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Seth

00:01

Ah, not important enough.

George Edison

Okay, deployed.

Still a few things I want to tweak. What do you think?

Seth

not much changed.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison nice

Seth

Looks fine though.

George Edison

I changed the way the dropdown menus on the top work.

mateo_salta

00:13

yeah, I like it better without the little arrow

Seth

I like all the blue. Site seems slower though.

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Q: Should we (do we?) have a canonical question for remapping key bindings?

I've seen (and answered) quite a few questions on changing key 'A' to do key 'B' or make key 'A' do 'So and so' etc. I was thinking it might be a good idea to have a general canonical question for remapping key bindings. If it's a good idea, we should get someone to ask the question. Some pr...

Seth

How come this hasn't been closed?

It has 5 close votes

gertvdijk

@Seth I see 3

Seth

@gertvdijk yeah, but in review it got 5

Does that one "Leave Open" effect them?

gertvdijk

00:18

@Seth also 3 for me in review

Seth

gertvdijk

@Seth oh that is because the older close votes have evaporated

Seth

oh, yeah. Forgot about that.

gertvdijk

but then, this is bug.

Seth

How long does it take then?

gertvdijk

00:20

two days iirc.

Seth

OK

gertvdijk

Close votes age away harmlessly after 4 days if the threshold is not reached.

Seth

@gertvdijk I'm not sure this is a bug though, just reference data for the question.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison I've been tweaking the "n" logo, @AbrahamVanHelpsing pointed out some things, and I changed it a bit.

Zignd

Can someone here try to answer my question?

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Q: How do I get a list of all applications that can be executed from Ubuntu Dash Home? There is a xml file responsible for it? Where it is?

I'm building an application and it's very important to me to know how to get this information. In LXDE for example you can get a .xml (/usr/share/lubuntu/openbox/menu.xml) file that have all the programs that can be executed from its menu. For that reason I'd like to know if there .xml file in U...

dash xml

mateo_salta

00:39

@Zignd can you include a sample formatting of the file you are using, it may help. (because I'm not sure it exists in ubuntu, it may help in finding/creating)

George Edison

I changed the menubar from black to grey.

mateo_salta

there is the new version @GeorgeEdison

George Edison

Nice!

Seth

@GeorgeEdison that looks a OK. I think they were both good. It almost looks like too much grey now.

that could be a good thing..

George Edison

Hmm....

mateo_salta

00:42

I liked the black.

George Edison

Maybe a light blue would look nice there.

Zignd

This is the logo of any program you are creating?

mateo_salta

possibly a new version for NitroShare, depends if @GeorgeEdison wants to use it.

FEichinger

@mateo_salta Ah, you removed the borders on the arrows. Awesome.

mateo_salta

so it has the "N" and the arrows to signify sending things back and forth, and if you look closely the arrows look like a "S" (maybe even a lightning bolt)

Zignd

00:45

I just can't see the S

Seth

@GeorgeEdison Yes, try a light blue.

Zignd

Great Logo compared to the original NitroShare logo

FEichinger

@mateo_salta You could try to add a triangle with parallel lines to the arrow tip inside.

Zignd

Great work guys

FEichinger

But I think it's perfect that way.

And I love that my hunch with the borders on the arrows was right ... They didn't fit.

mateo_salta

00:47

that is why I said closely, not the most important part.

@FEichinger where do you want a triangle?

gertvdijk

@Seth meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/166707/…

(gone now) BBT

FEichinger

@mateo_salta That doesn't "work", because the central line of the S is the same as the N's central line, while the tips of the S are the outer arrow side. :/

@mateo_salta Scratch that, just tried it and realized this ^

mateo_salta

I allays liked the stylized "S" on the Delectation of Independence

George Edison

Now what does everyone think?

I realize that it probably isn't a light blue :)

mateo_salta

@FEichinger yeah, can't have both it seems

Seth

00:53

I like it. It's Windows 8 light ;)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I like it. I stand by the WM should do the drop-shadowing and background, but either way it's nice

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison I like it.

