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Seth

19:01

You are cool. End of conversation :)

Mahesh

@LuisAlvarado I dont think that notice is required at the top.

Seth

Except this is the right link.

Luis Alvarado

Simplify it then

maybe a "This is the list of drivers mentioned here...

Mahesh

I recommend the notice be removed.

Seth

@Mahesh It's a canonical question.

Notices are good.

@LuisAlvarado Could we shorten it a little bit maybe?

Mahesh

19:05

It is, and that is an excellent answer.

but i felt that notice was unnecessary.

Seth

BAH

Bruno killed it :(

Luis Alvarado

@Seth updated answer

do you like it now?

Mahesh

may be just make another question that is totally generic and move the answer there?

Bruno Pereira

@Seth unnecessary clutter

Mahesh

*copy

Seth

19:06

@LuisAlvarado no, I meant the notice. The notice was too long.

Luis Alvarado

@Mahesh yes that would be good

@Seth just kidding buddy haha

Seth

just read it... LOL

random guy comes along "Who's Seth?? Is this guy crazy??"

Luis Alvarado

haha

FEichinger

... You crazy, crazy people

Mahesh

I cannot decide the three yet. contestants are awesome.

Seth

19:10

@FEichinger I AM CRAZY!!

FEichinger

Nothing new.

Seth

I guess not.

ugh, chat code is so un-optimized.

FEichinger

That code is really not the most user-friendly thing I've seen. Aren't there better ways? And the second question you linked to is actually a [friend-request] where the Moderator-only tag [status-bydesign] is kind of a decisive "no" answer. By the way, I'd like the table support. — Alenanno Jul 6 '12 at 19:29

Does MSO use "[friend-request]" as slang for feature-request?

Seth

probably

Luis Alvarado

You guys are crazy.. crazyyyy I tell you!!! (Star this comment will only affirm you lunatic state)

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FEichinger

19:18

0

Q: Most recent bad behaviours of SO users I have faced

I have a serious question with Stackoverflow,and I think meta is a good place to make myself correct on my confusions. As we know SO is a Q/A forum. But when I am putting questions users in a group keep continuing down-vote. After that when I did edit,no one corrected the voting.Being a question...

AbrahamVanHelpsing

that moment when you tilt your phone to try and move one of the bird in angry birds.

FEichinger

I've never ever heard of anything like this - have you? I mean, I can't really think of anything that could be wrong with the SO community. No way!

Seth

@FEichinger 1 minute: 1 edit, 5 downvotes and 3 comments. Watched that happen 30 minutes ago.

Luis Alvarado

That moment when you answer your cellphone, tell the caller to hang on while you look for a pen and paper and literally put the cellphone on the table and go look for the pen and paper

Best, english course possible

Askubuntu, where you learn english because you are FORCED TO!!

Seth

19:35

lol

@FEichinger Have you gotten a chance to try my answer yet?

FEichinger

@Seth Nope. But I'll probably do some coding tonight, so .. reboot incoming. :)

Seth

Okay great.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Upgrade matplotlib to 1.2 or 1.3

I am trying to upgrade my python matplotlib but for some reason I can't get it to upgrade. I originally installed matplotlib with: apt-get install python-matplotlib which was fine. However it defaulted to version 1.1 I then downloaded the 1.2 source from the website and then extracted the tar.g...

ubuntu python

Seth

I'm getting reports of errors and I need someone who actually knows what they are doing to help me find their source.

@UbuntuQuestionsonU&L So, when do we actually answer your questions anyways?

FEichinger

@Seth We don't. We think about "Can we migrate this?" and decide No.

Seth

19:40

ah OK.

@gertvdijk @FEichinger meta.stackoverflow.com/a/167034/203389 <-- needs upvotes.

FEichinger

Already did.

Seth

okay great.

Jack

Is there somewhere I could get some guidance on how to do reviews?

