Ask Ubuntu General Room

Android Dev

19:00

@NathanOsman Yeah, "Good luck figuring it out :P" - good luck indeed.

Kaz Wolfe

still think thomas is on that list.

as is terdon?

Android Dev

Maybe he switched the order too.

user136984

Is anyone here using Wayland instead of X?

Nathan Osman

You're stabbing in the dark.

Byte Commander

@ParanoidPanda No.

Nathan Osman

19:00

@ParanoidPanda Wayland... what's that? :D

Bharadwaj Raju

@ParanoidPanda Or Mir.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman I'm trying to figure out by the position of the AU logos

user136984

@Nathan: It's the GNOME replacement for X. Like MIR.

Bharadwaj Raju

@ParanoidPanda I don't think it's a GNOME project

edwinksl

@KazWolfe i wrote a script to do that, jk

Nathan Osman

19:01

Wayland is not a Gnome project.

Bharadwaj Raju

but GNOME is the first DE to have a mostly-complete Wayland port

user136984

I didn't say it was... It's just that's what they're going to use.

Nathan Osman

> "Wayland is developed by a group of volunteers led by Kristian Høgsberg as a free and open community-driven project with the aim of replacing the X Window System with a modern, simpler windowing system in Linux and Unix-like operating systems."

- From here

Kaz Wolfe

so we have wayland, mir, and X

why

Nathan Osman

Time to write one display server to rule them all.

Bharadwaj Raju

19:02

Mostly because X is slow, insecure and hacky

user136984

Anyway, do you guys think that this is around the time that most Linux-distros are replacing X with something else better?

Kaz Wolfe

Nathan Osman

@BharadwajRaju This. And it's really difficult to configure.

@KazWolfe Exactly what I was thinking.

Videonauth

put them all together and call it then wirx the neyw systemd of the gui part of lunix

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Byte Commander

@KazWolfe Same thought.

Bharadwaj Raju

19:03

systemd-displayd

Nathan Osman

Please no.

Kaz Wolfe

@Videonauth It just wirx™!

3

Nathan Osman

Just... no.

Marco Ceppi

SystemD already does enough to overstep it's bounds

Kaz Wolfe

@MarcoCeppi systemd is love.

systemd is life.

Bharadwaj Raju

19:04

And systemd is death

Videonauth

WHy did I know that this will start a discussion ;) ?

Kaz Wolfe

i actually like it more than Upstart

but i'm weird

Bharadwaj Raju

Mostly because of bad decisions

Nathan Osman

There are parts of systemd I appreciate and other parts that make me go... "what in the world were they thinking?"

Kaz Wolfe

@Videonauth Spaces are better than tabs.

Videonauth

19:06

@KazWolfe right !

Bharadwaj Raju

4-width hard tabs! At least they adhere to a dev's IDE preferences.

Videonauth

I prefer 4 spaces

Kaz Wolfe

someone post a period. i bet it'll get starred, agian.

Bharadwaj Raju

And reduce file size

.

2

Nathan Osman

The binary logfiles bit me the other day when I was trying to figure out why my Pi wouldn't boot from the SD card I had. I didn't have a display or peripherals connected, so my only way of troubleshooting was to put the card in, boot, take the card out, stick it in another machine, and read the logs.

Kaz Wolfe

19:06

sigh

@BharadwajRaju You are banned from Ask Ubuntu General Discussion.

Bharadwaj Raju

The binary logfiles seem crazy.

test

user136984

Anyway, I think I will install Wayland...

Nathan Osman

A nuisance, yes.

Bharadwaj Raju

No I'm not

Videonauth

<-- getting popcorn

Nathan Osman

19:08

Who was telling me that Fedora 24 launched today?

Bharadwaj Raju

I think there was a way to get plain-text logs is systemd

Kaz Wolfe

@BharadwajRaju quora.com/Why-are-systemds-logs-stored-as-binaries

user136984

It currently only supports certain drivers but it should support mine...

Nathan Osman

Printers are evil.

2

Bharadwaj Raju

Sent from hell

chaskes

19:10

Printers are still very complicated

Nathan Osman

I had to resort to printing from OS X since Ubuntu simply would not print 4x6" photos correctly.

Bharadwaj Raju

They complicate what should be very simple

Nathan Osman

And this is the 21st century.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman theoatmeal.com/comics/printers

2

Nathan Osman

We have self-driving cars.

But we can't put ink onto paper yet.

