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jokerdino

06:03

@vasa1 Yeah, if the post you downvoted was deleted, you get back the one point.

vasa1

@jokerdino, thanks for clarifying :)

jokerdino

You live in Mumbai, don't you? How is life there?

vasa1

Slightly north of Mumbai, in Vasai. Life? Got used to it :)

jokerdino

:)

How did you run into Ubuntu?

vasa1

Oh, a Gutsy Gibbon CD came with a computer magazine. I dual-booted then but never figured out how to get the internet working. But I kept watching Ubuntu's progress from the sidelines and finally got everything going with Natty Narwhal (when I got "unlimited" broadband). And,really, it was the Unity bashing that piqued my curiosity! I just had to see for myself!

Journeyman Geek

06:17

XD

@vasa1: I swear thats too common

though with my first distro, I got stuck with 'how do I install stuff?'

jokerdino

I actually got hooked into Ubuntu seeing Unity. I didn't like the old fashioned Gnome 2 interface.

Journeyman Geek

My first distro was mandriva

seriously cute french girl I knew used it, and said it was awesome

then I switched to suse

then kubuntu

jokerdino

The first mention of Linux was thanks to a Red Hat expo.

vasa1

Well, as I said, I had issues getting the net going with Gutsy Gibbon, probably because I wasn't competent enough. I'm a biologist with no "IT" training.

jokerdino

Though I never quite comprehended what the hell it was. People said it can't get viruses. Or it didn't have any GUI.

Journeyman Geek

06:20

@vasa1: more likely there was some bug ;p

tried it on a laptop?

jokerdino

@vasa1 Ah biologist in IT field. Interesting.

I am a wannabe in so many fields.

Journeyman Geek

XD

/me is a aspiring sysadmin who knows which end of a soldering iron to hold

vasa1

Now, I'm using it on a Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop. BTW, I'm not in IT at all unless hanging out here or @ ubuntuforums qualifies :)

jokerdino

Using Ubuntu qualifies you enough.

vasa1

I'll come back to Unity if my laptop dies and I have to buy a new one. That's why I'm watching this whole UEFI thing worriedly.

Journeyman Geek

06:23

@vasa1: Its VERY unlikely you will be unable to install an unsigned OS on a system

vasa1

I've learned quite a bit ... HTML, CSS. I even know how to "scour" svg files. But Ubuntu is signed, isn't it?

jokerdino

I would just buy a preinstalled Ubuntu device.

ah, power cut. damn

bbl

vasa1

Not readily available. Despite all the talk of Canonical Stores.

Journeyman Geek

ahh, TN ;p

@vasa1: It is, or will be. I believe

but you should be able to turn off signing in the bios if you chose to

there's also plans for a generic 'shim' linux loader

vasa1

I don't mind power cuts. We have them too. They keep my inverter battery in shape. Needs discharging once in a while. The real pain is low voltage. That can be sneaky.

Journeyman Geek

06:28

lol

@vasa1: tamil nadu state has been having it REALLY bad

vasa1

BTW, the local user group is quite subdued :(

Journeyman Geek

mine is too

course, I have the whole 'I run windows and linux, but I'm really just in it for hardware' thing

;p

vasa1

I was in Madurai for my PG and we had to "aerate" flasks of bacterial cultures by swirling them ourselves when the power went out :(

George Edison

07:11

Night all.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

07:24

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Q: Can I get banned for deleting my question?

I want to delete a question I asked but I don't know exact consequence. I'm going to try to delete a question I asked that was a duplicate (but it's not closed, it's just marked as duplicate). I don't see much reason to keep a duplicate, do you?

jokerdino

08:53

Hi all.

I have to do so many things but I am so lazy

Amith KK

reappears

jokerdino

@AmithKK on holidays?

Amith KK

No

Tommorrow is the exam :P

jokerdino

All the best :)

Amith KK

Thanks :P

@Mods

Merge these two accounts:

user129391

11 1

disk nautilus

jokerdino

09:03

Mods can no longer merge accounts.

