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WinEunuuchs2Unix

15:00

So it's a 3 decade habit of mine :)

terdon

3 decades ago, most things took more than a second :P

WinEunuuchs2Unix

No we used batch end of day processing for long running stuff.

also called nightly updates.

plus everything was text based so a screen was 2k characters not 1920x1080x32 bit color.

terdon

May I suggest simply using something like printf "." instead of fiddling with a fancy progress bar then? You still show it's working, but its much simpler. So, either do something like :

 while whatever; do printf '.'; done; printf '\n'

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Yes I saw that printf example, but my bash script has no terminal unless you call it from there... it's called from the desktop and uses GUI unless you are testing. Wget uses the [######...........] progress display but I'm piping that through yad too.

terdon

Or ptrint a fancier yet simple animated thingie like:

while : ; do printf '|'; sleep 1; printf '\r/'; sleep 1; printf '\r-'; sleep 1; printf '\r\\'; sleep 1; printf '\r'; sleep 1; done

WinEunuuchs2Unix

15:05

^^^ There is tons of code in Stack Exchange for doing progress bars in terminal like that. The \r is cool for backing up over the same line :)

terdon

symbols=("|" "/" "-" "\\")
while : ; do for s in "${symbols[@]}"; do printf '\r%s' "$s"; sleep 0.3; done; done

WinEunuuchs2Unix

^^^ The spinning text pizza :D I wrote my own before seeing that for the systray indicator updated from bash... Mine has more lines of code though as I was still learning sigh

Is there a size limit on bash arrays?

terdon

I don't think so. But there is if you try to pass a ling array as a list of arguments. You will hit the ARG_MAX limit.

By the way, here's how to print that spinning thing until the last command launched in the background finishes:

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I just googled the limit is 1.3 GB.

terdon

symbols=("|" "/" "-" "\\")
sleep 20 &
while [ -d /proc/$! ]; do for s in "${symbols[@]}"; do printf '\r%s' "$s"; sleep 0.3; done; done; echo ""

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Oh. Huh, OK. Well that should be more than enough. You'd be crazy to work with GB of data in a bash array. It will be slow as a glacier.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

15:10

@terdon The array will only have a couple hundred file names and linked AU answer ID's.

Here's that text spinning pizza in Ubuntu's systray with an animated gif to see it in action: askubuntu.com/questions/837078/…

terdon

"only" :) But yeah, OK. Bash will be able to handle that in its slow, cumbersome, ponderous way.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@terdon After I "grow up" I'll rewrite it in SQL and C...hehe

terdon

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Heh, nice :)

@WinEunuuchs2Unix OK, no need to go overboard either :)

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I do want to learn SQL in a couple of years though... porting existing bash apps are probably the best way for me.

terdon

I would strongly urge you to learn a middle way, a "normal" scripting language. Things like perl, python, ruby, go etc.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

15:14

bash is the common denominator that everyone has to learn though.

what you type in the terminal.... you type it almost exactly (if not exactly) the same way in bash.

vendors provide driver install scripts in bash....

I don't mean to be argumentative but for whatever reasons in my mind it's important to learn bash.

terdon

Oh it is, of course it is!

And bash (shell in general) is extremely useful and absolutely the right tool if your script's job is to run various other commands. All I'm saying is that it isn't the right tool when it comes to more complex programs where the real work is done by the program you are writing and not by external tools that it calls.

I very often start writing something in bash, then figure out it's more complex than anticipated and switch to another language.

L. D. James

@WinEunuuchs2Unix I agree with @terdon. It's good and important to learn bash... using it for quick tasks are good, but there is important programming functionality that comes with one of the other languages that is important to become familiar with.

Later you can add some of those concepts to your bash scripts.

terdon

To give a very simple example:

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@TheWanderer nope. Is whitefish same as tilapia ?

L. D. James

Not learning some of the power of the other languages will leave some void in programming understanding if you limit yourself to bash.

terdon

15:21

$ echo $(( 10 / 3 ))
3
$ perl -le 'print 10 /3 '
3.33333333333333
$ python -c 'print(10 / 3)'
3.3333333333333335

TheWanderer

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy no

go buy some

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

k. is it good ?

terdon

@L.D.James I think he knows what real tools can do:

23 mins ago, by WinEunuuchs2Unix

In mainframe programming classes (in college) they said anything that takes longer than 1 second requires a message.