Luis Alvarado

@Jack reviews like what?

like the ones in askubuntu.com/review

Seth

7

Q: Review queue tutorial

Personally, I feel sometimes confused when rejecting suggested edits, which one option to choose between Invalid edit, Radical change or even Vandalism... I propose, that it would be nice to have an option (eventually obligation) to get trough some tutorial per review queue, when I get enough re...

feature-request review tutorials

FEichinger

19:45

1

A: "Review Low Quality Posts" does not let you say that posts can be improved

Looks Good Don't do that. As you said, it doesn't look good, it is not sufficient, it is not elaborate enough. Looks Good should be used for posts that, well, look good. Posts that are fine without an edit, are on-topic and don't need any other action taken. Edit This is exactly what you shoul...

Jack

How to do them properly? Like first time posts.

FEichinger

6

A: What to do when reviewing a good Q/A?

Upvote and press Skip Don't do this. Upvoting is a legitimate review, why would you skip it then? Skipping it does not count it as reviewed by you, and just keeps it in the pool. Skippping should mostly be used when you're not sure. For example: You remember something similar being around, so...

Seth

43

Q: If you're not going to review and fix questions, don't use the review queue!

I was sort of happy when I saw that the day after release we had 0 incoming new questions in the review queue! Aww man, nothing for me to do, everyone's taken care of all the incoming questions! Then I investigated by just manually reviewing the 12.10 tag. Many are missing any kind of informatio...

discussion review

Jack

Whoa.

Seth

15

Q: Request: Please take time while reviewing close votes

First I must say, the new review system is great. It is easier to review items, especially the linked duplicate question tab is very useful. But I think, the easiness of reviewing posts has posed good possibility of bad review. I have seen some questions (I'm not willing to give a link here) ge...

discussion vote-to-close review

Jack

19:45

Thanks.

FEichinger

We have lots of stuff on that. :D

Seth

5

Q: How to watch for hidden gems?

In late answers review I found a helping notice as: This is a new user's answer to an old question. Watch for hidden gems, non-answers, and spam I understand what non-answers and spam refers to, but what is meant by hidden gems? I don't want the meaning; I want to know how can we find the h...

discussion support review

Luis Alvarado

@Jack I think you have just noticed the power of some members

Jack

That's why you guys are here. :)

Seth

One more:

FEichinger

19:46

:8053945 Already linked to that :P

Jack

Ok.

How do I take over the world?

Seth

yeah

FEichinger

I love having answers to those questions, makes them so easy to find.

Jack

(Just kidding)

FEichinger

Jack

19:48

Whoa! You have an answer for EVERYTHING!

Manishearth

FEichinger

Manishearth

^^beer may always help

Or, jackie chan style:

FEichinger

Luis Alvarado

WAR OF THE LINKS!!!

FEichinger

19:49

Interesting how they're all beta.

Luis Alvarado

ULTIMATE LINK FIGHTING!!

FEichinger

Research War.

Manishearth

Jack

Maybe that is why no one has taken over the world yet.

Manishearth

And, of course, you need someone to design your warheads

I recommend:

Luis Alvarado

19:50

LOL

Manishearth

</self plug>

It is a startup

Luis Alvarado

The more Manishearth posts links, the more am scare

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Manishearth

FEichinger

Can we just cut this short?

ZDroid

Hi!

FEichinger

19:55

Hi!

Manishearth

@FEichinger sure :)

@LuisAlvarado :P

ZDroid

Does any1 tried this omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/how-to-run-mate-desktop-in-gnome-shell? :D

Manishearth

links are fun

jrg

Nobody has taken over the world yet because the Stack Exchange sites don't have the required information.

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Manishearth

@jrg that's our goal though

ZDroid

20:00

Can any1 help me meta.askubuntu.com/questions/6051/table-making-bug?

Manishearth

Read about this chemical, for example

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@jrg Go to history beta and ask a question about Genghis Khan

jrg

@Abraham will definitely consider it, :-P

FEichinger

@ZDroid You posted a feature-request. That pretty much means SE staff might at some point look into it and decide whether or not to implement it. What we can say right now is: It's not possible at this point.

