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Fabby

00:28

@Rinzwind Holy cow!

Nathan Osman

02:56

This is hilarious.

Seth

haha, yep.

lol

Nathan Osman

06:15

2

Lolwut

Videonauth

07:41

@NathanOsman and not true at all, winzip is very much bought all over the planet

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Q: Running Windows alongside Linux

I recently installed Ubuntu on a 30 GiB partition on my computer. I did that a couple of times already and I didn't expect it to go differently, but I run into an issue I can't get over. I just can't run my Windows from GRUB. If I switch the boot order in my UEFI bootloader it runs well, but when...

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Q: There is something wrong with backslash ("\") behaviour in comments

I was writing comment to the question(about Samba, so it uses UNC with backslashes). The source code of my comment: On Linux you should use `//` instead of `\\`. On Windows you should use only `\\`. My idea was to determine full share name from Nautilus - for example `smb://host_name_or_ip/shar...

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RolandiXor

09:46

@Fabby it would be a tricky legal area in my country, plus, I'm not completely sold on cryptocurrency. I'd like to get a PayPal account, but that's going to be a hurdle to get over for other reasons.

Either way, I'm honoured by the vote of confidence!

It's a much needed boost, like you'll never know! Thanks!

@NathanOsman you'd be advised to upgrade immediately.

Changes include:

‮

Fabby

@RolandiXor I'm always happy when I make other people happy.

0:-)

RolandiXor

@Fabby ^_^

I'm heading to bed shortly (yes, it's morning here lol), but if anyone's interested, I've been doing some work on my CSS framework (shameless plug lol): rolandixor.pro/anole

I'd like to try creating a matching GTK theme some day

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Q: How to add Firebug Lite on Ubuntu 18.04? 403 Forbidden!

I want to add Firebug Lite to my Chrome browser on Ubuntu 18.04. But it does not work as I hoped How to solve this?

ubuntu chrome

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Q: No clipboard support with X11forwarding?

I've successfully setup X11forwarding from Linux to Mac. Now I'm able to run Thunar and get a window locally. But the clipboard is not shared between the Thunar window and Mac computer. Any ideas?

ubuntu x11 macintosh

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Q: Can't run startx from X11forwarding

I'm trying to run the whole XFCE desktop remotely. I have a Mac computer and a remote linux physical server (but no video card). X11forwarding is already working, I can do ssh -X -C user@host, run Thunar and get a local Thunar window. But if I do startx in the SSH command prompt, I got the foll...

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Q: Should abbreviations and acronyms be discouraged?

Sometimes, a question is not clear simply because it contains an abbreviation or acronym that a reader doesn't understand. I wonder if the instructions should encourage the definition of these things in the body of the question. There are experts in some fields that may get some of these abbrevi...

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Q: Ubunto upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10 got stuck in "Removing xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 (3:14.1)"

I'm in the process of upgrading from Ubuntu 18.04 LTE to Ubuntu 18.10. I've started do-release-upgrade from inside a GNOME Terminal window. It made some progress but now got stuck in Removing xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 (3:14.1). How can I make progress from here on?

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Q: Which packages are installed with the Ubuntu minimal server option?

Which packages are installed with the Ubuntu minimal server option (e.g. on 16.04, Xenial)? Is the minimal server installation congruent with the packages listed in: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-minimal

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Q: Can I connect to my board directly with LAN cable?

I have a nano-pi-m1 board that uses Ubuntu-server OS. I can connect to my board via SSH but I like to know can I connect my board to my laptop directly instead of using a common network(my router)? My laptop has Ubuntu 18.04 on it.

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Q: Delete your own question

I recently posted a question on Askubuntu, I realized later that its answer is obvious and only needs to read the man page of a command. Now I am not sure whether to delete it or let it or just close it.

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Fabby

16:42

Unclear question edited and Reopen votes needed! :-)

Thomas Ward

17:11

@Fabby not anymore they aren't needed

sits on @Fabby's computer

Fabby

Ah, sorry, was watching a movie and chatting to DeReobert!

