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TheX

00:01

I think I just broke my back

yahoo.com went down today?

marenostrum

:5871 Are we still on same thread with your the original post starting with "Please look..." ?

George Edison

@DoR: Thanks! I appreciate you doing this!

TheX

what is yahoo.com?

that was another joke by the way...

Marco Ceppi

:5874 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo

:P

TheX

@MarcoCeppi why..... you....

Marco Ceppi

00:13

:5873 I've got your light and dark icons

TheX

►

BTTF FTW!

George Edison

@Marco: Great!

My cursor mysteriously disappeared for a minute - had to restart GDM.

TheX

makeuseof.com/tag/10-amazing-short-films-free-software

make sure you watch the first one in 1080p looks pretty amazing...

Marco Ceppi

George Edison

Is that the new Blender movie?

TheX

00:23

I don't know if it is new or not but it is pretty amazing

George Edison

It's new.

Marco Ceppi

:5883 i.imgur.com/q8ccR.png

George Edison

It just came out a month or so ago.

@Marco: Can you provide the icons as PNG images?

Marco Ceppi

yeah, just touching up

George Edison

Also, are you saying you want the blue icon to remain the active icon, or is there another one for that?

Marco Ceppi

00:25

@GeorgeEdison Blue as active :)

George Edison

Okay

So should this be an option in the preferences dialog? Maybe under "theme"?

Marco Ceppi

it should just drop the icons in the relative place - I have no idea how that works TBH

George Edison

But how does the user pick which one they want?

Marco Ceppi

it should be derived based on the appearance - like when I choose Radience all my icons chance appropriately. I don't know how to make that happen

George Edison

Me neither :)

Marco Ceppi

00:28

George Edison

@Jorge: ^----- ??

Marco Ceppi

Those are resized to 48x48

TheX

I think the icon should change after being active for so long??

like say a minute or two after turning blue, it turns back to the gray?

but what do I know?

George Edison

No, the whole point is that when you look at it later, you see that something has happened.

That doesn't work if it changes after 2 minutes.

Marco Ceppi

@TheX It's similar to the messaging menu

TheX

00:31

yeah but you can always click on it, and see that it has changed?

But I see what you are saying

Marco Ceppi

@TheX how would you know to click on it :P

TheX

well... I don't know...

Marco Ceppi

:]

TheX

just a thought I had, didn't say it was well thought out now did i?

Jorge Castro

there shouldn't even really be an icon, it should integrate with the messaging menu

like in the bug I reported

so that the envelope turns green when you have rep

Marco Ceppi

00:32

touche

Jorge Castro

like all the other apps you get feedback from

TheX

yeah that would be cool

George Edison

But that would take even more recoding :(

Marco Ceppi

That needs to be a bug for message-indicator team :P

Jorge Castro

hey I filed the m-i integration bug like months ago. :p

@GeorgeEdison the trick is to make someone else do it for you

George Edison

00:37

Support for the message menu

I think it would be cool if stackapplet used the messaging menu for badges: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu So, imagine on the menu it would look like: > [icon] Ubuntu [ medal ] Biographer > [icon] StackOverflow [ medal ] Biographer So basically whatever site you've earned the badge on shows up. When you click on it it takes you to the site's profile page so you can check it out. Since they're earned and not very spammy I think this would work in the menu.

StackApplet

Wishlist / New

Eh... what we have works. Let's leave it 'till StackApplet 1.5

(Whenever that comes out.)

Marco Ceppi

SA 1.5!

George Edison

Well, why not?

Jorge Castro

@GeorgeEdison the icon works for me in notify-osd now, thanks!

TheX

@GeorgeEdison no i think it needs a total revamp now :P

George Edison

I JUST rewrote it from scratch.

TheX

00:38

I was joking, take a chill

George Edison

I know :P

Marco Ceppi

so it's gone from gnome-panel > indicator-applet

now indicator-applet > messaging icon

then we'll make you go from messaging-icon > Chrome extension

George Edison

There's already a Chrome extension.

20

Q: New Q! - Google Chrome Extension notifies you of new questions of interest

Screenshot A new question notification in Chrome 6 in Windows XP A new question notification in Chrome 5 in Windows 7 The options page About I like to check StackOverflow for new questions to answer. I spend a lot of time refreshing the My Tags tab on the Unanswered page. Well, those days...

^----- That's what I use for StackApps alerts.

TheX

do you guys do a lot of programming?

Marco Ceppi

@TheX Yeah - I do at least

TheX

00:49

cool... I took some programming when I was in college but I sucked lol

Marco Ceppi

Java?

TheX

Java, Visual Basic, C++, Pascal...

