Ask Ubuntu General Room

FEichinger

04:00

@iSeth Well, technically it succeeded by making you disintegrate.

George Edison

A simple start... thoughts?

FEichinger

Titanic, really?

Mochan

@FEichinger +1

iSeth

@FEichinger I am a shapeshifter.

FEichinger

Bad associations for troubleshooting, dontchathink?

iSeth

04:01

@GeorgeEdison +1

George Edison

launchpad.net/autroubleshooter

FEichinger

@iSeth A shape*shifter* can't just dissolve. It'd turn into something different.

Something ... non-air.

George Edison

How does it look on the project page now?

FEichinger

@GeorgeEdison Still Titanic-y.

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison can turn into air/mist/matter

George Edison

04:02

I think the idea is great.

...just a bad drawing :P

iSeth

I think it looks good.

RolandiXor

@GeorgeEdison it needs more cowbell.

George Edison

It needs a lot of help.

But the idea of "piloting a ship through the murky waters of log files" sounds good.

FEichinger

And sinking by invisible iceberg.

iSeth

it does look kinda like a half folded birthday card with poll data on top :/

Silence

Silence is the lack of audible sound or presence of sounds of very low intensity. By analogy, the word silence can also refer to any absence of communication, including in media other than speech. Silence is also used as total communication, in reference to non verbal communication and spiritual connection. Silence also refers to no sounds uttered by anybody in a room or area. Silence is an important factor in many cultural spectacles, as in rituals. In discourse analysis, speakers use brief absences of speech to mark the boundaries of prosodic units. Silence in speech can be hesitation...

FEichinger

04:08

Hush!

iSeth

Silence

Silence is the lack of audible sound or presence of sounds of very low intensity. By analogy, the word silence can also refer to any absence of communication, including in media other than speech. Silence is also used as total communication, in reference to non verbal communication and spiritual connection. Silence also refers to no sounds uttered by anybody in a room or area. Silence is an important factor in many cultural spectacles, as in rituals. In discourse analysis, speakers use brief absences of speech to mark the boundaries of prosodic units. Silence in speech can be hesitation...

mateo_salta

iSeth

@mateo_salta Awesome! I really like that one!

FEichinger

@iSeth - Any objections to me building upon the shrug button a bit? Got some crazy ideas right now.

iSeth

@FEichinger I think we're on the same line. Go for it ;)

Prasad

04:11

:D .....i need to go...bye

mateo_salta

I was also thinking of a allen wrench as a check mark

iSeth

@mateo_salta good idea.

George Edison

Heh.

mateo_salta

even?

intresting

FEichinger

@GeorgeEdison "None of the above." :P

iSeth

04:23

I would change that if I had an account.

but I don't want to make one.

George Edison

@iSeth You can easily create one.

@iSeth :(

You get so many nice things...

mateo_salta

how bout a sail boat

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison lol

mateo_salta

George Edison

Whoa.

I like that much better.

iSeth

04:24

@mateo_salta that's the best by far!

George Edison

May I please have the SVG?

Actually, I might retrace it and use the official Ubuntu colors - but I will definitely give you the credit for it.

mateo_salta

ok, I'll send it

iSeth

@GeorgeEdison I like the current colors. BTW does your site use OpenID?

mateo_salta

does the chat support svg

George Edison

@iSeth It's an OpenID provider.

We provide you with an OpenID instead of letting you log in with OpenID.

So you can use our website to log into other websites.

iSeth

04:27

@GeorgeEdison ah, that's why it didn't work.

FEichinger

@GeorgeEdison I really hate that. Everyone providing OpenID defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

iSeth

+1 ^^

FEichinger

"Register once, login everywhere." Not "Get a new OpenID on every other site."

George Edison

@FEichinger But somebody's got to provide an OpenID.

It might as well be me :)

mateo_salta

skydrive.live.com/…

iSeth

04:29

@GeorgeEdison SE does

FEichinger

Even. Friggin. Google. Does.

George Edison

@mateo_salta Thanks.

mateo_salta

did that work

iSeth

@mateo_salta yes it did.

