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Eliah Kagan

00:00

Well I think the key is politeness + a link to show that what you're saying is not just, like, your opinion, man. :)

Seth

what Eliah said :)

Eliah Kagan

01:02

@TheWanderer Maybe each Apple Watch contains a fragment of top-secret analog microfilm that, if all pieced together, reveal Apple's deepest, darkest forthcoming product ideas.

Seth

01:40

You know, the Apple Watch is actually a nice product.

Only smart watch I'd buy outside the pebble 2, which is now dead anyway..

Journeyman Geek

I think my next watch would be an android wear.

(current one is a chinese android fork called ticwear - which only runs on older model ticwatches)

TheWanderer

@Seth Not $1300 nice

Seth

true

TheWanderer

yet again, they're marking up prices even more in Canada

$1299-->$1605, but Apple's selling for $1699

poor Canada

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

02:01

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Q: Setting a default umask permanently

If we create a shared directory, and allow say a root user and a group sharedgroup to the permissions: -rwxrwxr--, and we want every new file to have the permissions -rwxrwxr--, but the permission of the parent directory to be rwxrwxr-w. The way to do this would(what I know) be to set the defaul...

Seth

02:31

@TheWanderer that's hardly a lot of markup. Although it is interesting.

Kaz Wolfe

does anyone here have smarthome experience?

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer Meh, who needs one of those anyway.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth pebble time is still awesome

Seth

02:50

@KazWolfe I kinda want to get a pebble 2, but I'm worried about it losing most of it's features as they shut things down.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth github.com/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge

we're fixing that :)

the vast majority of features are offline, actually

Seth

That and I don't have a constant data connection on my phone so I'm not sure how useful it'd be.

Kaz Wolfe

you'll lose dictation for now, but we're looking for fixes

but yeah. the vast majority of things are offline or don't need a persistent connection

Seth

Well, I doubt dictation would work with my SMS app anyway

Kaz Wolfe

not like that

thats an android thing

it's done through the pebble companion app instead

Seth

02:55

I have a pretty nice regular watch besides.

@KazWolfe I don't understand.

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth dictation works by the watch recording voice, sending it to the app, which submits it to nuance servers.

following that, the pebble app uses an Intent to send a reply through the notification API

if you can quick-reply, you can use dictation in theory

Seth

Oh. That's nice

Of course it doesn't work anymore, but it's nice.

Kaz Wolfe

because gadgetbridge is very Stallman, they want a solution that's completely offline and inhouse

Seth

I wish Fitbit would commit to keeping some of these features working, like this.

Kaz Wolfe

there may eventually be a link into Google's speech-to-text stuff, though. we're trying to add in support for plugins that will add extra features like internet and google stt

this isn't fitbit. this is a bunch of hackers :)

they agreed to keep it working until end-of-year

Seth

02:58

@KazWolfe that's not gonna work well

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth i know

Seth

@KazWolfe yeah I know

Kaz Wolfe

i'm really pissed over their decisions to do that

but oh well.

and that they dont seem to want to publish to play store

because they're trying to use the app as a soap-box to get people to move over and use f-droid

Seth

There's really nothing wrong with publishing to the play store.

Kaz Wolfe

they want a soapbox

Seth

03:00

Using play services is another thing tho

@KazWolfe I know...

Kaz Wolfe

i hate stallmans for exactly this reason

Seth

Eh, having heard Stallman talk in person, while they can be annoying, they do a lot of good.

Kaz Wolfe

same with religion imo

dont force it down on everyone's throat

do whatever you want, dont force the rest.

Seth

That's not really parallel to what I was saying, but yeah

Kaz Wolfe

just my opinion

Seth

03:04

I'd agree with that too

Kaz Wolfe

sure, they (fsf) do good

but they can be a bit... annoying

Seth

Definitely

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

04:30

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Q: Linux command for switching user with password as parameter

I want to write the Linux shell Script that switches the user without asking for password i.e. password can be specified as the parameter. I have my script like this startService.sh sudo su hduser -p mypassword but this is not working can anyone tell how to specify the password in the comma...

shell-script ubuntu

Nathan Osman

"Apple."