ZDroid

Why not?

FEichinger

20:02

Well, because.

ZDroid

That's MD core specs

FEichinger

Seriously, there's no answer other than "it's not implemented"

ZDroid

hahah :D

FEichinger

I'm no mind-reader, I don't know what makes them decide not to use it, it makes no logical sense, but it's the case.

ZDroid

you maybe want to answer

Seth

20:04

@jrg yet

jrg

There is no markdown spec. codinghorror.com/blog/2012/10/the-future-of-markdown.html

ZDroid

ok, that isn't specs, that is syntax, core syntax

FEichinger

Markdown is a mess anyway.

ZDroid

hah

lol @FEichinger

FEichinger

There's a new one about it on MSO, btw: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/138946/…

ZDroid

20:10

bitbucket.org/site/master/issue/5983/md-in-wiki-hasnt-ht

See that, than say any. See Alexis Reigel's reply. So, your MD doesn't meet specs.

jrg

There is no spec. just peoples interpretation of a few basic thing.

ZDroid

lol

MD Syntax page is specs ^^

AbrahamVanHelpsing

why cry about it. feature not implemented. end of story.

ZDroid

What cry? ^^

jrg

it also hasn't been updated seriously since 2004.

ZDroid

20:15

lol

but see <table> example in sytax page

jrg

that in and of itself is enough to make me seriously wonder. :P

Jorge Castro

shrug, tables would be nice, but it's not like the site sorely needs them

ZDroid

ok, but how you can say never if any1 need that? :D

jrg

it's just like HTML5, not all implementations of the spec are at the same point in their development.

Jorge Castro

shrug, it doesn't keep me awake at night

jrg

20:17

There are things that work in firefox that don't work in chrome.

if people need it, then SE will build it.

ZDroid

OK

jrg

in the meantime, i've never been in a situation where i'd need tables.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

speaking of html5 did you see the shattervideo demo? neat stuff.

jrg

no. duckduckgo-ing.

ZDroid

html5search.com

AbrahamVanHelpsing

20:20

@jrg craftymind.com/factory/html5video/CanvasVideo.html

Luis Alvarado

@Nazariy - Gave you an answer here: superuser.com/questions/549206/ubuntu-service-unknown-instance/… ^^

jrg

oh man, that's cool @AbrahamVanHelpsing

@ZDroid eh, duckduckgo works. nice find though.

ZDroid

no

google-only :D

Or you maybe search SO (StackOverflow)

FEichinger

I love how HTML5 suddenly made us all stop caring about backwards-compatibility.

ZDroid

lol

FEichinger

20:23

For years we pay web developers huge sums to keep sites working in IE6 and the such.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@FEichinger At some point you have to drain the bath-water

FEichinger

Then HTML5 comes along and we all go "Meh, screw that shit, let's just focus on the new stuff."

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Sure, but we went from "Get this working, even on Netscape!" to "Yeh, well, we don't care anymore, just make it fancy."

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I'm not saying sites should just stop rendering at all. Relatively graceful degradation to "Hey, even a phone browses this page properly. You really should install a normal web browser"

jrg

uh, let me tell you, we haven't gone that far yet @FEichinger

people are still paying good money for it to work well in older browsers.

and at work we have a system that has a webui that only renders properly in IE.

Seth

chat needs a redesign.

jrg

20:28

why

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth ?

FEichinger

The sites that focus on actually complying with HTML5 usually have at best a small note "Might not work in your browser."

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing Have you looked at the code?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Heh...no

Seth

Its on giant mess of <div>s

FEichinger

20:29

The whole of SE needs to get the hell away from tables.

Seth

<div>s I tell you!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Ohthat...yes. It's easy to parse though.

Seth

It takes three <div>s for one message! Ugh.

</rant>

FEichinger

Well, it's not semantically correct HTML.

Seth

Well at least I can access the text.

I thought we purged error?