FEichinger

I just realized ... StackExchange chat uses a table-based layout.

iSeth

04:35

@FEichinger what in the world. What happen to being "up to date with HTML5"???

gasp

FEichinger

@iSeth That's exactly what I just thought. wth ...

mateo_salta

lol div tags around the tables

FEichinger

@mateo_salta There is no reason to use tables for what they use them for, though.

George Edison

LightDM just restarted for no reason.

I lost my boat :(

mateo_salta

:(

George Edison

04:36

I'll just use your icon for now.

iSeth

Is natty still supported?

0

Q: Errors updating 11.10

These update errors are preventing upgrade to 12.04: "http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found" "http://extras/ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found" "http://extras/ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages 40...

updates

George Edison

No.

There we go.

iSeth

awesome!

mateo_salta

cool, looks nice small

FEichinger

Not enough contrast on the U.

Or too much on the A.

mateo_salta

04:40

yeah, U could use a bit more yellow

VRU

Hi All... So as natty is not supported the only option he has to upgrade the OS version?

iSeth

@VRU yes.

VRU

oh okay.

mateo_salta

@GeorgeEdison updated version

14 mins ago, by mateo_salta

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=76FD71F2B239F567!410&authkey=!APiahstxe6t8_‌3I

George Edison

Okay.

FEichinger

04:44

@iSeth I'm making the button utility script now (custom buttons!) and moving the buttons into a new line, btw.

iSeth

@FEichinger Hokey Dokey :D

Mochan

Man... ._.

iSeth

+_+

George Edison

Done.

mateo_salta

awesome

Mochan

04:46

\o/

iSeth

excelente

VRU

@iSeth do we have any links that shows end of support of extra packages?

iSeth

@VRU what do you mean by 'extra packages'?

Mochan

=_=

iSeth

@Mochan &_&

Mochan

04:49

@iSeth > . >

u_u;

VRU

@iSeth the link directs to extras.ubuntu.com so I was referring to the 'extras' in it

iSeth

@Mochan QWERTYUIOP_POIUYTREWQ

Mochan

@iSeth O_____O;;

iSeth

@VRU hrm, I don't know

Mochan

@iSeth -_-

I didn't see.

mateo_salta

04:53

aw no fixed text

iSeth

doesn't work.

Mochan

_T

g2g pang me if needed

FEichinger

Dec 27 '12 at 4:08, by FEichinger

mateo_salta

                   ...---...
                ../  / | \  \..
              ./ /  /  |  \  \ \.
             /  /   /  |  \   \  \
            /  /   /   |   \   \  \
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            \          |          /
             \         |         /
              \        |        /
               \       |       /
                \      |      /
                 \     |     /
                  \    |    /
                   \   |   /
                    \  |  /
                     \ | /(__)

iSeth

@mateo_salta how did you get that to work?

George Edison

04:55

Hooray - I've managed to mess up my package database :|

Mochan

Cool

mateo_salta

do an extra return at the end and over there a fixed text button will appear ->

down near upload

iSeth

oky

@Mochan _______________________
    < qwertyuiop_poiuytrewq >
     -----------------------
                           \                    ^    /^
                            \                  / \  // \
                             \   |\___/|      /   \//  .\
                              \  /O  O  \__  /    //  | \ \           *----*
                                /     /  \/_/    //   |  \  \          \   |
                                @___@`    \/_   //    |   \   \         \/\ \
                               0/0/|       \/_ //     |    \    \         \  \

Mochan

Dragon!

mateo_salta

here is the meta.so question about it. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/70141/…

iSeth

05:00

thanks @mateo_salta

mateo_salta

\o/

well, night all.

FEichinger

night

iSeth

playing around with cowsay lol

Night @mateo_salta!

George Edison

__        __
\ \      / /____      __
 \ \ /\ / / _ \ \ /\ / /
  \ V  V / (_) \ V  V /
   \_/\_/ \___/ \_/\_(_)

iSeth

cool!