Amith KK

Ben

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@jokerdino Wha?

jokerdino

It just happened last week.

Amith KK

so, who can?

jokerdino

the SE team I think.

Amith KK

lol

Wait

why am I feeling a small shock when I'm touching my RPi's USB?

jokerdino

09:06

ouch

smartboyhw

Hey @AmithKK

Amith KK

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Q: Is it possible to receive an electric shock by touching a Raspberry Pi while it's on?

This is a question of safety for children using the device while they are still being shipped without a case. The USB power source is expected to provide 5V and at least 700mA. Is this enough to give a shock? Do any components on the board step the voltage up, giving a higher voltage? Capacit...

case safety education use-by-children

Wow this seems common

@jokerdino coming back to TN anytime soon?

jokerdino

I am in TN now

smartboyhw

TN=?

jokerdino

Like OH but better.

Amith KK

09:15

@jokerdino Cool

@smartboyhw Tamil Nadu

smartboyhw

@AmithKK Sorry I am s*** in geography....

Journeyman Geek

09:30

lol

@smartboyhw: where @jokerdino and my mother are from ;p

3

mojo706

★

shrug

smartboyhw

Ah

mojo706

http://www.runescape.com/
★

Oli

@jokerdino That's not true.

@AmithKK Done

Amith KK

@Oli awesome :P

jokerdino

09:44

@Oli Hm, so mods can no longer merge registered accounts?

but they can merge unregistered into registered and unregistered into unregistered?

fossfreedom

two registered accounts no - unregistered to registered yes

jokerdino

ok got it. thanks!

fossfreedom

if you notice the user is using a new account - drop them a comment - I've added an example proforma comment on that meta Q & A

mojo706

are most of the guys here Mods?

jokerdino

Just three of them.

Make it four.

mojo706

09:48

how many points do I need to become a Mod?

jokerdino

Though only 2 of them are mods in Ask ubuntu.

@mojo706 You need 300 rep to nominate yourself for the election, which is currently in nomination phase.

mojo706

300 wow that'll take some time

jokerdino

It took me the whole of this year to get 100 rep.

fossfreedom

not really - just be a little busy with answering a few questions - you could do that in a day.

smartboyhw

@mojo706 It shouldn't be difficult. But one thing that might be useful: Do you have any useful flags?

Amith KK

09:52

@fossfreedom No you can't

mojo706

what are flags?

Amith KK

Isn't there a rep cap?

Or just get a +500 bounty

mojo706

@smartboyhw ?

fossfreedom

@AmithKK rep cap is for upvotes -you've got bounties and accepts on top of that.

jokerdino

But one thing, are you related to Mojo Jojo?

mojo706

09:54

certainly we are distant cousins shrug

jokerdino

Haha, nothing to shrug about that.

smartboyhw

@mojo706 For example, if you see there is a duplicate post, you should be able to see a "flag" button. Click on it and choose the reason why you think it should be flagged (duplicate in this case), select the dup question and confirm:)

mojo706

@smartboyhw oh I've never flagged duplicates although Ive seen several

smartboyhw

@mojo706 Try to:)

mojo706

@jokerdino haha

I will

smartboyhw

09:58

@mojo706 if not then when you just got 300 rep and nominated yourself for mod, @fossfreedom will then certainly come with a comment saying that moderatorship is seriously unglamorious and that how would you consider having a low helpful flag-count will help

mojo706

:| and also try and answer many more questions more accurately @smartboyhw TY

fossfreedom

@smartboyhw yes ... all true

Amith KK

Beg, borrow, steal, you make a deal
And with no hesitation
Crawl, walk, or run, you’ve had your fun
Of which is very certain
Into the free, into the me
Into the ever knowing
Felt so constrained, felt so to blame
But now I’m breaking out and
I’m falling into the free, to the free
Free to be me I am free, I am free

smartboyhw

@AmithKK Why a poem?

Amith KK

@smartboyhw :P

/random

smartboyhw

10:00

@AmithKK nice one then

Amith KK

It's a song, anyways

BBL

mojo706

see you later

jrg

11:00

@George: Why?!

fossfreedom

yes - spam killed within 10 secs of posting. Must be my record!

