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17:04
Hey guys. A SE moderator just closed this.
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Q: What lenses for Unity are available?

AlaukikWhat lenses are available for Unity? If the lens has (a) scope(s) remember to add them to your answer as well.

What is the status of software-recommendation?
Okay or not okay?
@jjohanedwards Tread on thin ice.
Software-Recommendations really aren't on topic.
That's fine, I'm just curious what the consensus is.
I tried to make it worth while:
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Q: How to run the Software Recommendation tag

Marco CeppiWe get quite a few software-recommendation questions. I'd like to bang out an expected format for these questions to prevent them from melting into too localized or subjective trite. What are tips for formatting stellar software-recommendation questions? How should answers be provided?

ouch
the indicator one is like one of the best ones on the internet
oh well
jrg
jrg
Ouch, so what can we do (or not do)?
17:06
why close that?
Oh it was HedgeMage!
:)
plots to bug HedgeMage
"Sorry to ruin your fun, but poll/list questions are not allowed on any SE site, per the FAQ. Getting bad questions to stick around is not what Community Wiki is for."
Lol?
Not to over react - but that almost makes me wish AU was independent. We will always have fringe cases of that sort.
(It came about through a tangentially related meta if anyone is curious)
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Q: How to ask a question with a template already created for answers?

Eliah KaganThis question has a template already created for answering it. That is, instead of the answer textbox starting out empty, it starts out with this text in it: [![Tagline to show on mouseover][1]][2] [1]: http://image-url [2]: http://clickthrough-url Now, granted, a template like this would ...

flies in via a laggy slow connection
holy god i was right, its the invasion of the Ollies
we are oli. resistance is futile.
jrg
jrg
@MarcoCeppi Is there anything that we (as a community) could do to save our beloved software tag?
now you cant use that last line unless you're the Borg
and I have it on good authority they're dead
since i killed them all :P
17:16
@jrg I'll talk to them
jrg
jrg
Ok. I don't seem to remember them making noise about that before, so it was (needless to say) surprised.
@MarcoCeppi at least you arent one of the Ollies :P
I'm hungry. What's for lunch?
jrg
jrg
@TheEvilOne he was
@RolandTaylor the software tag xD
@jrg i know, but he isnt no more
17:17
:D
I'm not actually hungry :D
jrg
jrg
ew, eating the software recommendation tag for lunch would be pretty not cool.
@MarcoCeppi could i bug you for some support on my ubuntu membership application?
i.e. a testimonial (unless you'll be around Thursday Nov. 17 at about 23:59:00 UTC, in which case show up at the meeting of the regional board)
jrg
jrg
@TheEvilOne poke me again and Ill go for it
(a testimonial thingy)
@TheEvilOne Link?
17:19
sec.
you do packaging right?
holy god, what is this, a dialup connection...?
(yes that's my full name)
@RolandTaylor yes, but not enough to get reconized by the MOTUs as a full time packager
although i've got myself in consideration for backporting things... :P
But you help others with packaging correct?
when necessary, yes.
Like how you did the tutorial on here?
17:22
mhm
Okie
will write a testimonial
lurks in #ubuntu-packaging on irc for that reason
eats a small kitten (yes that was random)
then of course i started lurking in #ubuntu-motu, and i havent left xD
What, how can you eat a kitten? :O
17:23
:O
just wanted to use italics one more time
words, words, words
Can you answer this? Wrong audio volume at boot http://askubuntu.com/questions/57238/wrong-audio-volume-at-boot #sound
Italics is awesome, now, is there Bold available?
Yes... BOLD TEXT exists.
As do BOLD ITALICS!!!
<s>hello world</s>
:-(
17:25
@Icedrake ^
d'aw, @htorque :P
lies. there is no bold, only -strike- :)
Holy Bold is available~
-oh come on-
you can't always get what you want...
17:26
-- dammit --
How do you type in Bold? I must know! >:O
_ test _?!?!!?!
jrg
jrg
**more bold**
it worked before!
bold
bah
17:27
@Icedrake **TEXT** = TEXT
that's italic
Awesome, thanks!
please, tell me otherwise
Heheheh
jrg
jrg
17:27
Lame, it doesn't do the # for h1 tags
before Marco throws us in the sandbox
*Trying this just for the sake of it...*
Well, I guess 4 asterisks don't do anything, lol.
no, but three do :P
HOLY GOD BOLD ITALICS!
and with that i'm done
Now to figure out how to make a CS4 type avatar using GIMP...
jrg
jrg
17:30
Fluxbox dependencies - people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/fluxbox/fluxbox-deps.png [warning: HUGE PNG]
refuses to look
@Icedrake use Inkscape :)
you should try the Sugiyama algorithm on that :D
@RolandTaylor Inkscape is pretty awesome indeed, but can it get the shadows and everything I have in my current avatar? Made this one when I was in Windows with Photoshop.
Yes it can
It takes some technique, but you can do it :)
How to Format Messages .... chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting
17:32
Awesome
By the way, anyone finding that Adblock no longer blocks ads in YouTube videos?
This is in Chromium btw
@TheEvilOne my testimonial is a weee bit shabby I think - but I'll improve it :)
just remind me!
I still don't know what's the equivalent shortcut for "crtl+shift" in Ubuntu
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Q: GNOME 3.2 Menu Not Loading

