Ask Ubuntu General Room

jrg

00:00

UBUNTU. WHAT PART OF KILL THE INSTALLER DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

George Edison

Lol.

Bruno Pereira

man, this is the part of askubuntu's rep system that confuses me: give a technical answer like this askubuntu.com/questions/96357/… and you get 1 vote, pretend your a firefox settings specialist and give a lame answer like this askubuntu.com/questions/97176/… and there's ppl upvoting like if their lifes depended on it!

George Edison

That's the way things are on the Internet, unfortunately.

jrg

Yeah, unfortunately.

Bruno Pereira

well, lets hope the firefox answer attracts another 1000s of users ;)

rlemon

00:10

there. +1

Bruno Pereira

@rlemon lol, its really not the repo, its the spirits of the votes if you catch my drift (but thx)

jrg

already found a weird UI bug in precise

rlemon

i know :P i read the answer and it inspired me

jrg

@rlemon what was the about:whatever that jorge mentioned with the easter egg?

Bruno Pereira

wish I lived in the US for the Linux conventions :(

jrg

00:13

I'm not at the Linux con.

rlemon

about:robot[s?] or something

i tried but it didn't work.

jrg

just watched the live feed. :P

yeah, i can't replicate it here on my unity 5.0

Bruno Pereira

about:robots

rlemon

razorjack.net/quicksand this is pretty slick if you ask me

jrg

he must have been ruinning something special....... :P

rlemon

00:14

alt+f2 "about:robots"

worked for me now. i forgot the s

jrg

oh, alt-f2.

i was just trying normal dash. :P

lol clever.

its not even a unity easter egg. its a firefox one. :P

no overlay scrollbars in firefox yet. :(

jokerdino

> chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2959359#2959359

jrg

Guess I was slow to realize it. :p

Is precise faster? It seems like it is.

jokerdino

Sorry. I was just excited. :/

Bruno Pereira

@jrg its placebo ;)

jokerdino

00:26

He wasn't that active. And I just accidentally found him on AU. In any case, we should be excited anyway. :D

jrg

@BrunoPereira heh.

Bruno Pereira

Seems faster yeah

jokerdino

@jrg I don't know. I too feel the same. I think it is because of Unity 5?

jrg

WE WE WE SO EXCITED, WE SO EXCITED WE SO EXCITED, WE GOT THE CRAZY GREEN BIRD GUY ON ASK UBUNTU

Bruno Pereira

im not there yet, then again I dont use twitter! (<<<< there, I said it!)

SOPA is really dead: mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-is-dead-smith-pulls-bill

jrg

00:28

yeah, the livecd seems about as snappy as my 11.10 install. :P

Bruno Pereira

lol

jrg

It was tabled, not dead.

while SOPA might be dead, what people don't understand is that the lobbyists who got it this far in the first place are paid BIG BUCKS to do it

and the politicians are also paid (illegally) to pass stuff like this.

Bruno Pereira

serious? and I was thinking that they were honest living man....

jrg

As I pointed out earlier:

Dear IT community: please continue working on ways to hack around SOPA, because odds are it will eventually become law under another name.

Tweeted by meyerweb on January 16, 2012 at 3:01 PM

and meyer is right

jokerdino

i read maddox's blog post and that guy influenced my thoughts :/

jrg

00:31

it will become law. its just a matter of how soon.

maddox is blocked here, its supposedly an "adult" domain. :S

jokerdino

but if it does straightaway, people would be more aware than later.

jrg

exactly.

so SOPA/PIPA are on hold

i give the US another 6 months, tops.

and then, after that, we feel the effects of our new police state under the NDAA, and we have a revolt in another 10. </end-political-rantage>

jokerdino

i hate the politics messing with normal life.

the problem is people either know too much or they don't know anything.

jrg

in other (on-topic!) news, is it safe to click "skip" in the installer while you're at "removing conflicting operating system files" when you did a wipe of the partition before you pressed install?

jokerdino

it doesn't sound like a good idea.

jrg

00:35

ok i won't do it then

Bruno Pereira

@jrg paste.ubuntu.com/811343

@jrg it starts with a big banner saying "I hope SOPA passes."

jrg

also, apparently didrocks is working on a unity config tool - +50 rep to the person who finds it and adds that to the unity config question

@BrunoPereira thanks, i'm reading it now.

jokerdino

@jrg translate.google.com/… (expletive-filled) :D

jrg

@BrunoPereira the part where he says "they (MPAA) lied" is the part about "losing 2 million jobs but only employing a few hundred thousand", right?