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jokerdino

i dont know why spammers post questions, much easier to spot than spammy answers. :P

fossfreedom

"selling shoes" - come on - what was that guy thinking trying to spam here?!

jokerdino

they dont do any research, which annoys me more than the spam itself.

a well targetted spam wont be called spam.

I might get to writing a book called "The art of spamming"

Takkat

@jokerdino "Dear friend, I am the step-son of prime minister Mgnmbonga who deceased recently. Now I have a huge question for %COMMMUNITY to where I can offer a reward of 1,000,000 (one million) reputation points here..." ;)

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jokerdino

11:15

Hahahaa

I think they are scamming rather than spamming though.

Takkat

I know but it popped into my mind and couldn't resist.

Sadly 419eater is not so active any more. I spent hours with reading there.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

0

Q: How do we deal with answers by customer support that basically don't answer the question?

I came across this question today, this has been answered by someone who is presumably a customer support person for the company. I don't think there's anything wrong with this as long as it answers the question but in this case it's basically a message like we're sorry for your problem please ca...

discussion

jokerdino

@Takkat I was told the scammers started with snail mail, then switched to telephone calls and now e-mails.

Takkat

They obviously made enough money to survive. This is the most worrysome about them. How can people be so naive?

Journeyman Geek

cause people are idiots

jokerdino

11:21

Heh, there are people saying we are naive enough to believe in capitalism. :>

Journeyman Geek

lol

Takkat

:)

Journeyman Geek

capitalism is better than the alternative ;p

Takkat

anarchy so bad?

jokerdino

i believe in nihilism.

Not really, just kidding ^

Takkat

11:23

^^same, really really just kidding

Journeyman Geek

well politically, I'm pretty close to the less radical side of libertarianism

jokerdino

I have no idea what I believe politically.

Journeyman Geek

I think governments need to keep their noses out of the lives of individuals

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek Not if it benefits me.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: and how often does it happen?

jokerdino

11:27

When I get a free telly as vote bribe!

Journeyman Geek

I think running essential services is about enough

;p

jokerdino

You vote and then get the telly.

Journeyman Geek

no one would know who you voted for

jokerdino

They rope in the free telly in their plans.

Journeyman Geek

;p

and you lack power to use the telly, yes? ;p

jokerdino

11:29

Well, you only get the telly if the supposed party comes into power.

@JourneymanGeek heh, that's another story.

Journeyman Geek

its my whole point

power means industry

means jobs

means... TVs ;p

jokerdino

there apparently is such a huge power scarcity.

Saving power like a good citizen now. Cya laterz.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

must hang this sign in yard:

Oli

11:56

@AmithKK Yeah you can get well over 300 a day if you put your back into it :)

mojo706

Runescape is a cool game and isn't bandwidth hogging

Oli

Hmm seems I was scrolled up.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

12:25

0

Q: Is it considered proper (normal) to post the same question on askubuntu and at the same time on Unix&Linux?

Some questions that are fit to ask on http://unix.stackexchange.com are not fit here, but the other way around should always be ok. But is it? - (from askubuntu's point of view, of course)

discussion

Amith KK

12:55

appears

smartboyhw

13:22

Guys, please help to test (K/X/Myth/Edu)buntu (Studio) 12.04.2 images!!!!

FEichinger

13:39

Sooo ... exam written, heya folks :D

Anwar

13:51

Hi

@jokerdino you too. (LTNS)

Good luck with the election

smartboyhw

14:20

@jokerdino hey

@Anwar run for moderatorship!

jokerdino

@Anwar Hey.

@Anwar Thanks :)

Mahesh

14:47

o/

FEichinger

15:00

Why don't we have a "Community Evaluation is on!" message pinned?

Another round of Community Evaluation has started Please remember to participate in this review queue.

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jrg

because I hadn't checked /review this morning.

