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Avery

02:01

oh right

no systemd no discord...

#worth...?

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@j0h Aren't there any Google forums on the internet?

Nathan Osman

@Avery Why on earth does Discord need systemd?

Kaz Wolfe

aweomeness attracts awesomeness

Avery

@NathanOsman proprietary software loves terrible software.

(that's mostly me memeing, but it's not running anyways)

Nathan Osman

That's lame.

Avery

02:06

p.ave.zone/tuwuzelupo.pl

j0h

google forums for command line linux? IDK maybe

Kaz Wolfe

you know, i have a pretty big project now that would be 100% impossible without systemd.

(or extremely hard)

fortunately, systemd's awesome dependency management is awesome and makes my life infinitely easier.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe I love the way unit files work. Don't get me wrong.

That's the best thing going for systemd.

And I would even like it if that was the only thing it did.

But that isn't even close to true.

Kaz Wolfe

that's pretty much all systemd does...

Seth

ha. ha. ha. ha.

ha. ha. ha.

Kaz Wolfe

02:12

Oh, what else does systemd do?

clarification: what else does systemd do that isn't just named systemd-* and can easily be replaced by pretty much any other program?

Seth

consoled, journald, networkd, udevd, timedated, logind etc.

pretty much none of that should exist.

Avery

I might install systemd on freebsd

so I can run systemd-analyze and brag about my boot time

Seth

ಠ_ಠ

Kaz Wolfe

You can use whatever timedate provider you don't want. I'm pretty sure systemd-timedated isn't that heavily tied into the platform.

Avery

In other news YAY for compiling atom on a 1 core 2gb ram virtual machine

Kaz Wolfe

02:18

also, NetworkManager can still pretty much replace networkd.

Avery

NetworkManager > rest

Kaz Wolfe

you can even probably get rid of logind

i'm pretty sure the only thing on that list that is actually something tied into systemd and not just a program under the systemd "brand" is journald

Nathan Osman

Yay, binary logs!

Woo! \o/

</sarcasm>

Avery

@KazWolfe dood I'm running a whole OS without systemd right now

ZERO systemd

like free, absolutely free of that redhat botnet

Nathan Osman

Remember when systemd accidentally wiped directories on your PC?

Avery

02:21

So it's definitely possible

Kaz Wolfe

i do agree, binary logs are annoying for diagnostics at times, but better field logging is definitely good

and ties in much better to things like logstash

Nathan Osman

*cough* JSON *cough*

Kaz Wolfe

and allows indexing without a lot of the standard text overhead.

Avery

> Error: Atom does not build properly on node v7+. node v7.8.0 is installed.

I WANT TO SLEEP DAMMIT

time.is/EEST

Kaz Wolfe

while json is nice, it's problematic because we're storing self-describing data, which can be annoying and a waste at times.

Nathan Osman

02:23

@KazWolfe As opposed to a binary format that nobody can read without decoding?

Kaz Wolfe

it's really trading off human readability for different structures and a more database-like format.

Nathan Osman

If space is a problem, just gzip old files. JSON compresses very well.

Avery

oh god no

I need to compile node js too

Kaz Wolfe

exactly.

why compress things when you can just store them in an already efficient format?

Android Dev

@NathanOsman My apologies, that took much longer than expected.

Nathan Osman

02:24

@Avery FreeBSD doesn't give you binary packages of Node?

@AndroidDev No worries.

Android Dev

So, where were we?

Avery

It does, but it's on node 7

I need 6

Nathan Osman

@Avery Oh-oh.

@AndroidDev So much happened I forgot :P

Seth

power died for ~30 seconds

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer said something about a leak?

@Seth You should see what the sky looks like up here.

Avery

02:25

freebsd.org/cgi/…

;-;

Nathan Osman

Storm warnings and everything.

It's only 7:30 and the sky is a scary dark grey.

Avery

best part? I'll probably nuke the install in a couple days

Nathan Osman

Pew pew...

Seth

@NathanOsman I'm north of the storm warnings here, but we got lightning bolts. They all left as soon as I got the camera out though :/

Android Dev

@Seth You lost power or Nathan lost power?

Nathan Osman

02:26

I haven't lost power.

Seth

I did. Briefly.

Nathan Osman

Yet.

Seth

But Nathan and I live close enough that we share the same weather systems most of the time :P

Avery

p.ave.zone/udinuholec.sql (dammit hastebin stop giving random extensions)

Nathan Osman

I have a laptop and 3G connection I can use in case of failure.

But I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Seth

02:27

Which is ironic because it's a minimum of 200 miles

Kaz Wolfe

in fact, it's probably even easier to parse journald logs because of indexing and the like. JSON you have to iterate through to parse.

Nathan Osman

I have a render taking place on my Mini I don't want interrupted.

Seth

@NathanOsman probably not the best time for that lol

Android Dev

Ok, scrolling back you were wondering what was causing the mem leak @NathanOsman?

Nathan Osman

@Seth I started it four days ago.

How was I supposed to know we'd get this today.

@AndroidDev Yes.