George Edison

\o/

FEichinger

@AbrahamVanHelpsing This.

vasa1

In askubuntu.com/privileges/suggest-tag-synonyms, the paragraph titled "How do I propose or vote on tag synonyms?" has this: Any suggested synonyms for the tag will appear below that which up and down arrows so that eligible users ... It should be with and not which.

Seth

00:54

@vasa1 This calls for a meta post as there are no mods here at the moment.

mateo_salta

good catch @vasa1

jrg

what do you mean there aren't any mods.

3

and we can't edit that, so meta.

Seth

I have come to the conclusion that @jrg is unpredictable.

4

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I have come to the conclusion that @jrg lurks with a cell phone

vasa1

Just to be clear, should I post that at meta.askubuntu.com?

jrg

00:56

@vasa1 sure, make sure it's tagged bug.

vasa1

Wokay!

FEichinger

@vasa1 Preferably. You could also post it over on MSO, if it occurs on other sites as well.

jrg

oh, yeah, find out if it's the same on other sites.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

@vasa1 is that okay? wookie? or phonzarelli with fur?

vasa1

@FEichinger, I haven't an account there.

FEichinger

00:58

@vasa1 Theeeen, log in there, the same way you do on AU.

mateo_salta

Sound like time to try the water in the deep end of the pool

vasa1

There be sharks, no?

FEichinger

There's always a point at which everyone kinda ends up with at least a site account and a MSO one.

Seth

@vasa1 yes, there be Sharks.

jrg

MSO is scary.

Seth

00:59

There are Sharks all over MSO and SO

FEichinger

@jrg Less so than SO, though.

mateo_salta

There might be someone with a scuba tank hanging out on the bottom, feeding the sharks.

3

jrg

Oh man, the AU spammers have gotten into my inbox.

@fossfreedom ^^

Seth

@mateo_salta its "sharks" is not the same as "Sharks" I'm afraid.

jrg

@FEichinger true.

vasa1

01:00

Well, if they're well fed, I heard they can be friendly.

FEichinger

@vasa1 Nope. They're insatiable.

The more they're fed, the hungrier they get, in fact.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

They can be docile...for a sec...until they get hungry agan...

Seth

yep.

@vasa1 Do you need help?

vasa1

Then it's just a matter of timing. Getting in and out quickly and alive and intact.

Seth

I'm always open to more rep :)

@vasa1 I don't think the sharks will bother you this time.

If I did, I wouldn't offer to help you ;)

AbrahamVanHelpsing

01:02

It's always about timing. I posted a motivational video on my G+ that involves that...

vasa1

@Seth, no I have a few other SE accounts which I don't use that much. Anyway, will post at MSO. Thanks for the pointers

Seth

yep :)

please pop in here and give us a link when you're done please.

jrg

ok, doing the famed "browser swap" again. yay firefox.

How long do you think I'll last this time?

Seth

emm, if you're like me, a week.

jrg

for comparison, I lasted about a month on Chrome.

vasa1

01:13

@Seth, Okay .. here's the link: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/166721/210571

jrg

upboated.

Seth

that --^

AbrahamVanHelpsing

also, i upvoted

vasa1

@jrg, I keep Firefox for analytical purposes (and for downloading certain things Chrome doesn't let me do easily). By "analytical" I mean the DOM Inspector with which has a nice right-click Inspect Context helper on whatever you want to open there. Sometimes, finding a selector in Chrome isn't as convenient.

Seth

I know.

FEichinger

01:25

Fun fact: This is part of my material for tomorrow's exam.

Or ... today's, on this side of the pond.

As is this.

Yes, that's about as complicated as it gets.

Seth

not too bad?

FEichinger

Having to go through all the material to be sure I didn't miss anything is slightly annoying, though.

Seth

None of your submissions have been implemented into the blog. I'm starting to wonder...