Kaz Wolfe

19:10

printers have not improved since 1995

user136984

So far I have not got a printer to work with Ubuntu... :(

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe 1995? What was so good about printers in 1995?

Videonauth

yeah and we can find every person alive up to a meter exact by gps but still were loosing whole airplanes

Bharadwaj Raju

But no it Just Works™ printer

even on other OSes

chaskes

Communicating with the printer always reminds me of Star Trek trying to log in to an alien computer on a derelict spaceship they just found.

Nathan Osman

19:11

^--- this

Glares at HP...

Kaz Wolfe

glares at *everyone*

Bharadwaj Raju

I heard that we could just do cat to_print.jpg > /dev/lp0

Kaz Wolfe

and expiring ink cartridges. I want to meet the exec that thought of that one

Bharadwaj Raju

in the good ol' days

user136984

I really want to elections to be over... But at the same time, I really don't... :D

Kaz Wolfe

19:14

Fun fact. It's cheaper to buy a new printer than it is to buy ink.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe to be fair, they are chemicals. And they do undergo slow reactions over time that undoubtedly causes lower quality.

Kaz Wolfe

So whenever your printer runs out of ink, REPLACE IT ENTIRELY

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe *cough* loss leader *cough*

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman Not within the year and a half before the cartridge expires.

user136984

@Nathan: Toasters are more evil than Printers!

Bharadwaj Raju

19:15

Videonauth

@BharadwajRaju jep the jpg files looked like that here paste.ubuntu.com/17658087

user136984

I've caught several Toasters on fire... :D

Kaz Wolfe

or no... the moment when cartridges count in "pages" and one solid-color page equals a page with a single dot of that color on it

user136984

Had to throw them out of the window into the garden... :D

Bharadwaj Raju

@ParanoidPanda Relevant xkcd on Toasters: xkcd.com/293

Kaz Wolfe

19:16

@ParanoidPanda Do you want fire ants? Because that's how you get fire ants.

Byte Commander

My friend had an ink printer that always slammed its print head against its case so furiously that it almost jumped off the table after a few sheets...

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Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander so every HP printer ever

user136984

@ByteCommander: :D :D :D

Kaz Wolfe

laser printers are chill. But they're expensive af.

Byte Commander

Probably that poor print head just wanted to be freed from its tight jail...

Serg

19:21

Hi folks

Videonauth

hey hey @Serg

Kaz Wolfe

o/

Byte Commander

@ByteCommander: I tried running it without sudo already but it just told me there were no changes to make, could that change if I ran it with sudo? — Paranoid Panda 8 mins ago

Bharadwaj Raju

Election ends in 38 minutes

I'm so hyped

Serg

How's the election going ?

Byte Commander

19:21

@ParanoidPanda Why don't you just try it??? ^

Henry WH Hack

@Serg o/ :)

Byte Commander

@Serg How should we know?

user136984

@ByteCommander: Guess I could do... :P

Kaz Wolfe

hey question for elections. It's always first/second/third choice, right?

user136984

Just my Terminal crashed at the time so I couldn't do it then...

Serg

19:23

@ByteCommander i thought you guys already know de rezultz

Byte Commander

suuuure...

Kaz Wolfe

we know but we wont share

Rinzwind

my printers all work out of the box on linux.
HP <3

Bharadwaj Raju

@Serg Here, the results: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30515046#30515046

Byte Commander

I got a Brother ink printer.

Bharadwaj Raju

19:25

34 minutes!

Byte Commander

It used to work flawlessly, but recently it complains about some strange Init error when I power it on.

Serg

@BharadwajRaju well, my prediction didn't go that wrong. I kinda know who won now

Byte Commander

The only way to solve it is to open and close it.

Bharadwaj Raju

> Init error

Try systemd :)

Byte Commander

In the printer display, not on the computer.

Kaz Wolfe

19:27

1 min ago, by Bharadwaj Raju

Try systemd :)

Bharadwaj Raju

I'm pretty sure the printer runs some kind of embedded Linux

Byte Commander

Btw, we're flushing the star wall again today. The oldest starred (and not pinned) post is just 1h old.

Kaz Wolfe

floosh!

Videonauth

starwall.flush();

5

Kaz Wolfe

Windows 10 is better than Ubuntu.

4

Serg

19:28

By the way, did you guys know John Cena speaks Chinese ?

Bharadwaj Raju

@KazWolfe There you go

Kaz Wolfe

omfg

Serg

@KazWolfe not your personal army , don't tell us what to do . .. . Oh wait, this isn't 4chan is it ?