George Edison

05:05

figlet <--- a handy tool

iSeth

        .--.
       /    \
      ## a  a       _
      (   '._)     |_|
       |'-- |      | |
     _.\___/_   ___|_|___
   ."\> \Y/|<'.  '._.-'
  /  \ \_\/ /  '-' /
  | --'\_/|/ |   _/
  |___.-' |  |`'`
    |     |  |
    |    / './
   /__./` | |
      \   | |
       \  | |
       ;  | |
       /  | |
   |___\_.\_
      `-"--'---'

George Edison

Great - so it sounds like I can't get Qt5 designer and KDE to co-exist nicely.

iSeth

:(

Mochan

;_;

George Edison

05:21

All I wanted was Qt Designer...

VRU

Hi All once again....... Can we suggest ubuntu for a tablet which has ARM CortexA8 1GHz which already has Android on it?

George Edison

Thoughts?

iSeth

good start @GeorgeEdison

Mochan

@iSeth +1

George Edison

:)

Mochan

05:36

nvm

iSeth

uh, OK.

Mochan

LOL.

iSeth

forgets

Mochan

@GeorgeEdison It looks really good. Did you use C or Python? Or both?

George Edison

C++.

Mochan

05:42

@GeorgeEdison I see. I tried to learn that once. And gave up.

George Edison

It's worth learning.

iSeth

actually i tried too, and gave up. Though I was younger then.

Mochan

@iSeth +1

iSeth

I understand programming in general alot better now

Mochan

@GeorgeEdison If I wanted to build a program or a tool, I would try again. But I just don't have any use for it now :P

FEichinger

06:00

I haz a buttons button.

George Edison

The code has been uploaded.

Mochan

:OO

George Edison

06:30

Okay.

@JorgeCastro: Please review this and provide any feedback.

Mochan

@GeorgeEdison Wow! The UI is awesome :D

VRU

06:57

@GeorgeEdison The UI is nice. I guess you are trying to make selecting tag simpler than looking for a list of tags, right?

George Edison

Thanks.

@VRU Tags?

VRU

@GeorgeEdison yeah.. I mean in the current scenario users try to post the question and then use the list of tags that relate to the question. but now I feel the UI you have developed will help users ... instead of looking for tags to mark related to there question. they will have the opportunity to use your UI at the very beginning

George Edison

Right.

I'm hoping I can get some people on board this project.

Night all.

jokerdino

Good night.

George Edison

And if I'm not around tomorrow and Jorge is... please get him to look at my project.

I really value his feedback.

jokerdino

07:09

Sure thing.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

08:32

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Q: Best Monitering Tool for Ubuntu server

I have deployed Ubuntu servers on my remote site and I need to monitor following parameters of my servers. CPU usage, memory, load average, top memory and cpu consuming processes list, I want to make that If any server goes down , I can check actual process behind that so I need list of top ten...

ubuntu

Mochan

09:24

in Discussion about Mochan's Graphics Problems, 23 secs ago, by Mochan

Can I have some help install drivers correctly now, my family? Thankies!

jokerdino

Sup

Mochan

@jokerdino!! LTNS!! :DD

jokerdino

How long is too long for you?

Mochan

Um... 3 days.

Probably.

jokerdino

I am on IRC more often these days.

I have a python project.

Mochan

09:27

I tried to ask the others for help today - but apparently I epic failed so... yeah. I had my HDD replaced and I need help installing them properly. Read the transcript if you're curious.

@jokerdino Interesting. I would be no help at all :3

jokerdino

i have no exp with drivers

gertvdijk

@UbuntuQuestionsonU&L why isn't that on ServerFault or even here?

Mochan

@jokerdino OK lol

@gertvdijk I posted a comment about that. I thought also asking for a list wasn't appropriate but IDK...

gertvdijk

@Mochan "This question was voluntarily removed by its author."

Mochan

@gertvdijk Oh. I didn't even see ^_^;

@K.KPatel, did you need to speak to me? If so, I'm in the other room. ^^''

Mochan

10:05

@K.KPatel I replied to your message in the other room if you're still active

K.K Patel

@jrg

Octavian Damiean

12:19

Hello there.

How's things in AU land?

Things seem to be quite apparently.

gertvdijk

13:14

@OctavianDamiean you mean quiet?

jokerdino

Quite.

gertvdijk

Building RPMs for an in-house developed application here... this is not fun. Reminds me again why I like Debian/Ubuntu.