FEichinger

@jrg Yeh, I just checked the transcript though, noone even bothered mass-starring something ... Only a bunch of screenies. :(

jrg

Hey guys, if you have a hacker news account, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could upboat a project of mine - kandan, it's on page 2 of hacker news. Thanks. :)

FEichinger

meta.askubuntu.com/questions/6031/… <- Meta Crossposting? :P

gertvdijk

@FEichinger what is it? any MSO post about it?

@FEichinger yeah. big facepalm.

It's like "no, you should not cross post.". "okay, I posted this on UL-Meta as well."

Jorge Castro

15:19

4

Q: Why are KDE apps running on unity too slow to load

I use a few KDE applications in ubuntu; Okular, Kate and Kile. And it seems to me that they take a lot longer to load than other programs like Evince and gedit. Is it because I'm running unity instead of KDE or is that just the way it is? What can be done to reduce the loading delay?

unity kile okular kate

easy answer folks!

who wants it?

smartboyhw

@JorgeCastro No since I don't know how to answer (I'm a Kubuntu packager, so it is quite ashaming)

FEichinger

@gertvdijk 'xactly, lol.

Mahesh

@smartboyhw you said you are interested in contributing to unity-tweak-tool. We can use help with translations..

smartboyhw

@Mahesh Good

Jorge Castro

it's easy, Uri already posted the answer.

Eliah Kagan

15:38

@jrg I messed up my custom flag a bit at askubuntu.com/questions/109909/…, since the bounty was not offered by the OP him/herself. But I still recommend the corresponding action be taken, i.e., the bounty refunded and question duped. Sorry about this (and I have no objection if my flag is marked declined for this reason). Thx.

Anwar

@smartboyhw Thanks. But I don't feel it right now

smartboyhw

@Anwar Oh....

fossfreedom

15:51

@EliahKagan dealt with

Eliah Kagan

@fossfreedom Thx!

Amith KK

appears and disappears at the same time with quantum physics

Mahesh

16:05

@AmithKK bah

Amith KK

lol jk :P

smartboyhw

@AmithKK Good one

Amith KK

16:31

BBT

gertvdijk

"Y U NO APPROVE MY APP?" "You're already in Debian and Ubuntu. You don't have to do anything." askubuntu.com/questions/252756/…

maggotbrain

Curious. Anyone have a thought on this askubuntu.com/questions/205885/hiding-the-sidebar-in-ubuntu/… and my calling it "a comment as answer" during review?

Just want to ensure that I am using pro-forma comments properly in review

Mahesh

not exactly a comment-as answer.

but not something I'd recommend as an answer either..

Oli

16:49

Suggestions to use something else are typically valid answers and the OP in this case certain seems to have found it useful.

mojo706

http://askubuntu.com/questions/100500/any-application-on-android-to-sync-up-with-ubuntu-one-notes
@jrg could you comment since you moved from Dropbox to Ubuntu one and Tomdroid sometime in december

jrg

@mojo706 yeah, i ended up moving to evernote

jokerdino

I remember Tomdroid can't edit notes.

mojo706

so is there help for this user?

jokerdino

and then they are retiring note sync for U1.

mojo706

16:51

or he just has to move. And I had about the sync deprecation

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: What can be done for rogue moderators (Moderators that go bad)

I have read the question about What is the process of removing a moderator from office if he/she goes rogue? but here I want to know what actions would be done after a moderator is known to be rogue. For example, apart form removing he/she from moderator status can it also: Reverse any damage m...

discussion election

jrg

@jokerdino tomdroid+1 does.

maggotbrain

@Mahesh @Oli OK. Thanks. When I caught the answer in the review queue, it just seemed to completely sidestep the OP issue (autohide in Unity) and went all rah-rah for MATE.

mojo706

@jrg any hope?

jrg

hango, busy at work

maggotbrain

16:56

Nice! "moderators gone wild"

mojo706

ok

jrg

ok, posted @mojo706

mojo706

I hope he gets the hint. Thanks

http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/call-for-instructors-ubuntu-user-days-on-feb-9th-10th-2013/
drat I'll miss this ^

any of you going to participate?

