Ask Ubuntu General Room

Nathan Osman

00:00

Are we going to finally see Mir in 17.04 (Zany Zebra)?

chaskes

Aren't they still officially saying 16.10? or did I miss something?

Nathan Osman

Nope. They've punted on that. Again.

chaskes

oh ok

@NathanOsman I'm installing Hawaii in Fed24 right now. It's an underpowered machine, so we'll so how it goes.

Nathan Osman

I'm curious to see what it looks like.

chaskes

It's installing several lxqt packages as it goes, so that might be a clue.

Ok, here goes the log out and log in...

@NathanOsman Well, it looks like a big, red screen that says "The system ran into a problem that it couldn't handle."

Zacharee1

00:16

So the MC server wrapper I use is in development for a huge upgrade, with different locations for server files and a different API.

All my API stuff will be broken, but it's supposedly going to be much easier to use the API, and there is going to be proper documentation this time :D

Nathan Osman

I advise nobody to type this into a terminal:

nc rya.nc 1987

Waits for someone to do it...

chaskes

coool.

what's going on there?

Zacharee1

wat

chaskes

@NathanOsman So Hawaii is not going to run until wayland is finished, but notably for the first time Gnome on Wayland runs fine (wiki says right now they're only working on wayland gnome compat)

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman Scaaaaaaaary: nc: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known

Nathan Osman

00:25

@Zacharee1 You must have done something wrong...

Zacharee1

Do I need to be on a specific version of Ubuntu?

this is my 15.10 GNOME VM

Has Wily reached EOL?

So I found the guy developing CyanogenMod for my phone: blaustein.eps.jhu.edu/~hbadr1

Nathan Osman

No, not yet.

Zacharee1

Then why are all my sources returning 404?

could not reesolve hmmm

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 a copy of your errors would be nice.

could not resolve is DNS and means either the domain went away or there's a network issue on your end

Zacharee1

Or I just dont have a connection

Thomas W.

00:30

that too ("Network issue" :P)

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 you're still here.

Zacharee1

cable unplugged? This is a VM!

@NathanOsman I'm on the host

gtg

Nathan Osman

You can simulate a cable being disconnected in a VM...

I do that all the time to the Windows VMs that don't let you turn off Windows Update :D

Mateo

@NathanOsman I've installed in on my laptop, it is to the point that they got the store going with a few steps, and chrome ran

Nathan Osman

Oh?

Which packages do I need to try it out?

Mateo

00:35

plus.google.com/118110036346558083421/posts/ACyrK6AxDWc

Oh let me get the post from micheal

mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8

Then a small bit of depandancy hunting on those core apps, and it was just about there

then for running chrome, and other xapps

a small bit of terminal work or desktop file tweaking to run them with xmir

mutse.github.io/2015/11/08/howto-launch-desktop-apps-on-utouch

Wild Man

@Seth Just in case you have not seen this yet, here is the link to sign up for editing wiki's now. launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors

Seth

@WildMan oh very nice. They aren't removing members access tho right?

Thomas W.

@WildMan This would be for non-Members right?

'cause I still have access

Wild Man

@Seth I just checked and I can still sign in but all staff that will be editing wiki's on the forum are also applying for membership at that link.

@Seth I think eventually to be able to edit we all have to sign up their but I am waiting on clarification either way

Mateo

00:54

Intresting, I know I usually edit as I find things that need, think the last thing was change version numbers for the dvd decription page

chaskes

@WildMan I requested membership

Wild Man

@Mateo they had a lot of spam so they are attempting to get it under control

Mateo

yeah, wonder why there isn't more systems like stack

Wild Man

@chaskes I did to but I am still waiting.

chaskes

We'll see what happens.

Zacharee1

01:17

Let's make the VM connection a bridge

now it says Connecting

and still

Wild Man

@Seth and Thomas.w I was just told that as long as we already can edit wiki's then we do not need to apply at that link it is only for new people.

Thomas W.

cool

chaskes

@WildMan I got approved

Wild Man

@chaskes that is great!

chaskes

Is there a blueprint page for what to work on or do I just dive in?

Wild Man

01:30

Just a minute I was reading about that a few minutes ago I need to find a link.

@chaskes help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide that should help.

chaskes

@WildMan Great,thanks.

