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00:21
@lazyPower u still around?
 
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01:38
@jrg you there?
jrg
jrg
@ChanHoSuh yes
i only ever install chrome that way
yeah, so it might work for some, but I can see it might not work sometimes... did you check out that other question?
in the other question, the OP seems to be following that approach, but he gets some dependency error
jrg
jrg
yeah, i see.
i'm trying to figure out whats going on
installing chrome will add the PPA anyway, and I'm willing to bet that's surefire (at least I can't see why that would fail, and that's the way I've done it)
jrg
jrg
Well you are installing chrome with wget-the-deb-and-dpkg-i-it
01:42
right, I get that, but see my above comment. I didn't research it thoroughly but I did Google for similar issues and other people do seem to have that kind of issue... usually the fix is to explicitly install those dependencies (usually libcurl or something)
jrg
jrg
yeah, which is what strikes me as odd
since it automatically pulls those in for me
maybe your system is set up "better" somehow :-p
jrg
jrg
I was concerned about that, and I tried that on a server vm (so it's completely bare bones) last week, and watched the apt-get install -f stuff - libcurl was listed
weird
or rather, not weird, but it's weird that doesn't work for others
jrg
jrg
might have something to do with a in-place upgrade that went wrong or something
(and I unfortunately don't have the time to test that... :)
01:44
anyway, I'm not going to look into it further, but I thought you might want to at least add to your answer, since it is the accepted one. Then that thread can be the canonical one for that question.
jrg
jrg
I'll add it in, thanks for the heads up
so is there really no list of canonical questions?
each moderator just has his/her own?
jrg
jrg
we have a meta post
so that's it then
Jacob's post
I was going to add to it but I don't want to be redundant if there's a master list somewhere
jrg
jrg
no, that is the 'master list'
01:46
lol... so short
jrg
jrg
i have a personal one based off of the tags i watch, but thats it
why don't you dump in your personal one?
or is it going to be a list of links to your answers? :-D
jrg
jrg
Jacob beat me. ;P
and part of that, yes.
and part of it is outdated, or only for the three weeks that we get hammered by release day
(or the two weeks after UDS where everyone is like OMG UNITY NEEDS UNICORNS (feature requests))
@JorgeCastro - askubuntu.com/questions/138710/juju-native-openstack-support might want to take a look at that.
wow, this is nice. I'm seeing new faces in the suggested edits. :D
hunh, I can change my face too if that makes you happier.
jrg
jrg
lol.
01:51
Wow... I just love how smart Qt Creator is... when I paste indented code, it adjusts the indent to match the current indentation.
Soon it will cook my dinner for me.
but did you give it kitchen privileges?
jrg
jrg
@GeorgeEdison I never paste indented code, and vim already cooks dinner for me - i just use the puppet hook to order my ubuntu microwave to start. zing!
(or, as a real hipster, i use juju. But having witchcraft make me dinner just sounds weird. ;P)
probably a canonical question should be for binding/remapping keys... so many questions like that. not just here but elsewhere
jrg
jrg
each one is different
for example, remapping caps lock to esc - do i want that systemwide, just for say, vim, or emacs, or something else....
I think they can be categorized to make things much less confusing
jrg
jrg
01:55
for something like that, a canonical question would be nice, but it's just not worth the trouble, because there are so many different variables.
well, one major category would be for Unity vs a general X windows environment
jrg
jrg
(i'm not saying it can't be done - i'm just saying i look at that with some... mistrust.)
Or, do I want to remap ctrl-alt-l in gnome to do this, and then also remap it to do something else when i'm using openbox instead of compiz. the list goes on.
anyway, if you want to take a stab at it, go ahead.
it doesn't have to be perfect :-)
jrg
jrg
i'd be glad to bounty it to make sure we get good answers.
most users are happy with only a couple DEs
yeah, I think it's worth a try
I'll write up something
jrg
jrg
02:00
ok, i look forward to tacking a bounty on it. :)
I bountied something for the first time recently... but I think i ended up bounty-ing a bug report...
jrg
jrg
link?
which one, nvidia or apt-cache?
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Q: the apt-get update cache size is too big

dumb906I ran a clean install to Ubuntu 12.04 and so far everything has been working well. I especially commend the Ubuntu team for this release. I only noticed that the size of repository update is now about ~13MB. Normally, it is about this size for the first time you run apt-get update after a clean ...