user30280Gnome 3.2 Menu is not loading. I wanted to add a minimize and maximize to the right of my windows. So I did the following: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close" logout and login that it per the instructions of this website: Instr...

jrg
jrg
what does ctrl-shift do in windows?
what is that question really asking??????
@Explorer is that a key that gives you access to unicode or something?
17:43
right and left align
oh
is this in LibreOffice?
no, works everywhere in Windows
hmm
I never knew about it tbh
I have an option for it in my context menu, but I don't know the keyboard shortcut for it
@RolandTaylor not bad :)
I'll try to make it smoother, just remind me :)
17:48
@RolandTaylor what's it?
@Explorer I see something that says "insert right to left control character"
And also there is the option to change your keyboard layout I think
Are you using Ubuntu 11.10?
yeah
okie
Found it :D
woot
1 sec taking some screen shots
i have the indicator of language or what ever it is called
HEY! What happened to my pinned message?
What anti-Oli user took that down?
jrg
jrg
17:53
13 hours ago, by George Edison
http://askoli.quickmediasolutions.com/
Looks like it's still got stars.
What a shiz show. I cant seem to get Exim4 on my EC2 server to stop freezing mail.
Oli appreciate day aside, since Community Wiki is not the appropriate means for polls/lists questions
@Explorer yes, the ibus indicator
but I found an easier option :)
What other ways could we organize the information in these questions to help the Ubuntu community?
jrg
jrg
Hm.
17:55
I went afk just now sorry - but back now so I'm gonna take screenshots to make it easy for you to find
One idea was to put them in their respective tag wikis
jrg
jrg
That doesn't make them super obvious though
I agree, but it's an idea - my concern is it's Search Engine exposure
HedgeMage will be joining shortly to help us brain storm
I will try to finish my sushi before then
This user would like to join Ask Ubuntu Tools.
Anyone know who that is?
18:00
@Explorer done
@RolandTaylor where?
@GeorgeEdison I don't
@Explorer there :)
jrg
jrg
Could we do it like this? - stackoverflow.com/tags/scala/info
@RolandTaylor O.O wonderful
i will try
18:03
Hey, all
jrg
jrg
Hello @HedgeMage.
sorry for the delay, I'm far more pleasant when I have tea :)
@Explorer you're welcome :D
@HedgeMage hihi
Welcome!
jrg
jrg
@htorque good, bad or ugly?
18:04
Oh sweet :D
@jrg ugly :)
So... on what @MarcoCeppi brought up. The problem, in its simplest terms, is that there are some types of info about Ubuntu that are not well documented anywhere else, but are also not suited to the Stack format.
goooooood
jrg
jrg
Yes.
stopping power suckers is \o/
jrg
jrg
@HedgeMage do you recommend something along the lines of this perhaps? - stackoverflow.com/tags/scala/info
(as in, have it stored in the tag wiki)
@jrg While I like that approach, it's a bit difficult to maintain and less obvious for new users.
jrg
jrg
problem with that is that when people ask, we have no question to close it as a duplicate.
@RolandTaylor agreed.
Obvious approaches to fix this might be:
- Make it tag wiki material, rather than Q&A
- Retool it into a valid question
- Make it an Ask Ubuntu blog post
- Come up with someplace off of Ask Ubuntu to put it
- Things I haven't thought of but you will since you are all so awesome.
2
We don't have a blog
@HedgeMage How could you re-tool a question like this into a "valid" question?
jrg
jrg
@HedgeMage I think option 3 is out of the question, we don't have a blog, and i don't think we have critical mass to handle a blog
18:09
- Retool it into a valid question
*- What would make it valid? *
- Make it an Ask Ubuntu blog post
*- We have a blog?*
- Come up with someplace off of Ask Ubuntu to put it
*- Our blog? (2buntu?) | OMGUbuntu? WebUpd8?*
- Things I haven't thought of but you will since you are all so awesome.
*- Why thank you <3... but eh... what other options do we have?*
@MarcoCeppi I'm not sure... that's the problem. There are some we can't retool.
I'd be open to retooling, I don't want to place it offsite because of the potential loss of licensing and ability to update it in the future.
(P.S. Only I am that awesome)
jrg
jrg
Not sure moving it off AU is easy, or even recommended. If it gets moved off, we'll get that problem where it's not that easy to edit
I'd be willing to create an outline in which these are valid. I attempted to do so earlier:
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Q: How to run the Software Recommendation tag