Kaz Wolfe

wait. how do they know they're the same password?!

Seth

@KazWolfe this is a good question

Kaz Wolfe

i thought they were supposed to be independently salted+hashed

i mean, i guess your Mac could send your password to Apple servers, which hash with the same salt...

alternatively, your hash+salt for iCloud or something is stored locally.

still seems weird

Seth

@KazWolfe that still wouldn't work unless they're storing the unsalted hash

Nathan Osman

04:37

Hey. That is a good question.

Seth

wait. no. grr.

Nathan Osman

Hmm... I guess all they need is to send the password to iCloud.

But my original question stands - why?

And how can I work around this >:)

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth no, it would work

Nathan Osman

I don't remember seeing this in Sierra so it must be High Sierra specific.

Seth

@KazWolfe yeah I was confused for a second

Kaz Wolfe

04:40

it is dumb no matter what though

it's one of those "forced-security" things that everyone just resents (like requiring a symbol).

Seth

ugh, yeah. One of the government sites I have to use forces you to use a symbol but only allows like 5 of them, none of which are symbols I regularly use.

I mean, I guess it's better than my last cell carrier, who would send me my password in plaintext.

Kaz Wolfe

or better than banks

that require five character passwords (case-insensitive, letters only), no q/z

Nathan Osman

Yeah, one of my banks practically forced me to use dictionary words.

Kaz Wolfe

tfw my steam account is safer than my bank

or my google account, which actually has u2f

Nathan Osman

Yes.

Because 2FA.

I feel really good about my GitHub account. It's protected with a hardware token (U2F device).

Kaz Wolfe

04:46

i'm honestly amazed no banks have 2fa

Nathan Osman

Me too.

Kaz Wolfe

like even sms 2fa

Nathan Osman

Yeah, even that would be better than a dictionary word.

Kaz Wolfe

my own bank's 2fa is a secret question

Nathan Osman

Google Authenticator is a good middle ground between something more secure than SMS and less complex than U2F.

Kaz Wolfe

04:47

yaknow... two of the same factor is useless

Nathan Osman

Yes, lol.

Kaz Wolfe

u2f is pretty simple though

the only issue with adoption is the fact that people need to buy or be issued tokens

i mean, if you have one of those nano yubikeys, it's just pressing another button every now and then

Nathan Osman

I keep a USB extension cable on my desk to make it really easy to plug stuff like that in.

(I keep my Yubikey on a keychain.)

Kaz Wolfe

im sorta excited/waiting for the vivokey

i mean... implanted 2fa.

Nathan Osman

Siri was using Bing for web search results?

Kaz Wolfe

04:55

@NathanOsman well, duh. can't support your competitor.

i'm surprised Apple hasn't bought Yahoo and rebranded it to Apple Search.

Nathan Osman

Yahoo doesn't have the tech to compete with Google.

Kaz Wolfe

and would apple care?

or would they just say "we did it, you'll like it."

Nathan Osman

It has to be good.

Expectations for Apple are high.

Kaz Wolfe

counter: apple music

apple maps

Nathan Osman

Who uses Apple Maps?

Kaz Wolfe

05:02

exactly

well... people who just use the default

Nathan Osman

Hmm... you may have a point there.

Kaz Wolfe

because it's easier

Nathan Osman

"Turn right. Proceed to dock. Travel 3000 miles across the Atlantic Ocean. Turn left."

Why does Foxit Reader always start with the titlebar above the top edge of the screen.