TheWanderer

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy very

L. D. James

Sorry... I didn't read the whole log. I was responding on the part where you suggested programming Languages, and I thought he said he would just sick to bash.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

15:24

@L.D.James absolutely true. It's all about stepping out of comfort zone and dealing with the unfamiliar.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@L.D.James After becoming comfortable with bash I was planning on relearning C for application development in Linux. I know Python would be easier than C but that's my current long term plan.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@WinEunuuchs2Unix do both, c and Python. There's a lot of cross over and API in Python that draw on power of C tools

L. D. James

It's good to have a favorite language and know it inside and out. By the way, one of my first languages was C... I'm quiet self taught... I have a little problems with C++... most of my C++ programs have lots of C, whereas it should be replaced with C++.

terdon

Well, ideally, you'd need all three. Many things are too complex to be worth the effort in bash yet too simple to be worth the effort of C. Those tend to be trivial or very easy in the mid-level dedicated scripting languages like perl, python, ruby etc, extremely hard or impossible in bash and perfectly possible but far more complex than necessary in C.

L. D. James

I'm not sure which one is best to start out with... C or C++... what do you think of being the first one between, C and C++, @terdon ?

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

15:28

yep, and writing gtk stuff in Python is far easier than C

WinEunuuchs2Unix

I see C (sorry for rhymes) as necessary for writing the libraries stuff like .GetCustomerName (...), AddRecord (...), .CheckWifi (...), etc. Then those libraries can be called from Python???

L. D. James

My last and most recent language is Python. I like it and should have started it earlier.

terdon

@L.D.James I don't really know either well enough to have an opinion. I do know that Linux itself is written in C and not C++ and that C is easier. It is also the one the rest are based on so I would guess C would be a better start point, but I really don't know.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

@L.D.James start with C. Object oriented nature of C++ takes a bit of time to grasp

Thomas Ward

@KazWolfe Yes I can but later I am busy right now

terdon

15:29

Nov 2 '15 at 23:51, by terdon

My C-fu is pitifu.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

lol

Thomas Ward

@terdon C++ is closer to Java in ease of coding. C you have to do memory allocation yourself

WinEunuuchs2Unix

How can you remember to dig stuff up that's 18 months old??? Your memory is better than my 2TB's of combined drives.

terdon

@ThomasWard Oh, C++ doesn't need that?

@WinEunuuchs2Unix There's a search function in chat :) And "C-fu" doesn't appear very often.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

anybody wanna put the last vote ? askubuntu.com/q/899353/295286

WinEunuuchs2Unix

15:31

I couldn't remember saying "C-fu" 18 months ago... I have a hard time remember what I typed in chat last night.

terdon

@WinEunuuchs2Unix Well, yeah, but I was inordinately pleased with myself with that pun, so it stuck.

L. D. James

@ThomasWard You're right about C++ being substantially easier than C once you understand the structure... which isn't hard to learn when you realize it different from C.

The strings and libraries are extremely powerful and easy to use.

Thomas Ward

@terdon it can do dynamic allocation like java and python do without needing to define memory constraints itself for variables and malloc and such. Part of the core IIRC but you can do it if you want to.

TheWanderer

NBC wtf

popup ads?

Thomas Ward

@L.D.James This

L. D. James

15:37

Some people preach against using and IDE... but I believe working without a good IDE is like trying to use a hammer and pliers for most of your jobs in handy man, rather than acquiring a good set of tools.

My favorite IDE (even for Bash) is Eclipse... what do some of you use?

terdon

@ThomasWard Cool. I hate the maloc stuff I had to wade though in C.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

Anyway I sharpened my teeth on IBM JCL (Job Control Language), IBM OS/400 and IBM DOS batch files and I just think BASH is wonderful in comparison. BASH is also light years ahead!

terdon

@L.D.James Emacs. Of course.

L. D. James

@ThomasWard Your "this" doesn't have a link.