Nathan Osman

This is killing me:

I'm so tickled at the idea of a "checkup" for a corpse who's been cold and had no heartbeat for an hour. "Well, doctor, how is he?" — Dan Russell May 25 at 21:02

"The prognosis isn't very good." — paste May 25 at 21:30

LOLOLOL.

Zacharee1

lol

Wild Man

@chaskes there may be wiki's that need editing for Ask Ubuntu specifically maybe seth can tell you better then I about that

Henry WH Hack

Welcome back @Serg!

Zacharee1

01:35

@chaskes Well first of all, you need to write TROLOLOLOLOL for the title of every article

then you'll be properly initiated

chaskes

@Zacharee1 Well, ok, if you say so. ;)

Zacharee1

:p

Seth

@WildMan sweet

@fossfreedom chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30524038#30524038

chaskes

@Seth If you have any wiki editing suggestions (as suggested by WildMan), please let me know.

Thomas W.

@chaskes touch nothing :P

Zacharee1

01:40

lol

Thomas W.

nah i'm kidding, basically, don't edit things you aren't sure about

and certain areas are "don't touch" but are marked as such

Seth

@chaskes I stay pretty far away from the wiki if I can help it ;P

chaskes

@ThomasW. Well, I've got to say touching things I know nothing about is not really my style. And by implication I'm asking about the parts with an implicit "Please fix me"

Seth

I like the AU format because someone else has to think up the question, whereas wiki format you have to think up the question and the answer.

Wild Man

@ThomasW. that is true, I created a wiki it took me a month of testing different ubuntu versions and then someone edited with completely wrong information and I had to go and fix there edits.

Thomas W.

01:44

@WildMan confirmed from the Gods that Ubuntu Members need not apply to the group

Nathan Osman

I already have write access there.

I can edit pages.

Wild Man

@ThomasW. that is good to know

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman can edit pages? WERE DOOMED

Seth

yeah I just talked to popey

Thomas W.

@Seth oh hey you contacted the same Ubuntu Wiki Gods that I did heh

Seth

01:46

hehe

Zacharee1

@Seth you might like the G2. It's pretty modular inside. There are a few screws for covers, but then everything else is either snapped in or stuck down, and it's obvious where stuff goes

Seth

I like that.

Zacharee1

obviously, the adhesive wears away, but some Scotch tape or glue... :p

Just be careful with the screen. You break the digitizer and you can't use the phone

Nathan Osman

You do not want to know what the inside of a Nexus 5 looks like.

Zacharee1

o_O

why does that sound so creepy?

Thomas W.

01:52

because it is heh

Zacharee1

...

Thomas W.

nah, just kidding. Though, taking apart any phone, i've found them all to be evil/creepy

Zacharee1

wait, did LG make the Nexus 5?

Nathan Osman

Yes.

Zacharee1

Because it looks almost exactly like the inside of the G2 does

Nathan Osman

01:55

There's me soldering off the power button.

Zacharee1

oh right, why were you doing that?

Nathan Osman

Because: google.ca/#q=nexus+5+power+button

Zacharee1

and why is VMWare not giving network access to Ubuntu? I just made a fresh VM

o_O

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 has nothing to do with VMware not giving access

and everything to do with whether the adapters are configured on your host machine

correctly.

Zacharee1

idk how they would be

Thomas W.

01:57

what VMware solution, Player?

Wild Man

does anyone know if kernel headers and dkms is installed by default in ubuntu mate 16.04?

Zacharee1

VMWare is supposed to do that

Yeah, Player

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 did you reboot after installing Player (doesn't matter if host is Linux or Windows)?

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. yeah, 5 months ago

(I've had it installed for a while)

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 is the Bridged adapter set to the correct host network interface (so it uses an 'up' one)?

Zacharee1

01:58

uh

Thomas W.

I have three NICs on this computer, so for Workstation (godly form of PLayer with a lot more features) I have to make sure the NIC is connected to my wifi adapter for Bridged rather than otherwise.

@Zacharee1 unless you only have one NIC on your host, and that's connected, you may wish to use NAT

because I don't think Player gives the vNet settings config window anymore

Zacharee1

It is using NAT

Nathan Osman

NAT isn't going to let you access other devices on your local network.