I mean, this should probably be a bug report... from what I can tell.
jrg
jrg
oh... i can explain that.
The default ubuntu sources.list has everything listed seperately
that's mine
notice how i have the line:
deb http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com.s3.amazonaws.com/ubuntu precise main restricted universe multiverse
I have everything in the same place
since i'm getting from the same server
Fetched 137 kB in 9s (14.8 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
(i'll write an answer tomorrow.)
woah, that's it?
jrg
jrg
02:06
so what they have is 'duplicate entries' in a way
make sense?
kinda
I'll definitely try it out
jrg
jrg
i'll need to do a benchmark, but that's more or less what's going on... i think
you using the Amazon s3, I see
jrg
jrg
anyway, i'm going to bed now.
yes, but it shouldn't make a difference
alright, thanks jrg!
oh, I ws just wondering if it's faster
jrg
jrg
02:12
Well, it is faster. But for the purposes of our discussion, it doesn't.
Since we're talking about a big textfile, not a 300 MB java update.
right. thanks again
jrg
jrg
I hope it works. Just post in here, I'll see it when I wake up. :)
Time to give Lightworks a try.
Lightworks?
02:31
I wish I could figure out how to use it.
you do a lot of video editing?
Not really but I was curious.
Just a verification, is my question here on topic?
Can you answer this? How to highlight buttons in a GTK toolbar http://askubuntu.com/questions/138378/how-to-highlight-buttons-in-a-gtk-toolbar?atw=1 #themes
02:47
Seems on-topic to me.
I'd rewrite the post to be shorter though. There's a TL;DR thing that occurs often on Ask Ubuntu.
02:59
To be what exactly?
Exactly?
It just seemed kind of scattered when I read it. I think a re-edit with an eye to brevity wouldn't hurt.
For example, you can trim out comments like "I assumed that the mere fact that the alternative installer ran was an indication that I could get some sort of graphical interface running after the install." That doesn't add anything. The important thing is you used an alternative installer and now you have this problem.
I would incorporate your notes into the main body.
And it's tempting to jump the gun and ask another question based on the expectation someone is going to solve your problem, but saying something like "If an internet connection is required to download driver support or something similar, directions for how to configure a wireless connection with WPA2-Personal protection from the text-only interface (bash)." just makes your question longer
and it imposes more on the reader. One question at a time is a good approach on this site.
03:24
@jrg it didn't work :-(
 
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05:14
@jrg but using the Amazon s3 mirror seems to cut down the update size to << 1MB. So perhaps something is wrong with the Ubuntu servers.
05:34
Bounty offered: Can global application menu be made to behave better with GIMP? http://askubuntu.com/questions/137103/can-global-application-menu-be-made-to-behave-better-with-gimp?atw=1 #appmenu
guys this answer needs more upboats - askubuntu.com/a/138647/25798
06:01
^--- A screenshot from PE Deconstructor.
@GeorgeEdison what's this used for? PE stand for?
06:21
The Portable Executable (PE) format is a file format for executables, object code and DLLs, used in 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows operating systems. The term "portable" refers to the format's versatility in numerous environments of operating system software architecture. The PE format is a data structure that encapsulates the information necessary for the Windows OS loader to manage the wrapped executable code. This includes dynamic library references for linking, API export and import tables, resource management data and thread-local storage (TLS) data. On NT operating systems, ...
i suppose
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Q: Launcher doesn't appear if I select on for auto-hide

IgorI have 12.04 version. When I select ON option for auto-hide the launcher I can't make it to appear. It doesn't matter what kind of "hot spot" reveal location I select or which reveal sensitivity level I select.