Kaz Wolfe

i wonder if i can change the boot logo on my XPS

probably not

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

05:35

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Q: Linux switch user and execute command immediately

I have a scenario where I have to switch to the different user and after that, I need to execute the some Linux command. my command is something like this ( echo myPassword | sudo -S su hduser ) && bash /usr/local/hadoop/sbin/start-dfs.sh but with this command, I switch to the user and the n...

shell-script ubuntu

Kaz Wolfe

07:29

woo, plymouth is awesome

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Ubuntu Questions on U&L

09:16

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Q: install linux os on lenovo ideapad miix 310

I already tried to install Ubuntu and Mint on my tablet and it almost worked, I just had problems getting auto rotation to work. The main problem is that there appear some kind of striations, e.g. at boot, Ubuntu displays the "Ubuntu" logo and first it looks okay, but like every second there app...

linux ubuntu touch-screen tablet

TheWanderer

11:05

The OnePlus 5 codename is cheeseburger lol

Dɑvïd

11:23

Hey all - here's an oddity, at least to my mind! A question about permissions and LibreOffice has been marked as a duplicate of a question about a corrupted ODT document. I've got the former problem (as it happens). But is this (wrongly marked dupes) worth a Q on Meta? Or can a ♦mod take a look?

FWIW, it looks like the permissions question has "real" duplicate, but it doesn't have a "real" answer, sadly. (In my case, a permanently mounted samba share is no longer working, and the gvfs version isn't good enough for LibO.)

terdon

@Dɑvïd Why is that about permissions? The error doesn't suggest it is a permissions issue and the accepted answer simply suggests using a different program so, again, it can't really be permissions.

TheWanderer

it doesn't really seem like the two questions are about the same thing though

Dɑvïd

@terdon Hmm, yes. Bad use of terms on my part. It's definitely a LibO problem with accessing the file, so not "permissions" per se, since (e.g.) AbiWord can read the file just fine.

@TheWanderer And that's more my point.

It turns out that there's quite a few of the "not-permissions-but-something-like-it" issue. They're all LibO problems, though.

terdon

12:00

I don't have a clear enough opinion on this to make a call. Sorry. They seem like dupes to me, but I don't really use Office tools so. . .

Dɑvïd

12:18

@terdon But (strictly for the banter), here's why I might have picked up the "permissions" terminology -- this is the dialog that pops up after the "General input/output error..." dialog:

FWIW.

terdon

@Dɑvïd Where's that from?

Dɑvïd

@terdon From LibO -- I'm on Ubuntu 17.10, as it happens.

(Unless I misunderstand your question: I just took that screen shot seconds ago.)

terdon

OK. But then how is it relevant to the two questions on the site? Why do you assume they have the same issue you do?

It seems very strange given that the OP's acceptance of the answer suggests it was just a format that libre office couldn't deal with and not a permissions issue at all.

Dɑvïd

@terdon Yeah - it was connected through the "General input/output error" message, but in my case it's something around the difference between mounting samba share in fstab (which will not mount, and cannot be reached) and the gvfs access to the same "share" (which works just fine, except for LibO).

David Foerster

Please VTC as off topic because OP runs Kali Linux: askubuntu.com/q/959356/175814

jrg

12:40

today in "things I didn't think would work" I installed the latest kernel build and my wifi works much better now.

muru

13:02

Ye mods of AU, looks I'm being serial upvoted. It happened yesterday, got reversed and now it's happening again. -.-"

Android Dev

Well Sina is still bolding stuff

askubuntu.com/suggested-edits/124185

I'll fix that one

terdon

@Sina please don't add version tags to questions unless you know 100% that the issue is version specific. They shouldn't be used just to indicate what version the OP is running. Also, please only use code for actual code, not for emphasis and avoid adding random bold text since that makes the post much harder to read. — terdon ♦ 11 secs ago

Android Dev

13:58

@terdon mod-ping? also, NAA

terdon

@AndroidDev No, users who have edited a post can be pinged. But they don't appear in the autocomplete list when you start writing @

Android Dev

oh really? I didn't know that. Good to know though :)

terdon

Yeah, it's mentioned somewhere on meta. I think anyone who's interacted in any way with the post can be pinged. Not sure about people who've accepted edits though.

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On a question, you will receive notifications automatically for comments on the question only, not the answers. One exception is auto generated comments, like closing as duplicate: you will not get notified of such comments. On an answer, you will receive notifications automatically for comm...

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You can use @name syntax anywhere in your comment to reply to a specific user. This will notify that user in their global inbox. There can also be notification through email if you set it up in the preferences found in your profile page. Who can be notified with this feature? The author of th...

