Ask Ubuntu General Room

bernard

00:03

anyone there?

James Gifford

Yo @bernard.

(so yes, someone is here)

bernard

i'm a win migrant

James Gifford

You having problems?

bernard

just confused by the whole new experience

not really just confused by the whole new experience

i'm a win migrant

James Gifford

@bernard Alright. Did you read through this? - help.ubuntu.com/10.10/newtoubuntu/C/index.html

It's got a lot of things about switching.

bernard

00:07

yes

James Gifford

Do you have any questions in specific?

Roland Taylor

I understand switching from windows can be confusing ^^ - but taking baby steps makes it easy :)

bernard

not really just been overwhelmed by the new ubuntu experience

tell me about it

Roland Taylor

first thing to help you get used to it,

is to learn how to find applications

(the easiest part really)

but... I would suggest you tell us where you are confused (before I end up confusing you more ^^)

bernard

well i downloaded the source code of klavaro and did all the commands in the terminal only to find out that i had some missing dependencies

Roland Taylor

00:12

haha

that's making life harder than it has to be

bernard

how to build from the source when u don't have some dependencies

Roland Taylor

open software-center and search for klavaro

bernard

u der

Roland Taylor

Most of the software you can compile from source is already available pre-compiled in the software center.

bernard

i did but couldn't find it

by the way i'm from Ghana Africa

u der?

Roland Taylor

00:15

yes I'm here

If you are not seeing it, then you might need to enable some extra software sources

if you have software center open, open the software sources and enable all the available sources

bernard

where did u get it

Roland Taylor

he got it from debian's repository

but it should also be available in ubuntu's repos, if you enable them

bernard

ok thanks very much can u be my ubuntu mentor? please

Roland Taylor

sure

bernard

@RolandTaylor thanks

Roland Taylor

00:20

@bernard np I love to help people

bernard

@JamesGifford are you there?

@RolandTaylor can you be my ubuntu mentor?

Roland Taylor

@bernard lol yes

Trufa

The software center is not opening...

hmmm

bernard

@RolandTaylor i'm serious i so want to be linux expert

Roland Taylor

being an expert takes some time

Trufa

00:24

logged out, logged in: solved

Roland Taylor

@bernard how long have you been using ubuntu?

bernard

@RolandTaylor i know that's why i need a mentor

Trufa

omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/…

That look cool!!

Roland Taylor

@Trufa I like that too ^^

bernard

@RolandTaylor about two months

Roland Taylor

00:26

@bernard I will try to be a mentor, and this site is a good place to learn too

bernard

@RolandTaylor i know so when are we going to start the lessons?

Trufa

by the way, IMO that must be one of the nicest blog designs out there.

bernard

@Trufa hi

Trufa

@bernard hi to you too

Roland Taylor

@bernard well I wouldn't suggest lessons for learning linux,

in my opinion the best way to learn is to take on each challenge as you face it

Trufa

00:32

@bernard something very important is that it is very hard to break computers now-a-days

If you don't have very important files in your computer

You can do whatever you want

bernard

@RolandTaylor how?

Trufa

Fear is paralyzing, you shouldnt be afraid to try and solve things in whichever way you feel

@bernard by doning

@bernard how old are you?

2

Roland Taylor

@bernard it's simple really

you try to do things you want to do, and when you face a challenge you cannot understand or get past, then you come to me or someone else here for assistance ^^

Trufa

@RolandTaylor that is a wise advice, I second that completly

bernard

@Trufa 23

Roland Taylor

00:36

ahh same age as me :D

Trufa

@RolandTaylor and me!!