'cause its back.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

20:34

I thought it was purged more than once...

Seth

guess that calls for a blacklist request.

George Edison

Time for some fun - I need to rename a lot of files in a repository.

Seth

@AbrahamVanHelpsing request-submitted

jrg

we blacklisted bug

or rather, asked nicely.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

20:52

Just dropping it in here from time to time. This bug could use some heat, specifically since it deals with the launchpad auto-build not exactly working right all the time: bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1120870

George Edison

I was just reading about Canonical's dilemma in regards to X11/Wayland.

They're making a huge mistake if they don't adopt Wayland.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I don't know. Wayland is interesting, but I wonder how much it will help/hurt break things. Long game yes, great. But people are just getting over the pain of hot hardware and Unity changes.

George Edison

I'm thinking on Linux as a whole here.

X11 is an absolute disaster. There's no doubt about that.

The code is a mess, the organization is a mess.

gertvdijk

What do you mean "closed as too localized"? Data is still lost on AU! — gertvdijk 36 secs ago

Looks like they're not fixing the data loss for AU

George Edison

The fact that accelerated graphics work at all on Linux is a small wonder.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

21:02

Sure. It's one heck of an undertaking though to pull out the thing that is responsible for as much as X and plop in something else. Just saying.

George Edison

Oh, I agree 100%.

FEichinger

@gertvdijk Yes, let's make new questions on MSO for every single lost post!

gertvdijk

@FEichinger exactly what I was thinking.

George Edison

It will break things... but considering the fact that the latest version of Qt (5.0) ships with a working Wayland backend - it must be quite mature.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

For that matter, will all the GUI toolkits still work? I see you checked your baby, but what about GTK? others?

Seth

21:04

@gertvdijk How do you talk to these MSO people?

sigh

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@Seth carefully

George Edison

@AbrahamVanHelpsing I don't know.

Seth

we've been talking carefully.

George Edison

And that's an important question to have answered.

gertvdijk

@Seth yeah, it's like "la la la la - I'm not hearing you!" closed

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George Edison

21:05

@Seth I'll flag the question for you if you provide a link.

Sometimes that gets a response.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@GeorgeEdison Yes. I think that should be answered first. Do all the "common" GUI toolkits work on Wayland. Fix that first.

Seth

@gertvdijk IKR.

gertvdijk

Anyway, I'm making it a MAU Q now.

Seth

that's worth a star.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@George Nothing like a unilateral decision that could force a rewrite for a third of all guis in existence. That would be pain.

George Edison

21:07

Well it has to be done at some point.

Unless X12 gets adopted...

Seth

there are 5 edits in the queue if anyone has time.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I mean sure...tkinter doesn't have a backend on wayland - no problem. But something as oft-used as Gtk should be working. That way you don't break all the existing code.

George Edison

Yeah, I know what you mean - you can probably count on one hand the number of developers that actively write applications that use tkinter.

(I actually worked with tkinter at one point... many years ago...)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

perl tcl/tk yes?

George Edison

Nope, Python.

It actually ships with the Python Windows installers.

So you can count on it always being available.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

21:11

yeah. that's true.

Seth

well i got that sorted... but now the problem is that the remote control is not connecting either using bluetooth or wifi... any idea?? i installed 4.0.1.0 — Nirmik 2 mins ago

remote control?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

he probably has a media remote. my hp has one

Seth

probably a different problem then, unless he killed something important.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

wait, but that's not related to libre-office... maybe a presentation pointer with a next button? did shortcut keys change?

Seth

request-eliah-answer <-- We need that tag

7

(someone star that please)

@AbrahamVanHelpsing well, we will see what he replies.

the remote control app for android for impress... it was not connecting for some reason... but its working now!! ;) — Nirmik 18 secs ago

@AbrahamVanHelpsing good grief. --^

well at least it was related to LO.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

21:19

at least it works

Seth

yes that's good.

gertvdijk

@FEichinger @Seth Some data lost after Stack Exchange server migration Feb. 9

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I wonder what happens to embedded webkit browser local storage when the app closes. Does it purge? If it saves, then where? ...