@jrg that ship it tag lol . But the post my sentiments exactly

BBL ★

Seth

17:33

0

A: Changes to "close as duplicate" (part deux)

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but it was rather long for a comment so here it is. This is what I see happening: When it comes to bugs on Ask Ubuntu, Rachel asks why we don't just close them all as off-topic individually. On Dennis' answer above Servey suggests that most (some at least...

@gertvdijk @FEichinger --^

Seth

17:56

We aren't really talking about Ask Ubuntu, we are discussing why this change was implemented. IMO how we should close the questions is a rather different topic. We had been closing them as duplicates, until this happened. Maybe this calls for a question on AU Meta. I think though, if we want to close them as duplicates we should be able too. — Seth 28 secs ago

jrg

@mojo706 SHIPIT

jrg

18:10

I really should blog more incendiary topics.

Seth

@jrg can you clear the edit queue please?

jrg

k done

more bold

Seth

thanks.

@jrg nooooooo

bold.

jrg

more italic bold

Seth

>_>

mateo_salta

18:26

@GeorgeEdison sure thing, I'll put some formats together, I'm going to try a couple of things in the actual menu-bar, make sure the small version looks good, then I'll send you a link.

George Edison

19:23

o/

FEichinger

19:48

@Seth +1

Seth

Glad you agree.

FEichinger

Closing as a duplicate has benefits: It automatically links them together (no need for an extra comment), it is a close in itself, it redirects users to a single question. If it is a dupe, we should preferably be able to close it as a dupe rather than the same close reason over and over again. Not to mention that the dupe target may well receive an answer "It will work in version X" or a workaround at some point - not necessarily when it is posted ... or posted for the fifth time. I just don't see why we have to restrict anything. It should be site policy instead. — FEichinger 13 secs ago

Seth

excellent.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

20:10

0

Q: Is it possible to review on the mobile site?

I have free time while I am about. I could review questions with my phone. Is it possible on the mobile site? I can't find a link to the review part.

support

0

Q: 2013 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat

In connection with the moderator elections, we will be holding a Town Hall Chat session with the candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is completely voluntary. I will be working with ca...

discussion election

Oyibo

20:38

@RolandiXor thanks for pointing out my fail at noticing Luis' sarcasm, got too carried away with what I was typing to notice XD

Ask Ubuntu Meta

1

Q: What is the site self-evaluation?

Today I encountered the site self-evaluation evenmt. When I clicked on it the review site opened and I had to evaluate several questions. However this thing lacked some explanation. So what is the reason for this evaluation? Where can I see the result and what happens with the result?

support review

Seth

21:13

Spam?

0

Q: Better Alternative to this Browser Enabled Free Cloud Desktop using Amazon Web Services (AWS)

I have two working models of a Linux Ubuntu 12.04 with Gnome free virtual desktop or free cloud desktop, whichever you like to call it. These both run on Amazon Web Services (AWS) Free Tier on the end user accounts that I share with individuals who sign up via two Private AMIs. Both versions are...

12.04 gnome virtualization amazon-ec2 nx

gertvdijk

@Seth no

Seth

Okay, then what does it have to do with Ubuntu here?

gertvdijk

he's looking for a way to do remote desktop in the browser. sort of NX as web page or something

Seth

It looks soo much like a ad.

@gertvdijk Well, we need to remove the whole ad part.

gertvdijk

yes, it's covered in a commercial wrap. remove all the commercial stuff

Everything below and including "You can at least ..." can be removed imo

FEichinger

21:16

It's a software-recommendation, it contains tons of commercial wrap and it excludes various examples. I'd say close as TL.

Remove the commercial wrap before, though, obviously.

Seth

@gertvdijk Well, since you have a better grasp about this, could you edit it?

gertvdijk

well, now, read this: askubuntu.com/a/252871/88802

Seth

Yeah, I saw that.