FEichinger

Perhaps the submissions haven't been gone through? I don't knooooooow! :P

Seth

@FEichinger New submissions have been made after each of yours. I find it surprising that they wouldn't have gone through yours submissions (or maybe they did?).

not a big deal but I wonder.

FEichinger

01:34

Perhaps the uploads by now are only their own?

Seth

They still have the "Submit" button.

jrg

@vasa1 the new firefox dev tools are nice.

and firebug definitely goes a long way.

AbrahamVanHelpsing

Motivation...updated:

►

jrg

01:49

is libreoffice 4 likely to land in 12.04 or 12.10, or will that be a 13.04 thing... ah, questions people ask me.

Seth

Hey its out!

YAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYAYYAY!!!!

LibreOffice 4 is out!!

AbrahamVanHelpsing

I was more impressed with gliffy

jrg

02:12

oh, were you.

anyone have a moment to proof-read something?

Seth

/raises hand

jrg

@Seth evernote.com/shard/s29/sh/b1817f57-f5a6-471f-a3f9-7f8730ec7976/…

Seth

@jrg One the one hand in the second last paragraph.

jrg

fixed

Seth

OK, looks fine to me other than that.

jrg

02:17

thanks.

Seth

now let me get back to writing my Q/A on installing Libre Office 4 ;)

jrg

heh, ok.

Seth

@jrg Can you test something for me?

jrg

sure

what is it?

Seth

just a sec

If you try sudo apt-get remove libreoffice-core Does it want to remove anything extra?

jrg

02:23

hangon, let me fix my setup.

Seth

I'm trying to remove the whole thing with one command.

@jrg OK. Don't do anything that will mess you up.

jrg

removing libreoffice 4.0 stuff, reinstalling ubuntu desktop and libreoffice-core

Seth

@jrg don't worry about it if you need to do all that just to test it.

jrg

already done.

Seth

oh, OK.

FEichinger

02:25

@AndrewC And how exactly do you expect us to keep all similar questions tracked? I'm sorry, but this "Once we get one question answered, we can link them all together." scenario seems very utopian. I suspect we'd rather end up with a ton of unanswered questions that may or may not at some point possibly magically mahaps perhaps ever be linked to the answered one, maybe. — FEichinger 1 min ago

Seth

+1 exactly what we're talking about.

jrg

The following packages will be REMOVED:
libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-emailmerge
libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-impress libreoffice-math libreoffice-pdfimport libreoffice-writer python-uno

Seth

hmmm OK.

I think that will manage it.

Thanks a lot @jrg.

jrg

you're welcome

FEichinger

python-uno?

jrg

02:28

idk

FEichinger

Ah, funny thing.

Seth

@FEichinger A friend of mine once told me a story.

He was taking a project over

and all the variable name were written in... FRENCH!

turns out the guy was learning French, and so he wrote all the variables in it.

FEichinger

lol

jrg

guess i need to pop open my laptop and clean the fan

it used to be that it never ran, now it runs all the time. :\

FEichinger

Well, I'm glad I do speak French, but if it were something African, I'd probably begin renaming everything to single character variable names at that point. Cause who cares anyway?

@jrg :/

Seth

02:31

lol

FEichinger

Or two-character names, to prevent loops from breaking.

But it'd be like var aa; var bb; then.

Why?! Whyyyy?! Why would anybody DO that?!

The Lord of Time

hello?

anyone alive?

George Edison

o/

FEichinger

\o

The Lord of Time

bleh, i was hoping everyone was dead/inactive :P

then i could lurk here quietly

George Edison

02:43

@TheLordofTime: I changed the theme on my website.

The Lord of Time

E: Timeout waiting for response from server.

FEichinger

@TheLordofTime He Microsoftified it.

jrg

nice @GeorgeEdison

George Edison

@TheLordofTime Try again.

The Lord of Time

@FEichinger figures

it works now

@George quickmediasolutions.com/autroubleshooter/2 <-- UNSAFE! DO NOT USE\

BURN WITH THE ETERNAL FIRES OF DOOM

@George quickmediasolutions.com/autroubleshooter/3 <-- safe, since it does NOTHING.