@ThomasWard Thanks master!

iBug

I just heard that 18.04 will get 10 years of support

instead of 5 years which LTS's previously got

Thomas Ward

where'd you hear that

because the announce was 5 years

i think you're thinking about ESM extensiveness

like 12.04 got

(it's still EOL for the rest of the world)

iBug

try google-ing for "ubuntu 18.04 10 years"

yesterday's news

mobile.serverwatch.com/server-news/…

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Q: Unable to install ubuntu 18.04 and Fedora 29 in my computer

Hi i have Windows 10 and i wanted to install Ubuntu 18.04 in the same disc than windows or in another i don't care about that, the problem is that i tried first with unetbooting cause i didn't have an USB winth no results, now i have ask for an USB and tried another time with unetbooting (but in ...

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Rinzwind

17:22

@iBug not for our version, that is for the companies that pay for it. 12.04 and 14.04 and 16.04 also has 10 years

MikeTheLiar

17:32

Noob question. I'm trying to echo a string and send it to a function. I thought tee was what I wanted but I'm either not doing something write or I just don't understand how tee works (both are possible). I'm finding a bunch of results of sending something to stdout and to a file but not what I'm trying to do. Basically this:

#!/bin/bash

someFunction()
{
    someCommand $1
}

foo="Hello world"
echo "$foo"
someFunction "$foo"

Can I get a hint for what to google to achieve this?

Rinzwind

someFuncton($foo)

MikeTheLiar

echo "$foo" | tee someFunction echo'd it but didn't send it to someFunction

Rinzwind

!/bin/bash

someFunction(foo)
{
someCommand foo
}

foo="Hello world"
someFunction($foo)

MikeTheLiar

Not sure I follow. To clarify: someFunction "$foo" does what I want it to. I just want to echo a string and send it to someFunction in one command

Rinzwind

then I dont understand you >:)

MikeTheLiar

17:40

So here's the actual thing I'm doing:

#!/bin/bash

notify_slack()
{
    msg="{ 'text':'$1' }"
    curl -H "content-Type: application/json" \
        -X POST \
        -d "$msg" \
        hooks.slack.com/services/someID \
         > /dev/null 2>&1
}


echo "tee test" | tee notify_slack

I'm trying to write the command in such a way that it's both sent to stdout and curl'd off to some slack channel

notify_slack "some long complicated string message" works just fine

Rinzwind

if you want notify_slack to accept a variable you put it in between ()

Thomas Ward

he's grabbing it from stdin rinzwind

hence the $1

at least, currently.

Rinzwind

I would do it like this:

#!/bin/bash

notify_slack($foo)
{
msg="{ 'text':'$foo' }"
curl -H "content-Type: application/json" \
-X POST \
-d "$msg" \
https://hooks.slack.com/services/someID \
> /dev/null 2>&1
}

$foo = 'tee test'
notify_slack($foo)

oops

MikeTheLiar

I just noticed that echo "tee test" | tee notify_slack created a file called "notify_slack" with the contents "tee test" so clearly I don't understand how tee works.

Rinzwind

echo "tee test" is send to stdin and rerouted to your tee notify_slack. tee notify_slack creates your file and accepts the 1st tee as input. that's what I make of it >:)

Thomas Ward

17:48

no youi're just not understanding how your function works

functions don't work when you tee to them

MikeTheLiar

Also entirely possible.

Rinzwind

and that was idea ^ :=)

MikeTheLiar

Thomas Ward

@Rinzwind That's not what I hear from SABDFL

he wants to IPO it last I heard

Rinzwind

yes but he also wants to keep in charge >

I read it as: He wants money but nothing to change >:-D

Thomas Ward

17:52

well that part is simple, he can IPO it and then own 51% of the stock shares

voila ownership

Rinzwind

true ;)

1/2 of what IBM pays for fedora would still be 100usd a share

Thomas Ward

@MikeTheLiar whether it's a function or not, you should probably do it in two commands - one to echo the string to stdout and the other to call the Slack call

Rinzwind

ok you take that on ;-) I am going get dinner :D

Thomas Ward

leaves @Rinzwind out to dry

goes and consumes kahlua instead

Fabby

@MikeTheLiar Leave @JourneymanGeek be! ;-)

Journeyman Geek

18:06

@ThomasWard or have a multi class stock, like google does

Fabby

(he has a dog as an avatar so that will make him smile) @MikeTheLiar

Thomas Ward

@JourneymanGeek hm?