You need bridged mode for that. At least in VirtualBox.

Zacharee1

Bridged mode at least makes it so the adapter is in an infinite Connecting loop

I just want internet

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 DHCP?

Zacharee1

01:59

yes

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 NAT should work for Internet.

Thomas W.

^ that

Nathan Osman

Can you ping 8.8.8.8?

Zacharee1

well it just says cable unplugged

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 go into the VM settings

Zacharee1

02:00

No, it says cable unplugged

Nathan Osman

Oh, the whole interface is down.

Thomas W.

go to the virtual network adapter

Zacharee1

yes

Thomas W.

does it show "Connected"?

Nathan Osman

Does the VM have the cable connected?

Zacharee1

02:00

NO

Nathan Osman

THEN CONNECT IT.

Zacharee1

in the VM, it says unplugged

Nathan Osman

:)

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 before you say waht the VM does or doesn't say

@Zacharee1 answer my question

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 In the VM - does that mean the hypervisor or the virtualized operating system?

Zacharee1

02:01

@ThomasW. he then goes on to spamping me

Thomas W.

1 min ago, by Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 go into the VM settings

1 min ago, by Thomas W.

go to the virtual network adapter

Zacharee1

let me answer something before you ask something else

Thomas W.

does it have the "Connected" check box

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman STOP

Nathan Osman

I had to correct the spelling...

Zacharee1

02:02

That's all I see

it's grayed out

Nathan Osman

"Connected" at the top is greyed out.

@Zacharee1 s/gray/grey/

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 is the VM in a powered off state right now

Zacharee1

yes

I can't edit the settings if it's on

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 and the host is Windows?

Zacharee1

Yes

@NathanOsman s/imamerican

Thomas W.

02:04

go into the Network Adapters page where you can list the whole set of network adapters on the system in Windows

screenshot

Zacharee1

It's messier than the Nexus 5

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 "grey" is the American spelling...

Zacharee1

Are you ready?

@NathanOsman uh

> Grey is the preferred spelling in British English, but gray is more common in American English.

www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/gray-or-grey

Nathan Osman

Wat.

You mean all this time...

Zacharee1

Nathan Osman

02:05

O_O_O

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman -_-

Pablo

@Zacharee1 hey if I downgrade does gnome downgrade too?

Zacharee1

It goes to whatever 14.04 came with

Pablo

video drivers update with time too?

Zacharee1

assuming you're actually doing a fresh install

yes

Pablo

02:16

yes fresh install

ok

Zacharee1

It's just 14.04; you know how it works

Pablo

im a newb bro

Zacharee1

well you used 14.04, didn't you?

Pablo

ok Ill give it a shot

nope just 16.04

the problem with this is

graphics drivers are sub par

I think

also getting error at boot NO UMS support in radeon module

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 Windows Firewall, or firewall inside of your antivirus?

Zacharee1

02:18

I think my firewall is off

I do have Malwarebytes

Thomas W.

try turning that off for a sec and test

Pablo

windows... xP

Zacharee1

I can't disable MB o_O

I think it doesn't have real-time protection

Pablo

did you check internet connection?

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 I should point out that there are a lot of headaches from a Virtualization perspective on Windows hosts, VMware or not

NAT should work out of the box

if you just applied VMware updates, restart

if you haven't, see if there's any fixpacks or such

Zacharee1

02:26

Well there's a small update

Guess I'll try it

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 which version of Player if I may ask?

Zacharee1

12.1.0 right now

Thomas W.

ok

Zacharee1

getting 12.1.1

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 It took me actually an hour to get the firewall working right on Windows with my Vmware Workstation setup

I assume this is a home computer

or your computer... not a workplace computer

Zacharee1

02:36

yeah

Firewall is off though AFAIK

yep, off on Private, Domain and even Public

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 which was the "yeah" in reply to, this being your own computer and not a workplace one?

Zacharee1

home

Thomas W.

okay, if you had said 'workplace' i'd say contact IT, workplace networks are far more tricky to make work

that said, I have two dedicated hypervisors now, so my VMware Workstation/Player machines are mostly in disuse :)

Zacharee1

I'm just going to give up on it for tonight

tomorrow, I'll reinstall VMWare

Nathan Osman

Have you tried Hyper-V?

