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dgood1

01:31

Hi. This doesn't seem to have room in the main site, so I'm asking here

Is there something wrong with:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-desktop-i386.iso

That's the link that downloads Lubuntu 18.4 32-bit

Payel Senapati

@dgood1 try cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release

dgood1

08:40

Many thanks

Will try it when I get home

dgood1

11:45

Okay, it's like... 20 kbps... but it's progress

terdon

@dgood1 sounds like a connection issue on your end. I see it downloading very fast:

David

14:32

@terdon C.S.Cameron told me I need to stop commenting on 14.04 being off topic and that 16.04 will not be off topic in April of this year. He gave me this link wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and told me both 14.04 and 16.04 are supported for many more years. This goes against everything I had been told please clarify. BTW this is not the first time this guy has told me to stop commenting on things.

terdon

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Q: Is Ubuntu 14.04 off-topic on Ask Ubuntu?

THREAD NOTICE: This issue has been raised to Mark Shuttleworth, the Ubuntu Community Council, and the Ubuntu Technical Board via this email message (TB is the only public archive version of the email). You may wish to wait for official governance and definitions on "End of Standard Support", "E...

Thomas is our resident expert on this. He's a mod here and is also an Ubuntu member, so he can be considered an authority.

I don't know enough about the details and the difference between end of life vs end of support to have a strong opinion, so I'll go with: "Has @ThomasWard posted an EOL notice about this release on meta? If yes, it is off topic and if not, it isn't".

David

OK thanks

Also the actual end date for 16.04.

This CS guy seems to have been watching me like a hawk and takes any chance he has to tell me to go away lol

I have stopped voting and using flags what so ever and have been limiting my comments and not offering any help so do not know what else can do to stay out of trouble.

I thouhgt it was ok to remind people 16.04 is getting old.

Thomas Ward

14:59

@David it is. if CS Cameron is being overly rude and problematic, report it

let mods handle it

David

ok

Thomas Ward

depending on how Canonical defines the terms "end of standard support" and "EOL" and "ESM" per the inquiry up at Canonical now via the ubuntu community council, that will likely drive the policy decision, regardless of CS Cameron's statements

David

The only one I clearly understand is ESM

you pay you play.

Thomas Ward

that's what CS Cameron is arguing. "ESM is freely available! We should still support ESM systems!"

^^ basically their argument

now. if anyone disagrees with that statement: i invite them to voice their opinions on the meta thread HERE - CSCameron has 'self-accepted' their answer which means squat in the overall thing

but your opinions are valid and need to be heard

so share your opinions there. either as an answer, on my answer, on his, etc. - opinions matter.

and that includes you too @terdon if you're bored :P

David

My point and my only point is I am not an expert in many things and learn new things all the time. I just Want to be accurate.

Commenting in a OP question that I am giving wrong info is in my book rude.

I get myself in enough trouble without any help.

Just ask my ex wife I had to move 13 000 km away to make her happy.

Thomas Ward

15:45

the system will eventually pick it up but it's slow as heck.

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Q: Policy Change Proposal: "End of Standard Support" for ESM releases is effectively the "Not Supported" date for a release on Ask Ubuntu

This is a proposal for adjusting a policy. The Community at large should vote on this change and determine whether or not they are in support of it. This is as simple as upvoting or downvoting the question - however answers are appreciated to vice your viewpoint, there are "Yes, I support the p...

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Journeyman Geek

@ThomasWard I feel like looping in the CMs on this is a good idea

There might be 'similar' arguments based on the ruling here on other sites

Thomas Ward

@JourneymanGeek I will make a note:

other sites are other sites :P

how one site determines its end of support policies doesn't necessarily drive the others

Journeyman Geek

eh, its one network. not really for a ruling, but so they're aware

terdon

I can't think of any other site that could have something similar though. AU is very closely linked to Ubuntu and Canonical so the rules about EOL feel like they'd be better hashed out here.

Journeyman Geek

@terdon there's a bunch of cross pollination between sites

as well as the process in general

Thomas Ward

15:52

that doesn't mean that we dictate the policies for i.e. U&L which is one of the closest sites

Ask Ubuntu is unique compared to other sites

we're closely linked to Ubuntu and Canonical, almost as a niche site

in terms of things being migrated to us the only stuff I see comes from U&L primarily

Journeyman Geek

dictate, naw.

Thomas Ward

and @terdon has been a mod here so listens well

influence maybe but that's not our concern with Ask Ubuntu

Journeyman Geek

but we might end up getting your spill over and or someone might use that as a precedent for rules changes

Thomas Ward

@JourneymanGeek how is this different than when we say "Ask Ubuntu no longer supports an EOL release" and someone goes to U&L to post their post where they don't follow that policy?

that problem is a perpetual and "always has existed" problem.

Journeyman Geek

Exactly!

Thomas Ward

15:54

so basically

you're saying that you want to address the current status-quo situation

... which has been this way since the dawn of Ask Ubuntu.

Journeyman Geek

Or if there's a change in rules, or otherwise, someone might bring it up on SU for various reasons as "they did that"

or U&L

and some of the other 'niche' sites might have similar rules - there's a few other distro specific ones

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Q: Policy Change Proposal: "End of Standard Support" for ESM releases is effectively the "Not Supported" date for a release on Ask Ubuntu

This is a proposal for adjusting a policy. The Community at large should vote on this change and determine whether or not they are in support of it. This is as simple as upvoting or downvoting the question - however answers are appreciated to vice your viewpoint, there are "Yes, I support the p...

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David

Looks like I got the first up vote :)

Payel Senapati

16:28

@David congrats

Thomas Ward

@David make sure to voe "yes" or "no" onthe relevant answers too

because CS Cameron is complaining about voters, etc. on answers in his thread being "the reviewers who blindly vote on moderator posts as plus" I've made to actual 'ballot' boxes.

terdon

16:58

@AskUbuntuMeta Woah. You're channeling your inner Eliah there, @ThomasWard!

Thanks!

Thomas Ward

@terdon or my pure unadulterated rage into civil discussion mechanisms

terdon

heh

Thomas Ward

since I"ve been on the Community Council I've gotten better at policy writing and stuff.

but i also stole that from my dad the lawyer ;)

InheritedTrait: Civil Argumentative Writing

terdon

:)

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