@mateo_salta quickmediasolutions.com/autroubleshooter/4 <-- why?

George Edison

02:48

You're right though... the website is kind of slow...

The Lord of Time

Eeeyup

... DAMN IT!

Seth

back

The Lord of Time

( @mateo_salta and @Seth both know why I yelled "DAMN IT" randomly :P )

mateo_salta

@TheLordofTime I thought we should have a way to test or note invalid recipes (wrong format

Seth

@TheLordofTime :(

The Lord of Time

02:49

@mateo_salta well i classify your script as useless and in need of burning.

but... that's just me :P

mateo_salta

it just says something

The Lord of Time

25 secs ago, by The Lord of Time

@mateo_salta well i classify your script as useless and in need of burning.

mateo_salta

if ran as a shell script....

although, @GeorgeEdison said he will make something that checks if it is the right language, so if that happens that might be the only...

George Edison

Right.

mateo_salta

do you have a "definitively unsafe" as in an expert reviewed it and it is for sure not safe.

George Edison

02:57

It would probably be removed in that case.

...or edited to make it safe somehow and a note added.

Seth

03:09

Its live!

Can I get someone interested to test this please?

silence

FEichinger

Silence

Silence is the lack of audible sound or presence of sounds of very low intensity. By analogy, the word silence can also refer to any absence of communication, including in media other than speech. Silence is also used as total communication, in reference to non verbal communication and spiritual connection. Silence also refers to no sounds uttered by anybody in a room or area. Silence is an important factor in many cultural spectacles, as in rituals. In discourse analysis, speakers use brief absences of speech to mark the boundaries of prosodic units. Silence in speech can be hesitation...

Seth

Boo!

RolandiXor

Lies.

Seth

SCANDAL

FEichinger

Seth

03:19

@RolandiXor LibreOffice 4 is out :D

RolandiXor

@Seth :D

I hope it comes to 13.04 soon

Seth

@vasa1 lol, guess I missed that ;)

@RolandiXor I made instructions for installing it :)

vasa1

@Seth, not to worry. BTW, I too use LibreOffice direct from libreoffice.org. But I'll wait till 4.0.1 or so which, by their track record may be out by now ;) The size of LibO discourages me from updating often. And my addiction is browsers, not office suites ;)

Seth

@vasa1 lol.

No worries.

Have you considered the torrent download? It only takes me about 3 minutes to download the whole thing.

RolandiXor

@Seth nice!

vasa1

03:27

@Seth! Hah! Yes, I do use Transmission for LibO but my speed is effectively ~50 Kbps (or kBPS or whatever). So it's slowish for me.

Seth

Ah, yeah, that would still be slower.

FEichinger

I was about to call "Best. Teacher. EVER!" on this ... Then I saw he's teaching them JavaScript ... :(

Seth

@FEichinger I think that totally awesome!

vasa1

03:43

@Seth and others. Please help me with this ... it was an answer that went into a lot of detail about why installing software via apt-get or the Software Center is better than installing it "direct" from say libreoffice.org in case of LibreOffice or from Mozilla in the case of Firefox, etc. Problem is I can't find that answer :( I thought it would be a nice caution for Seth to add to his LibO 4 installation QnA.

Hailwood

Morning everyone!

@FEichinger Actually that might be enough to get me possibly interested in playing minecraft, the opposite effect the teacher was going for I believe :D

Seth

@vasa1 I'll look around, though I disagree that it's better that way.

@vasa1 This maybe?

Morning @Hailwood

vasa1

@Seth, that's another matter :) I've been using LibO, Firefox, and Seamonkey for quite a while without issue. So I'm quite happy so far with the "direct" way.

@Seth, nice, but that wasn't it. I'm sure I voted that up and so should be able to find it.

FEichinger

@Hailwood Morning. Oh, the idea is awesome. I just find teaching kids JavaScript of all languages is just gonna spread bad habits. JavaScript is still one of the most awful languages that are reasonably "in use".

