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Q: How come my questions aren't being answered?

why aren't my questions being answered? It seems like they aren't noticed... Most of my questions have no answers or votes. Am I doing something wrong?

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thebluesquirel

Hi

anyone here know anything about networking?

Serg

@thebluesquirel depends on how technical it is . Our resident networking pro isn't online right now

thebluesquirel

hi

I don't think it's "super" advanced...

RX packets:59836 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:1403074

My internet's very slow.... I'm guessing it has something to do with "frame"...?

Rinzwind

spotify premium accounts got compromized

thebluesquirel

???

Any idea what's causing the errors?

Serg

21:09

Well . . . no idea what frame is . . .

thebluesquirel

does all this look ok?

Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: 58:6D:8F:64:BE:69
Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Power Management:off

lo no wireless extensions.

eth0 no wireless extensions.

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:9e:01:25:28:0d
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

lo Link encap:Local Loopback

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel nothing wrong there(?)

thebluesquirel

could it be any of this in /etc/sysctl.conf?

Serg

@thebluesquirel the ifconfig wont show you errors , it's only statistics

thebluesquirel

net.core.rmem_default = 524288
net.core.rmem_max = 524288
net.core.wmem_default = 524288
net.core.wmem_max = 524288
net.ipv4.tcp_wmem = 4096 87380 524288
net.ipv4.tcp_rmem = 4096 87380 524288
net.ipv4.tcp_mem = 524288 524288 524288
net.ipv4.tcp_rfc1337 = 1
net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc = 0
net.ipv4.tcp_sack = 1
net.ipv4.tcp_fack = 1
net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 1
net.ipv4.tcp_timestamps = 1
net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 0
net.ipv4.route.flush = 1
net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1

SmokeDetector

21:12

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Trojans found in System32 when scanning my Windows 7 partition, what should I do? by Anti.Josh on askubuntu.com …

thebluesquirel

and this is in dmesg...

f_event_max_sample_rate to 12500
[ 3811.990201] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)
[ 3811.990213] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_get_tx_power : error (-1)
[ 3826.083926] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)
[ 3826.083938] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_get_tx_power : error (-1)
[ 4199.912715] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)
[ 4199.912730] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_get_tx_power : error (-1)
[ 5270.502509] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)
[ 5270.502527] ERROR @wl_cfg80211_get_tx_power : error (-1)
[ 5282.311977] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)

Any ideas?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Serg Hey, speak for yourself!

@thebluesquirel Nothing wrong there!

thebluesquirel

Is there anyway to make my internet faster?

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel here we go... you installed the 3rd party driver for bcmwl?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel Could you post the link to your question here so I can have a look at all your info?

thebluesquirel

21:18

I can't post questions any more...

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel Why?

thebluesquirel

I kinda lost some reputation one day and got mad so I posted a rant...

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel noob! :+) Now answer my question ;-)

thebluesquirel

My reputation dropped and then increased....

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

OK, forget about that: Have you installed the 3rd party driver for bcmwl?

thebluesquirel

21:20

not sure...

Rinzwind

if he answer that I am going to clubber him :=)

thebluesquirel

there's 2 sets of drivers In the "drivers' section

Rinzwind

well see what
sudo apt-get purge bcmwl-kernel-source
sayds

thebluesquirel

Already did that about 2 times...

Rinzwind

those errors you posted look related to the 3rd party driver

thebluesquirel

21:21

speedtest.net/my-result/5103434569

Rinzwind

(and the one that is bugged for your nic)

thebluesquirel

The other driver is extremely slow

and unstable

Rinzwind

same problem: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2246392

bug report: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1360887

muru

SE down?

Rinzwind

oh did you post the ubuntu version you are usng?

thebluesquirel

21:24

how do I find out in the terminal...?

I know there's a command but I keep forgetting...

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@muru Not that I can see...

Rinzwind

cat /etc/lsb*

@muru nope(?)

thebluesquirel

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=15.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=vivid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 15.04"

muru

Hmmm. I'm getting Cloudflare pages

thebluesquirel

Haven't upgraded because I'm waiting for the newest one

muru

21:25

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel 15.04 is not supported any more

thebluesquirel

???

Rinzwind

@muru I get a list of questions :=(

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel You should have installed 14.04 LTS (Long Time Support) then...

Rinzwind

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW that'll be worse for his wifi :+)

thebluesquirel

21:26

What's a proprietary driver

muru

Yep, it's back online now,

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel a driver made by a company like nvidia or amd

thebluesquirel

Ah

not open source I think..?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel You're running an unsupported version of the OS, So I'm bailing...