Emacs is my default text editor.

TheWanderer

block this domain if you go to nbc.com nbc.com/generetic/generated/generetic-responsive.js?v2.34.43

L. D. James

15:41

@terdon That's probably why you rarely use C.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

malloc is always important... your job needs to gracefully exit from memory full situations too before DOOM kills your app in a way that corrupts stuff.

L. D. James

@ThomasWard Figured out your "this" link... I use the reply option often... but missed it this time.

@WinEunuuchs2Unix That is what is Terden is saying is automatically done in C++.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@L.D.James Oh sorry missed that part... I was toggling back and forth between mainboard where I was posting a question.

L. D. James

@terdon I use Eclipse for everything. Just recently I started using it for editing my Questions and Answers for SE.

terdon

I use emacs for everything :)

L. D. James

15:49

The Eclipse markdown preview in my Eclipse settings has one annoyance... I can't figure out how to make the Markdown Live Preview automatically update without switching from the editor where I'm typing. I've been meaning to get around to ask some of the Guru's on SE if it's possible.

terdon

@L.D.James No, I don't use C because I don't really know it and don't like it at all. Emacs is an IDE if you set it up to be one.

L. D. James

Does Emacs have a Live Markdown Preview?

terdon

Of course.

At least, I know it can do that for LaTeX (show the compiled doc) so I'm sure it can do it for markdown.

L. D. James

I was typing, asking you for a link to how to set it up.

terdon

Unless you're looking for this:

16

Q: How can I use the SE flavor of Markdown in emacs?

I would like to use the SE flavor of markdown in my emacs. The default Markdown mode has some features (backticks and indentation mark code, # makes a header and > also changes the font) but I would also like to have: * to make a list item, including indentation. [foo](http://example.com) to sh...

L. D. James

15:51

Are you reading my mind?

terdon

:)

Seth

0

A: Problem installing Spotify on LXDE - E: Unable to locate package spotify-client

Well, you could try making your CPU 64-bit compatable, but I wouldn't reccomend it as you are new to the system, and it may damage your CPU. If you have a samartphone or tablet, i think you should just play it on that... if not.... you really can't.

wat

4

Bhargav Rao

Hi, needed some help on a few deleted posts.

jokerdino

Yep

Bhargav Rao

Oh, @jokerdino you here! I'll ping ya there.

terdon

15:57

@L.D.James you might also enjoy these extensions:

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/edit-with-emacs/…

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text

jokerdino

I am here, I am there.

Bhargav Rao

@jokerdino New titanic song. Here, There, Where evaar you were!

L. D. James

Thanks! I added it.

lewis4u

16:33

Helou guys and girls

anyone using openbox ???

i am trying to install it on ubuntu server

i need to understand something, when i install openbox then i need to install xorg or xinit???

what is the difference?

Seth

@lewis4u yes you do

@lewis4u xorg is the display server. openbox is just a window manager that sits on top of the display server. xinit is several scripts that allow you to manually start xorg.

lewis4u

16:56

what do i need to configure to get into gui right away on boot

Rinzwind

I installed 17.04 quicker than the boat race lasted :=D

lewis4u

@Seth what do i need to configure to get into gui right away on boot

Seth

that I don't know off the top of my head. If you install openbox and it doesn't work after a reboot feel free to ask a question on Ask Ubuntu.

Rinzwind

@lewis4u what do you mean? auto-login? That is a setting at the user settings.

lewis4u

yes that

where do i configure that

Rinzwind

17:01

eh openbox or unity?

Seth

oh auto login?

lewis4u

in which file

openbox

Rinzwind

file. oh that is a good one D:

TheWanderer

SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM

Thomas Ward

@L.D.James I don't use that as links all the time Sometimes I use that as a general "This is right" pointer

Rinzwind

17:02

/etc/slim.conf

auto_login yes

lewis4u

i don't have that file

this is what i have inside /etc pastebin.com/vL53HAhx

L. D. James

@ThomasWard Thanks. I usually don't either. Just on special occasions, especially if there are a number of topics going at the same time, or the original content has scrolled off the page. I referenced it just to acknowledge I found your meaning.