Ask Ubuntu Meta

3

Q: Can we *please* blacklist the error tag?

The error has reappeared after at lease 2 purges. Can we please blacklist this tag? Reasons for this have been discussed several times already: The 'error' tag should be blacklisted Why do we have an “error” tag? Request: Burnination and Blacklisting of [error] tag.

discussion tags tag-blacklist-request

3

Q: Some data lost after Stack Exchange server migration Feb. 9

As some of you have noticed, the SE admins were migrating the services to the NY data centre again yesterday. Unfortunately, some data seems to have been lost in the minutes before the site became read-only. It's at least a few minutes, but maybe more. On MSO, this has been discussed, as it was ...

support bug stackexchange

George Edison

21:38

@gertvdijk: Can you see if my website is responding faster?

I switched to debug mode.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison blazing fast. Literally.

George Edison

Great, then I've found the problem.

django-compress is malfunctioning.

Seth

great. Glad you found the problem. It so fast, I'm amazed.

George Edison

@Seth: Is it still fast?

I just switched off debug mode but kept django-compress disabled.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

What, it's not pre-compressing and cache-ing? It's running the compression operation constantly on every asset requested?

George Edison

21:42

@AbrahamVanHelpsing No, no - only on the first request.

Seth

@GeorgeEdison yes

George Edison

At least that's what it's supposed to do.

As soon as you request a "unique" combination of static assets, it is built on the fly and kept in a cache.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Yeah. That's what I was getting at. If it's not cache-ing it, that would explain it.

Seth

Wow, I should answer my own question more often.

FEichinger

21:55

@Seth Doing it now.

Seth

great thanks :)

Gui

what happened to Youtube.com?

FEichinger

Nothing, I think?

Seth

nothing on my end.

there are no mods here :(

Eliah Kagan

@Gui YouTube.com is working fine for me; a video is playing on my machine right now. What's happening for you?

AbrahamVanHelpsing

22:02

This is awesome: wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-03/31/kinect-drone I wonder how long before that gets turned in to a tool to generate 3D models of building in 3DS Max or Blender?

gertvdijk

@GeorgeEdison a lot better

George Edison

Great.

FEichinger

@Seth Worked perfectly fine.

Seth

@FEichinger Excellent. Thanks.

Someone needs to check suggested edits.

I see 8 there.

Gui

@EliahKagan no it works fine... but they redesigned it...

George Edison

22:08

Ugh...

We are currently investigating some issues with the tool we use for compressing static files - page load times may be affected.

Tweeted by quickms on February 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Seth

@Gui Not like it wasn't made by Google right?

George Edison

Random comments.

Eliah Kagan

@Gui I haven't noticed a difference today. Maybe the redesign is being rolled out to some users before others?

FEichinger

@GeorgeEdison How do you manage to attract a spambot that fast?

Gui

FEichinger

22:10

@Gui It's been like that for a while already, actually. But, yeh, same as every two to five months: REDESIGN!

Seth

@GeorgeEdison If I append www to your domain, I get a Check your Ondina control panel message

Gui

oh... why did it take me so long to notice then?

Eliah Kagan

Oh yeah, it's been like that for me for a while.

FEichinger

@Gui Always went directly for videos, or checked the "actual" front page rather than the dashboard?

Many reasons, I'm still no mind-reader.

Gui

Maybe... or maybe I am just no "Sherlock Holmes"

FEichinger

22:12

@Seth You may want to recommend deleting the tarball + directory after installing.

Seth

@FEichinger hmm yeah, probably a good idea.

just rm dirName right?

George Edison

@Seth Hmm...

@FEichinger No clue.

Alvar

askubuntu.com/q/217494/10698 dupe?

Seth

@Alvar TL;DR

Alvar

??

Seth

22:22

Too long; didn't read.