Rinzwind

so not a native driver (one made by the owner of the operating system or the community)

thebluesquirel

21:27

Can I upgrade to the beta of 16.04?

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel reason I asked: the bug has a note that kernel 3.19 works with your card

but 15.04 already has 3.19 I believe :P

thebluesquirel

I don't like 15.04 code's name

So i'm waiting for 16.04...

Is there a way to upgrade early?

Will upgrading to 16.04 help?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel Nope, that's unsupported too...

thebluesquirel

ok

What should I do?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Install a supported OS like 14.04 or 15.10

Then look here

thebluesquirel

21:35

Why isn't 15.04 supported???

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel cuz a non LTS only has 6 months

I would install 15.10

thebluesquirel

ok

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

then compare your WiFi speed with cabled speed and if you still have problems it's your router or ISP

thebluesquirel

Ok thanks

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel This is why:

4

Q: How do I decide what version of Ubuntu to install?

This question is here just to avoid you choosing the wrong Ubuntu version number. So, this is not about: Which flavour of Ubuntu to choose? nor about choosing the Server or Desktop version... nor Which desktop environment should I install? nor Which Ubuntu is best for my hardware? nor What...

versions

thebluesquirel

21:37

Quick question

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel Have you read the above already and upvoted?

:P

thebluesquirel

Why can't I run unity on my netbook?

is 1gig of ram not enough?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@thebluesquirel Apparently you did not read above...

That answers all of those kinds of questions.

Seth

Likely it's not your RAM (although 1GB is very little) but your netbook's graphics capacity.

Rinzwind

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW dont push it :=)

Seth

21:39

Unity is very graphics intensive.

Have a look here and especially read the first answer, section How to ask good questions. You ask very short questions, which are unanswerable with the info you give, except this one which is a duplicate waiting to happen. (Just my 2 cents. Disclosure: I'm not a mod) — dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW 28 mins ago

Rinzwind

@thebluesquirel that is not alot but netbooks tend to have low graphics too

thebluesquirel

So far I've been using lxde

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Also true! -----^

Seth

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW You don't need to add a disclaimer to your comments. You are just as qualified as I am to answer things ;)

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

(listen to the guys in blue! They're the smartest among us!) @thebluesquirel

Rinzwind

21:40

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW mods are nothing special :=) you can clubber them too if you want

Seth

Mods are not super users.. just normal users invested with more work.

(work we can't get out of either! :P)

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Rinzwind Clubber/clubber/clubber Rinzwind! ;-)

Rinzwind

hmm I might keep my head low after asking a mod to help with a edit :-P

thebluesquirel

?????

@Rinzwind ????

So is there a list of rules for chat?

user136984

What do you guys think of this by the way? I think it's beautiful:

user136984

21:48

SuMetal

►

user136984

:)

Seth

@thebluesquirel chat.stackexchange.com/faq, askubuntu.com/help/be-nice

and to a lesser extent the Ubuntu CoC: ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct

Rinzwind

@ParanoidPanda starts of too slow for one :+

But very cute :+)

thebluesquirel

...

user136984

@Rinzwind: I like music like that. Reminds me of sort of 70s 80s music (when music was good)...

user136984

21:51

@Rinzwind: Beautiful is a better word I think.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@ParanoidPanda Be honest: You're just looking at this for the girls! :P

@ParanoidPanda When I was a kid and you weren't born yet!

:D :D :D

thebluesquirel

gtg

Thanks for the help

user136984

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW She is very beautiful, and that is partly true, but I also really like the music.

user136984

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I'm not saying I was alive then, just that the music of that era was good! :D

Rinzwind

@ParanoidPanda I like Babymetal more. 3 times the cuteness. And louder.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

21:54

@ParanoidPanda I like this better

Rinzwind

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW DOOKIE!

Only cd I liked from them :P

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Rinzwind yup...

user136984

:D

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

And Prince's let's party ... like it's 1999 is good too!

and don't forget about this one! Very good!

Rinzwind

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I am the biggest Prince fan here :=)

saw him live almost 40 times

1st time august 1986 ;=)

user136984

21:59

@Rinzwind I think I prefer her solos to BABYMETAL when there are 3 of them.

Rinzwind

@ParanoidPanda listening to gimme chocolate :+0

user136984

They are just different styles.