Rinzwind

17:22

17.04 some good things: booting is 0.03 seconds quicker than 16.10 for me.
Nautilus caching works out of the box (I see icons for video files).

hmm is there a openbox.conf somewhere? >:)
there must be a conf file :P

lewis4u

yes there is...just a sec

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

Eggscited , so eggscited

Hi, my name is Sergiy, and i am excitement from script ideas addict

@TheWanderer shouldb be " hue hue hue hue hue "

lewis4u

@Rinzwind in /usr/bin there is openbox-session and openbox file

and in /etc/xdg/openbox

there are 4 files autostart, environment, menu.xml and rc.xml

Jacob Vlijm

17:53

Flub (ran out of blub)

Kaz Wolfe

@ThomasWard ty tommy, but i got it working. used the jre swap idea somewhere in the thread.

everything is perfect

Ask Ubuntu Meta

-1

Q: How to download GAUPOL source, missing URI

Here's the Output of the terminal, what can an User do about a GUI without the code? When you are doing a subtitle for a video you need to deal with the content so this proves they don't want us to produce content. So we cannot deal with public opinion. IS that a trouble or a solution? user@ubun...

discussion bug

TheWanderer

18:09

@AskUbuntuMeta userDepth again

Kaz Wolfe

sigh

TheWanderer

I both love and hate wireless ADB

Bhargav Rao

Oh, damn. Forgot that I was in a public room.

TheWanderer

xposed

Kaz Wolfe

@BhargavRao nah, this is pretty common for this room, actually.

we have mods talk crap about users all the time.

TheWanderer

18:12

yeah, have you met @ThomasWard?

Bhargav Rao

Oh damn, that's a bit awkward to me. I usually don't pin point voting or users in chat rooms

@TheWanderer thaaaat guy. Yes.

TheWanderer

we'll bring you over to the dark side in no time

Kaz Wolfe

Well, the rule with thomas is he talks crap about the good users to mask the talking crap about bad users.

Bhargav Rao

Nah, you can't do that. I bet :p

Kaz Wolfe

He only means one of the two, lol

Bhargav Rao

18:13

Woah. That's some next level idea.

Kaz Wolfe

cc @ThomasWard

Bhargav Rao

Where's he? That slacker.

Kaz Wolfe

you're getting the hang of it! :D

TheWanderer

slacking on Slack

Bhargav Rao

Lol, I guess.

Kaz Wolfe

18:52

holy crap.

i almost just destroyed my system.

TheWanderer

noice

Kaz Wolfe

sudo chown -R kazwolfe:kazwolfe /.

(trying to redo my home folder perms, sudo gedit does weird things)

i'm so glad sudo asked me for my password...

TheWanderer

hue

Mateo

19:09

Wow, this multitouch thing works out of box on ubuntu

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe therefore I prefer to write it as sudo chown -R $USER: ~

Jacob Vlijm

Another one asking for acceptance, yuck. askubuntu.com/a/899522/72216

Obada Diab

hi guys,
any one know how to prevent udp flooding using iptables ??

Thomas Ward

19:27

@BhargavRao With my girlfriend, thank you very much.

tosses @BhargavRao into /dev/null

Bhargav Rao

Oh you've unlocked the girlfriend privilege? Congrats!

Thomas Ward

@KazWolfe OK, there's a "delete these three files" trick using the bundled JRE without a downgrade, it works fine and actually better. A few Python 2 regressions in pyCharm they're going to work on but eh

@BhargavRao I've had that unlocked for several months. Where the heck have you been that you don't know this lol

Bhargav Rao

Are these kinda answers welcome on AU? askubuntu.com/a/899530/671840

@ThomasWard Hah, I joined the site just yesterday, to flag answers :D

Thomas Ward

@BhargavRao Refresh the page and ask yourself the question

Bhargav Rao

Awesome, that brings the 9th NAA of the day, out of 9 detections.

Jacob Vlijm

19:38

Did he run into a lamppost or something? meta.askubuntu.com/questions/15339/…

TheWanderer

yes

Kaz Wolfe

20:03

@BhargavRao What's the rep requirement for that?