Android Dev

02:30

@NathanOsman --^

Seth

@NathanOsman this was in the weather predictions longer than 4 days ago :P

but yeah, I forgot renders can take that long. Especially on a ~~mini~~ potato.

:P

Nathan Osman

Especially when it's a 240-frame animation being rendered in 16-bit color at DCI 4K.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman O_O Maybe you should take a look at us.rebusfarm.net/en

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev oh, that's in your code.

@AndroidDev Interesting...

@AndroidDev Or maybe not. According to their calculator, it would cost me $60.72 USD to render my scene.

As opposed to doing it for free on my hardware over six days.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman How long does each frame take on your Mac Mini?

Nathan Osman

02:36

45 minutes.

Android Dev

What CPU do you have?

Nathan Osman

AMD A8-5600K on my desktop. The Mini has an i5.

It's a late 2014 Mini IIRC.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Okay so anyways, did you and @TheWanderer come up with a work around for the hacky way I was resawning the activity?

Nathan Osman

Interestingly, it takes about 10 minutes on my desktop with GPU rendering.

But. Only on Windows - can't use my GPU for rendering on Linux.

Android Dev

:/

Nathan Osman

02:40

@AndroidDev I'm not sure if we figured anything out.

Android Dev

Get another GPU and do passthough?

Nathan Osman

I might have to just try some things and see what happens.

Android Dev

Well you shouldn't have to spend time fixing my code...

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev I could do that but I don't know if I can physically fit another one in the case.

I have an AMD APU, so there is actually an integrated chip.

But my PC resets after a few seconds if they are both enabled.

Android Dev

Time for BIOS hacking :D

Just kidding :)

Nathan Osman

02:43

Yeah, no - that's beyond my abilities.

...and patience.

Avery

oh right

Android Dev

The only I'd try a custom BIOS was if I had a gigabyte board with the two different NAND chips so you really can't brick it

Avery

Anyone else read libreboot's apology?

Nathan Osman

I think I did.

^--- preview of the render so far.

(Obviously not at full resolution or speed.)

There's a full-resolution image of one of the frames.

...or not.

Looks like imgur resized it.

>.<

Seth

imgur does that

Nathan Osman

02:56

It's annoying.

Seth

indeed.

flickr ftw

Nathan Osman

They say "must be under 2MB" so I make sure it is.

Seth

pity flickr is a yahoo! product.

Nathan Osman

And then they resize it anyway :|

@Seth Yeah.

I am on Flickr though.

qms.li/f

Seth

@NathanOsman I follow you :P

Instagram is ok too, but that's a FB product. bleh.

Nathan Osman

02:58

Exactly.

Flickr's uploader is a bit wonky sometimes.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman - So want me to just make it show a toast saying that the change will take effect after returning to the main screen of the application?

Nathan Osman

That should be fine for now.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Hmm, actually, it's letting me do this:

getActivity().recreate();

I'm sure I tried that before!

But wouldn't that have the same memory leak problem @NathanOsman?

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev I'm not sure.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Well you know what, you're doing the same call only a few lines earlier, so I'll just with it it.

Avery

03:19

Q: How do you tell if someone uses FreeBSD?
A: They will tell you.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Okay, well here's the source code updated with the dark theme and pre-MM permissions patch :)

Nathan Osman

03:37

@Avery Someone already did that joke with arch.

Apr 23 at 13:27, by jokerdino

Q: How do you tell if someone uses Arch?
A: They will tell you.

@AndroidDev Thanks!

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Any other UI features I could work on for you? I don't really know anything about your actual file transfer API, so I don't know that I'd be of much help there.

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev I can't think of anything else at the moment.

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Okay. BTW, looks like someone wrote an article about Nitroshare :) tecmint.com/nitroshare-share-files-between-linux-ubuntu-windows

Nathan Osman

04:40

This is a bit too expensive for me.

Seth

@NathanOsman programming horror story: devrant.io/rants/570241/…

I don't know how else to describe that.

Nathan Osman

That is terrifying.

So much "You're Doing It Wrong" I don't even know where to start.

If I was an investor and saw that, I'd be dropping my stock faster than a hot potato.

Seth

It game my stomach quite a turn.

Nathan Osman

04:58

@Seth To say nothing of the assault to my eyes.

Seth

@NathanOsman echo 'yes';

Avery

06:32

@NathanOsman yes, that's what I referenced to

Takkat

07:54

Had a weird encounter yesterday when I installed Ubuntu on a super-fast PCIe SSD. Installer completed in less than 5 minutes.

edwinksl

impressive

Nathan Osman

I should get one of those.

Takkat

08:21

yeah - great fun.

Sadly it is not for me but for my sister's new PC.

Journeyman Geek

oh M.2?

those things are crazy

Takkat

08:37

They're too small to believe their powers they have.

Takkat

09:01

TheWanderer

09:41

Such a weird install history

Nathan Osman

10:11

I have found a new favorite video:

The Definitive 11Foot8 Bridge Crash Compilation

►

That is so satisfying to watch :P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

^^^ When something big and heavy meets something bigger and heavier

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Q: PostgreSQL Ubuntu 16.04

I installed PostgreSQL under Ubuntu 16.04 and want to work with a database postgis_in_action. I logged into the database and created a schema and two tables. I'd like to work with pgadminIII and so tried to connect to my database. The error is the following: <12:09:24: Fehler: Error connecting ...