Bruno Pereira

@rlemon oh, you did not!

@jrg I cannot say if true or precise

badp

00:41

blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/20/… - looks like Microsoft finally copied mobile broadband off Network Manager and added up nice bells and whistles

jrg

Ok, was just trying to figure it out. thanks

@jokerdino i'm going to skip the conflicting OS files part because its been ~10+ minutes with no progress. :P

jokerdino

in that case, you got no choice! :P

rlemon

@BrunoPereira What did I do?

jrg

of course the skip button just sits there and stares at me. :P

Bruno Pereira

@rlemon nothing, saw a pic and reminded of you ;)

rlemon

00:46

:O!!!

i do like unicorns.... not as much as him apparently.

jrg

before I start a bounty on this, is it a dupe? - askubuntu.com/questions/70146/…

Bruno Pereira

@jrg def not a dupe I think

jrg

also, just to make sure i'm asking for the right answer here,

"I have dual monitor,s, I'd like to have different wallpapers for each of them", right?

Bruno Pereira

should be something like "twin view different wallpaper" so it does not create confusion with multi X servers

jrg

Direct quote from an email from Al Franken (US Senator): "...millions of Americans whos livelihoods rely on strong protections for intellectual property: middle-class workers - most of them union workers in all 50 states..."

I see how it is Mr. Franken. You won't step on the unions to protect freedom. I see how it is.

@jokerdino so, i killed the installer and started over

and then i didn't set /home up on another partition, so its happy now

Bruno Pereira

01:06

easy bounty:

4

Q: How do I hide a particular user from the 11.10 login screen?

How do I hide a particular user from the login screen on a default install of 11.10 (ie. using LightDM)?

William

I call it!

jrg

not if i beat you.

William

Ha!

Done.

ITS ALL YOU FAULT

Bruno Pereira

@William there is better ways that do not involve usermod

William

well too bad

just kidding.

what better ways?

Bruno Pereira

01:09

@jrg go for it

William

stupid downvoters

the haters of the world

I do not understand the downvote, so I blame it on @jrg.

jrg

removing the entire user list is not a solution, correct?

Bruno Pereira

@jrg no, that was my answer which I deleted

jrg

answered

can someone test it?

i'm not 100% sure it'll "work", i just read the docs and did some greppin'.

brb, precise just finished installing

Bruno Pereira

@jrg testing

jrg

01:19

@bruno also, you can restore the backup just by moving the .bak file back into place. FYI in case you get stuck in a try.

Bruno Pereira

@jrg I wont, thats the answer I was expecting ;)

jrg

Um ok?

oh great, my trackpad isn't working in precise right now.

:S

first bug to report this time around! :D

jokerdino

@jrg lol so you started it all over? :)

jrg

@jokerdino yup

wow, just found a bug report that goes like this:

InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Release amd64 (20101007.1)
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10

that guy did two release upgrades.

hes brave

jokerdino

i have done 4 so far.

jrg

01:32

thats crazy.

jokerdino

i don't know, it still works fine here

jrg

i have never had a upgrade go well.

10.04 to 10.10 failed miserably - dpkg segged. 10.10 to 11.04 went well, but that was because i did that at alpha 1. :P 11.04 to 11.10 i didn't bother except for the first alpha. after that, i stopped. :P

jokerdino

looks like i am a little lucky then.

jrg

or maybe i just have bad luck

but i will do a 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade (in a VM) sometime in the next few weeks

George Edison

01:49

stackphp.quickmediasolutions.com/examples

I've added some new examples as well as a source code viewer.