Amith KK

gizmodo.com/5982677/…

Seth

03:48

But it's necessary @FEichinger.

Hola @AmithKK!

Hailwood

@FEichinger I don't think the language itself is so terrible, but I do believe teaching people Javascript as their first programming language is asking for trouble, still, could be worse he could be teaching them the jQuery "Language" haha.

Amith KK

appears

vasa1

The nice thing about direct for Firefox and Seamonkey is that the updates are incremental so I don't mind using Firefox beta which is updated every Friday, mostly.

Amith KK

Hey @Seth

I like your new non Apple branding :P

Seth

hehe, talks before he appears :P

@AmithKK lol

@AmithKK that's bad. Real bad.

Amith KK

03:49

So, If I break facebook

I break the internet

Mwahahahahahah

FEichinger

@Hailwood Trudat.

Amith KK

@Seth I'm a freaking time traveller ;)

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Seth

@AmithKK You have to break facebook connect

Amith KK

@Seth If I get access to facebook's code

I can just have it redirect to a malicious site with malware

Seth

well sure.

Amith KK

03:51

or better yet, put malware on facebook

Hailwood

@AmithKK The most amusing thing about that article, is, what is the "thumb" of the facebook hand pointing to?

Amith KK

@Hailwood lool

To all game developers making a collection game

Do what Sonic Generations did in the Hub World

They only put a small cut from the original music in front of the boss gate, without any name unless the stage is completed

Therefore all the oldies understand which stage it is

and the newbies don't

vasa1

@Seth, this.

Seth

Ah, I see.

Amith KK

@vasa1 That's a reprocket :P

vasa1

04:00

@AmithKK, I was about to suggest the link I was thinking of was a possible dup of the one @Seth linked to :) Looks like that slipped by a lot of folks!

Seth

@vasa1 your right, it does!

Hailwood

Does anyone know of an extension similar to chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/linux-native-notification/… but for gnome-shell? Cause, god those popups look ugly on a dark theme!

Seth

@Hailwood I need that extension!

@Hailwood Have you tried it for Gnome-Shell?

Hailwood

@Seth Apparently it works for gnome-shell, but I use chromium, so I don't think it works for chromium...

Seth

em, me too.

All extensions I've tried on Chromium have worked so far though.

I just wonder how to tell if its safe...

Hailwood

04:05

@Seth Well, if you understand the code it's free to view on github. github.com/tualatrix/LinuxNativeNotification

Seth

I'll have to check that out.

Hailwood

Yeah, I have it installed, but it doesn't seem to do anything, don't really feel like installing chrome just to find out if it is just chromium. But the other issue is that it doesn't support the popups by other extensions, which are where most of my popups come from :/

Seth

@Hailwood test ping me ;)

Hailwood

@Seth Pingtatoes

Seth

hmm, didn't work.

maybe I need to restart the browser.

George Edison

04:08

Are you looking for something like Chromify-OSD?

Seth

okay, restarted.

Hailwood

Yeah, but Chromify-OSD has been discontinued, this is actually a fork of it.

Amith KK

@Hailwood It works

Hailwood

@Seth Possibly do as it's a native plugin.

George Edison

@Hailwood Discontinued?

I don't remember discontinuing it...

Seth

04:09

\o/

Hailwood

Well, OMG Ubuntu does :/ omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/05/…

George Edison

They wrote that - not me :P

Hailwood

@Seth Was that google-chrome or chromium?

@GeorgeEdison then if it's still going I might try that!

Seth

@Hailwood Chromium 24 :D

George Edison

Well I don't know if it still works - I haven't been using Gnome lately.

I just assumed that it still did.

Seth

04:11

lol, look at the screenshot: chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromify-osd/…

Hailwood

@Seth I just realized, I probably should have restarted my browser :D

Seth

@Hailwood yeah ;)

Hailwood

@Seth Ah yes, after restarting it is working.