wait what?
06:58
@Mahesh @ChanHoSuh what did you guys do on my meta post?
Lol. What do you mean? Just look at the revision history. :-)
right. i was going to say that was sarcastic, but better not
well, I laughed to see the message :)
what I wonder is if Mahesh was joking.
That was a genuine overlook.
I'm pretty happy my apt-cache fetching issue was resolved... indirectly due to a suggestion by jrg.
he suggested reformatting /etc/apt/sources.list but he posted his file and I saw he used an Amazon S3-backed mirror, and I thought I might as well check that out while I'm at it. So his suggestion about the formatting didn't work, but the mirror did :-/
I've been downloading 12-13MB for each apt-get update since 12.04 alpha
07:13
nice
you don't experience large fetches?
you can disable source sources (if you don't need them). that should speed up update operations as well.
good suggestion. i don't currently download sources.
apparently those fetches can be large too for people experiencing this issue
my suspicion is that it's a problem with archive.ubuntu.com, does anyone here use something like *.archive.ubuntu.com for apt-get?
you shouldn't fetch anything when doing successive updates
in oneiric there was a bug where you'd download the lists over and over again on every update, but afaik that got fixed.
i use archive.ubuntu.com for quantal and i'm not facing such issues
hm... I went from Oneiric to Precise alpha. Maybe that's relevant.
07:17
@ChanHoSuh the local servers were slower.
@htorque, you wouldn't happen to have a link handy to that bug report, do you?
hm, no sorry, but i can look for it
if you want to :-)
fwiw, that's my current sources.list: paste.ubuntu.com/993742
do you think it makes a difference that you are using archive.ubuntu.com rather than us.archive.ubuntu.com?
07:20
maybe - you can give the main servers a try (run gksudo software-properties-gtk → switch to the 'main' server)
does that just replace 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' with 'archive.ubuntu.com' in sources.list?
yeah
lol, everyone's joining in the fun with pasting their apt sources list
I am a noob. Don't mock me.
07:25
I'm not mocking, but you're the third person posting their apt sources list today :-) I thought it was kinda amusing.. we should make that a rite of initiation into this chat room.
Binary package hint: apt I'm using Ubuntu 11.04 dev and if I download the lists with apt-get update their size is ~19,1 MB. But if I make after this again an apt-get update apt tries to download the lists again (sometimes the full 19,1 MB and sometimes sonly a few parts of it). I can make after this infinite apt-get update and I will download again random lists.
apt (Ubuntu)
Undecided / Fix Released
no help
i don't think that was it, but i couldn't find anything else (maybe there was no bug report, just IRC chat)
well, here's a noob question, neither of you have the backports repository added... I thought it was useful.
I dislike backports. They break everything.
i'm on ubuntu+1, so there are no backports :P
And there are no backports for quantal and precise yet
07:28
Aha
gotta go, cya!
but you just suggested that when there are backports for precise, I might regret having it added
laterz, htorque
yeah backports are not fully tested.
i will choose to upgrade than backport
hm, I guess I knew that, but I thought "not fully tested" meant still "mostly tested"
07:30
I don't know. up to you to take it anyway.
i guess I should disable until I find a need for it in any case
If an update is important, it will come through precise-updates.
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A: Launcher doesn't appear if I select on for auto-hide

NirmikWell i faced this problem too...The solution I followed?? I loved the dodge window feature more...I brought it back through compiz... If you also like it or wish to add and use it, do the following- Install CompizConfigurationManager via the SoftwareCenter if you do not have it enter the foll...