Marco Ceppi

cool, cool

TheX

it has been a long time though

DoR

@GeorgeEdison Why isn't there any icons in the StackApplet menu? ubuntuone.com/p/KTG

Marco Ceppi

00:59

yay notify-osd works now! Thanks @GeorgeEdison

TheX

thanks for voting me down @MarcoCeppi

Marco Ceppi

huh?

TheX

or maybe it was the other dude...

George Edison

@DoR: There are no icons because of a bug with AppIndicators.

DoR

@GeorgeEdison What bug is that?

George Edison

01:00

@TheX: I do a lot of programming.

@DoR: I'll try to find the link...

Here's my message highlighting the problem: lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00026.html

DoR

@GeorgeEdison Oh yes, I know of that bug. But Refresh, Preferences, About and Quit could all still have icons.

TheX

@GeorgeEdison cool

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi so what sites can we migrate questions to?

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro None ATM

Jorge Castro

like, I think it would be nice to close this one because it's on SF

4

Q: auto bcc is not working when contain attachment in Postfix

I'm using postfix smtp and adding always_bcc. always_bcc = [email protected] It's working fine without attachment. When I add attachment, auto bcc is not working and admin didn't get email. How to fix that problem ?

ubuntu-server postfix

ah ok

Marco Ceppi

01:15

:5964 chat.askubuntu.com/rooms/3/conversation/migration-speculation

Jorge Castro

thanks

Marco Ceppi

The only sites to get migration paths so far are WebApps, WebMasters, and Programmers

Jorge Castro

ah

If I had to guess we would eventually be able to send to SF for our more complicated server questions

Marco Ceppi

Yes, I think to SF and SU will likely be the migration paths

Jorge Castro

and I suspect we'll be able to receive from SU

and send firefox-like questions to SU

Marco Ceppi

01:19

I've got a question right now that's burning in my mind for the last few days

not sure if I want to ask here or SF

George Edison

@DoR: But there's another problem: most GTK themes by default disable icons in menus.

You have to explicitly enable them.

So they wouldn't show up anyway.

DoR

GTK themes don't enable or disable whether or not to show icons.

That's a gconf setting

George Edison

I know.

Jorge Castro

@DoR there's a slight performance hit on encrypted homes that you should probably mention to the guy, but it's not so noticeable on modern hardware

George Edison

But I read somewhere that it was disabled on a per-theme basis.

Jorge Castro

01:22

but if he has some old laptop or something ...

@DoR unfortunately I can't find documentation on that right now. :-/

Marco Ceppi

:5988 It's logical though. The overhead of having to decrypt the disk and all

DoR

@GeorgeEdison I have never heard that, I do remember a brew ha-ha when Ubuntu disabled most icons by default

Either way, if you add icons they will always respect a users settings

Marco Ceppi

:5987 I noted that in this answer:

25

A: When installing I'm given the option of encrypting my home folder -- what does this do?

Simply Encrypting your home folder doesn't actually make your computer more secure - it simply makes all the files and folders in your home folder more secure from unauthorized viewing. Your computer is still "vulnerable" in a security standpoint - but it becomes very difficult for your conten...

DoR

@JorgeCastro A lot of things can make a computer run slower, so I don't think you would be using a computer and somehow conclude that the home folder was encrypted.

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi oooh nice!

@DoR yeah I was just saying that some people might not like the tradeoff

TheX

01:28

what is it with all the peeps asking about the screen casting software>

?

Jorge Castro

I had it for a while and didn't bother turning it on the next time I reinstalled my laptop

poolie

Hi Jorge! askubuntu seems to be going really well...

DoR

NullUserException is obviously an FBI agent. They lose laptops all the time xD

Marco Ceppi

:6001 haha :P

BTW @poolie You posted the 6,000th message on this sites chat software

TheX

can you encrypt you home directory after installing ubuntu?

Marco Ceppi

01:32

@TheX I believe so

It's encrypting the partition IIRC

so if home is on root then you can create an ecryptfs partition and sync your home folder on to it

TheX

Someone chose my answer...

DoR

@TheX I guess that works on Linux then?

TheX

I guess so...

DoR

I'm going to have to try that sometime

TheX

I am going to do it now, just out of curiosity...

No wallpaper option

Jorge Castro

01:50

hi @poolie it's going great!

TheX

I need a new picture...

George Edison

You do.

:O Oh no!!!!!!!!

TheX

*&^% no!

George Edison

Totally kidding...

999 users for StackApplet... one more to go!

TheX

sweet

So I changed my gravatar how long till i see it change?