Rinzwind

Babymetal. The only 3 16 year-ish old grrls that can start a mosh pit _O-

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Depeche mode - Enjoy the silence

user136984

@Rinzwind: What is a "mosh pit"?

Rinzwind

22:01

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW in regards to that I refer you to Orgy - Blue monday :=) youtu.be/aJZTfl3DmCU

@ParanoidPanda how to explain that one :P

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Rinzwind Yes! Very good!

Rinzwind

@ParanoidPanda here is a VERY BIG ONE: youtu.be/fgBseiTlDTE

he calls it a "circle pit" ;-)

ooooooooh wicked! I was at the concert :D that's weird. Just randomly picked one on YT

this is a better one: youtu.be/vXmFibhbkhI

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Look at these hairdo's

Nathan Osman

I think I found a bug in Roundcube...

DB Error: [7] ERROR:  duplicate key value violates unique constraint "contacts_pkey"

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@ParanoidPanda Here is the biggest single hit ever

user136984

22:11

@Rinzwind: Ah, I see... :D

Nathan Osman

Oh hang on... I wonder if a sequence column in PostgreSQL has an incorrect value.

That should be relatively easy to fix with psql.

user136984

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW: Well, that's strange... :D

user136984

Anyway, goodnight guys! :)

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@ParanoidPanda Which one? (Use replies)

@ParanoidPanda Pumpkin!

user136984

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW: Your latest message to me. :P

Rinzwind

22:15

@NathanOsman that is probably it :p

damn those grammies need more spice :P

Nathan Osman

@Rinzwind Yup, that was it. A sequence number needed to be reset.

Rinzwind

bb2m

shaggy

22:35

hello everyone

Nathan Osman

@shaggy Hi.

shaggy

tried asking in unix/linux chat, but noone really seems to fancy an answer or even much acknowledgment that my question even exist. haha

@NathanOsman well hello

Nathan Osman

@James I have done the unthinkable - I'm learning Angular :D

@shaggy That room isn't very busy and there aren't too many people around on a Saturday.

shaggy

@NathanOsman eh I figured, I saw that there was more traffic here, so now.. here I am :D

anywho... was just curious on peoples .02$.

Nathan Osman

Which question?

shaggy

22:40

am looking to fully take the plunge, I need some new hardware(my mac's logic board went out on me ...) trying to find a nice portable laptop with solid linux hardware support, a good community behind it, and most importantly financially practical(ont he cheaper end)

I was originally looking into the thinkpad lineup, but now have discovered the chromebook option

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@shaggy system76.com

shaggy

and was just curious what people had to say about that, if there were any natively installed chromebook useres on here, or if someone had another suggestion

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW exploring this now. thanks for you input backup :D

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@shaggy ChromeBooks are notoriously difficult to install Ubuntu on.

They don't support grub and you need stuff like crouton (which is off-topic here as not developed by canonical)

Also stay away from anything that isn't listed here like Kali, Mint, ...

@shaggy: that's about it... Oh, and get 14.04.4 LTS (=Long Time Support)

(unless you like installing everything again every 6-9 months)

shaggy

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW yeah that was definitely something I was worried about, I don't know if chroot would hinder my learning experience or not. But I really am just trying to find a modern, portable, hardware supported linux machine, that I will be able to learn a lot from as far as desktop linux goes.

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I don't and thanks for the heads up.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Read this too:

here

shaggy

22:49

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW thanks for the resources, and I will do my best to remain relevant and to stay on topic. as far as distros go, I figure Ill be trying out both Kubuntu and Lubuntu(if machine is older) and picking one of those 2 I assume.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Good idea...

@Mateo: translating... What does "Get Terminal" mean? (Download, open, something else)

shaggy

system76 looks like some decent hardware, but If possible, since this is my first linux machine, I would like to either buy second hand or something with lowerend hardware, to keep the price down. Was just curious if there were any users on here with a laptop similar to what I'm looking for.

either way, thanks for the help, and info.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

23:04

@shaggy How low end and how old are you willing to go?

Nathan Osman

@shaggy Dell machines work pretty well (at least they did for me).

shaggy

well originally I was planning on just getting and old ibm/lenovo thinkpad(t61/x60).. then I discovered the c720 chromebook and kinda have been looking for something more modern(than the old thinkpads) since

Nathan Osman

Although the last release (Ubuntu 15.10) has really messed up the audio on that machine.