Rinzwind

10:50

@NathanOsman oh man. We have a bridge here that is higher going in and lower going out the other end. That's had some fun moments too in the past. Truckers all confident going in only to wreck it all in the middle of the pass :D

craftxbox

11:28

ello

TheWanderer

olle

craftxbox

leol

TheWanderer

loel

craftxbox

olel

restoring windez rn

Rinzwind

12:54

@NathanOsman just in our news: http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/nieuws/buitenland/28102607/__Trucker_veroorzaakt_chaos__.html
Dont bother with the text; the video is what matters

That dude walking there :XX

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

14:53

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Q: How to run a script in Sudo and automatically fill in my password

I have Bash for windows (linux subsystem) and I'm in the process of creating some powershell scripts (just for fun) for apps I run on Linux so I can just launch them from my desktop. It is all virtualized and offline so I'm really not looking for a lecture in security as I already know the ins a...

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Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

15:08

Good meowning chat !

nobody in yet ?

Journeyman Geek

lol

about to switch pcs/go to bed

Rinzwind

yo

cl-netbox

15:31

Hello :)

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Hi Sergiy ! :)

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Just came in ... :)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@cl-netbox ah, good morning

@Rinzwind morning ! I'm about to steal your bounty on that TTY question

@JourneymanGeek yeah, that never works well for me, I stay on my computer until the "Oh, sh!t" o'clock

Journeyman Geek

lol

I do do that

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

brb, need to reboot. I bricked something

Rinzwind

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy dont care about bounties :=)(

cl-netbox

15:47

Rinzy ! :)

Rinzwind

ha and I got the badges on it @SergiyKolodyazhnyy

boxy!

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

16:12

@Rinzwind Same here, I'm answering based on badges and what interests me nowadays

I really want that bash gold

sigh . . . Ok, back to verilog

SmokeDetector

16:34

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Ubuntu Server on IBM x3200 m3 by fdfdfdfd on askubuntu.com

TheWanderer

well that's dumb

there's no way to check if a broadcast receiver is registered

62

Q: super.onCreate(savedInstanceState);

Being a newbie, I have very basic question: I have created an Android Application Project in Eclipse, in MainActivity.java > onCreate() it is calling super.onCreate(savedInstanceState). Can anyone explain what is the purpose of above line?

android instance super oncreate

very helpful Q&A

Thomas Ward

16:52

^ this is relevant.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:07

Because lasors

excuse my frustration , but . ..

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

I am so STOOOOOOOOOOOPED

I've spent hours trying to figure out why does my code not transition to 3rd state . . .well guess what ? It was, but because I declared my state as 1-bit value, the binary 011 value was being truncated down to just 1

Kaz Wolfe

installing packet tracer on linux is just pure pain

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@KazWolfe Which one ?

Kaz Wolfe

cisco's ccna training tool

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

why not just use wireshark ?

Kaz Wolfe

packet tracer simulates networks

i can't do that without equipment

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:19

Ah, ok

also . . . god i feel stupid right now

i literally headdesked

my code was working all along, but i didn't declare proper array like a noob

Kaz Wolfe

seriously... the installer provides no desktop file, no icon support, nothing.

meaning you need to hack all of that together.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@KazWolfe so basicaly building everything from a makefile ?

Kaz Wolfe

they give you the binary blob

but that's it

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

17:39

Well, my sequence detector module works. Hooray for that. Now I need to get to working on the elevator part

craftxbox

17:52

you may think this is not relevant to ubuntu

but my windows install is screwed

the mft died

when gparted shrank a part

and now 1: i have no windows and 2: i have no ubuntu

i boot to nothing at all

just a blinking cursor

Kaz Wolfe

are you running on UEFI or legacy

craftxbox

legacy

ubuntu part is okay

Kaz Wolfe

as for windows, chkdsk from recovery drive there. Linux's ntfs tools are pretty disappointing.

craftxbox

the mft for the windows part is the one thats ded

terdon

@craftxbox Try to avoid vulgarity here, please.

Rinzwind

17:56

OT askubuntu.com/questions/912279/…

Kaz Wolfe

still, grub reinstall, fsck on linux just for safety. not sure if mft recovery is even possible, let me double check

Rinzwind

@craftxbox please don't state the obvious >:-D

craftxbox

chkdsk doesnt seem to want to recover mft

Kaz Wolfe

recovery windows + chkdsk a few times would be your best (actually, only) bet.

the mft should have a mirror -- if both of those are broken, something is very very wrong

Byte Commander

There should be an MFT mirror file on NTFS...

yeah, what he said.

blame slow wifi

craftxbox

17:59

chkdsk cant "recover the mft" apparently

is there any way to rebuild it?

Byte Commander

not really

The MFT is the Master File Table.

It's a list of all files you have and stores where they are located.

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