RolandiXor

jokerdino

@gertvdijk hah

debian packaging is fun when you are not doing it.

geoh

hello ppl

gertvdijk

13:27

@jokerdino I like Debian packaging actually. You'll have to love the heuristics, though.

geoh

anyone alive ?

doesn't seems so

FEichinger

Debugging JavaScript is so painful ...

Oyibo

Good afternoon everyone, anyone available for a quick question? :)

FEichinger

Just shoot =D

Oyibo

@RolandiXor such a cute cat! :D

@FEichinger thanks, here goes: I've had a couple of questions in the review queue today where I'm unable to click on the edit button any idea as to why that is? Is it because there's already a pending edit?

FEichinger

13:43

Mouse over the edit link and you'll get a reason.

Usually, it's just someone else who suggested an edit before you, yeh.

Oyibo

Ah thanks ;) Another edit has already been suggested

also

FEichinger

Any time.

Oyibo

@FEichinger quick question, completely unrelated, how did you learn to JavaScript? And is Java knowledge useful for coding in JavaScript? :)

FEichinger

Well, as for "How to learn [language]" I'm kinda the wrong person to ask. I just ... go ahead and do it. Some project I work on, look up the documentation, try to get it working in a clean manner.

As for Java, though, no that's not needed at all. Java and JavaScript have next to nothing to do with one another at this point.

If you want to start learning JavaScript right now, I'd recommend codecademy.com As interactive and thorough as you can get on this. :D

And now I'm back to "trying to figure out why it doesn't even run half way through" sigh

Oyibo

I was wondering if some of the logic in Java could be applicable to JS, but I guess its the case for 99% of languages, so obvious question :P but yeah I need to find some free time to learn a few languages: Python + JS mainly

jokerdino

13:48

Hey @JorgeCastro, George Edison was looking for feedback re: his new UI.

Oyibo

@FEichinger yeah had heard about codeacademy anyways good luck! Hate debugging but feels good once its done ;)

FEichinger

@Oyibo Wonderful tracks for both at Codecademy. Python, Ruby, jQuery, JavaScript, heck even HTML5 + CSS3. Imho that's the way to go for beginners at web scripting languages, really.

Also: JavaScript is a logical clusterfuck. It makes no sense, it makes no attempt to make sense and it is barely standardized.

shrug

Hahah!

It works!

Well ... not exactly how it should ... But you get the drift.

FEichinger

14:05

Now it works how it should.

Only lacks a UI now.

Jorge Castro

@jokerdino I'm not really a UI expert

Bruno Pereira

good afternoon peeks

jokerdino

14:22

@JorgeCastro he said he values his feedback.

Jorge Castro

I don't really think an app will help

people aren't going to install an application

Bruno Pereira

we're talking about the troubleshoot and report tool in meta?

jrg

yeah

Bruno Pereira

having a deja-vu feeling on that one

- *my computer is broken*
- install this toll and report back
- *my computer is fcken broken, I wont install any stupid tool, u all suck!*

this comes to my mind

Jorge Castro

yeah it's like, I can't bother to form a proper sentence. But I'll take the time to install this app for you.

Bruno Pereira

14:26

idd :)

Jorge Castro

"I can't install the tool, my internet is broken, that's why I'm asking you guys!"

5

Bruno Pereira

LOL

think there was an idea like that last year or so about the same lines, no?

FEichinger

@JorgeCastro ★

jokerdino

@bruno, I think Oli answered one.

Jorge Castro

I think the problem stems from people wanting AU to be a friendly bug tracker.

FEichinger

14:27

BBL

Jorge Castro

the tool will end up looking just like .... apport.

jokerdino

apport is very useful for devs :P

Jorge Castro

I think it was in the beginning when people were like "can we get support for AU taking apport submissions"

Bruno Pereira

the base of all good ideas is need... do we really need this? no, no we don't, me thinks :/

gertvdijk

@JorgeCastro That's an answer to the Q. 1) it's not just about internet related issues. 2) it should come as a static binary, so download to flash drive, insert flash drive, run it. This is what people are used to coming from Windows!