Marco Ceppi

02:01

Cached - it'll likely show up in an hour or two

TheX

okay.

Marco Ceppi

I Just found a sweet tool

packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/drapes

aww, no one boxing for packages.ubuntu yet

Jorge Castro

one of my former students wrote drapes

it's unfortunately unmaintained

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro You're a professor?

Decio Lira

hi all

Marco Ceppi

02:03

Hello @DecioLira!

TheX

@JorgeCastro it is in the repos

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi no I was staff at an .edu and he was whining about the unix labs sucking

so I hired him

@TheX yeah, it works, it's just not being updated, which is sad, it could be so awesome

TheX

ahh

poolie

:6035 take that! :)

TheX

what was I doing?

@JorgeCastro what uni did you work at?

Marco Ceppi

02:09

I'm also digging Getting things GNOME!

:6023 Press either Ctrl+F5 or Shift+F5 and you should see your new icon

TheX

@MarcoCeppi it is there

@MarcoCeppi just took a while

TheX

02:23

my google chrome broke lol

Jorge Castro

mine is too

TheX

that was odd

Chrome just dissapeared

like it is not even installed

someone down voted me

Marco Ceppi

@TheX it happens

I've been down voted quite a few times

TheX

I just can't understand why :=P I am such a smart and good looking guy :-P

Decio Lira

the vote is in the eye of the beholder I guess :-)

TheX

02:39

so how do you become a moderator?

Marco Ceppi

The current moderator team was selected by the SO team to get the site through the beta

There will be public community elections in the next few weeks where the community can nominate and elect moderators

we'll probably select between 4-6 moderators to carry us through the next year before there is another election

Though the last statement is speculation based on the trilogy sites process cycle

TheX

I see

I was just curious...

Marco Ceppi

not a problem :)

TheX

you spend a lot of time here then? what do you do for a living?

Marco Ceppi

I'm a linux system administrator and lead developer

TheX

02:43

for a corporation?

Marco Ceppi

For a company yes

TheX

Cool...

Marco Ceppi

It's definitely fun

TheX

I work IT for a school District... mostly Windows shop

But I love playing/working with Linux...

DoR

Haha wow, a -1 accepted answer.

Marco Ceppi

02:46

@DoR Where - that's pretty unique on this site?

TheX

thanks to me

it was my answer that went -1

DoR

5

Q: Play a movie in the desktop as a wallpaper?

I was wondering is there a way to play movies in the desktop,like a background?or is it not possible?

ubuntu-desktop video-player

TheX

about the video on the background

we should put that in the hall of fame.

DoR

It always annoys me when someone accepts an answer and doesn't upvote it.

Marco Ceppi

Well @TheX did get 15 rep from it being accepted

but the OP could have made it 25

TheX

02:48

now it is -2

Marco Ceppi

@TheX I gave you an upvote...but I hit the wrong arrow - it's fixed now

TheX

lol nice

Marco Ceppi

but I like @DoR's answer too

TheX

@MarcoCeppi yeah iit probably actually works unlike mine

Decio Lira

so, I made a little question

Decio Lira

02:51

5

Q: How to start an app with "Always On Top" set?

There are a couple of applications that I find myself marking as "Always on Top" every time I use them, so I wonder if there is a way to automatically set them as so, whatever way I start them (menu, shell, gnome-do)?

gnome applications window-manager

Decio Lira

but i'm not sure how to tag it

Decio Lira

ideas?

Decio Lira

just put an "applications" to have something

Marco Ceppi

[window-setting] ? I'm not sure that's a tough one

TheX

yeah it is

Decio Lira

02:52

@txwikinger added a "gnome" tag.

Decio Lira

nice.

Decio Lira

wow, 2 upvotes in under a minute

Decio Lira

I guess it's not as silly as I though

JanC

it's a window-manager question I'd say...

Decio Lira

guess so

Decio Lira

02:55

* thought

JanC

I added that as a tag :)

Marco Ceppi

@DecioLira You can edit your posts in this chat :)

Decio Lira

:-) thanks

TheX

yes, yes you can... I still can't upload though...

DoR

I can confirm that my answer actually works, lol. Playing a movie as your wallpaper is pretty cool!

Marco Ceppi

03:00

that's a crazy idea. I never see my background though - except through my semi-transparent terminal window

this is my wallpaper though

DoR

Is LibreOffice any different from OOo right now?

Marco Ceppi

:6110 chat.askubuntu.com/rooms/3/conversation/libreoffice

TheX

@DoR not sure installing Beta2 right now, Beta 1 seemed to be all graphical

lol they think i am a scholar...