Dell's Inspiron line is usually pretty affordable - and up-to-date.

shaggy

@NathanOsman yeah I think I'll be going with 14.04 LTS if anything... I'd be fine with dell, everyone I've ever owned had battery issues but other than that, if its nice it portable I'd be open to it as long as there is hardware support OOTB

Nathan Osman

For the record, I haven't had any battery issues on this machine. And it was manufactured in 2011.

I can still get about an hour on a full charge.

shaggy

23:11

@NathanOsman well thats good to hear, I could be totally wrong about that, I just had 2 older XPSs and they had some heating issues, and a hotpotato battery lol

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman Do you charge and discharge regularly?

(or leave it plugged in all the time?)

shaggy

^^^

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@shaggy Don't! Then you'll have battery issues with any machine!

shaggy

I always fully charge and fully discharge my batteries everytime..

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@shaggy Aah! Sorry!

Good boy! Who's a good boy??? ;-)

shaggy

23:13

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW haha its okay I can see how that would be misunderstood

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

BRB

Nathan Osman

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I keep it charged and perform shallow discharges once-in-a-while.

It gets used around the house quite a bit - usually connected to AC but occasionally on battery when a plug isn't easily accessible.

When it comes to Lithium-ion batteries, shallow discharges are better for the battery cells than full discharges. The optimal storage charge is about 70% of its fully-charged capacity.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman Yes! Never charge completely!

Nathan Osman

Two things damage lithium-ion batteries: frequent full discharges and heat.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

But modern batteries never discharge completely!

Anyway, I NEED A SMOKE!

Nathan Osman

23:15

If you can avoid both, you'll have many happy years with your battery :D

Also, for what it's worth, batteries are replaceable components.

shaggy

@NathanOsman thats something I was unaware of, I've herd of never completely discharging but never to not fully charge. makes sense

Nathan Osman

So if one breaks, you can usually replace it for a fairly reasonable price.

shaggy

@NathanOsman this is true

just being a linux machine, I would hope to have a reasonable amount of 'unplug' time .. I mean thats part of the importance of the portability

Nathan Osman

@shaggy Indeed. Every once in a while (perhaps once every two months, depending on how much you use it), a full discharge is recommended to ensure the battery level indicator stays calibrated. That way, the "remaining hours of use" message stays accurate.

shaggy

and linux is relatively resource light.. maybe not ubuntu.. but in general haha

Nathan Osman

23:18

Yes, true :)

shaggy

@NathanOsman very good info, thanks for that.

Nathan Osman

My one suggestion when looking for a new laptop is to make sure you're happy with the parts that can't easily be upgraded (video card, CPU, etc.). Memory and HD can easily be upgraded down the road but other components can't.

shaggy

looking at inspiron 11 3000 series. pretty close to what im looking for. celeron 2 core processor. would really like a little more RAM, but other than that everything else is light enough and the price is right

Nathan Osman

I bought a Mac Mini with 4 GB of RAM soldered onto the motherboard. Now there's no way for me to add more :P

shaggy

@NathanOsman indeed. Im not looking for anything to fancy, I wont be gaming or rendering anything graphic intense. I just want a solid machine to surf the web, write code on, and most importantly immerse myself into the world of linux natively.

Nathan Osman

23:22

In that case, the only thing you really want to look for is RAM. That's going to be your biggest bottleneck, likely.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman I worked for Apple as a supplier: never buy any Apple products etc...

Nathan Osman

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW ...unless you have to, like me :D

shaggy

yea if I could run 8GB, that would be great.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@shaggy Buy a second-hand Vista PC with 4G of ram and run 14.04.4 LTS Desktop...

Nathan Osman

I do lots of programming, web development, etc. and 8 GB has almost always been enough.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

23:23

(upgrade the HDD though)

Nathan Osman

The only time I ever started suffering from lack of RAM was when I was editing 4K video in Kdenlive.

shaggy

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW eh some of their older machines went strong, but I agree at this point in there history and honestly thats what I'm making the switch from. My 15" MBP needs a logic board replaced..

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

free --human
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3.8G 3.4G 354M 401M 35M 1.5G
-/+ buffers/cache: 2.0G 1.8G
Swap: 7.6G 6.9M 7.6G

Nathan Osman

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW We have an HP laptop from 2007 that shipped with Vista and now has 3 GB of RAM. Still runs 15.10 with no problems.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman Yeah, 3G is harder to find then 4G and the extra cache is nice! :P

Nathan Osman

23:25

It shipped with 2GB and I threw another 1 GB in after buying it.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Most people will double the RAM when they upgrade...