Questions Feed

02:29

Bounty offered: How do I compile and use liboverlay-scrollbar from source? http://askubuntu.com/questions/96650/how-do-i-compile-and-use-liboverlay-scrollbar-from-source #programming

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 2:25 AM

jrg

bug:

2

Q: why does my battery icon thinks its charging?

i have a Lenovo Y560, and the battery icon in the top right corner always has the lightning bolt like it is charging, even when it isnt being charged. EDIT: this is happening when im not connected to anything, even when my battery is about to die.

battery

George Edison

I was talking to the author of that question yesterday.

jrg

Oh?

he states that hes running precise in a comment

George Edison

SOPA is dead!

jrg

@GeorgeEdison just start here and read down as to why it isn't really dead yet. - chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3075064#3075064

George Edison

02:42

Aw...

jrg

am I making sense? :P

George Edison

Yeah, it makes sense.

It's just disappointing to know that this stupid thing isn't over :P

jrg

yeah, its not over yet.

George Edison

03:19

It's here! (I hope it works :P)

Marco Ceppi

It will never be over. I'm already planning "Underground DNS"

George Edison

Whoa - this gives me a neat idea for a new game.

> SOPA Wars - Resolve as many DNS entries as you can before the Government infiltrates your network.

...it couldn't have an online leaderboard though - user-generated content.

jokerdino

nice idea haha

/me downloading virtual box and 12.04 iso inside Windows 7.

As a first thing moving back to Windows, I changed the task bar to the left and autohid it.

George Edison

@jokerdino Welcome to the club :) I've been running Windows 8 since September with Ubuntu 11.10 in a VM.

(One version ahead of you on Windows - one version behind for Ubuntu...)

jokerdino

03:44

oh cool.

jokerdino

04:42

finished downloading it. just managed to install it. boo i can only run unity-2d in VMWare.

George Edison

Does VMWare contain an option for enabling 3D acceleration?

lazyPower

04:57

@jokerdino did you install the guest editions business for vmware?

I've read some interesting articles on Distributed DNS

George Edison

05:09

@lazyPower I have a question for you about JavaScript projects.

(You work a lot with JavaScript, right?)

lazyPower

yep

Fire away

George Edison

Great! I've got a bunch of JS files that need to get merged into a single file before minification...

How do you handle this scenario?

(It's kind of like the jQuery source - merge, minify, JSLint, deploy :) )

lazyPower

i usually have an ant build script do it for me -- but the gist is i create a temporary new file -- cat each file sequentially to the temp file -- minify it and then rename the output file

i use Jenkins for this task

George Edison

Ah, I wondered if there was some automated tool for it.

lazyPower

i have a Continuous Integration server thats hooked into github -- so each commit i make with the flagged message of [#compile] it checks out the source and runs unit tests

the end goal is to have it package them and run automated system deploys to staging

George Edison

05:12

Ah, I see.

lazyPower

but i'm still a ways away from that since i dont quite understand msdeploy -- its such a horrid tool

George Edison

Well, the problem for me is that cat is a Unix tool :)

lazyPower

type file1 file2 > file3

type is similar to cat

and my CI server is windows based ;) -- i write .net code -- i dont think theres a way for me to run msbuild reliably on unix

copy /b is another option

getgnuwin32.sourceforge.net

my final option presented -- is install native unix tools on your box

George Edison

I've considered that - I have msys installed for git.

But I kind of want to avoid that since it requires a lot of manual setup (and I might want to automate this down the road).

type file1 file2 ... works great!

lazyPower

then i would write a powershell script or a batch file to do this

George Edison

05:16

Yup, a batch file is exactly what I'm thinking now.

lazyPower

i'm getting partial to powershell :P

George Edison

Thanks for helping me, I appreciate it.

lazyPower

Glad I could give back :)

i admire your work George -- you're gonna do great things man.