Android Dev

gosh, audits are so stupid. They take like 15 seconds to load, so you always know it's an audit!

they need to fix that

Swapnil

Hi, I had downloaded liunx mint 18.2 kde 64-bit. But I had added many mirrors while downloading after world mirror got down so now when I checked checksum, it's fine and make usb bootable It says "error: file 'boot' not find" further it could boot but unable to install it, Installer just bounce and then disappear. Also my prior iso can works fine. So tell me if I need to download iso again. Thanks

terdon

14:11

If the md5sum is correct, the problem is elsewhere.

I suggest you post a question on Unix & Linux (not on Ask Ubuntu), give the exact error and explain exactly how you made the bootable usb.

Swapnil

Yes it is correct.

Thanks I used default app i kde to make bootable.

terdon

@Swapnil We will need more details than that. Find out the name of the app. But first try using another tool. Whatever Mint recommends. Not all tools can work for this and often they work for one distribution but not another.

@Swapnil try some of these:

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Yes it is. Essentially, you need to copy as many installation CDs (ISOs) as you want on to the pendrive and then use a bootloader (such as GRUB) to boot from the one you want. Here are a few of the many programs that can help you set it up: Live USB creator Live USB multiboot unetbootin YUMI ...

Swapnil

But I other iso working while made with same tool. Default kde app is USB Image Writter.

terdon

@Swapnil Same ISO? Same distribution?

Swapnil

Other prior version of same distro but 32-bit.

terdon

14:22

@Swapnil Well, as I said. Try one of the other tools. Not all tools work well for making bootable installation USBs. That ti worked with a different ISO doesn't mean it should work with this one, I'm afraid.

Swapnil

OK but I'll try. I also checked in virtual box it works but getting black screen.

@terdon Thanks for help and your invaluable time.

terdon

You're welcome.

Swapnil

Only one reason for me to not to use Ubuntu cause update manager worse so can I suggest it as feedback to Ubuntu?

Thanks I'll ask regarding this.

user136984

15:55

I just got a weird email with the body as "Gfd Gesendet mit der Bluewin App.", the subject as "Gfd" and from "[email protected]". Well, there may be more in the body, I don't know! I'm not opening that thing! But has anybody had anything else similar?

Stefano Palazzo

you're so paranoid

@ParanoidPanda bluewin.ch is swisscom, the biggest (maybe?) isp in Switzerland

user136984

This still a very suspicious email though.

user136984

I guess someone just has an email account with them and somehow got my email and sent me this spam.

cl-netbox

Hello everybody ! :)

user136984

Honestly though, there's no good reason for them to be sending me anything. I've never had anything to do with them and I'm relatively paranoid with my email address.

Nathan Osman

16:08

o/

cl-netbox

Hi @ParanoidPanda @StefanoPalazzo ! :) Good afternoon ! :)

Stefano Palazzo

you can check if it is actually from them by verifying the spf thingy

hi people :)

user136984

@StefanoPalazzo: I don't trust that thing not to have exploits in it so it's just going in my spam. I certainly never gave them my email address so they have no good reason to be sending me anything.

user136984

Not a reason I've agreed to anyway.

cl-netbox

@StefanoPalazzo How are you doing ? Haven't seen you for some time. Everything alright ? :)

Nathan Osman

16:10

@StefanoPalazzo Hello.

user136984

Really, almost nobody actually knows my email address, so it's very strange that they should have it.

Stefano Palazzo

@ParanoidPanda you could download the email and look at the raw body

cl-netbox

@ParanoidPanda Hey, it could have been that you clicked on something while being signed in with your mail account - right ? :D

user136984

@StefanoPalazzo: I don't really want to go to all that trouble just for one email I shouldn't have been sent in the first place, either someone gave them my email address or it's just spam spoofing or something. Either way, it's not got anything to do with me, so I'll just discard it.

user136984

@cl-netbox: Clicked on what? Where? I've never heard of anything on Google that will randomly sign you up to random ISPs' mailing lists.

user136984

16:14

The message body wasn't even in English.