JanC

LibreOffice is OOo 3.3beta + Novell patches (most of these were already used by Ubuntu anyway)

JanC

and different branding, I guess

Decio Lira

03:32

well, time for bad

Decio Lira

bed* gee...

TheX

aright have a good night

DoR

@DecioLira hit the up arrow to edit your comment

nvm I see that you did :P

JanC

09:40

we should have something documented about using a "software center" icon like here: askubuntu.com/questions/6586/games-that-run-natively-in-ubuntu/…

James

10:10

Hey JanC, thanks for reply on my touchpad issues, your guides allowed me to semi fix the problem

JanC

10:24

James: great :)

The Alpha Nerd

JanC: thanks for answering my question

JanC

James: don't forget to file a bug report (you want this to be fixed OOTB in the future!)

James

I'll get one compiled very soon

James

10:41

Submitted a bug to launchpad

James

First time, too :P

JanC

\o/

James

10:59

Apport doesn't collect any sensitive info like passwords right?

JanC

apport does everything it can to not include passwords

James

OK

txwikinger

12:44

@JorgeCastro: Morning

Marco Ceppi

Hey! They fixed this finally

1

Q: In-house chat Ad broken?

I've noticed for the past few days that the Visit House advertisement on the right doesn't properly show the most active rooms. Is this just me or is there a problem in showing the correct rooms?

bug status-completed chat ads

Thoughts on this...

8

Q: How to make money from/in Ubuntu/Linux?

Hey all. I'm a student right now, and later in life I'd like to get really involved in the Linux ecosystem. However I recognize the need to put bread on the table, so my question is: How can I make money from Ubuntu/Linux? The situation right now is that my College can offer me Windows Certifi...

job-market certification training

TheX

Hey I have an upload button now....

Marco Ceppi

:6138 you must need 100 rep for the upload button then

TheX

maybe

Anyways good morning.

Marco Ceppi

13:07

mornin'

Jorge Castro

13:40

morning!

TheX

@JorgeCastro morning

mac9416

Mornin', y'all. Say, does the askubuntu logo at the bottom-right look squashed to anyone else?

Marco Ceppi

:6145 Of this chat?

mac9416

@MarcoCeppi, yep. Above those three links.

TheX

@mac9416 it does look a bit sqaushed yes

Marco Ceppi

13:46

looks okay to me

mac9416

Hmm, lemme get a screenie. (Gee, you're fast at that.)

Marco Ceppi

:6152 hehe gotta be to get a complete and whole answer :P

mac9416

dv3500ea

Marco Ceppi

That does look quite ugly. What browser are you using?

dv3500ea

13:49

I'm using chromium on 10.04.

mac9416

FF 3.6.3

Marco Ceppi

Nooooo! I refreshed my browser and it made it ugly !

TheX

firefox here...

mac9416

Hope I didn't do that. XD

Marco Ceppi

That should probably be a bug

TheX

13:50

@mac9416 way to go...

mac9416

Where can it be reported?

Marco Ceppi

meta.askubuntu.com

or in the chat feedback room

chat.askubuntu.com/rooms/2/chat-feedback

Though it would be better to put it on meta, then just paste the link to the meta post in the chat feedback room

This may be a design changed that rolled out yesterday

mac9416

Good idea.

Marco Ceppi

I know they did some changes to chat yesterday to fix the API - there may have also been a design update to take care of other desgin bugs too which could have inadvertently broke that CSS

TheX

CSS is a pain in tthe rear

mac9416

13:59

4

Q: Logo Squashed in Chat

When I signed into chat today, the logo at the bottom-right looks like this. Marco Ceppi commented on it: I know they did some changes to chat yesterday to fix the API - there may have also been a design update to take care of other desgin bugs too which could have inadvertently broke that...

bug status-completed chat css

Marco Ceppi

nice

mac9416

Did my good deed for the day. Going AFK now. Y'all be good. :-)

Marco Ceppi

heading into the office

TheX

I need to clean my desk, again

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi any word on the apt thing?

@MarcoCeppi and also, I finally have votes left over right now

normally lately I've been using them right away when the deadline passes

TheX

14:12

there we go, that is better

Jorge Castro

this fred.bear is like my favorite kind of user.

totally lost, but asking really good questions

and taking the time to investigate, etc.

TheX

fred.bear, is the man/bear....

badp

hey guys, need help here :)

3

Q: Can Dwarf Fortress be run in console mode?

I don't want to start up an X server at all, I just want to play on a text console. Is this possible?

dwarf-fortress unix

Jorge Castro

@TheX you don't need things like "on ubuntu" in your questions

we know you're on ubuntu, you're on askubuntu

:)

TheX

@JorgeCastro yeah I guess that is a pretty safe assumption to make... lol

Jorge Castro

14:23

it's ok, one more edit on my way to a gold badge!