(well... I did)

Nathan Osman

I put it in myself :D

shaggy

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW yup thats what I did, I upped to 18gb in my MBP, and well.. needless to say, From now on, 8gb will suffice

it was unnecessary

Nathan Osman

^--- does that template look cheesy enough?

shaggy

as ubuntu users, are you able to watch full 1080p video?

@NathanOsman nailed it

if you were going for cheese :D

Nathan Osman

23:31

@shaggy Yup, I can even get 4K video playing fine.

It struggles to play 4K video @ 60fps though :D

shaggy

@NathanOsman sweetness, is that native, or do you have to download other repositories

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

Woow! Total lightdm crash...

log out and everything!

Nathan Osman

@shaggy It didn't require any customizations on my part.

I have a high-end Radeon video card though - no idea if that made a difference.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman I just tried to find cheesier, but it's difficult, so I'd say: yes, cheesy enough!

@shaggy Yes, on en external monitor

@NathanOsman it does: I need to enable my nVidia card to drive my external monitor to be able to go that high...

Intel just won't cut it! :(

Nathan Osman

My Mac Mini is the only machine I've ever owned that could play 4K @ 60fps without skipping.

And it has integrated video :P

shaggy

23:40

@NathanOsman wow thats impressive. whats the card?

or actually specs on the whole box?

Nathan Osman

One sec...

Intel HD Graphics 5000 apparently.

It was the cheapest Mac I could get my hands on :P

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Rinzwind o/

Rinzwind

\o

Seth

@NathanOsman linuxfestnorthwest.org/2016

(smack me if I've already shown you that and forgot)

Rinzwind

@Seth that is an invite to a free smack >:-D

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

23:53

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Q: how do I make sda1 or sdb1 bigger

Hi I'm working with a cloud service and when I clone a VM (This is for Google) I type lsblk after I ssh into it and I don't see why the partition sda1 is only 10 GB which is only 10% of what I paid for. I am not a linux admin at all and I really don;t know what this means. Why is the partition ...

ubuntu mount disk-usage disk cloud

Seth

@Rinzwind hey! I have a better memory than that :P

(iirc?)

Nathan Osman

@Seth No, you didn't.

Seth

:D

You're closer than I am!

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@ByteCommander @cl-netbox @A.B. German translators needed! (cc:@Mateo)

Nathan Osman

I know, but I can't cross the border until I get a passport >.<

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

23:55

:-)

@NathanOsman You don't have a passport???

Nathan Osman

I wonder what running Ubuntu on this would be like...

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

(In Europe, only hillbillies have no passport)

Nathan Osman

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW Nope.

Seth

Does Canada do the "enhanced" drivers license thing?

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@NathanOsman Too expensive??? :D

Rinzwind

23:56

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW not true. In Holland a driver license can be used as an identification for Belgium and Luxembourg

Nathan Osman

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW The US is the only country within thousands of miles from here. And if I don't ever visit, it should come as no surprise I don't have one :D

Seth

In my state I can get a drivers license with an RFID chip and use that to cross into Canada (and Mexico iirc)

Nathan Osman

@Seth Yes.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Seth WTH is an "enhanced" DL?

Nathan Osman

But I also don't have a full driver's license >.<

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW I think it has an RFID chip. It's good for the land crossings.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

23:57

@Rinzwind Yeah, but everyone has one at home in a drawer...

(that't what I mean with "carry")

Seth

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they

Nathan Osman

Yeah, we have those too.

Rinzwind

@dn-ʞɔɐqɹW nope. we also have the "identification card" that is only for Holland itself It is a cheaper version of a passport

Nathan Osman

They're about half the price of a passport though :P

Might as well get the real thing and be good for 10 years.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Rinzwind Do you have a passport? Does your mum have one?

Seth

23:58

I'd personally just get a passport. I don't like the idea of my DL having a chip in it.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

@Seth a chip is no probs!

Rinzwind

We have 2 id cards in the Netherlands cuz if we had one the law states the government has to issue them for free. Now they can charge for it.

Nathan Osman

Plus if you change your address, you'll have to pay to get a new driver's license.

dn-ʞɔɐq ɹW

an RFID chip is!

You can read those from a mile away!!!

(with the proper antenna and output power)

Nathan Osman

*cough* lead card holders *cough*

Seth

23:59

I forget you Europeans have other chips.

Rinzwind

I have cuz of work. My mum has 1 too; she went to Israel last year :)
But I know a lot that do not have one

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