Thomas W.

02:49

@NathanOsman not available last I checked for Windows editions less than Pro / Professional?

Nathan Osman

Oh.

I didn't realize we weren't talking Pro here.

Thomas W.

@NathanOsman Not sure, because E:NotTold

VMware can work on all versions of Windows.

Nathan Osman

Doesn't Hyper-V have a standalone server edition though that's free?

Thomas W.

@Zacharee1 Windows version? And is it a home edition, or pro edition, or what?

Zacharee1

7 Ult

Thomas W.

02:51

@NathanOsman I don't think so - embedded / free in Server editions, but...

3

Q: How to enable Hyper-V on Windows 7?

I am trying to enable Hyper-V on a windows 7 installation. I followed the instructions on MSDN without luck. There is no "Hyper-V" setting under my Windows Features. I do have all BIOS features enabled, and I can confirm this using the "coreutils" tool as described on the linked documentation....

it's a server-side feature

so no-go for Windows endpoint OS installs

(Win7 Ultimate for example)

Zacharee1

The VM used to work fine, so I'm just thinking it's VMWare

Thomas W.

@NathanOsman windows 8 and up maybe, but not windows 7

@Zacharee1 possibly. You may need to restart the system though

Zacharee1

idc

just want to sleep rn

Thomas W.

if it hasn't been rebooted in an eternity

ah, okay

well, bedtime for me because I have to be up early tomorrow. Good night, everyone!

edwinksl

03:12

@Serg seems like a question for you askubuntu.com/q/789484/15003

Serg

@edwinksl thanks will look into it

edwinksl

ez rep ;)

Serg

-15, op unaccepted my script and made his own

:/

edwinksl

that's piracy

Serg

Funny thing is that he also used main function in his own script

Terdon can be proud of me now lol

@edwinksl well , not exactly piracy . He wrote his own script which uses /sys/class/*/backlight instead of using qdbus like i do , something didn't work for him

edwinksl

03:18

i guess that's the price to pay for not using your script

things become broken

did you figure out the problem with your script for brightness?

the +1 hack

Serg

@edwinksl well that's the reason he wrote his own script - mine didn't work for him. Remember the one with remembering brightness at AC or battery ? that's the one

edwinksl

ah

so using .../backlight works without using that +1 hack?

Serg

@edwinksl it does but you have to use sudo for that script AND convert from actual number that the graphic card understands to percentage and so on and so forth

Serg

03:35

But I got another answer accepted , yey

Loose some and win some

edwinksl

slow down please, i need to catch up

Serg

lol , I am actually one of the slowest people around . Especially when it comes to eating.

Nathan Osman

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down.

edwinksl

Seth

@NathanOsman around?

Nathan Osman

03:48

Sure am.

Seth

nvm, it's not important.

Nathan Osman

That's okay.

Serg

argv !!! I can't get zenity to display window titles in a checklist

I quoted everything properly yo !

edwinksl

lol "argv"

Severus Tux

Hello :D :D

Serg

03:53

hi

edwinksl

wow bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373621#c69

Serg

3 generation bug O.o

Nathan Osman

O_o

I'm skeptical though...

> "Reported: 2007-03-12 03:34 PDT by Gissur Jonsson"

Severus Tux

I don't quite understand this , If I do any edits on any post, its changes instantly. But some times I see `edit(1)` and If I approve it, Then it waits for another person to approve!. If I give "Improve Edit", and improve it, It changes instantly.
I don't get why edits requires two approves ? System doesn't trust me ? Well then why my edits do changes instantly ?

Nathan Osman

Ah.

Now to figure out why this ModelSerializer is making fields up out of thin air...

Serg

04:07

zenity's checklist is very useful, but not with long strings . . . .sigh . . .and why it only works with arrays ? Why can I just use expansion ?

Pablo

04:28

hey guys is there a way to improve the radeon driver, with options like antiliasing openGL and other features

anyone?

running ubuntu 16.04 with the open source driver but it lacks openGL 4.1 for some games

anyone knows how to improve it?

