Seth

I will ;-)

You're a good mentor @Takkat.

Takkat

No I only made some very bad experiences in the past.

A wonder I still stick to Ubuntu

Seth

20:46

I'm not sure I quite understand..

I was saying you're quite good at helping people.

Takkat

Thank you - but sometimes being too careful is bad. It does not help you learning the hard way ;)

Which is the best way.

Seth

I guess it is.. I'm not prepared for a reinstall right at the moment though :P

Takkat

Seth

Hm. Unity or Gnome?

Takkat

Your icons are better than mine.

GNOME fallback 12.04 but its the same with Unity.

Seth

20:50

Weird. That's not what Unity is supposed to look like.

Takkat

If anything is ugly then this.

Seth

Must have to do with Gnome fallback.. like I said ;)

Takkat

Never saw anything better - it may be a Bluez thing however.

Seth

Well if I ever get the default back I'll show you :)

Takkat

Just checked it: no such icon with Bluez on saucy. Hmm.

But it recognized my headset.

Seth

20:56

There we go!

\o/

Takkat

\o/

Seth

Though I lost by desktop background now XD

Takkat

What did you purge?

Seth

Anyway, that's what the the volume notifications are supposed to look like.

@Takkat A bunch of KDE stuff, and then I ran sudo apt-get install --reinstall notify-osd

I think that's what did it.

Takkat

there is no notify-send package...

Seth

20:58

notify-osd not notify-send.

Takkat

That's why I did not find it send == osd

why?

install osd if you want to send.

Seth

osd was already installed.

It comes by default.

Takkat

it does. But you needed to --reinstall it.

Seth

Right.

To place it on top of the Gnome notifications.

Takkat

aaargh - my app segfaults when running in saucy.

Seth

21:01

Remember, I said that the volume notifications were Gnome styled after I installed gnome-session-fallback?

Takkat

yeah you said so.

Seth

Reinstalling notify-osd put itself back as default. At least that's my theory.

@Takkat :/

Takkat

I hope it's because of VirtualBox. At least it was in 13.04.

> line 3: 2983 Segmentation fault

Not that I wanted to know more...

Lucio

21:15

@FEichinger I do understand now

Takkat

21:30

BBT

Nathan Osman

22:48

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