How not to downvote such an answer??
Well, if it works, it's at least a workaround
I actually forgot to downvote the question as well.
If you turn on autohide, it [launcher] won't appear at all.
But his problem is making it re-appear.
07:38
Increase the sensitivity bit. You need to make your mouse cursor movement purposeful.
Fair enough. I should get some rep for that question.
Supposedly he has tried the sensitiviting settings, but maybe, as you suggest, he's not using the correct movement. This is one of those things hard to diagnose or explain.
In unity 5.2 RC1: - revealing the launcher by putting mouse on the edge and pushing seems very hard (the distance to push it long). This is even worse on trackpad. Related issue: on multimonitor setup, going from one monitor to the edge suffer from the same issue (you have to push the mouse a lot, more than it felt naturally needed). Especially when you drag a window using the trackpad. Also, when you put your mouse on the central point slowly to go to monitor 2, you get stuck even if you believe that the mouse is already on the monitor 2 (because there is one pixel left on monitor 1 and the whole cursor is drawn on monitor 2) This is on a dell Latitute XT2, with default mouse velocity option.
unity
Critical / Fix Released
wait, that sounds like the other bug.
Interesting, but it says fix released.
I wonder if the OP is updated.
I wonder too.
you can wonder in a comment :-)
07:44
that would make me look like I downvoted the question.
was the question downvoted?
I am considering.
still? lol. That's a lot of thought. :-p
I decided to abstain.
I am considering whether to downvote or not. I am not commenting at all.
hm, that's an important find though
07:47
Which is?
the bug report
ah, finding bug report is as easy as searching emails in Gmail.
I wonder if you intend how that sounds
I find Gmail search a bit flakey.
No, my point is I am getting bug reports as emails.
I triage bugs once in a while.
oh I see
anyway, still important find :)
I'm tempted to post it in a comment, but add that it's from you but you abstain because you might possibly downvote the question :-/
07:49
:P
alright, go ahead and downvote... it'll cancel out my upvote
I don't think I will downvote. Better things to spend my vote on.
you run out of votes a lot?
I am a bit generous with votes.
I'll be more generous with downvotes if only I hit 10k.
I wish people were generous with votes, both up and down
07:52
Somehow I knew you are going to say that.
I wonder how you knew
I wonder too. Sheer luck perhaps?
Did you figure out I'm the one that goes around downvoting every one of your answers? :-p
No, my answers are too awesome to be downvoted.
You can't blame people for trying :-)
07:53
I don't blame you.
I want a free downvote on answers.
But since that won't happen, I want to hit 10k because I want those close vote queue quite desperately.
and then I will do whatever I want with my rep.
I might get a little narcissistic. Don't think about that too much.
Tell me about your story. About how you met Ubuntu and Linux.
Let's gather around the fire and let me tell you the story of how I met Ubuntu :)
It's nothing interesting really.
OK. that is enough of a story.
08:07
I just read your profile.
Ha. Let me add that in college, I knew more than a few computer geeks and they were always fiddling with Linux. That actually discouraged me a bit from using it personally.
Oh? I should stop using Ubuntu.
These were guys who'd argue over dinner about whether BeOS > Linux or whether Emacs > Vi. This was the "old" days. Where if the power went out and Linux died, it would take forever to recover.
I'd visit a friend in his room and he'd say, I upgraded the kernel and I can't get my mouse to work (or something like that).
Two weeks later, he'd still be in his room. Still dealing with that.
08:10
Sounds like the neckbeard story.
Well, you had to be a neckbeard to use Linux back then.
So I never saw the need. But eventually I had to use it anyway.
Most recently, a friend told me about how much easier it is nowadays to install Linux and suggested Ubuntu as the most unlikely to cause problems during installation.
Ahem... I meant "unlikely". Lol.
The funny thing is that he and I had different ideas about what i wanted.
I remembered all the cool things my friends were doing in college, playing with X windows and their console-based programs like mpd.
So I was like, now I can do that without dealing with non-working hardware?! Great!
He was thinking, it'll be like you never left OS X.
08:15
So, when did you take the plunge?
January?
hmm that is pretty recent.
Yep, I'm a noob.
I bow to you, Jokerdino.
later than my own.
I am pretty new to FOSS and Linux and all this stuff.
Barely a year at best.
if you look at it as a percentage of your life thus far, you have a way bigger percentage than me :-)
08:18
1/18.
Surely your linux experience should be bigger.
Well, I'm talking about total time
I've looked at how much time you seem to spend on this site...
oh that?
Unix is just something I had to use to get things done
So even though I do have some years of using it, somehow it's not quite the same as someone really interested in learning Unix intensely.
Fair enough.
I presume you're into that, not just answering people's questions about Unity :-p
08:21
Answering is part of learning. I learn cool things that way.
For example, I never thought about this situation. superuser.com/questions/385176/gedit-session-saver/…
When I found the answer, I was happy for myself because I could use it too.
These sites are great. It's so much easier to access information, particularly that from other people, now.
Even things like videos.
Yeah. SE network seems nice.
I spent years learning magic out of books. And trying to imitate the rare segments on TV that would appear.
Now you can just go on YouTube.
Great answer: How to login into a Ubuntu machine from Windows http://askubuntu.com/questions/136671/how-to-login-into-a-ubuntu-machine-from-windows/136679?atw=1#136679 #server
You are talking about the Internetz
08:26
Yeah, everything -- Wikipedia, Stack Exchange, YouTube ...
Google
That brings me to my last year's TOK presentation.
especially programming stuff
But I won't talk about it.
imagine how annoying it was before you could use Google to find out why some program syntax wasn't working
haha, I can't imagine that.
08:27
TOK?
Is that "Theory of Knowledge" or something else?
Yeah..
I used Google.. :)
I could tell.
you won't talk about it, but you brought it up...
excellent
08:28
that reminds me of a great story
that I won't talk about :-/
but you won't talk about it :)
exactly!
now that reminds of this meta post of yours.
which took forever to understand.
I only get what you mean after almost four months.
08:30
wait, what are you referring to?
you know, that post of yours regarding that event that was planned but never seem to happen?
yeah ok
interesting that you were reminded of that now
i mean, at that point, it didn't really stand out. i don't know if you are bringing up a valid point.
but, now that i read it again, i can make some sense out of it.
well, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly, but my general point is that the SE software is designed to do certain things.
@ChanHoSuh i don't know, i was just looking at your meta profile.
08:32
The people that designed it were familiar with how the Internet was up to that point.
So one problem is trolling and people making a lot of "noise". You want to minimize that and value the real contributions.
yeah true. there is also the problem of spamming.
I believe the SE voting apparatus doesn't work as well for Ask Ubuntu as for Stack Overflow.
you can argue the Ask Ubuntu people are rather cautious about losing 1 rep when downvoting.
So one point I made, which I think is still valid, is that the rep system is set up to make sure only those that have invested something should be able to have privileges.
This makes sense when the topic is something like programming. Because you can have random trolls or idiots stop by to say anything about C or Python or whatever. And everyone thinks they know something, right?
08:36
So the point system is set up so you have to invest some of yourself first before you can start voting.
Does this make sense for a site where everyone has installed a finicky operating system?
Even the most nooby person here has tried, at least once, to install Ubuntu onto a computer. That's a big investment of time and effort.
Do we ever have people who have never dealt with Ubuntu, stopping by to troll us?
we have Unity trolls though :P
Hunh, not sure what those are
Explain?
people who dislike Unity and want to be heard.
alright, that's a good point. There are software advocate types.
and you make a point about the losing 1 rep from downvoting
Somehow the canceling effect of voting doesn't work as well, IMO, if people are reluctant to downvote
there's a net drift upward
when I run across an older question, I seem to find pretty bad answers with several upvotes each
yes, that is a problem. quite dangerous in some cases.
08:42
and when I've tried downvoting obviously wrong or misleading answers here... I find often people cancel it out
but nobody ever ends up upvoting it... some people just didn't like the look of a -1
if several people ended up upvoting the answer, I could understand it, but when it just remains at 0?
Given this upward drift, I think the default bounty mechanism is faulty. It just requires 2 upvotes.
And not enough people know about the mechanism to combat the upward drift for bounty-fied questions.
and you can just game the system.
well, I'm not worried so much of gaming so much as when a bounty-fied question doesn't get any good answers.
if it is not good enough, why is it even upvoted?
08:45
But somebody answers and then gets a couple random upvotes... and it gets the bounty, thereby misleading more people in the future, who will probably upvote it just because the bounty is there.
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From random noise. That's my point.
that happens to me as well. I assume it has to work, since there are so many upvotes.
if it appears to have some kind of useful info, even if not really relevant, it can easily get one upvote, right?
yep, that happens.
So for most questions, it's not a problem. After all, useful info is useful, lol.
So if some questions get upvotes from a general tendency to upvote useful info (even if not relevant), then it's not a real problem.
But for bounty-fied questions that don't actually have any solutions?
2 upvotes?
And most people don't even know two is the lower bound.
So they could easily vote up some answer, not realizing it will get the bounty.
I don't think that many people actually vote here in the site.
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08:48
yeah, I guess that's the other side of the coin.
anyway, I better go, but I'd like to hear about your TOK talk sometime. :)
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Q: Plea to the decentralized sense of opinion - use your vote!