Alvar

just read the topic

the rest is just that google doesn't work and that wubi isn't an iso file so he can't make it a bootable live cd.

Seth

you aren't supposed to make a LiveCD of WUBI :S

Alvar

yeah i know :P

Seth

just close as TL IMO

Alvar

can we close it as not constructive or what?

or that

Seth

22:25

or NARQ

Alvar

or NC

Seth

maybe..

Alvar

or just TL :P

askubuntu.com/q/217494/10698 CLOSE AS TL

do it!

Seth

closed as NARQ

Alvar

@Seth btw is there a question on how you create a Ubuntu live cd?

can't find one...

FEichinger

22:29

Ouch ... Just got informed a friend of mine passed away last week. Think I'm gonna call it a day for now. Cya, folks.

Alvar

ehm cya...

Seth

Cya @FEichinger.

gertvdijk

@FEichinger ouch. sad to hear. all the best. cya.

Seth

@Alvar idk, but I have to run as well.

Alvar

@gertvdijk do you know if there is a question on how to create a live cd for ubuntu?

can't find one...

but it might be off-topic to ask on how to do it in windows/mac/ubuntu

gertvdijk

22:32

@Alvar as in, how to burn ISO to CD?

Alvar

ANYONE HERE? :S

@gertvdijk no as in creating a live cd

for usb

who uses cd no days anyway?!

gertvdijk

customized or plain ISO to USB?

you ask CD!

Alvar

plain normal ubuntu

LIVE CD

gertvdijk

31 secs ago, by Alvar

@gertvdijk no as in creating a live cd

CD != USB flash drive :)

Alvar

@gertvdijk live cd = bootable usb where you can try ubuntu first

gertvdijk

22:34

@Alvar I'm not sure if I can follow that. CD is an optical disc. USB flash drive is something else. anyway: ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows

Alvar

@gertvdijk yeah someting like that link...

gertvdijk

in the sidebar there are instructions for other OSs. I always link to there

Alvar

booting form live cd is what you mean when you boot with the GUI installer on a USB device.

@gertvdijk ok, just thought we should have a tutorial for it here, but realized it might be off topic isnce windows/mac is off topic here...

:(

Seth

LiveUSB

Alvar

I've alwyas thought live cd was the name of the installer...

beacuse it's the same program...

Seth

22:38

Well, I gotta run, but can we get a few more questions to 10 votes here please:

60

Amateur Radio

Proposed Q&A site for amateur radio enthusiasts

Currently in definition.

Alvar

anyway live usb was there questions about so never mind...

have to sleep now... 23:38... :/

cya

George Edison

@Seth Sure.

Seth

Night :)

@GeorgeEdison Thanks :)

I'll BBL

jrg

is anyone else seeing situations where the lockscreen is showing the unity launcher?

Takkat

22:52

@jrg I can confirm this. (12.04 nvidia-current for GT218 here).

Luis Alvarado

Sorry but chrome + firebug = SUCKS

firefox + firebug or without firebug = rocks

was trying to do something and with chrome was horrible. Firefox was a piece of chocolate pudding

George Edison

@Seth: Found a bug:

Eliah Kagan

@LuisAlvarado What were you trying to do?

George Edison

Reported here:

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Q: Upvoting a question on Area51 after breaking down vote totals results in incorrect display.

Although there are a lot of questions here about problems displaying up/down vote totals, I wasn't able to find one quite like this. Here are the steps to reproduce: Visit this question: Click the '8' to display vote totals: Upvote the question: Wait! 81? Where did that come from? Now re...

bug area51 vote-count

Luis Alvarado

@EliahKagan a troll joke for you guys by changing some stuff and putting an image of it, but wow it sucks

Seth

22:55

ooh, let me look at that.

Luis Alvarado

for example, in the post above made by George, wanted to edit the 0 votes to 10000

in firefox is 2 or 3 clicks, done. In chrome is.. give me a hail mary!!!

Seth

lol

gertvdijk

@GeorgeEdison lol

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