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Fabby

00:00

Am I making sense now??? @WinEunuuchs2Unix

WinEunuuchs2Unix

That was just an example (don't take it literally) of how you can change the gmail message subject in your cron daily backup script when you revise it.

Fabby

Well, with partial information, you get partial answers.

Garbage in, garbage out

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Fabby The point of the project is to convert dailies into weeklies, monthlies and yearlies. The point of the project isn't to give up :P

Yeah I know about GIGO and Foo Bar too :P

Fabby

So if you want to prune, prune weekly, monthy and yearly.

You could keep 2 weeks of dailys, though if this is personal, I don't see why you would...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I will be pruning Weeklies, Monthlies and Yearlies. But first they have to be created from pruned Dailies :)

Fabby

00:02

Yup: so prune weekly, monthly and yearly.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I have screenshot set for 28 dailies but user can easily change.

I have 12 weeklies defined but I wonder if it should be 16 or 20 instead?

Or even 52 for that matter

Fabby

OK, so if 28 daylies: prune daily.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

yeah cron will run daily

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No, as that would make you run into the monthlies and totally mess up everything!

For the monthly: prune monthly

for the yearly: prune yearly

so 3 prune jobs

Am I making sense now?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

A given backup would be daily, plus potentially future weekly, monthly or yearly as screenshot above shows.

No one super job that does everything :)

Fabby

00:05

33 mins ago, by WinEunuuchs2Unix

WinEunuuchs2Unix

yup that one

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Nope: KISS: Keep it Simply Stupid.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

If I was KISS I wouldn't be here :)

Fabby

It will be iof you have 3 prune jobs.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

people at work say I'm crazy writing software for points :P

Fabby

00:06

or one job with 3 functions, or ...

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I don't doubt you're bat-shit crazy!

So am I!

:D :D :D

I would:

Days to keep: Max=31

Weeks to keep: Max=24

WinEunuuchs2Unix

The user can put in any number of days or weeks they want.

Also don't forget there are 5 years of sent messages taking up 15 GB space quota in gmail.com so there are tagging algorithms for those too. Not to mention promotional messages unread from 2015 on that need to get pruned (trashed) by the program.

Fabby

Years to keep, max=122

WinEunuuchs2Unix

linux problem is date ends in 2032.

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix LONGINT32 does

LONGINT64 doesn't...

:P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Linux doesn't have 64 bit epoch yet???

Fabby

00:10

start using longint64

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Yeah, so what???

Because all the lemmings go over a cliff you need to too???

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I should wait for Linus T to figure it out.

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix No you don't: the answer is obvious: LONGINT64

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I already invented my own date "Rickle" which is number of days after Jan 1, 1900 for ACCPAC Plus. It's a headache.

Fabby

Duh!

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Don't re-invent the wheel, just use LONGINT64!

I used Julians back in the 80s.

they go from -3000 to +3000

That was all we needed for software development...

We never had a Y2K issue!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I should just go text "9999-12-31" is good for another 8 thousand years.

Fabby

00:13

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@WinEunuuchs2Unix That's good too.

Waste of bits, but good too.

:P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Yup I just tell the user 8,000 years is max for a backup.

Fabby

Yup!

you always need maxima.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

If they complain refund them their free software purchase price.

Fabby

Once you define your parameters, you make your job easier.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Starred!

Hey, it's 02:14 here now...

Can I go sleep???

0:-) :P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

yeah man hit the hay. Thanks for chatting it was nice sharing my problem!

Fabby

00:16

:-)

1. define maxima
2. 3 prune jobs / Functions / Procedures ...

Good night!!!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

haha noted. Good night :)

Fabby

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Hey, I just thought of something:

(bear with me)

If a user has 4 weeklies, he can have 11 monthlys.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

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Fabby

If a user has 8 weeklies, he can only have 10 monthlies

16W = 8M

52W (the max) = 0M, 1 Y

so you just decrease the monthly value by 1 for each INT(W/')

same with dailies...

WinEunuuchs2Unix

chronologically weeks should be longer than days, months should be longer than weeks and years should be longer than months. I should put that rule in the software.

Fabby

00:24

How about that for a genius solution???

Yay!

And now: Good night!

(smoking on the toilet does help!)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

good night

Fabby

@YufenyuyVeyehDider Good night to you too!

Yufenyuy Veyeh Dider

@Fabby, good night!