Bhargav Rao

@KazWolfe just a small ♦ on AU. Ask @ThomasWard to be sure.

Kaz Wolfe

damn it

Bhargav Rao

IKR, It's too hard.

Kaz Wolfe

well, there. i have another reason to run for au mod.

cc @ThomasWard, if i can get a confirmation of rep requirement for girlfriend privilege, that would be great.

Bhargav Rao

Become a mod, it's fun.

Kaz Wolfe

20:11

@BhargavRao well, it's not my choice whether i become one or not. the community needs to elect me.

Thomas Ward

@KazWolfe It depends on the girl. I have full privs in this case though

Kaz Wolfe

@ThomasWard so... 25k rep?

Bhargav Rao

@KazWolfe That's true. You've got 40/40 candidate score?

Kaz Wolfe

@BhargavRao got it last week.

Thomas Ward

@KazWolfe nope, that's not full privs.

Bhargav Rao

20:12

(Also not sure about elections here, but those on SO need that)

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander is also a 40/40er

@BhargavRao Not a requirement here, Thomas isn't anywhere near it iirc

Bhargav Rao

Then both your chances are high

Kaz Wolfe

nor is seth

@ThomasWard but you don't have CM

Thomas Ward

@BhargavRao I had what 38 or 39 out of 40 when I ran. And ~24-26k I think it was.

tosses @KazWolfe into /dev/null again because he is too tired to have this discussion

Kaz Wolfe

wait, can you even dd things into devnull?

nope.

Bhargav Rao

20:14

@KazWolfe it's not a requirement on SO as well. But the users value that a lot. At the end of the primaries, the top 6 were: 40 40 40 39 39 39

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe I be pinged?

Kaz Wolfe

or you can but it doesn't affect anything.

Bhargav Rao

@ThomasWard I ran at 22k and won. Ed was at 21k. (Undo ended up 5th at 16k and was pulled up)

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander Yeah, you're another 40/40 score

I think the minimum here is 30 or something?

Byte Commander

we have a minimum?

Kaz Wolfe

20:16

@ThomasWard I know a great place in Irvine, CA that makes amazing espresso.

Byte Commander

don't think so

Kaz Wolfe

As in, immediately wake up quality.

@ByteCommander Soft limit. I don't think anyone less than 30 has been elected.

Byte Commander

k

Is there a specific reason this topic came up?

Do you guys know something I don't?

Kaz Wolfe

no, we're just talking about getting mod in order to get the girlfriend privilege.

Bhargav Rao

@ByteCommander Yes, I know the color of my laptop, you don't. Muhahahaha

Kaz Wolfe

20:17

@BhargavRao Black?

Byte Commander

That one is still missing in my achievements as well...

Bhargav Rao

Near by.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman should actually run next election if he wants AU mod. He'd probably get it in a flash.

Bhargav Rao

It took jos only 2yrs 2 months on site to become a mod on SO, took Undo 3 tries (was pulled in the 4th). (Andy is still to become, 3 tries as well). It needs some perseverance

Kaz Wolfe

@BhargavRao Yeah, I honestly don't expect to be elected. It'll be shocking if I do somehow.

I wanted to hit 40/40 before running anyways.

Bhargav Rao

20:21

I didn't expect to be as well. Came in second. 22k rep, 2yrs on site. But I had reached 40/40 when I was an year old.

Kaz Wolfe

though we seem ok with the current mod team of 12, I don't think we'll get another election until 2018 anyways.

Bhargav Rao

We've got 22, we're managing to pull along. Never know when the queue will shoot up.

Kaz Wolfe

well, SO is massive.

Ask Ubuntu is a blip compared to Stack Overflow.

Bhargav Rao

Yep. 2500 flags per day

@KazWolfe I think the 2nd largest tech site. (Reason why @terdon asked me to start out NAA detection projects with AU instead of U&L)

Kaz Wolfe

I would ping tommy and ask, but he gets cranky without his nap

yeah, i think being mod would be fun, though.

Especially to me. I like this management/ops style work and destroying questions with extreme prejudice.