:)

Roland Taylor

wow

O.o

what a coincidence :D

Trufa

@RolandTaylor he true

bernard

@RolandTaylor well i'm a student from Africa and don't have a permanent internet connection so i do most of browsing on my phone

Roland Taylor

cool

where are you studying?

bernard

00:38

@RolandTaylor Ghana, university of cape coast

Trufa

@bernard most of the things in ubuntu are easy and intuitive

you should not worry

Roland Taylor

I had a friend at college from Nigeria - was a cool guy

Trufa

@bernard I'm from uruguay I'm afraid to tell you :)

Roland Taylor

:D wow

I've never met anyone from Uruguay

well- I'm from Barbados ^^

bernard

@RolandTaylor so what do you do?

@RolandTaylor ok

Roland Taylor

00:40

I'm a tech guy starting my own business

Trufa

@RolandTaylor this is quite and international chat then

bernard

@RolandTaylor cool i also want to start a blog about my ubuntu experience sort of my journal for newbies like myself

Roland Taylor

@Trufa yep

Trufa

@bernard that is a great idea and it really helps with your learning if you know you are going to write about it

Roland Taylor

@bernard cool you can start one on wordpress or posterous

or blogspot

Trufa

00:44

@RolandTaylor beat me too it

Roland Taylor

and you can write on mine if you like: 2buntu.wordpress.com if you like too

@Trufa lol

bernard

@RolandTaylor give some blogging ideas cos i'm a newbie

Trufa

@bernard you can blog about anything you like, and there are many different kind of blogs

Roland Taylor

one of the best things you can do is chronicle the things you learn

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brb - gonna grab some food

Trufa

@RolandTaylor starred!

@bernard in my opinion if you want to learn how to blog

you will have to read lots of them

and then decide what you like and what you don't about them

I personally like very much the blogs of this site's network

codinghorror.com

and

joelonsoftware.com

They now don't blog so often though...

but they are both excellent writers

bernard

00:51

@RolandTaylor so how visits do u get a day?

@Trufa off to sleep 1am over here talk to you later [email protected]

Trufa

@bernard have a good night

see you later!!

bernard

@Trufa off to sleep 1am over here talk to you later [email protected]

@Trufa email me and also up vote so i can build my rep points

Trufa

@bernard no I won't

:)

sorry

that is not allowed here

Don't worry about your rep points

they will come soon enough

just post good quality questions and answers

@bernard ok?

bernard

@Trufa ok

Trufa

@bernard you should up-vote only if the quality of the question answer is good! :)

@bernard great! :)

bernard

00:57

@Trufa i hear

Trufa

Rep points feel much better if you earn them!

bernard

@Trufa u right

bye

Trufa

@bernard see you!!

That was a nice please don't sock-puppet rant...

Roland Taylor

lol

back

Trufa

@RolandTaylor how many readers do you have?

(of your blog)

Roland Taylor

01:07

I haven't checked for a few days

but it's new so the numbers are low to my memory

Trufa

@RolandTaylor I imagine, but it looks good! good luck with it!

If you ever need a helping hand

Roland Taylor

thanks ^^

I'd love to have other contributors

Trufa

@RolandTaylor no prob, I will start blogging about my college experience (the technical aspects of it) at least

I don't expect too many people to read it but I hope it helps motivate my studies

Roland Taylor

if you wanna be added you can drop me a mail at rolandixor at gmail dot com

Trufa

@RolandTaylor I will

brb

will put my dog to sleep :)

Roland Taylor

01:12

cool

Roland Taylor

01:24

gaming time

Radu

01:37

So I installed ubuntu-desktop on a server (sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends ubuntu-desktop), will sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop do a nice job cleaning it?

George Edison

02:33

0

Q: How come I can't redirect TCP ports on this wireless router?

I am configuring a router to redirect TCP port 5900 (yes, this is for VNC) to a specific IP address on the network. Here is what I have: From a local computer on the same network, I can telnet to 192.168.1.64 (port 5900) just fine. However, when trying to telnet to the machine (port 5900) usin...

^--- Really driving me nuts.

George Edison

02:56

Anyone around?

Any network admins around?

Achu

05:34

Good Morning!!!