Fabby

And keep up the good work!!!

Yufenyuy Veyeh Dider

Thanks, @Fabby.

Zanna

00:31

@dessert I was well chuffed to get a gold badge all of a sudden. That badge seems like a winter hat they decided was worth making permanent haha

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WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Zanna You must have a ton of golds :)

I was thinking today of a query of all users with accepted answers with fewest upvotes. I might get a badge for that :P

Yufenyuy Veyeh Dider

Me too... I'm sure about that.

Good night to everyone!

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karel

05:50

I need one more reopen vote from a reviewer to reopen this question which has an accepted answer and was closed as due to a software bug, however no such software bug was reported by anyone. One reviiewer such he "guessed that it is a bug". We don't close questions with accepted answers because someone guessed that it was a bug even though it isn't and he guessed wrong.

Byte Commander

07:26

^ done

karel

Thanks. 🙂

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Fabby

13:30

@YufenyuyVeyehDider Approved! Much better!!!

;-)

Vivek Sharma

13:46

yes

Fabby

Ah, sorry!

Let's decamp to another (more private room)

Vivek Sharma

Sure

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Yufenyuy Veyeh Dider

15:27

@Fabby Thanks, I'll try to improve again.

Fabby

Cool!

4 more reopen votes needed as OP has an answer ready to be posted...

(see revision history)

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Fabby

15:56

@Rinzwind can you please star the 4 more reopen voted needed above?

TY

Kulfy

16:37

@Fabby Although I've also casted my reopen vote but I think that question was indeed off-topic. Also, OP has an answer is not a good excuse for reopening an off-topic question. Educate me if I'm wrong here :-)

Fabby

A question without an answer is a lost question.

A question with an answer will help someone else down the line.

But that is my personal and subjective opinion.

@Kulfy Feel free to disagree with me and retract your reopen vote, but I'm pretty sure it will make OP a happier person and anyone finding his answer a happier person too.

It's not B&W, but 50 shades of grey...

Kulfy

16:54

@Fabby Oh no no. If OP is happy, I'll be happy. If this makes AU more welcoming and help future readers of Ubuntu with Cinnamon desktop too, I have no objections.

:)

Fabby

E.G. I run Nemo (just Nemo, not the entire Cinnamon Desktop)

Kulfy

@Fabby I don't know about Nemo. If it works, I'm OK with that :-)

Videonauth

17:34

Must Read: Ubuntu Confirms It’s Dropping All 32-bit Support Going Forward

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Rinzwind

17:57

@Videonauth I posted that a couple of hours ago :=D

but nobody cared :-)

@Fabby I already have it seems :=)

Videonauth

@Rinzwind I think it was an inevitable step, but completely dropping multiarch will make Ubuntu unsuitable for gamers like me

as wine, steam and so much mor rely heavily on 32 bit libs

Rinzwind

yeah the last survey on this has 32bit listed as less than 1%(?)

Videonauth

how can i count lines in a bash output?

Rinzwind

wc -l
counts lines

Videonauth

on my system i have 232 packages for the i386 arch

out of 4000+ packages

Well in the worst case there are other OS options tho

Rinzwind

18:03

hmmm what command did you use

Videonauth

dpkg -l | grep i386 | wc -l

Rinzwind

49

all but 1 are libs

Videonauth

232 / 3568 packages

Rinzwind

so that will fix itself

Videonauth

yeah here too most are libs

Rinzwind

18:04

gcc

is the other one

Videonauth

paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZDDr6PfqcC

But to be honest Canonical is already since a few years pursuing more the server and IoT market as the desktop OS market

so this decision was easy to foresee

Fabby

18:46

dpkg -l | grep i386 | wc -l
2/2509

Videonauth

well install steam and see that number going up by a lot :D and wine as well add's onto it

Fabby

dpkg -l | grep i386
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ii  syslinux-legacy                               2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu8                                        amd64        Bootloader for Linux/i386 using MS-DOS floppies

Seth

19:07

This is interesting:

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We don't have any tags that would really fit this.

Since we nuked desktop for being misused.

Videonauth

@Seth how about desktop-environment

Seth

hm, probably best to just tag it gnome then.

desktop-environments is for non-specific questions.

Videonauth

yeah the new gnome desktop has removed the desktop icons completely, what i still can not understand

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WinEunuuchs2Unix

22:57

@Seth How about <tag>desktop-icons</tag>

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