@ci-netbox hey bud is there a way to improve open source driver?

edwinksl

@SeverusTux intriguing question about gnome software

Severus Tux

04:50

:)

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Serg

And yet another script is almost ready

arranging 3 windows

edwinksl

this is why you cannot be a mod

if you become a mod, will you have time to write scripts

Serg

I am sure I can balance it out

I write scripts at work

which is sort of laid-back work

but then again this is also why i don't complete all of my homework, only part of it

edwinksl

AU needs you more

Severus Tux

04:59

@Serg You are just too good. We don't want you to Spend time in clearing Flag Queues where you could do better stuffs like this.

Serg

eh . . . my stuff isn't that good of a quality anyway

But thanks for the kind words @edwinksl and @SeverusTux

Wild Man

night all

Serg

I've drafted a small script that asks for selecting 3 windows out of a list of all open windows, and will arrange them side by side. This script is still in development , very rough, but I'd like to know what you think of this so far. Script source is here Keep in mind, you need to have xdotool installed in order for this to work — Serg 21 secs ago

Edity

I modified the Samsung Over The Horizon to a s4 version.

Oh, new mods?

Serg

yup, election closed today

Edity

05:09

How elections pass so fast.

Serg

em . . . they're over already

Edity

I meant (how elections go so quickly)

Serg

oops, sorry, my eyes deceived me, i thought it was "pass so far "

Yeah, it's been only what , 8 days for elections ? 4 days of primaries, then 4 days of actual elections

Meanwhile , this guy has another scripting idea . . . . . . .

Edity

What are your evil, cackling plans now?

\

Serg

You'll see, hehe >:)

Edity

05:14

Some Unix Hell?

Serg

Oh, no . Something that has to do with desktop background . . . and periodic change of it

Edity

oh

Severus Tux

@Serg , Did you know this ? jokerdino's last answer was on Nov 29 2013 , StefanoPalazzo 's last answer was on Jun 2015, Seth - may 29 .
See ? they are doing other stuffs. You still believe you could balance ? Even If you could, It will still have effect.

Edity

Poor Tea-rex

Serg

hehe, i like that : tea-rex

Edity

05:18

tea-rex.... Ahhh

Severus Tux

@Serg You have command-line badge, could you throw somr light on askubuntu.com/questions/790034

Edity

some*

I wish I grew legs and scribble stuff.

Severus Tux

:P

But typos are okay as long as you can understand them. My opinion.

Edity

Even on your profile picture @SeverusTux

I will scribble a windows logo.

Severus Tux

Windows.. :O ewww....

Edity

05:23

I will spread WinRabies on your tux penguin

I can flag tho.... :D

Serg

@SeverusTux i am pretty sure Ubuntu already does have something like that. I'll look into it

Edity

Severus Tux

:)

Edity

@SeverusTux FEEL THE PAIN

Stefano Palazzo

Ah and good morning to you too.

Edity

05:28

@StefanoPalazzo Good morning

Severus Tux

Good morning :)

Serg

Just another day in paradise

Good morning, Stefano. Evening in Denver

Edity

And evening here too

Severus Tux

@Edity OMG 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 Windows!

Stefano Palazzo

Please don't use flags for fun

Apart from the windows flag. That's fine.

Martin - マーチン

05:29

I second that

Edity

:O

Severus Tux

hehehe :D

Edity

D:

I like the new mods

Wow Insta-kill

Severus Tux

Edity

@SeverusTux have you even used windows?

Severus Tux

05:30

A lot

Edity

are you bored of it?

Severus Tux

Joining Microsoft was my dream once.

Edity

I already did

Severus Tux

No, Now I am matured enough to figure out that its no match for linux

Edity

@SeverusTux Now drink the second bottle of pain!

Severus Tux

05:33

Hehehe... It doesn't affect me at all .

Edity

lol

I'm starting to like linux too

Nathan Osman

05:48

All I can say is:

3

Edity

LOL

edwinksl

@NathanOsman you are a true memelord

Nathan Osman

@edwinksl I do my best :D

Journeyman Geek

dang. I missed the elections. Heartiest ~~condolences~~ congratulations @ThomasW. and terdon, You poor deluded fool ;p

Nathan Osman

@JourneymanGeek You voted though, right? :)

Journeyman Geek

05:56

@NathanOsman I kiiinda missed that too

I voted in the primaries

Nathan Osman

Fair enough.

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