Bruno Pereira

14:35

@gertvdijk Have you ever used windows?

gertvdijk

@BrunoPereira Unfortunately, yes, a lot.

Bruno Pereira

@gertvdijk Have you ever used the Microsoft FixIt tool? (as in OMG its so useful!)

gertvdijk

@BrunoPereira The one that takes ages and always reports it can't fix the issue?

I'm not proposing a tool to fix things. remember that.

Bruno Pereira

@gertvdijk I know, its fine that you are eager to try this, have my fingers crossed something useful will come out of it. Really.

gertvdijk

@BrunoPereira yeah we'll see. I've started this just to see what people are thinking. If an A stating "No, this won't help, because of reason X, Y, Z" and it gets upvoted a lot, then I won't bother.

Jorge Castro

14:39

I just don't think people will use it.

Bruno Pereira

@gertvdijk what jorge said

^ this should be the answer to all questions, ever

Jorge Castro

and if you want to do it, making the tool that already ships ubuntu provide that might be a beteter way

like you click a button and then it puts the info in the paste buffer or something

gertvdijk

@JorgeCastro One of my thoughts too, yet... 1) how do we get a custom System Information application in the current Live images? and if we manage to do this by a new package, 2) it is confusing if one version of this application doesn't provide "AskUbuntu support" and another does. 3) not all DEs have the same System Information application, so this would needs us to expand the work to all... KDE, Unity,... — gertvdijk 18 mins ago

Jorge Castro

well you would just submit fixes to the existing applet in ubuntu

it already ships on there by default

gertvdijk

@JorgeCastro I don't think this would be integrated upstream. A simple System Information applet should depend on APT libs, listing iptables, output stuff in Markdown, etc.

I do agree this is a good idea from the user perspective though!

Jorge Castro

14:46

sec I am searching for apps

there has to be a system information gui thing people have already made

gertvdijk

@JorgeCastro yep. I wasn't thinking about writing it from scratch if I would write it. Yet it has specific requirements or else it will fail, imo.

Octavian Damiean

@gertvdijk wow, what a massive typo right there. You've found it, it's yours. :D

Oh hello, Mr. Jorge Castro. How's things?

Jorge Castro

hey dude!

Octavian Damiean

Long long time no see, eh?

@gertvdijk Don't worry. I'm not offended at all. :)

Thank god you don't have to hear me speak English too. My amazing Arnold Schwarzenegger-like accent.

gertvdijk

@OctavianDamiean yeah, read it between the words:

Octavian Damiean

14:53

heh

I love that episode.

jrg

@OctavianDamiean hiya!

Octavian Damiean

Whoa!

It's a wild James. where's my pokeball?

jrg

hows it going?

Octavian Damiean

I'm fine. How are you?

jrg

busy. but good.

Octavian Damiean

14:58

You're apparently all over the internet ...

2

jrg

eh? Am I?

oh. that's funny.

Octavian Damiean

Been reading a GitHub issue on the Brackets project and you were quite involved in the discussion there.

jrg

what, issue #1153?

Octavian Damiean

Yup. :)

Alrighty, gotta run. Laters everyone.

jrg

cya

gertvdijk

15:03

How the heck does the "Community" user provide new information to a Q? askubuntu.com/posts/233558/revisions

jrg

anonymous edits.

> proposed 35 mins ago by an anonymous user

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/68770

gertvdijk

@jrg ah thanks. I would reject this one. or can some people see it's sharing IP address with the original poster?

jrg

@gertvdijk we can't see the IP address, but if it makes sense for the information to be there, then it's ok.

and it's relevant.

Bruno Pereira

15:40

Broken? Find a solution! Found it? Share it on the site!

vote this guy up please:

1

A: How to update BIOS in Dell laptop?

The first step is to get information about your current system. In Ubuntu you can check the BIOS version with the following two commands: sudo dmidecode -s bios-version sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date You need information about your computer's hardware when querying the manufacturer's webs...

fossfreedom

@BrunoPereira so the solution is to use windows? doesnt sound like a solution to me.

jrg

face it - BIOS updates almost always require a DOS-based system.