Bhargav Rao

20:27

@Kaz, then I might be needing your help for one of my automation projects! :)

Kaz Wolfe

for NAA detection?

Bhargav Rao

Yes

Kaz Wolfe

i have some stuff for bad-question detection going, actually.

but sure, let me know if you want something. i'm almost always here

Bhargav Rao

@KazWolfe There's Fire Alarm which does that and with quite a good accuracy.

Kaz Wolfe

(or if i'm not, i'll be here within 2 hours, unless i'm asleep)

Bhargav Rao

20:31

Check FA out stackapps.com/questions/7183/…

@KazWolfe Nah. I'll be needing you all tomo. It's 2AM here and don't want to push stuff to the server.

Kaz Wolfe

ah, i should be at my machine all day after i wake up

Bhargav Rao

That's awesome, I'll catch ya tomo.

I gotta leave, the mod queue is waiting for me. Cya tomo

Kaz Wolfe

alrighty, have fun

Kaz Wolfe

20:57

there aren't many pretty desktop clients for ubuntu...

thunderbird is pretty ugly...

Fabby

@NathanOsman Happy birthday? (or too late?)

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe but it works and does its job

I'm ok with it

Fabby

Zurück in Bayern!

:) :) :)

Byte Commander

Wecome back then?

Where have you been?

Fabby

Yep... after a month back "ex-home"

Kaz Wolfe

21:06

@ByteCommander still, it's a very old interface and is very much like WinXP's email solution.

Fabby

@KazWolfe Ever tried Evolution?

Byte Commander

I find it more intuitive than the new Outlook

Fabby

Back to the 90s

Kaz Wolfe

@Fabby yes, i hate it even more.

Fabby

@KazWolfe Do love.... Never hate...

:D

Kaz Wolfe

21:07

what if i love to hate?

Fabby

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering...

So stop fearing and embrace the light side! ;-)

I don't even use the "I hate ..."

Kaz Wolfe

But the dark side has power beyond one's wildest dreams, and just as much ability to use the light side's abilities.

Byte Commander

Did you become a Buddhist?

Kaz Wolfe

And with power, you control fear.

Fabby

@ByteCommander According to local Bavarian law I have the religion "none"

(Though I tried "agnostic")

Kaz Wolfe

21:11

People do not respond to love and kindness. They can just ignore it.

Fabby

@KazWolfe Remind me to shoot you in the head (twice) when I meet you!

:D :D :D

Byte Commander

@Fabby "paper is patient" we like to say here

Fabby

;-) ;-) ;-)

Kaz Wolfe

But with power, you command respect and response because of people's own self-interest.

Fabby

I've been a Director before and wielded power...

... and let me tell you: power does corrupt and that's why I never want te be promoted beyond Manager any more...

@KazWolfe How old are you?

(decade is fine)

(I need a smoke: BRB)

Kaz Wolfe

21:16

20s

There's a difference between having power and using it properly, and letting it control you.

In other words, if you show restraint, you'll be fine.

user136984

Goodnight! :)

Fabby

@ParanoidPanda Pumpkin!!!! :D

@KazWolfe Believe me: power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...

If you want to help people, stick to being a Supervisor or at the max: a Manager....

If you want to use people: don't worry about above...

Kaz Wolfe

One of my jobs is social engineering.

Also, we all use each other. Every one of us

Fabby

And look at my avatar: I'm one of the ancient ones...

Kaz Wolfe

You can't get away from using people.

Fabby

21:25

to rephrase an intelligent person: "If you're in Marketing: please, shoot yourself. No, I'm serious shoot yourself!"

Kaz Wolfe

Computer Engineering, sorry. But everyone uses people.

Fabby

@KazWolfe Yes, you can: your personal freedom goes as far as whether it impinges on the freedom of someone else....

Kaz Wolfe

When I answer one of your SE questions, I'm using you to get reputation. When you use my answer, you're using me for your own gain.

100% of all actions someone takes is self-beneficial.

Fabby

And we both win!

Nope...

Kaz Wolfe

Yes. Every action someone takes is really for their own gain one way or another.

Fabby

21:27

When I answer one of your questions, I'm not 100% it's going to help you

Kaz Wolfe

But it's still beneficial to you when you answer one of my questions.