Thomas W.

***ATTENTION. ATTENTION. THIS IS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY BROADCASTING SYSTEM. IF THIS WERE A REAL EMERGENCY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ON THIS CHAT RIGHT NOW. NO ACTION IS NEEDED ON YOUR PART. AGAIN, THIS IS A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY BROADCASTING SYSTEM.

5

is bored

2

Nathan Osman

Duly noted.

Kaz Wolfe

19:30

*****BEEEEEEEP*****

Thomas W.

we have too much fun with the starwall :P

Videonauth

I case of fire, git commit, git push, leave building !!!

Stefano Palazzo

Now, here's my "Everything's Ok Alarm". THIS WILL SOUND EVERY 3 SECONDS, UNLESS SOMETHING ISN'T OKAY!

5

Bharadwaj Raju

My God. @KazWolfe Just edited something we all starred into 'Windows 10 > Ubuntu'

Serg

AskUbuntu zodiac room . . . Because stars

Bharadwaj Raju

19:31

Unstar!

Thomas W.

@KazWolfe HEATHEN!

Nathan Osman

Looks both ways.

Kaz Wolfe

@ThomasW. I told you not to star it!

Nathan Osman

I can... remove the stars >:)

Thomas W.

@KazWolfe I didn't :P

Kaz Wolfe

19:32

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        .--.
       |o_o |
       |:_/ |
      //   \ \
     (|     | )
    /'\_   _/`\
    \___)=(___/

Stefano Palazzo

What?

Kaz Wolfe

 ________________
< They peng-win! >
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       |o_o |
       |:_/ |
      //   \ \
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    \___)=(___/

Stefano Palazzo

haha

Serg

Yay, penguin puns

Kaz Wolfe

One thing's for sure. Math.SE doesn't have fun chats like this.

Seth

19:34

Math.se is actually sensible.

Android Dev

Thomas W.

@Seth sometimes, though, senselessness is useful :)

but I do agree with you

Stefano Palazzo

@NathanOsman would you edit out the word completely from that message for me?

Seth

@ThomasW. at times.

Nathan Osman

Alright - I have a shell one-liner to download the election data, compute the winners, and copy the result to the clipboard.

Serg

19:35

@KazWolfe because Math. SE talks only about sins and radicals . . . .

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Stefano Palazzo

ah

Android Dev

@Serg Hahahaha

Bharadwaj Raju

And how to get a tan

Seth

@NathanOsman what did you use for a backend to openstv? Last time I tried there was no backend.

Android Dev

@BharadwajRaju :)

edwinksl

19:36

math puns /facepalm

Stefano Palazzo

you must have know what was coming

Nathan Osman

@StefanoPalazzo I'm a bit confused. What am I supposed to edit?

Seth

@Serg that's brilliant .

Nathan Osman

@Seth Backend? The CLI tool?

Stefano Palazzo

I tought you might remove the word "completely", so it's "I am aghast"

Nathan Osman

19:36

Ah.

Seth

@NathanOsman there is one? What package?

Serg

Maybe i should ask them how do i integrate . . .into normal society. . . . .Although i don't derive pleasure from any of it

Thomas W.

@Seth openstv ?

Nathan Osman

@Seth openstv - the command you want is openstv-run-election.

But I'm not sharing my shell one-liner until after the election.

edwinksl

@Serg is on a roll

Nathan Osman

19:37

I don't want to lose my competitive advantage.

:)

Serg

@edwinksl not really actually, my head is pretty blank today

Byte Commander

Whoa, I should really refox.

Everything gets laggy once your swap grows to 500 MB...

Seth

@NathanOsman aha, that is why I could not find.

it*

Serg

Maybe i should have promised free pankakes for users over 1k in my nomination. That would be an advantage

Stefano Palazzo

We've had more than 1000 people vote

that's great

Seth

19:39

Sweet.

edwinksl

what's the turnout rate

Nathan Osman

@Serg or... bacon.

Seth

That is almost double last election

Thomas W.

@NathanOsman Awww, I wanted it so I could evaluate past data :P

Nathan Osman

But... that's practically cheating.

Marco Ceppi

19:39

20 minutes left

Nathan Osman

@ThomasW. You can. As soon as the election is over :D

Thomas W.

@NathanOsman heh

Kaz Wolfe

yay i now have a one-liner too

Android Dev

@KazWolfe I'm working on mine right now.