Journeyman Geek

@ThomasWard essentially the stock google sells is non voting

so control is still with... well... google's founders

Thomas Ward

ah

i wasn't sure the context of what you were referring to :)

because multiple subjects going on :p

MikeTheLiar

18:57

@ThomasWard KISS, 10-4

Thomas Ward

@MikeTheLiar so your function or your program script can still take in the input

but then do two commands after you have the data

:P

PerlDuck

19:18

I think I was a bit harsh to someone who had questions about rsyslog. :-(

Thomas Ward

how so?

PerlDuck

19:32

In the comments he asked one question after another because he isn't familiar with rsyslog's configuration and eventually I said to RTFM in a roundabout way to him. Now I feel sorry for him because, well, he doesn't know better.

Never mind.

Oh. Hi Zanna.

@Zanna Look at this: askubuntu.com/questions/1093550/…

Zanna

19:58

:)

+1

PerlDuck

:-D

Fabby

20:18

@PerlDuck 1 is male and 0 is female... (Do I need to draw a picture?)

>:-) :P

Anyway, nowadays sex is a bit array instead of a bit.

PerlDuck

@Zanna Fun fact: the German word "Sex" just means "sex", that is: intercourse. Nothing else. It's a "False friend". When you ask someone about "Sex" in German then it's about habit/behaviour/whatever in bed. The German term for "gender" is "Geschlecht" (male/female/other). It's a source of confusion.

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Q: VNC Server - securely forwards to the localhost connection for VNC

I followed this link https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-18-04 and I created the VNC server in my remote VM, started the VNC server in it and pointed to my local machine using the Create an SSH connection on your local computer that secur...

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Zanna

@PerlDuck that's wonderful

dessert

exactly, if you ask me, sex can be anything from awesome to horrible

Zanna

my maths teacher told us that "gender" was a linguistic concept

the context was, we were making a questionnaire

oh because he was also the IT teacher

dessert

20:22

@Zanna he obviously wasn‘t paying attention in biology

PerlDuck

@Fabby LOL. The symbol ♂ shows right away the "maleness". Just look where the arrow points to.

Zanna

I mean, he said we should put on the form sex: male [ ] female [ ]

not gender, because gender was something else entirely

little did I know what a fraught subject this would become to me years later after someone had invented Twitter :)

floppy disk days

PerlDuck

@Zanna A German speaker would wonder about the lack of [] yes, [] no, [] on occasion checkboxes.

Fabby

@PerlDuck :D :D :D

Zanna

hahaha context needed XD

Fabby

20:27

@Zanna Floppy disk or diskette days???

Zanna

@dessert it's a spectrum XD

Fabby

(8 and 5 1/4" or 3 1/2"?)

Zanna

the best thing we did in maths was this simulation of a population of a particular type of bird

this maths teacher (my favourite teacher) was clearly a renaissance person

he wrote the simulation program

and he was very interested in wildlife

Fabby

Not all maths teachers are autistic, narrow-minded SOBs after all! ;-)

@PerlDuck bash question: can you do a:

 sex= [ "$sx" = "male" ];

like in C?

PerlDuck

@Fabby How comes you expect me to be a bash expert? Actually I dislike shell programs and most of what I'm doing when forced to use it is trial-and-error. No Idea. In any programming language I know of this would work. But bash, honestly, isn't a programming language.

I'd think it yields 0 or 1 (if it works at all).

Zanna

20:38

he might have been autistic, but he wasn't narrow minded. I am still trying to pass on his wisdom to my students: don't rely on tricks, understand what is going on and you'll never forget

shells are very strange languages

dessert

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Q: Is bash a programming language?

TL;DR; What are shell scripts? Is it a programming language / is there a programming language we use in shell scripts? disclaimer: a bit offtopic So bash stands for Bourne-again shell. A (Unix) Shell is a command line user interface or maybe one could call it an interpreter (?) So I'm fillin...

bash

> We can say that yes, it is a programming language.

> It's turing complete so you could (theoretically) write any program in Bash.

PerlDuck

As is assembler.

dessert

Sorry to disagree, but bash is a programming language.

PerlDuck

As is assembler.

The guy asking about true or false sex complains about being downvoted. Actually I understand him because the question wasn't that bad (just funny).

Zanna

I'm just going to put this here and walk away

dessert

20:47

@Fabby no, as test only gives a return code. what you could do is

sex=$([ "$sx" = "male" ] && echo 1)

> I tried locate clit but the results are unrelated.