Marco CeppiWe get quite a few software-recommendation questions. I'd like to bang out an expected format for these questions to prevent them from melting into too localized or subjective trite. What are tips for formatting stellar software-recommendation questions? How should answers be provided?

How to distinguish and run the software-recommendation tag without it devolving into mush
18:11
I'd assume we'd only take it offsite if the offsite option in questions didn't suck. "Not on SE" is a big place.
/me reads what @MarcoCeppi linked
The challenge with taking it to one place at all - is that everyone who has "a place" will want to be that place. It's either that or creating a completely new website - which requires resources - and again everyone will want to "be the one who did it". Then we have to consider pointing users to "that place".
@MarcoCeppi Er... what about 2buntu?
jrg
jrg
The problem with 2buntu is while it is a community blog, due to our laziness we haven't licensed the content under a CC.
yes we have...
lawl
you're a bit late to that one :D
jrg
jrg
we did? last i checked it wasn't done. :P
18:14
Joshua did that a while ago :D
i shall return.
but he didn't make a lot of noise about it that's prob why you didn't know
anyway let's not derail the discussion with our issues :P
(oh no... Oli... is all over the dashboard)
Got an answer:
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A: How to comply with this guideline for submitting an application to the Software Center?

overprescribedTo answer your first question, it is feasible, if time consuming. As you probably already read: Normal Ubuntu releases are supported for 18 months. Previous Ubuntu LTS (Long Term Support) releases are supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server. Starting with Ubuntu 12.04 L...