Kaustubh P

@Achu mornin!

Achu

@KaustubhP hi

what is the active samba forum support?

is askubuntu include(support) samba question?

Kaustubh P

yu can ask it on AU. @Achu

Achu

@KaustubhP the question is also related with windows7 it is samba domain problem

Kaustubh P

yeah, i have read Ubuntu+W7 questions on AU/

ask away!

Achu

05:46

Ok i will Thanks

djeikyb

06:12

@Marco Ceppi Authoritarian or authoritative? ;p RE: meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1168/…

Takkat

Hello morning/evening all

djeikyb

howdy @Takkat

Takkat

We had change to summertime yesterday. Feels extremely early today (middle of the night)

djeikyb

ugh. hate these silly time changes

Takkat

@djeikyb me too - wish it was always summer (but for more obvious other reasons)

djeikyb

06:21

winter here is mild, i rather like it

Takkat

Hate these silly temperature changes here +3°C today - freezy

djeikyb

06:49

holy cow. why is chromium using >200MB of ram with only three stack exchange pages open?

Trufa

0

Q: Have the scale effect (Super+w) but only of the windows of the active / selected program.

I was wondering if this is possible. I want the same effect as with Super+w but that it only affects the selected windows. Is this ("easy" and) possible? Thanks in advance!

windows effects

any ideas?

djeikyb

nope. i'm not a gnome user

Takkat

@djeikyb this may be from chat room :P

djeikyb

yeah, i'm cross checking with firefox4

Trufa

@djeikyb thanks anyway!

djeikyb

06:58

huh. firefox is up to 150MB with the same tabs.

how fast ram disappears when you have twenty or thirty tabs open.

Trufa

@djeikyb you can say that!

djeikyb

@Trufa someone else will likely know, here or the boards :)

Trufa

my personal record is 103

djeikyb

holy cow

Trufa

I have improved since then!

djeikyb

07:00

i have a mere two gigs of ram. i don't think my poor compy could handle that

Trufa

@djeikyb it was on a 2gb ram computer

but only mainly text sites

not only

but mainly

at one moment my computer felt slow :)

and so i started closing

djeikyb

just a bit ago my computer started seizing with just three chromium windows, each with 5-15 tabs

Takkat

@djeikyb that's 45 instances :P

djeikyb

mostly askubuntu.com pages and perl reference sites

yeahhh

facebook seems to be heavy. i don't think it was helping much

this is why i need to upgrade. dual quad core...sixteen gigs of ram...

Trufa

@djeikyb 16gb ram?

djeikyb

07:05

then again, that's why i don't upgrade. a beastly system for what? web browsing? psh. maybe if i needed virtualisation again.

@Trufa sure. who wouldn't want sixteen gigs? especially if you're running multiple VMs (which i'm not currently, because of the whole single processor, limited ram dealio)

Trufa

@djeikyb yes of course I would like to have them :)

@djeikyb I agree certain things might require that ram but in most cases, that is a lot!!!

djeikyb

keep a few ajax heavy tabs open, maybe a couple facebooks, twitters, a gmail. toss in a few youtube tabs. then have another window for your own web development. a final window for perl, html, and php reference docs and various google queries..

lazyPower

ponders on the frames he would get out of SC2 with those system specs combined with a 1gig vram card

djeikyb

it adds up

@lazyPower my radeon x300 cries at the thought of sc2

Trufa

@djeikyb ohh twitter likes to kill my windows computer from time to time

sorry to ask, but for some reason I can't find a solution

how can I put the bottom panel in the side

?

djeikyb

07:13

@Trufa can't drag it?

are you using normal 10.[04|10] gnome or unity?

Trufa

@djeikyb no

@djeikyb yes

djeikyb

haha yes? which one?