FEichinger

Now that looks more like spam, in light of the Q.

gertvdijk

so it's just advertising. he already knows about the answer I suppose.

come on... he already has a solution!

maybe he's just waiting for the time he can answer his question with more spam

Seth

21:20

Something should be done.

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gertvdijk

indeed

mod should ask about his intentions. in the meantime it should be deleted. imo.

Seth

There aren't any mods here.

gertvdijk

I see jrg and Oli

Seth

(waits for jrg to beam in)

jrg

WAT

FEichinger

21:21

jrg

waddaywant

Seth

I love this :D

gertvdijk

@jrg askubuntu.com/questions/252891/… and askubuntu.com/a/252871/88802 spammy

FEichinger

ninjaz

jrg

well, that was easy

Seth

21:23

@jrg How do you always know when we talk about mods?

gertvdijk

"This account is temporarily suspended for promotional content. The suspension period ends in 7 days."

FEichinger

He's watching. He just pretends to be AFK until we ask for them.

jrg

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Seth

@FEichinger that's a lot of watching...

FEichinger

@Seth Not really. I do that a lot as well.

Sitting here ... Doing nothing ...

Seth

21:24

Well, so do I.

FEichinger

Jumping straight into a discussion out of nowhere.

Fun times.

Seth

but

Really? He's always just sitting there watching us?

This is getting creepy.

FEichinger

He probably regularly checks the chat. Like, every five minutes.

Seth

@FEichinger and reads the whole backlog?

o_O

FEichinger

Nah, his eyes filter straight for "jrg".

Seth

21:26

lol

FEichinger

Obviously he doesn't read the backlog, else he'd actually know what people want when they ask him. :(

Seth

that's true...

FEichinger

Okay, enough jrgonspiracy theories.

Jorgebot, btw, has a core dedicated to stuff like that. Multitasking, y'know?

Seth

@FEichinger hmmm

jrgbot, I like it.

FEichinger

kinda expected Jorge to respond to that now a little

Seth

21:29

@FEichinger @JorgeCastro never responds to the pointless or unimportant. Just like a good bot right :P

FEichinger

Heheh.

Seth

If he replied to everything people would soon know he didn't have anything better to do.

Okay, enough of this.

FEichinger

Anyway, jrg ain't no bot. He does that manually.

Seth

be back when the spam appears ;)

Luis Alvarado

21:48

Guys, where did the Ubuntu certification program go? Was looking for a way to certificate me that I know about Ubuntu

jrg

wadayawant.

@LuisAlvarado the answer i got from canonical was "it's gone"

@LuisAlvarado send me an email. jamesgifford AT ubuntu.com

Luis Alvarado

;( :cry"

@jrg done

jrg

nice

looking for a template

COMON.

there has got to be a template for this i can just use

Luis Alvarado

@jrg did you see the email, am I still the prince ^^

jrg

yeah, i saw lol

will a word template work?

certificate of ubuntu usage.

Luis Alvarado

21:56

yeah i guess

jrg

i, james gifford, hereby certify @LuisAlvarado as a general ubuntu practitioner and master googler.

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Luis Alvarado

also I tried going here https://launchpad.net/~askubuntu-community but got an email saying the fllowing:

Hello Luis Alvarado,

Ralph Janke (txwikinger) has declined the invitation to make Ubuntu
Stackexchange (askubuntu) a member of Ask Ubuntu Community (askubuntu-
community).
<https://launchpad.net/~askubuntu-community>

Ralph Janke said:
Two teams cannot be sub teams of each other...

jrg

oh yeah, i need to talk to him about that...

Luis Alvarado

Did not actually understand the "two teams cannot be sub teams of each other"

@jrg lol

ok

FEichinger

Crosslinking from one team to the other and vice-versa is a bad idea, and probably doesn't work.

Luis Alvarado

21:58

so which team is the real one connected to askubuntu may I ask

since that's the one I want to join

FEichinger

~askubuntu

jrg

~askubuntu

Luis Alvarado

a ok then am already in that one yeah!

FEichinger

~askubuntu-community was the result of a five-minute whine about how ~askubuntu is "dead".

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