@MarcoCeppi I think the main difference there is that a "software recommendation" as defined there is seeking the one right thing that they are looking for... lists are a whole different animal, because...
- They don't generally get maintained, as a "list of" is generally expected to be, so they aren't useful forever.
- They kind of warp the whole rep thing (this is why they used to be made CW) because rep is more dependent on the race condition than on having useful expertise to share.
jrg
jrg
so, what if we do the [software-list] tag?
18:22
- They end up having similar problems to just plugging the question into your search engine, as far as "the best" not floating to the top because there might not be a universal "best" answer.
(especially since people don't go back and re-vote every time stuff is added/changed)
- List questions tend to flood the site when they are allowed, in huge quantity and mostly-noise quality, to the point that better content isn't getting created just because lists are easier.
@jrg That wolud let people ignore the noise if they were registered and knew how to ignore tags, but it doesn't help the lack of maintenance, not providing more info than a web search, or getting too freaking many of them.... I'm not sure that they can consistently provide useful info as a format.
What about finding a really good place to put this stuff and doing some app-list-related sprints in chat?
jrg
jrg
The problem is, where to put it
we all agree this is good content, but this isn't where it really belongs.
A while back, some of us who help new Drupal devs get started tossed around the idea of making a "what's in my toolbox" webapp similar to Amazon Lists, where you can create a toolbox for a specific purpose, and people can search and either look at the apps most recommended for doing X, or the apps that a particular person uses, etc.
jrg
jrg
but then we're no better than freshmeat, or alternativeto.
So, my Drupal dev toolbox would include git, my drupal.org git helper script, emacs, meld, etc.
jrg
jrg
ah, i like this idea
18:28
@jrg Freshmeat is just... a mess... alternativeto is IMHO a wrong perspective, tryng to just do 1:1 comparisons.
jrg
jrg
@HedgeMage agreed on both
@HedgeMage Where are the results of this?
jrg
jrg
@DoR outside of the fact that one of them is out of stock?
@MarcoCeppi I won't wave my magic wand of Community Management at you guys at this point, because all of the available options have down-sides, but here is what i would recommend:
18:31
back
I'm just curious of how that turned out, if it was completed
@MarcoCeppi It's been tossed around but never acted on, sadly.
I still think it's a good idea, though.
Ah, I see
Should we just put this information on the Wiki @JorgeCastro ? (because he loves the Wiki)
11 mins ago, by HedgeMage
- They don't generally get maintained, as a "list of" is generally expected to be, so they aren't useful forever.
Interesting - because just this morning I edited the one you closed :)
And we have a strong policy of keeping our lists up to date.
DoR
DoR
@jrg I already own that motherboard.
18:33
1. Start marking all the big-list questions with a warning that they are historical in nature, and not actually allowed on the site any more, with a link to that blog post about CW, but that editing/improving the existing ones is appreciated.
2. Work on getting a toolbox webapp/site together as I described, or finding another suitable option, for solving what I do think is a valid issue.
2
Honestly, you guys don't have enough of them that it freaked me out until I saw someone posting on meta about how we can make posting big list questions easier. It's not exactly something we want to encourage en masse.
@RolandTaylor I said generally... we all know you are exceptional ;)
jrg
jrg
so, we just make it super difficult to do that, and we get away with it for another Ubuntu release, maybe two? ;P
@HedgeMage lol
@jrg something like that, though I'm a naughty community manager for suggesting it.
jrg
jrg
@HedgeMage I see.
I think an offsite solution can work (we can host it actually) - but it will need agreement from some of the heavy rollers in this community (Marco and Jorge for example)
@HedgeMage If you have to be naughty - then it makes me uneasy as a solution...
jrg
jrg
18:36
In that case, I say we continue making it difficult, and then get an offsite solution getting worked on.
holes will inevitably == leaks
@RolandTaylor It's not a solution as much as it's a band-aid to get us by until we have a good solution.
@jrg I agree totally.
Would you like me to add a sample warning/disclaimer to that one question and re-open it so you have an example, after which I'll leave it to you guys?
jrg
jrg
shrug I can't speak for the community, but I think that'd be a good idea
18:39
no comment.
when moderators are silent - I'm not comfortable
/me pokes @MarcoCeppi to make him less silent