George Edison

Thank you.

jokerdino

@lazyPower I don't know anything about that. what is that?

lazyPower

05:30

@jokerdino vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/new_guest_tools_ws.html

jokerdino

Thanks

lazyPower

NP. it'll make your guest operating system experience much better

supports drag & drop, mouse & graphics acceleration, and general oddity fixes

that and shared folders are nice too. you can mount host folders in the guest operating system

However, i use virtualbox not vmware -- but my school has a vmware server that i've made extensive use of :)

jokerdino

oh wait, virtualbox is not vmware?

i actually have virtual box installed.

lazyPower

VMWare is owned by citrix (? -- needs verification) while Virtual Box is the free Oracle incantation

jokerdino

I got the edition from Oracle..

Questions Feed

05:36

Bounty offered: How do I hide a particular user from the 11.10 login screen? http://askubuntu.com/questions/92349/how-do-i-hide-a-particular-user-from-the-11-10-login-screen #lightdm

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 5:25 AM

lazyPower

dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-guest-addons.html

same basic principal to install GE on windows as it is in any other OS

Devices -> Install Guest Editions

jokerdino

thanks again

lazyPower

Anytime

George Edison

07:05

QUnit seems to be an excellent JavaScript test framework.

Well, goodnight everyone.

Questions Feed

08:43

Great answer: How do I install the Cinnamon Desktop? http://askubuntu.com/questions/94201/how-do-i-install-the-cinnamon-desktop/94202#94202 #desktopenvironments

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Amith KK

09:18

Hello all

jokerdino

hi there

Amith KK

Hey @jokerdino, I see your on windows

jokerdino

not anymore. i switched back to Ubuntu

Bruno Pereira

@jrg ping

Amith KK

@BrunoPereira He's sleeping

Whats up :D

Bruno Pereira

09:35

@AmithKK thx for the heads up. Nothing serious

Amith KK

@BrunoPereira np

jokerdino

10:50

BBL after dinner

Questions Feed

11:26

How can i make everything just assume im running as root? http://askubuntu.com/questions/97278/how-can-i-make-everything-just-assume-im-running-as-root #root

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

jrg

11:40

Wassup @bruno?

jrg

11:52

5

Q: Why is there no lightweight desktop environment specialized for free developers?

Almost every desktop environment that has reached an acceptable amount of quality has structures to appear good for most private users. The user's home directory has sub-directories like "my music", "my movies", "my photos" - but why is there no desktop environment (in best case very lightweight ...

gui desktop-environments home-directory

This should have been killed ages ago, DESTROYYYY

Greg

12:06

something's got a memory leak :S

computer grinding to a hold, chromium-browser tabs all saying "He's dead, Jim"

system swap usage right up

I'm pretty sure chromium was the culprit... I'd just resumed from hibernation and had about 10 tabs open.... slooooooow.

Takkat

Hi all

jrg

12:38

@Greg i've never experienced that

Alvar

12:51

My rep in the site is a palindrom! :D 2112!!! :D

I should stop asking questions on AU and just googling it! :/

Alvar

13:06

@Takkat hi Takkat! :)

jokerdino

How do I stream an Internet Radio channel using a browser?

I might as well ask in the main site.

jokerdino

13:43

Required plugin could not be found
Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: text/html decoder

Now what do I do?

Alvar

@jokerdino try python 3.0'?

jokerdino

hmm?

0

Q: Streaming Internet radio

I am trying to stream a Internet radio station using a browser. It appears like it is loading but I don't hear any sound. This is the station I am trying to stream: http://tunein.com/tuner/?StationId=68906 (It is a regional radio station and is in Tamil.) When I try to stream it in Rhythmbox, I ...

internet-radio

Questions Feed

14:33

How to get those "glass" title bar buttons http://askubuntu.com/questions/97350/how-to-get-those-glass-title-bar-buttons #theme

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

jokerdino

1

Q: Missing launcher, top panel without icons, an ATI driver problem?