Trufa

10.10

@djeikyb I'm getting some weird behaviour

djeikyb

i'll assume gnome...

right click > properties, opens a window with an orientation button

Greg

I'm using Talika 0.50.. when pinning an app, sometimes I have to associate other processes with it so they always appear as the same icon. When I add a nautilus launcher, I can't find a way to make all windows appear as one icon. Any ideas?

djeikyb

07:17

choose right or left?

Trufa

@djeikyb I'm not sure what you are talking about

I use ubuntu

is that what you were asking?

mushfiq

hi

djeikyb

@Trufa no, i'm asking if you're using the newfangled unity interface or the standard gnome

mushfiq

i am just facing a problem in 10.10

my network icon lost after setting my inetrnet connection

djeikyb

@Trufa i just launched a gnome-session and moved the bottom panel to the right. it's a little buggy with the spacing of the window list/buttons, but it worked

Trufa

07:21

@djeikyb I guess i'm using the standard since i don't know what the newfangled unity interface is :)

djeikyb

@Greg what the heck is talika?

mushfiq

can anyone help me in the issue?

djeikyb

@Trufa granted, i'm using 10.04. don't have a 10.10 with gnome-session to test on. my netbook uses unity

@mushfiq didja ask on the board?

Trufa

@djeikyb mmm I'll keep trying thanks!!

djeikyb

@Trufa can you get to the properties window when you right click on the panel?

Trufa

07:24

@djeikyb yes I can, but there is no option to make it go to the side

djeikyb

hrm..nothing that says orientation eh.. can you screencap it?

Trufa

@djeikyb sorry I don't know what screencap is

djeikyb

slang for screen capture, or screen shot

Greg

@djeikyb sourceforge.net/projects/talika

Trufa

@djeikyb he, sorry

djeikyb

07:26

shutter is a great program for doing it, it can take a picture of individual windows as well as the whole desktop

Trufa

@djeikyb already installed :)

djeikyb

@Greg aha. much different than what i got googling: google.com/images?q=talika

Trufa

@djeikyb ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm sorry

I cant believe i missed the damn first option is orientatnion

djeikyb

@Trufa haha, no worries

Trufa

@djeikyb haha this means I need to go to sleep now

@djeikyb thanks for the help

djeikyb

07:30

glad i'm not the only one who comes up with silly can't-believe-i-didn't-see-that questions

2

Takkat

@djeikyb almost all questions are like that once the answer was given :P

djeikyb

ach. too true

@Greg i've no experience with talika, neither the breast enhancing serum nor the gnome applet

2

Trufa

@Takkat starred!

Greg

aha :D

Trufa

I'm leaving now! see you soon!

Takkat

07:35

bye @Trufa

djeikyb

c'ya @trufa

lol. that starred quote better not be my life's five minutes of fame.

Takkat

@djeikyb may show up for days eventually :)

Octavian Damiean

morning

Takkat

morning @OctavianDamiean

Octavian Damiean

meh

Greg

08:17

good morning

lazyPower

Morning @OctavianDamiean

Octavian Damiean

man I'm sooo meh

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean could be worse brother. I'm sick racing for the bathroom every 20 minutes.

Takkat

@OctavianDamiean CEST :'(

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower thats bad yea but I'm still meh

@Takkat that is one reason yea

the other one is the weather ... all grey and rainy

Takkat

08:32

@OctavianDamiean will improve - here sun already (welcome party for green party i guess)

Octavian Damiean

@Takkat hehe yea heard that already :)

Takkat

first time in history a state here is governed by the green party.

and it's one of the most conservative states - that will be much fun :P

Octavian Damiean

oh wow I would not have thought that this answer will get that many up-votes lol

9

A: Why does Ubuntu need to reboot so often?

I guess you are referring to the latest update. It included a package called linux-firmware which is a package that provides firmware used by the Linux kernel drivers so it was a kernel related update. So to answer your question or better to correct that statement, Ubuntu doesn't need to be res...