Bruno PereiraAsk Ubuntu, as any other site in the Stack Exchange sites network, works with the help of a rating system. Sometimes its hard for people to understand the importance of a single vote but votes are the base for the site and in truth what makes it work. Up and down voting has huge consequences on ...

@ChanHoSuh oh it is just a PPT somewhere online.
eh... you gonna make me use the Google? Maybe I'll do that sometime, if I remember, lol.
I can't find it now. I'll linkify you when I find it :)
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Q: Hiding files on FTP server

liamI have an Ubuntu server and I run an FTP server on it. I changed its folder structure and want to restrict access of users to some of the files not all of them in a way that other files be hidden to users. How can I do this?

and bye, seems like you are leaving now.
09:03
and i enter
was reading transcripts.
uh oh
You only have 5 more stars. haha
:) great that you figured it out. i was the one who starred those two.
and god says in my dream, stop starring when your stars equal the stars i made.
I don't want to make any comment about that.
and i'm afraid thats more than 5. ;)
lol.
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A: Is there a prefix that indicates that an event recurs four times a year?

jokerdinoThis is not exactly a prefix but the word does indeed refer to an event that occurs four times a year. And the word is "Quarterly".

09:07
if we are the only two talking here, and you have some time to spare, shall we enter TGLH?
One answer that got me massive upvotes.
Invite me to that room. I am too lazy
lol, that made me laugh.
that q&A
:P
I don't know how I got so many upvotes.
random-upvotes, the way it happens everywhere.
09:22
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Q: changing name of some files in bulk

XinHuaIs there a way to make a change in name of some files, for example to append name of each user to files that reside in his home folder that if they moved somewhere can find files of a particular user? I use CentOS 5.5

09:36
@UbuntuQuestionsonUL use 'sed' in combination with ls, and mv. That should do.
 $ for f in * ; do mv "$f" Unix_"$f" ; done
I am not here.
before u ctrlc and ctrlv, modify things as required.
I am a noob.
ok bye now
 $ for f in * ; do mv "$f" $USER_"$f" ; done
bye. :)
and no comments on that noob thing. you are here b4 i was born. (heh, not literally)
jrg
jrg
10:11
@Chan :/ Ok, so you think the main mirrors are broken. Hm.
10:39
Hello all
@jokerdino WTF

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