TheX

lol

Jorge Castro

@TheX also, add if you need voice only, or voice/video would help.

TheX

just need the instant messaging portion

Marco Ceppi

15:27

:6180 Nothing yet

:6180 meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/67401/…

TheX

@MarcoCeppi you broke the one hour oarth of silence...

Marco Ceppi

Breaking news from Fox!

foxnews.com/us/2010/10/14/…

Must be a slow day

TheX

umm it will be a slow news day for a while, now that the miners are free...

but that is pretty funny

oh no... someone stoll all of John Elways money....

Marco Ceppi

15:53

I wisw I could upvote this answer

1

A: Installing new kernel (by commandline) as side of old kernel

Ok here we go on how to compile and install a new kernel : First the dependencies for all of this : sudo apt-get install build-essential makedumpfile Plus the dependencies for the specific kernel, for a kernel which is in a repository you can do this : sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-"ker...

Editing rampage.

txwikinger

:6199 they mentioned this at the moderator chat yesterday

Marco Ceppi

@txwikinger Yeah - but Robert didn't really comment on it and Jeff wasn't there. So it'll wait

JanC

16:12

:6209 you mean the person who copy/pasted from the wiki without mentioning his/her source? ;)

TheX

anyone ever hear of a .tag file?

Marco Ceppi

:6212 Which question? I've just been searching for questions with "hi" or "hello" and editing them to make them more formalized questions. Typically users with greetings have posts that need improvement - not to mention it's kind of frowned upon in the SE tool

JanC

I mean the long answer to kernel build question :)

Marco Ceppi

Ah, It looked good at least :P

I'm thinking about closing this question

Any nay sayers? IMO too localized and doesn't off much value

1

Q: Server on Atom D410?

I am new to ubuntu (I am old time windows user and now want to shift my box). I want to setup my new dev box. I have selected following config for the PC Processes - Atom D410, 1.6 Ghz, (512K cache) RAM - 2 GB (667Mhz FSB) HDD - 250 GB (7200 rpm) Is that ok to run Ubuntu server or should I ...

ubuntu-server hardware

TheX

nay

actually I don't care I just wanted to say "nay"

fluteflute

16:23

It feels okay as a one off, but you wouldn't want lots

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi maybe let it ride for a little longer?

fluteflute

Perhaps if it was retitled

Jorge Castro

atom servers are actually pretty interesting

fluteflute

"Dev Server Specs" or something

Jorge Castro

I would get one if my home one died

Marco Ceppi

16:24

:6225 Are they? Could this question be more atom-centric?

I've just noticed a lot of "Well my setup is..." answers - feels kind of wrong

Jorge Castro

yeah true

not sure, in general I am not finding community-wiki questions very good

I don't feel strongly one way or the other

Marco Ceppi

I don't think this is a community wiki-able question. First (and I don't have the knowledge) are Atom servers this special server?

JanC

it's more a question of "will this modern low-end hardware be fast enough for a simple website with 1 user?" and the answer is always yes :P

fluteflute

:6234 yeah :P

Marco Ceppi

:6234 Thats what I'm saying - I don't think this question really offers that much merit (at least not in it's current form)

fluteflute

16:31

I saw close it, it should be a forum thread

Marco Ceppi

16:42

Is virtuoso-opensource just OpenVZ?

nevermind. I was thinking virtuozzo

Jorge Castro

18:23

@MarcoCeppi is it possible to preload an "Ask a question" link with a tag?

so for example

I want to be able to put on my team page "Got a question? Ask us!" and then link to askubuntu.com but have it so that the question will be tagged "community"

Marco Ceppi

18:44

@JorgeCastro I don't think so - interesting idea though

@JorgeCastro askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=community

You can even do this

askubuntu.com/questions/…

DoR

@MarcoCeppi cool!

JanC

/me submits a Hello Dolly question :P

Marco Ceppi

:6248 I'll just migrate it to Meta then BURN WITH FIRE

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi thank you!

DoR

@MarcoCeppi BURN WITH FIRE....LIKE A BOSS

Marco Ceppi

18:58

:6251 1/5 of vodka

like a person who has powers of authority

txwikinger

19:25

Please don't ask community questions ... Then you really get flamewars

Jorge Castro

19:36

?

what do you mean?

I am talking for things like "How do I run a booth at a show?" and those sort of questions

askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/community

these kinds of questions

txwikinger

20:43

@JorgeCastro: rofl

Just talking from experience :)

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