Fabby

Look for some of my answers including the phrase "Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news"

Kaz Wolfe

You either get reputation, or you get a warm fuzzy feeling for helping someone.

Or if you believe in karma, you gain a bit of positive karma. Either way, all actions are self-beneficial.

Fabby

@KazWolfe I get a warm fuzzy feeling of giving you my best....

@KazWolfe "Positive Kharma" = "Dharma"

Read up on Hinduist Philosophy

;-)

Kaz Wolfe

There's still a self-beneficial perspective, there always is. Even if everyone in the interaction benefits, nobody instigates anything without some self-gain.

Fabby

21:29

Nope...

Not necessarily... :-)

Kaz Wolfe

Really? Name one thing you did that gave you absolutely nothing in return.

Fabby

Studying for 4 years to be a Chemist?

(I've never worked as a Chemist...)

Kaz Wolfe

It gave you an education and a chance to get a career.

Fabby

"a chance" = "no tangible advantage?"

Kaz Wolfe

In short, it still benefited you in the form of an opportunity, and knowledge.

Not all rewards are tangible.

Fabby

21:33

@KazWolfe :D If it's not tangible, it's not an advantage!

>:-)

Kaz Wolfe

not all self-beneficial things are advantageous either.

Fabby

However, don't let an old fart shatter your dreams...

If you want to advance the entire human race (and if you do) and a few individuals have to suffer: Just do it!

;-)

Kaz Wolfe

And now I get to play the devil's advocate.

Fabby

:D :D :D

Kaz Wolfe

That advice is extremely dangerous and is extremely subjective.

Fabby

21:35

True! I've been a director...

Just not going to be again...

/shrug

Fixing myself a drink... BRB.

Nathan Osman

@Fabby thanks but it isn't actually my birthday. @jokerdino decided to randomly start wishing people a happy birthday for April Fool's day and I wanted to join in.

:D

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman You are goat.

Nathan Osman

Okay, I be goat.

Kaz Wolfe

And @Downgoat is officially Nathan.

also hullo nathan

Fabby

@NathanOsman I remember somewhere in July-August, but my memory isn't what is used to be...

>:-)

Nathan Osman

21:55

@KazWolfe nop.

@KazWolfe hello.

@Fabby end of June.

Fabby

Damn! Off-by-1-2-error!

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman ping because i like you.

Fabby

:D :D :D

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe thank you... I think?

Kaz Wolfe

like in this case means "tolerate"

@ThomasWard How was your nap?

Thomas Ward

22:05

@KazWolfe hm?

Kaz Wolfe

oh, hi there.

Weren't you taking a nap?

Thomas Ward

no?

mail server setup

Kaz Wolfe

good thing to do if you're tired, lol

Fabby

@ThomasWard On a Sunday? I hope you get an extra day off or at least get double pay...

(or personal, in which case I refrain from any (drunk) comments...)

Thomas Ward

@Fabby it's personal

Fabby

22:10

refraining... ;-)

Just curious: which one?

(You being a security professional and all)

Kaz Wolfe

cc @ThomasWard discord

Thomas Ward

@Fabby postfix+dovecot+spamassassin+antivirus

Kaz Wolfe

hey, that's my setup! :D

Fabby

@ThomasWard For once: An intelligent answer starred instead of just a funny one!

WinEunuuchs2Unix

22:35

half intelligent there was no equal sign at the end :p

userDepth

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Q: How to enable text-mode LUKS passphrase prompt on boot?

I'm on Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 and I changed graphic card to GeForce 8600GT and now I can't enter LUKS password on boot after installing NVIDIA propriatary drivers (I tried 304.135 and 340.102). Keyboard does not work there, I only have such screen and I can't enter anything: To boot my OS I need ...

boot 16.04 luks passphrase

Isn't this a cryptswap problem ?

when you get asked for the crypt password asked ?

Kaz Wolfe

cryptswap happens after that.

LUKS is responsible for maintaining cryptswap

When you unlock the drive, you're using LUKS.

Fabby

22:53

@WinEunuuchs2Unix :D

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