BAN ALL USERS, I mean, hey everyone
I was looking into different webapps we could adopt for this purpose.
18:41
nifty! Find anything promising?
The problem I foresee is having information in another spot
lol I read webapps as "weapons" for some reason
I had to look again
Nothing really
jrg
jrg
Suggestion: Run a askbot.org instance just for lists.
18:41
I thought about running a FOSS SE Clone
but that may just be confusing
jrg
jrg
but that has the same issue of info in another place
It should just be a very simple interface
@MarcoCeppi: What should I do about the user that wants to join Ask Ubuntu tools?
I started drawing up how I think it should work
@GeorgeEdison Ignore it until he reveals himself :P
@GeorgeEdison finish him :>
18:42
honestly, I think that once there is a really good offsite option, having one good Q&A about it that you can refer every "big list" Q. of this type to will work fine and dandy
But we need to draw people and experts to the site to start contributing. Not an easy feat
It is easy Marco
Don't underestimate the power of blogs + social networks + IRC
@MarcoCeppi I think that this comes up in enough places that once it is seeded it will grow organically.
jrg
jrg
We can do it like what we're supposed to be doing with the mythbuntu guys, but the other way around
18:44
We just need a few people to start sharing the idea once we get the location.
jrg
jrg
instead of migrating to askubuntu, migrate away from askubuntu.
And I'd be all in favor of promoting it on community ads here if doing so doesn't violate some community ads rule I'm unaware of
Okay, I've got an idea - but it's kind of unruly. Let me write something down and I'll dump it back in here
okay :)
lol... unruly :)
jrg
jrg
18:46
Ok, love unruly ideas that work.
hi @Icedrake
Hey guys, can anyone know a quick answer to this question? askubuntu.com/questions/78315/…
@Icedrake the answer is patience :p
@Icedrake the quickest answer I know, is no.
I'm working on my website right now, and Gedit is extremely confusing without certain elements that I'm not working on being collapsible.
@RolandTaylor Well that sucks. Any idea of a text editor that does have that feature?
18:47
@Icedrake fwiw, bluefish? its an actual HTML/PHP/XML/WebStuff editor
rather than just a notepad ;P
hmm k
@Icedrake Gedit is pretty rudimentary. I know that Emacs, Vim, Eclipse, Bluefish, and Geany all have code collapse features
Awesome, thanks.
as well
jrg
jrg
@Icedrake you have an answer right now
18:48
/me <3 Emacs
Bluefish has syntax checking for HTML and stuff
ugh
out of votes
I WANT MY VOTES BACK NAO
/me loves Nano, kate, and vim in that order
jrg
jrg
@HedgeMage eek! an emacs lover! <3 vim
@RolandTaylor * grins *
jrg
jrg
18:49
and nano
/me is a KDE person xD
Awesome, thanks for the answers guys.
yeppers
I'll give the named programs a try.
18:49
@Icedrake That's what we're here for :)
i'd have posted but i'm lazy
@jrg you have an IRC ping
@#@$@!!!!
@daniel i was going to give you an answer for your question but at the moment joomla.org is down. i can't see 1.7
jrg
jrg
you have a reply
and you have another question :P
18:50
I can't star!!!
(but I can vote :>)
@RolandTaylor I CAN NHAS UPVOTES?
lol jk
@TheEvilOne sure!
Write a good answer somewhere :D
orly? cool
lol
/me wrote some answers recently
NB: A good answer :)
/me pokes the bold text and watches it disintegrate
18:51
@Alvar is here...
@Alvar hi!
I must leave...
hi :P
@RolandTaylor lol ;)
he's back :P
18:52
@RolandTaylor damn I thought you were OLI must leave
haha
I'm "This side up! Heathens!"
@Alvar its the invasion of the Olis
osnap low power...
/me temporarily shuts off his computer until he can find a power outlet
@TheEvilOne me too :/ and mobile uplink
bow to my superior upsidedownness
looping what the fuck :D
jrg
jrg
18:54
@Icedrake you have screenshots
o.o
language alvar... language
idioma!
what?! Marco changed back to his non-Oli form?!
what is this? HERESY!
@Alvar o.o
Thank God my flashblock is on!
xD
I have my speakers on, not my headphones :)
and I don't live alone... go figure
18:56
/me chuckles
plots retaliation :)
@MarcoCeppi if we moved it to the wiki it would just be unmaintained there
but it seems like the least horrible solution
e.e the wiki is less maintained than my haircut!
Installed Geany,and it's great! Has the brilliant collapsible elements feature. Thank you jrg
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Q: Lightweight distro's updated in 2011

RobinJThere are many lightweight Linux distributions, but lots of them seem to have died out. I keep getting people asking me wich Linux distribution I'd recommend them installing on their 10 year old system with a 233 MHz processor or something of the sort. I've done some Googling and tried some thin...

speaking of lists!
jrg
jrg
18:59
ninja'ed

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