@Takkat but I think it is a good sign

James Gifford

@OctavianDamiean Nothing wrong with rebooting regularly. (And I know you didn't say that). I just reboot after every update anyway, since normally, it's got an update to something that I use regularly.

Octavian Damiean

@JamesGifford well I turn my computer off every time I don't need it anymore so I don't really get the problem with rebooting anyway

I mean of course on a server it would be different but a server admin should know what he does and why

James Gifford

08:43

@OctavianDamiean I'm one of those nuts that never shuts down his computer - it's uptime is normally upwards of 24 hours.

Octavian Damiean

well for me there is no point in doing so as I don't download stuff. I only use it to browse the internet, check mails, develop stuff and thats it

James Gifford

That's pretty much what I do, except that I've (Normally) got the latest ubuntu, fedora and debian stable ISO's torrenting. (Mostly at night though).

Octavian Damiean

hmm my sentence disappeared

lazyPower

charles@interrupt:~$ uptime
04:50:33 up 63 days, 9:52, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.04, 0.01

my uptime is pale in comparison to @oli , but thanks to ksplice. I rarely reboot

James Gifford

[ruby_koans (master)]$ uptime
04:48:58 up 9:43, 4 users, load average: 0.54, 0.57, 0.48

huh. never heard of ksplice. Looks useful.

lazyPower

08:54

on servers, its very useful

helps keep your downtime to a minimum due to software updates

Octavian Damiean

there is another reason why the rebooting problem doesn't make sense to me. I always have the latest stable of Ubuntu (10.10) and at least one instance of Ubuntu+1 installed. Currently I have two of them (11.04)

so yea I have to reboot anyway if I want need Natty for example

James Gifford

See, I triple boot stable Ubuntu, Ubuntu+1 and Windows. But the +1 changes fairly often, since I switch it up with Fedora from time to time.

(So the +1 partition is more of a sandbox)

lazyPower

@JamesGifford if i were doing that often, i would change mysandbox to a VM and keep stable + windows running on my hdd. but thats my own personal preference.

Oli

09:55:55 up 364 days, 15:08, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

lazyPower

i prefer consistency to features

like i said, my uptime is pale compared to @Oli ;) coz he's the man.

James Gifford

08:58

@lazyPower The issue I have is system resources - I've got a wimpy netbook (* shrug *)

@Oli ..... wow.

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower if you need a real test environment you won't get around installing it on real hardware

lazyPower

not true

i test 11.04 in a vm and i'll Eventually install it on my hardware.

probably not for a few months after release, when i'm confident that its ready and stable enough for my day to day use.

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower sorry to say but it is not true that it is not true (I know it sounds funny9

lazyPower

my biggest fear is the use of weyland, and how much that will change the game with my workflow. i cant deal with weyland/compiz crashes every 20 minutes like i was experiencing on the thumb-drive boot of 11.04 the other day.

Octavian Damiean

in order to test the hardware compatibility and stuff you really have to install it on well hardware :D

James Gifford

09:06

@lazyPower It's still an alpha. ;)

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean - i hear that loud and clear :)

@JamesGifford - i understand that as well ;) thats why i'm not using it as a daily workstation.

@OctavianDamiean - but for exploratory and feature-testing, VM's tend to fit the bill well enough

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower true if the features you want to checkout don't depend on hardware acceleration (which at this point is no problem on a VM too afaik)

Takkat

@OctavianDamiean well at the moment due to ABI version issue 11.04 does not run in VBox - unless anyone succeeded to get it running

Octavian Damiean

@Takkat oh didn't know that. Well then one point to real hardware :D

Takkat

@OctavianDamiean or wait for a fix :P I'm still on 10.04 LTS

But have the advantage of a second play-with box :)

Octavian Damiean

09:14

@Takkat you should go for 10.10

it is really awesome

James Gifford

Then there's me - I have to install 10.10 first, since my intel chip doesn't like the natty kernel out of the box.