Byte Commander

^ same.

Serg

19:42

My nomination for future election: my name is bacon and i love bacon. Bacon bacon bacon and some more bacon. I have lots of bacon experience and used to work with bacon. My scripts involve mostly bacon shell. Let's make bacon great again

Nathan Osman

Quuuuuestion. Does Ubuntu Studio use a customized version of Xubuntu?

Seth

Should only take like 5 minutes to write your own.

@NathanOsman ya

Nathan Osman

Drat.

So that's why NitroShare doesn't work there.

I couldn't figure out why it was having issues since it ran fine in Xubuntu.

2.75 GB? Sigh...

Serg

We've been talking about it for the last 30 minutes

anonymous2

@Serg Oops, yup. :)

edwinksl

19:45

we should do an exit poll

Serg

sudo poll exit now

Android Dev

@Seth xclip isn't copying it to the clipboard!

Serg

@AndroidDev shift + insert

Try that

xclip -sel clip file. txt

Bharadwaj Raju

@Serg You mean sudo systemctl stop exitpoll.service

Android Dev

@Serg Any way to make it work wit ctrl+v?

Bharadwaj Raju

19:49

10 minutes left I am so excited

Videonauth

alias toclip='xclip -sel clip'

Kaz Wolfe

You get a one-liner! You get a one-liner! EVERYONE GETS A ONE-LINER!

Rinzwind

i.imgur.com/grXqcNw.mp4

2

Serg

@AndroidDev i think it should work with ctrl v but i usually use shift instert

Rinzwind

:X

Bharadwaj Raju

19:50

9 minutes

anonymous2

@BharadwajRaju You can't get in if you didn't nominate, BTW. :) Just kidding, I'm excited too.

Serg

sudo election -results -NAU

anonymous2

@Serg whatis election

Jacob Vlijm

which election

anonymous2

In the terminal.

Bharadwaj Raju

19:53

election: nothing appropriate.

anonymous2

:)

Bharadwaj Raju

Goodness

Type man sex in the terminal

Serg

Just for the lolz, i actually have a function in my .mkshrc whatis, and if you provide argument love, it will spit out the next line

Bharadwaj Raju

do it

O my actual god there is a man page for sex

Thomas W.

you can stop now

user136984

19:54

Oh dear, what on earth are you people talking about now again?

Serg

I am sure people don't need manual for that

anonymous2

@ParanoidPanda Absolutely useless topics. It's what happens when little kids get excited.

Bharadwaj Raju

Nah, sex is a utility:

andrew.46

This needs some work: fortune -o -m 'election'

Bharadwaj Raju

> sex allows the invoker to have sex with the user(s) specified in the command line. If no users are specified, they are taken from the LOVERS environment variable.
Options to make things more interesting are as follows:

anonymous2

19:55

Ok, we don't really need to hear it...

Serg

O. o

Kaz Wolfe

what the

user136984

@BharadwajRaju: What the hell?!

user136984

Is he joking?

Bharadwaj Raju

@ParanoidPanda from man sex

user136984

19:56

I hope he is...

Thomas W.

@ParanoidPanda Or he's waiting for someone to poke a mod

Kaz Wolfe

┌─[12:56:08]─[kazwolfe@BlackFire]
└──> ~ $ man sex
No manual entry for sex

Thomas W.

but yes he is

user136984

Yeah, what is that? Some joke package?

Serg

I haz no such manual . . . .and dont need one

Bharadwaj Raju

19:56

hmm

maybe

user136984

Only once you have installed a package do you have its manual page...

Kaz Wolfe

ELECTION HYPE

Bharadwaj Raju

2 MINUTES

Kaz Wolfe

LESS THAN 3 MINUTES REMAINING

Serg

Let me guess, I'm still gonna be on the 5th place

Bharadwaj Raju

19:58

1 MINUTE

Kaz Wolfe

whose script will hit first?

PLACE YOUR BETS

Thomas W.

@KazWolfe Shog's script shall hit first :P

Serg

oh god

Videonauth

terdon

Aye, probably

Bharadwaj Raju

19:58

10 secs

Serg

May shog haz mercy on our rep

Thomas W.

@BharadwajRaju your clock is off

Nathan Osman

Get ready...

Serg

sudo ready

Kaz Wolfe

30 SECONDS

Serg

19:59

everybody F5 as hard as u can

Kaz Wolfe

15 SECONDS

anonymous2

5 secs

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