:D

Fabby

@dessert the following commands are all valid bash commands:

look; find; talk; grep; touch; finger; find; flex; unzip; mount; workbone; fsck; yes; gasp; fsck; yes; eject; umount; makeclean; zip; split; done; exit

@Zanna :D

Thanks for having such a great sense of humour!

(and putting up with the likes of me)

Bajiru

Hello! Can anyone help me with my problem? I have Lubuntu 18.04.1 and I want the Xubuntu desktop. I installed the 'xubuntu-desktop' package. Tried to log in with the new desktop and got this error: Unable to load a failsafe session Unable to determine failsafe session name. Possible causes: xfconfd isn't running (D-bus setup problem); environment variable $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set incorrectly (must include "/etc"), or xfce4-session is installed incorrectly.

dessert

@Bajiru did you see the second section of this answer? you may need lxde for any reason…

Bajiru

21:04

@dessert I am checking it out right now

PerlDuck

I'm going off now. ... and bid you a goodnight ;-)

dessert

@Fabby @Zanna @PerlDuck If I know to use my shell fairly well to perform e.g. file operations and sed, awk and vim(script) for text processing, why should I still learn python?

I learned a bit and experimented, but I couldn’t find any everyday task that’s easier with python – what am I missing?

Bajiru

@dessert oops... I did NOT reboot after installing...

dessert

@Bajiru oh, then try that first :)

Bajiru

Hang on, because I am on Windows now.

Zanna

21:08

@dessert idk about python... it's nice and readable? :) even sed is readable when you know it though right?

PerlDuck

@dessert Depends on your needs. If you read data from a file, want to put it into a proper data structure (dictioniaries of arrays of dictioniaries) and then want to re-arrange the data, then you're lost in bash.

Zanna

Eliah Kagan gave me the best reason to learn a programming language

dessert

@PerlDuck sounds like an awk task

PerlDuck

:-P

Bajiru

@Zanna Can you tell me that reason?

dessert

21:10

;)

Bajiru

Just out of curiosity

dessert

@Bajiru I think that’s the joke

Zanna

I was just looking for what he wrote

but it's very long :)

Bajiru

Oh, OK then

Zanna

it starts here

and ends here

dessert

21:11

there are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don’t

Bajiru

This is REALLY long...

Zanna

the message before the last one has the reason

in brief haha

@dessert but you only mentioned two types!!!

Bajiru

@Zanna Which is your favourite programming language?

Zanna

I don't know any programming languages

except maybe sed, a little

dessert

@Zanna you know bash! :D

Zanna

21:13

a little

Bajiru

OK, I thought after reading all this that you knew even one programming language

Zanna

but Bash is slow and inefficient

Bajiru

True

Zanna

and Eliah says, learn to use languages that use less energy

because energy is scarce and must be used carefully

well, I am paraphrasing of course

dessert

@Zanna that’s a suprisingly convincing argument oO

Bajiru

21:15

I wanted to create a script (in Bash) which created some images using dd and it was a mess at best

Zanna

:)

Bajiru

The if statements were nothing like we are used to

Zanna

haha yeah, shells are strange compared to other languages

Bajiru

Particularly because I am used to the Python & C-like statements

Zanna

but because I mostly use Bash and little utilities like sed, to me the way Bash works is perfectly sensible and ordinary

Bajiru

21:16

If you are used to it, it's OK

Zanna

hahaha yeah

Bajiru

If you are not, it looks pretty daunting

Zanna

my brother is a developer; he also finds shell language bizarre

@dessert yes, to me it is :)

Bajiru

Anyway, what you were discussing about intercourse earlier? <D

(<D = smiley face with tear drop, like in anime)

dessert

intercourse! that’s the variable name we searched for!

Zanna

21:19

this is my favourite answer about the inefficiency of Bash being used for the wrong task

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Bajiru

Like clit as a command in the terminal?

Zanna

I'm going to sleep now :)

Bajiru

@Zanna Good night!

Zanna

good night :)

Bajiru

I'm leaving too, going to test the desktop

Bye

dessert

21:22

@Bajiru that is real: packages.ubuntu.com/…

Bajiru

Hooray! The reboot worked

dessert

nice :)

Bajiru

I now have the full Xubuntu desktop

TheWanderer

23:20

@Zanna I took a closer look at that vegan "report card" and it's by PETA, so yeah....

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