Takkat

true, my play-with box is still on 10.10 but not for long ;P

lazyPower

@Takkat I'm considering going with the LTS branch myself, just because its so rock solid stable

its almost like using BSD.... boring because it doesnt break.

;)

Octavian Damiean

the truth is that 10.10 was not unstable a single time (for me at least) since I use it and that is quite some time now

James Gifford

The only thing that I missed when I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 was the old netbook UI. Unity was nice on 10.10, but that launcher not autohiding was a pain in the butt. No stability issues at all.

Takkat

09:19

@OctavianDamiean ack to that - for a .10 release amazingly stable indeed

lazyPower

I'm using 10.10 myself and only experienced one regression with the kernel, which was a fix 2 hours later.

and it only affected the DKMS system, so i couldnt fire up my vmware install. which in the grand scheme of things, was minor.

Octavian Damiean

they are really doing a fantastic job with making Linux really usable for end-users

James Gifford

^
That's why I'm using Ubuntu and not something else as my main machine.

Octavian Damiean

yesterday I've downloaded the first issue of full circle and boy what a progress they made ... amazing

and I've also realized that in two years I'm already a Linux user for a decade!!

lazyPower

Shameless plug for ubuntu - and its 100% speculation by my own experience - THere is no single other distro out there thats as widely supported as Ubuntu. 90% of all indie packages come with a ubuntu variant. Trying to find that for another distro such as Arch, or fedora, not so much. While perhaps 70% of the archives i've run across may have the RPM its very odd to not

see a Ubuntu pacakge since Ubuntu holds quite a bit of the market share through their dedication to keeping linux simple, and making it a "useable" solution for everyone.

James Gifford

09:26

might be 100% speculation, but it's speculation that makes a lot of sense.

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean Early congrats. I'm 15 years into this system, and haven't missed the other OS's one bit. Linux has kept me entertained for that long, which is surprising considering I'm about as ADHD as it gets.

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower nice! That is pretty admirable

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean thank Tom Gilbert for inspiring me without knowing it. I was an avid follower of linuxbrit.co.uk in the early 90's. His adventures with debian got me started.

Octavian Damiean

wow is it really that simple to create chromium extensions? It's only HTML/CSS and JS?

lazyPower

i started off with Redhat 5.2, had a love hate relationship with it, eventually migrated to slackware 6 and ran it for circa 3 years, then Debian for a few years until i managed to totally and utterly break a potatoe install... found ubuntu and have been running it ever since.

Octavian Damiean

09:32

how cools that?

James Gifford

@OctavianDamiean Yup.

lazyPower

@OctavianDamiean same principal as creating a desktop widget with the gadget framework.

look into FF extensions, it isnt much harder than that either.

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower hehe yea I've started with Suse ... also have a hate/love relationship till I've found Debian

@lazyPower weren't FF extensions XUL based?

or at least their UI

lazyPower

I'm just not happy with the direction that Redhat's community took with fedora.

XUL framework isnt that far from modified DOM code.

Octavian Damiean

@lazyPower well I've never tried it out just read about it :)

James Gifford

09:48

Why do I have a bad feeling that this is why Mark Shuttleworth started Unity...?

Takkat

@JamesGifford lol

James Gifford

I mean, it's even MORE cluttered than my normal GNOME setup.... :p

Takkat

icons are monochrome :D

James Gifford

True. Except for the Clipit one. D:

But they don't have a monochrome clipit yet... :(

lazyPower

wow throwback from way back... i just google image searched "monochrome clippit icon" and i got results for clippy, the word97 assistant O.o totally offtopic google slaps google

James Gifford

09:56

lol. :P

djeikyb

@JamesGifford yeah..don't think ubuntu is going to have an easier of a time than microsoft with discouraging people from abusing the system tray (or indicator area, whatever it's called these days)

lazyPower

I wonder why they dont do what MS did and give it a pop-out tray

seems to be a viable solution

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