@GeorgeEdison Any idea if it's possible for chromify-OSD to hijack other extension notifications?

Seth

I trust @MarcoCeppi more than some random dev. I'm going to try Chromify-OSD now.

Hailwood

That's basically what I was thinking

George Edison

04:14

Hey - I'm the one that wrote the actual plugin :P

3

Seth

Okay, I trust @GeorgeEdison and @MarcoCeppi more than some random web dev.

RolandiXor

Same here.

Seth

May I ask for a ping?

I'll give you a nice cartoon :)

Hailwood

@Seth Nope, But i'll give you one anyway!

Amith KK

@Seth Super pang?

Seth

04:15

hmm didn't work.

cartoon anyway.

Hailwood

Mind pinging me?

Seth

@Hailwood ...

Amith KK

Who wants it to be on amithkk.com/superpang.jpg ?

@Hailwood Ping

Hailwood

Nope, it stops the notifications all together!

Seth

@AmithKK shrug

Okay, try again please?

Hailwood

04:17

@Seth kapinga!

Seth

hmm, you're right. No notifacation at all now.

@GeorgeEdison status-not-working

George Edison

:(

Hailwood

@GeorgeEdison Since you "wrote the original plugin" I believe you have a todo list now :D

George Edison

I'll probably have to recompile it.

@Hailwood I guess so.

Seth

So, no one is interested in trying LibreOffice 4?

Hailwood

04:20

@Seth Google Docs does me.

Seth

:(

Hailwood

@Seth I see no advantage even with v4 of using LibreOffice over Google docs, persuade me? :D

Seth

Uhm, when you're on the train you can still edit.

Or, you don't have to rely on Google?

or its faster?

Amith KK

@Hailwood @GeorgeEdison You should become a libreoffice devs

Hailwood

I use offline docs, so I can edit on the train,
I use google for everything else, so why not,
and I have never had a slow down with google docs, but I have had it speed of collab editing.

Next please }:

Amith KK

04:23

@Seth That I can do on Google Drive Offline

Seth

I love Google docs for it's collaboration features, but until it supports markdown its a no go for me.

@Hailwood You win :P

Hailwood

@AmithKK If I had the skills I totally would, but er... I am a web developer, not a system-level developer (I 'spose that's going to make me more partial to a web based solution anyway :D)

Amith KK

goes through review queue

Seth

lol, I had the whole thing a little while ago.

should have taken a screenshot. Its not often Community Evaluation comes by.

Amith KK

@Seth Lol

RolandiXor

04:33

facebook.com/photo.php?v=3788615334215

O_o

Amith KK

Seth

@AmithKK sandwich :P

RolandiXor

hax

Seth

wax

sax

max

RolandiXor

tax and you're all dead

Seth

04:38

@RolandiXor ★

RolandiXor

:)

George Edison

@RolandiXor: New theme here.

RolandiXor

Nice!

Bootstrap ftw!

Seth

We have something to prove folks!

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Q: Specific questions that can't be closed as duplicates because duplicates now have to have an answer?

With that said, this is still experimental -- if it's breaking the site we can always remove the requirement for an answer. Now that this is live, we're especially interested in examples of things you'd like to close as dupe but can't now. (To quote David Fullerton♦) Backstory: Recent cha...

discussion exact-duplicates

rubs hands

Amith KK

@GeorgeEdison Metro :P

Seth

04:41

@gertvdijk : meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/166732/…

George Edison

05:17

@mateo_salta: I really really like the new logo you've designed. I would love to include it in the project - I'll need you to provide me with an SVG or high-resolution PNG and something stating that you release the icon under a Creative Commons license. In return, I will make sure you get a mention in the credits :)

George Edison

05:36

I just subscribed to the Linux Kernel Mailing List.

@jrg: NOW my inbox shall always be full.

vasa1

Sometimes, I see that my rep increases by one point. Is that because something I downvoted has been "vanished"? I'm sure there's a better term than "vanished"!

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