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C.S.Cameron

1:52 AM

@RandomPerson Well there are lots of people out there that own Microsoft and Apple Stock who would find joy in harming Linux. I would not put it past Apple or the old Microsoft to attack Linux and the image of Linux users either.

A bad experience asking a question on AU could turn someone away from Ubuntu. I have seen some people get real upset just because their question was closed.

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NotTheDr01ds

6:34 AM

@C.S.Cameron I think that's a bit of a reach, personally. First, Mac is only a tiny portion of Apple's revenue, and Mac as a server (where Linux would mostly compete) is almost non-existent.

As for Microsoft, I bought some stock a few years ago, and one of the big reasons was that they were beginning to embrace Linux, with Azure and WSL.

I'd be really surprised if anyone had any grand plans to try to bump up the stock of two trillion-dollar companies by turning off a few Ubuntu users ;-)

And trust me, the Super User community is far more obnoxious to new Windows questions than most of what I see here on Ask Ubuntu, IMHO.

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C.S.Cameron

8:46 AM

@NotTheDr01ds I was recalling the time Steve Ballmer said that "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches," You may be right that Microsoft has chilled a little since then, but I still do not trust them.

Kulfy

And fast-forward to 2014, Satya Nadella said, "Microsoft <3 Linux"

Changes in leadership sometimes changes the whole perspective and goals of an organisation.

C.S.Cameron

"embrace, extend, and extinguish"

Very clever.

Kulfy

9:23 AM

IIRC MS organised a parade to celebrate the death of iPhone when they released Win 7 mobile phones. And then in 2015, they apparently announced death of their own mobile OS.

Zanna

@C.S.Cameron an enemy of intellectual property is a friend of mine hahaha

C.S.Cameron

10:14 AM

(I even refuse to spell his name correctly)

Journeyman Geek

10:31 AM

hm.

@C.S.Cameron I'm going to kinda invoke the words of a rather beloved former CM here and say...

A: Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to "be nice" to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)?

Let's read that "be nice" policy: Whether you've come to ask questions, or to generously share what you know, remember that we’re all here to learn, together. Be welcoming and patient, especially with those who may not know everything you do. Oh, and bring your sense of humor. Just in case. ...

Saying someone should burn in hell forever isn't nice. Talking about specific actions are fine. Saying someone should rot in hell is not

C.S.Cameron

10:47 AM

Sonny Bono created a law that took away public domain rights of millions of people on billions of works, CTEA. He should be considered the Devil to all Free software users.

I was there when him and Cher got booed off stage at the Newport rock festival in 1968.

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Random Person

5:14 PM

@C.S.Cameron hmm..

@C.S.Cameron Yeah.. I agree.. I am glad that my first time experience in AU was good :)

I wish Microsoft Office becomes FOSS... but that is never gonna happen :(

At least, they should make Microsoft Office available in Linux distros..

@NotTheDr01ds ooo.. I didn't know that..

I just wanted to share this: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/18/21262103/microsoft-open-source-linux-history-wrong-statement

But yeah.. Steve Ballmer's statement is very bad IMO.

NotTheDr01ds

Re: public domain. The way the US Constitution is worded, it should have been unconstitutional IMO. The Constitution gave Congress the right to make IP laws:

> To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.

If the existing copyright term on those works was sufficient to incentivize the author's creation of those works, then extending the copyright after-the-fact did nothing to "promote the progress".

The Supreme Court didn't agree, of course.

I believe it comes down to the fact that Disney can afford the best Constitutional lawyers to argue their case.

Traditionally, copyright terms in the US have been extended when Winnie the Poo or Mickey Mouse are about to enter the public domain.

Random Person

@C.S.Cameron I was searching for the video in which Ballmer said this quote. But I was unable to find one. Can you/somebody else find the video?

NotTheDr01ds

Probably not going to be a video. According to The Register it was in an interview for an article with the Chicago newspaper.

But given that was 20 years ago, I've forgiven and forgotten. Back then, Google "did no evil", too :P

Random Person

@Kulfy to future readers searching for the relevant video: youtu.be/54hHr8ye2kE?t=32

NotTheDr01ds

5:29 PM

Cool - it was in video

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Ballmer quote.

I'm really looking forward to the ability to run Android apps on Windows 11 (post launch). Hopefully it really happens this time.

Random Person

@Kulfy relevant video to future readers: youtu.be/Icng5MHp7T4?t=689

Ask Ubuntu Meta

Q: Inconsistent date in close description

I am talking about this question: Software Updater is saying "You stopped the check for updates". What should I do? The question was asked 11 months ago and the question was closed 12 months ago. How is this possible? Is this a bug?

NotTheDr01ds

I think Microsoft has evolved their "Embrace, extend, extinguish" to "Embrace, extend, profit" for the most part.

Random Person

@NotTheDr01ds lol.. that's weird..

@NotTheDr01ds +1

@NotTheDr01ds oh.. OK.

LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn

6:14 PM

Hello

I am trying to improve my knowledge on the inner workings of the Linux kernel, so I started with studying how epoll works under the hood.
I however have some difficulties understanding a couple of things:

- what is the point of the ["napy_busy_loop" function](https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/net/core/dev.c#L6744)?

- how is the link made between a hardware interrupt which occurs and a process inside a waitqueue?

1) napi_busy_loop: I can see that there is an infinite loop and at one point napi_poll is called. This function pointer contains references a function that i…

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