Bruno Pereira

@fossfreedom all others are useless at this point, the rescue cd can be created without actually buying a license, unless someone invents something else that is the answer

@jrg win BIOS upgrades are everywhere! DOS is not the solution now a days

jrg

@BrunoPereira sorry, wasn't clear.

Bruno Pereira

Any ways, all answers on that post are useless at this point except that one.

fossfreedom

15:44

@BrunoPereira ... new piccy ... looking at what though?

Bruno Pereira

@fossfreedom chick ofc :) (she looks pissed btw)

fossfreedom

:)

mateo_salta

what? are they saying dell removed the in BIOS way of upgrading firmware?

Bruno Pereira

16:01

@mateo_salta looks like it

@mateo_salta go go, find a way to fix that mess!

mateo_salta

ah, looks like they have a bootable flashing CD, in the service manual It shows how to flash from cd, dell.com/support/Manuals/us/en/19/Product/studio-1537

check this out, bay-wolf.com/bootcd-bios.htm

fossfreedom

... add that as an answer!

mateo_salta

hm, I'll see if I can burn the image with linux. should work.

fossfreedom

weird ... I'm still seeing sleighs when folks leave from here!

Bruno Pereira

me 2

fossfreedom

16:09

xmas is never ending here in AU land.

2

Bruno Pereira

:D

jrg

sleighs!

mateo_salta

@BrunoPereira I'll do a write up and test to see if ubuntu can write the image (so you can flash without windows!)

Bruno Pereira

hope so!

iSeth

aww, I've used my star allowance :(

fossfreedom

16:28

@BrunoPereira ... if you are ever feeling very bored ... need your language skills with my program ... translations.launchpad.net/coverartbrowser

Bruno Pereira

@fossfreedom on it

fossfreedom

hey ... I said when (or if ) you are bored! - thanks :)

jokerdino

seems like you got it set up already :)

fossfreedom

16:43

yep - @Mahesh answer and his extra help was very useful.

@jokerdino - how come you have two RSS feeds on planet ubuntu? - planet.ubuntu.com

jokerdino

17:08

@fossfreedom Ah, one is wordpress and the other is tumblr

jrg

17:23

@jokerdino and you use the tumblr for stacktackable stuff, and the wordpress for everything else?

jokerdino

yeah pretty much

using tumblr seems lame now though

stacktack isn't worth using tumblr

Jorge Castro

there's a stacktack for wordpress!

jokerdino

Yeah, but not for wordpress.com blogs :(

i would have to set up a blog on a new domain and all those stuff

Jorge Castro

oh oh, right

jrg

who needs security when you have wordpress? :)

@JorgeCastro still enjoying that octopress blog?

what's it costing you now?

Jorge Castro

17:34

<3 it

I am debating moving to cloudpress, which has built in s3/cloudfront features

It's like 70 cents a month right now

jrg

oh cool.

still dirt cheap.

Jorge Castro

yeah

cloudpress is just octo but with the mods for easily pushing to s3/cloudfront ootb

it's on my todo

unfortunately it looks like octo isn't seeing much work in trunk, I wonder if the guy is just too busy to accept the new branches

jrg

david-j-nelson.com/blog/2012/09/13/… this thing?

github.com/octopress/octopress/pulls < it's empty.

er, interesting. there are two github repos claiming to be octopress.

github.com/imathis/octopress/issues/928 < filed a issue on the matter.

FEichinger

Fun fact about chat.SE layout: If you add a second line of buttons, the legal footer nearly disappears.

jrg

fun fact: if you just resize the text box, same thing happens.

FEichinger

17:43

"Screw you, CSS, we be doin' dis oldskool!"

jrg

FEichinger

That isn't much of a design choice, though, since text boxes are standardized to be resizable nowadays. :P

But seriously, what's so hard about position: absolute; bottom: 0; right: 0;? And at least not using friggin tables for everything.

Now secbu needs to also fix the positioning on the legal footer ...

Mahesh

o/

iSeth

@JorgeCastro askubuntu.com/q/237787/44179

hehe

I guess you can answer that ;)

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