After upgrading to Ubuntu 11.10, the following problems occurs when accesing in ubuntu mode (3D): the launcher is missing, top panel without icons on the right side, and I can only restart with Terminal (Alt-T and then sudo reboot). No problems in 2D. It occurs on my PC with AMD Athlon (tm) II X4...

unity launcher missing

Kill it as dupe pls

jrg

YEAHHHH A DUPE OF MY QUESTION YEAAAH ROCK ON. :P

jokerdino

:D

oh look. all the dupe answers are migrated.

jrg

what? not sure I understand

jokerdino

i mean the answers of other dupe questions have been migrated to yours.

jrg

14:46

/me goes to look

oh yeah you're right

someone was doing some merging. isn't sure he likes that

jokerdino

all those answers apparently came from this one askubuntu.com/questions/63921/…

look at the votes and the views.

jrg

yeah scumbag marco did it. ;)

jokerdino

hehe

oh wait, Mr Oli has only one golden badge?

jrg

:O you're saying I beat him there?

jokerdino

almost

jrg

14:55

you're right

hes only got 1

jokerdino

wonder why

i find it surprising

jrg

hes busy being Mr. Oli thats why. Oli has no need for badges.

jokerdino

well true that

jokerdino

15:15

0

A: How do I install Eclipse Indigo 3.7.1?

kiran@kiran-desktop:~$ /opt/eclipse/eclipse -clean & [1] 20205 kiran@kiran-desktop:~$ bash: /opt/eclipse/eclipse: No such file or directory

What do you with an answer like that?

jrg

not an answer

simple as that

Bruno Pereira

15:32

0

A: How to prevent Firefox from trimming the URLs on the address bar?

Note that with version 8, copying the URL from the address bar the http:// prefix is actually copied, event though not displayed. Thus I can live with it not being displayed. In version 7 however, it is not copied, which is a major annoyance.

jrg

@BrunoPereira oh hai. you wanted me earlier?

Bruno Pereira

It was over the users list in lightdm, I edited your answer, forgive me if it was too intrusive.

its solved now

jrg

its ok. :)

I honestly don't care about what people do to my answers, as long as they don't completely turn the meaning upside down and out the window. :)

Bruno Pereira

@jrg dont tempt me, I'm always looking for thresholds... /me looks for a jrg answer and paints the background pink with yellow stripes and unicorns.

Lekensteyn

Hi everyone

Bruno Pereira

15:42

@Lekensteyn hello

Lekensteyn

I need help in closing some old questions that are essentially a duplicate of askubuntu.com/q/36930/6969

Bruno Pereira

link them in!

Lekensteyn

askubuntu.com/tools?s=1&tab=close&daterange=today

Kendor

New to the chat thing here... is it OK to ask a question here, or do I post it first?

Bruno Pereira

@Kendor you can do both if the question is not too big for chat

Kendor

15:47

I encrypted home after install of 11.10. Prior to encryption I was able to use SimpleLightDM manager to change the background @ login. After encryption, the background disappeared. I tried moving the background to another location in the file system outside of home and it didn't work. Sort of trivial stuff, but annoying

jokerdino

@Kendor ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862829

Kendor

@jokerdino Thanks, makes sense. I will try that

jokerdino

good night guys. see you later

Amith KK

Helloa ll

jrg

16:04

@BrunoPereira haha?

Nothing is worse than getting This page requires more privileges :P

AKA, mod tools.

Amith KK

For Your enjoyment, or for my kick(j/k) No offence @MarcoCeppi

jrg

lolwhut

stop abusing marco, you do know its in violation of his IP

Amith KK

@jrg scnr

Marco Ceppi

Why am I scumbag steve?

Amith KK

1 hour ago, by jrg

yeah scumbag marco did it. ;)

Marco Ceppi

16:08

Scumbag Marco says he's cool with his pictures being used as a meme, but kicks you anyways

Amith KK

Oh cmon' :D

'twas just a joke

Marco Ceppi

Exactly :)

jrg

hehe.

Amith KK

lol

jrg

@MarcoCeppi You're scumbag marco because YOU MERGED GOOD STUFF WITH CRAP AND RUINED IT. :)

(and I'm obviously heartbroken about it)

Marco Ceppi

16:09

I only do what people flag and tell me to do

jrg

hehe.

i know. don't shoot the messenger.