Stefano Palazzo

@cl-netbox yeah I'm great, thanks for asking :)

I'm just about to leave the office after a long day :)

cl-netbox

@StefanoPalazzo Nice to read this ! :)

@StefanoPalazzo Enjoy the evening then ! :)

Stefano Palazzo

thanks (:

cl-netbox

You're welcome ! :)

Android Dev

16:35

holy smokes! Intel's new Core i9 chip eats 600+ watts when running at 4.1Ghz... well there goes the "AMDs use more power" right out the window...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: Installation problem while installing aquasim3d

I have installed all the requirements for aquasim3d, wxGTK-2.8, GTK-2.0 and NVIDIA drivers and other things required, all the files successfully compiled without problem, but while make it is showing undefined reference for all the functions already there in include directory. Here is the small ...

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Android Dev

and someone OCed to like 6Ghz on L2N and it was using upwards of one killowatt!

That's 83 amps on the 12v rail!

Even the most power hungry graphics card ever, the AMD R9 295X2, which used 500 watts uses less power than that CPU

Granted, it beats Threadripper by like 10%, but...

cc @NathanOsman chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/40217456#40217456

how did the VRMs not explode?

Nathan Osman

No idea.

Android Dev

Overclocked Core i9-7980XE hits 6.1GHz and pulls 1000 watts

Intel i9-7980XE BEYOND 6 GHz (en)

►

Seth

16:56

noooooooooooooo

James Veitch in a wix commercial D:

TheWanderer

rip

in the end, all the popscis sell out

@AndroidDev to be fair, AMD has Ryzen, which is more comparable to the i7, no?

we just have to give them some time

wtf

the OP5 has a $150 markup in Canada

jrg

17:13

I know that hardware recommendations are off-topic for the site... so I'll ask here.

Does anyone know of a wireless card that is physically identical to this intel but supports linux and doesn't have all sorts of weird issues?

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth Well Wix is the best way to make a site guaranteed! /s

Android Dev

@TheWanderer But as I said before the i9 draws more power than even the top end Threadripper, though the i9 does have 2 more cores

@jrg I've had bad experiences with Intel's wifi cards even on Windows. For example, my AGN6305 or whatever it is drops the 2.4Ghz connection at random intervals.

jrg

@AndroidDev I finally figured out a likely root cause for my issues

community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/…

intel claims its not their fault, unifi claims its not theirs, nobody tries to fix it

except that upgrading drivers fixes it

(but only on windows)

Android Dev

sigh

Realtek wireless NICs seem to work well on linux

Kaz Wolfe

also, yay. updated my wolf bootloader to 4k because why not

Android Dev

17:26

@KazWolfe you wrote your own bootloader?

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev well, sorry. boot screen

plymouth thingy

Android Dev

ah

Kaz Wolfe

askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/758887 @DavidFoerster -_-

Seth

@AndroidDev Huh, never had problems with Intel. Did have problems with my Realtek lol

Android Dev

@KazWolfe ugh, sina just keeps doing it! cc @terdon

Seth

17:29

link?

Kaz Wolfe

see review above

Android Dev

1 min ago, by Kaz Wolfe

https://askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/758887 @DavidFoerster -_-

Kaz Wolfe

(which david should have caught)

here's another though @Seth: askubuntu.com/posts/959554/revisions

Seth

indeed

now I need to find the meta about bolding..

Kaz Wolfe

also the meta about random code format please :)

Seth

17:32

hey, looky :P

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Q: Proper use of Bold and Italic text in posts?

I would like to make this post to specify "proper" methods of bolding/italicizing text in questions and answers to keep the site clean and easy-to-read. Partially based off of my other question on bolding. If you have a preferred method of bolding and italicizing text in posts, please add it...

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Android Dev

lol

Kaz Wolfe

askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/758841

o.O

Did the auto spam-in-review actually work for once?!

2

This is a first.

Android Dev

hahaha

VTDed

Kaz Wolfe

It's gonna be nuked very soon

It has a few spam flags against it.

terdon

@Sina In case you missed my comment, please don't add version tags to questions unless you know 100% that the issue is version specific. They shouldn't be used just to indicate what version the OP is running. Also, please only use code for actual code, not for emphasis and avoid adding random bold text since that makes the post much harder to read. That said, thanks for reviewing!