Marco Ceppi

You can always vote and flag those answers

Amith KK

@MarcoCeppi So, your a live puppet of sorts

jrg

if I was that bent up over it i'd just flag everything else for purging. still might do that

Marco Ceppi

we're always so low on flags no a days

@AmithKK That's all a moderator is. We rarely act on our own free will

I've even stopped reading some of the answers flagged. I see 5 people have flagged it and at least one of them left a comment I just delete it and don't even bat an eye

Amith KK

16:11

@MarcoCeppi Hmm.... ok... so you dont get to do anything on your own?

jrg

You make it sound so glamorous

Amith KK

^ What he said

Marco Ceppi

it's grueling work

Amith KK

@MarcoCeppi I have a question

Marco Ceppi

I have none of the answers :)

Amith KK

16:12

If a guy creates 5 accounts and uses all of them on different ip's, How will you detect him? The moderation system seems to only cross the same p for different users

Marco Ceppi

@AmithKK We will find you

The system has ways of detecting suspicious patterns, even if it's not by the same IP.

jrg

@AmithKK they will find you.

Amith KK

So, You can hack into my webcam too?

jrg

hehe. :P

they are moderators, not Googlers.

Marco Ceppi

You didn't read the terms of service :)

Amith KK

16:14

lol

jrg

well, we know he didn't, because he got suspended for being under 13. :P

Amith KK

@jrg For 23 days

jrg

true fact.

Should I find it creepy that you remembered that...?

Amith KK

Also, I was somewhat dumb as thought my Apache was not working because i always got to my router on my dyndns

jrg

no, your router was not working.

Amith KK

16:16

@jrg Nah, My router does that always

Although its awesome

@jrg I was bored at that time

jrg

heh

Amith KK

github.com/shoes/shoes/commits/develop/platform/nix/Makefile

jrg

oh, looking at the IRC logs eh?

Amith KK

@jrg Yeah :D

jrg

that is one old crufty makefile

Amith KK

16:21

Agreed

@jrg github.com/nathan-osman/Stack-Alert < If you want to improve

jrg

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to copy-n-paste the Rakefile into the Makefile and then just round things out

@AmithKK how could I improve it?

what bugs have been filed?

Amith KK

@jrg I mean the git structure

Is it a-Ok?

jrg

oh. can't really improve it any more than it is

Amith KK

Great

jrg

what i'd probably do though

is try to abstract as much as i could

so that i just run a shell script that says "want firefox, chrome or opera?`

and then you say "opera" and it spits out a opera plugin

Amith KK

16:24

@jrg How should I go about doing that

jrg

no idea.

i don't know how much "common" code there is

Amith KK

Hey, @MarcoCeppi did you start using ubuntu from Dapper drake?

Cuz... I need to see if it used tango

jrg

looks like it did

Amith KK

ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88477

jrg

Humanlooks theme implemented using Tango guidelines, based on Clearlooks and featuring orange colors instead of brown

List of Ubuntu releases

Ubuntu releases are made semiannually by Canonical Ltd, the developers of the Ubuntu operating system, using the year and month of the release as a version number. The first Ubuntu release, for example, was Ubuntu 4.10 and was released on 20 October 2004. Ubuntu releases are timed to be approximately one month after GNOME releases, which are in turn about one month after releases of X.Org, resulting in each Ubuntu release including a newer version of GNOME and X. To date every fourth release, in the second quarter of even-numbered years, has been designated as a Long Term Support (LTS) ...

Amith KK

16:30

GTG

BBT

jrg

dupe:

0

Q: Can't change GRUB 2 default OS

I want to change Windows 7 to my default OS because it has all the programs I want, but I can't get GRUB to change to default OS. I tried startupmanager and looked through all the configuration files I could find, and I consistently see Windows 7 listed as the default, but when I boot, it automat...

11.10 windows-7 grub2

jrg

17:07



Greg

17:21

wha?

Greg

17:31

ᐛ

best smiley ever

⍤

is this a portal? ♨

ok, so why does Arial have this glyph? 

Questions Feed

Can you answer this? Sync Unity config between computers http://askubuntu.com/questions/97055/sync-unity-config-between-computers #unity

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on January 21, 2012 at 5:25 PM

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