Kaz Wolfe

17:37

@Seth and that led to two (actually) good questions.

https://meta.askubuntu.com/q/11899/208574
https://meta.askubuntu.com/q/89/208574

Seth

@KazWolfe I know. Just a little teasing ;)

Kaz Wolfe

back when i was still an idiot

5

wait...

also, easiest audit ever

Android Dev

17:53

@KazWolfe it says, "question not found" for me

Kaz Wolfe

you're not 10k

Android Dev

:\

only 769 repz to go

Kaz Wolfe

i actually need to get to 25k one day

Android Dev

O_o

what's at 25k?

idr

Seth

analytics

Sina

17:55

@terdon I've read your comment,and replay it,but get no answer!so i delete the replay!

Android Dev

18:06

0

Q: Can we burninate [prompt]?

I don't see much point of the prompt tag, and it only has ~100 questions tagged with it. Shall we burninate it?

discussion burnination-request

Ask Ubuntu Meta

18:18

0

Q: Can we burninate [prompt]?

I don't see much point of the prompt tag, and it only has ~100 questions tagged with it. Shall we burninate it? P.S. Let's also nuke lag

discussion burnination-request

Nathan Osman

What - the Play Console doesn't include logcat output?

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman yes it does

Nathan Osman

Where?

I can't find it.

TheWanderer

18:38

Click a crash

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer Still not seeing it ---^

TheWanderer

the stacktrace is your logcat

Nathan Osman

No, it doesn't include logcat output.

(Anything from Log.i(), Log.e(), etc.)

TheWanderer

19:07

ohhhhh

no that doesn't exist

why would it?

Android Dev

because reasons, duh :P

Nathan Osman

19:27

I have it in my mind that it used to exist.

Nathan Osman

20:08

@GeorgetheDev is pcmanfm.sourceforge.net down?

George the Dev

@NathanOsman pcmanfm.sourceforge.net appears to be down

Nathan Osman

K.

It's not just me then.

TheWanderer

20:19

rip

user136984

21:08

Ahh! Run for the hills! @GeorgetheDev is taking over again!

Nathan Osman

Wow, are all SourceForge project sites down?

@GeorgetheDev is libexif.sourceforge.net down?

George the Dev

@NathanOsman libexif.sourceforge.net appears to be down

Nathan Osman

Yup.

That's pretty lame.

user136984

@Nathan: Now I see who is the puppet master. >:P

Nathan Osman

sourceforge.net/error-404.html

Aha.

> "The sourceforge.net website is temporarily in static offline mode. Only a very limited set of project pages are available until the main website returns to service."

user136984

21:16

Is there a list of commands that he responds to or is it just from you?

user136984

21:33

This is a weird question:

user136984

0

Q: How to Compile HTML and JavaScript App into .deb File on Ubuntu?

I want to make a Debian file out of my HTML and JavaScript webapp so that I can run it on Ubuntu.

html javascript

Nathan Osman

21:59

Twitter just doubled the character limit for tweets to 280

2

Byte Commander

Ugh... more space for Donald ಠ_ಠ

Thomas Ward

@NathanOsman can they do the opposite for Trump though

we really need his tweet space reduced.

Nathan Osman

@ThomasWard Lol, good point.

user136984

It really shows something about the world now if the President has to talk to it through Twitter to get through, or can at least have enough support through Twitter silliness to actually win an election! :D

user136984

Hillary should have used Twitter more.

user136984

22:07

Maybe she would have got in if she posted some nudes on Instagram too. :P

user136984

Sorry, that's a little bit weird. :D

user136984

I'm trying to show how silly the world is now, not how weird I am. :D

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman yay

user136984

Anyway

user136984

Goodnight folks! :)

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23:58

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Q: Glitch on profile page with dropdowns

The next privilege button on the profile page shows through the three drop-downs on the top. I tend to start my browsing at this page then check my inbox so I see it every visit.

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