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George Edison

00:33

@Jacob Let me know how things go.

George Edison

00:50

Breaking News: Steve Jobs dead at 56.

Be sure to visit the Apple website.

Questions Feed

01:10

When is Precise Pangolin being released? http://askubuntu.com/questions/64444/when-is-precise-pangolin-being-released

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 1:02 AM

George Edison

@jrg: Now see what you've done? :) ----^

Jacob

01:21

@GeorgeEdison Server is installed, working on installing Xen now.

George Edison

@Jacob Great. Did you hear the sad news?

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison That Steves dead, yes I did just now

Roland Taylor

02:06

Back.

Apple's days are -1 numbered.

George Edison

@RolandTaylor Oh yeah... Apple will really see some shares plummeting after this.

Roland Taylor

As I predicted, the day he left Apple as C.E.O, Apple's walking papers were given.

Mark my words.

Jacob

@RolandTaylor nah..

Omeid Herat

03:08

Howdy !

Amith KK

03:49

Hi @OmeidHerat @GeorgeEdison

@RolandTaylor I Predicted that!

George Edison

Hello.

Amith KK

@MarcoCeppi is 83.4Hz blocked in your country?

George Edison

Well I don't want to use OpenSuSe or anything.

Amith KK

@GeorgeEdison :| You did not star it :D

For some odd reason, my keyboard still has the windows key?

George Edison

We prefer to call it the "super" key.

Super key (keyboard button)

The Super key refers to several different keys throughout keyboard history. Originally the super key was a modifier key on the Space-cadet keyboard. Recently with Windows and Macintosh computers doing away with large numbers of modifier keys the Super key has become an alternative name for other modifier keys when using a Linux or BSD based operating systems. Knight Keyboard to the Space-cadet Keyboard Tom Knight created both the Knight keyboard and the Space-cadet keyboard. Among the improvements from the Knight keyboard to the Space-cadet keyboard was the presence of two more modifiers f...

Questions Feed

04:05

Can you answer this? Can I add audio recorder to the sound menu? http://askubuntu.com/questions/63705/can-i-add-audio-recorder-to-the-sound-menu #sound

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 4:02 AM

Amith KK

04:20

@GeorgeEdison Are you on Win8?

George Edison

Yes.

Amith KK

can you tell me a few things

Omeid Herat

@AmithKK @GeorgeEdison Heya !

whatup peeps ?

George Edison

@OmeidHerat Not much.

Amith KK

@OmeidHerat Hi

@OmeidHerat :( steve died

Omeid Herat

04:26

I know right

but I am no big fun of him.

he was a great man though.

@AmithKK people like him are great but no my cup of tea.

@GeorgeEdison you good with Apache ?

George Edison

Maybe... I've worked with it a bit.

Amith KK

Me too

Omeid Herat

how can I set my defualt htdocs as a DocumentRoot for all domain names ?

like I have set mydomain to 127.0.0.1 and dig mydomain confirms that.

but when i go to my browser and type http://mydomain/ it says DNS failure !

Wait...

that is workign fine

Amith KK

04:50

@GeorgeEdison Visit my Blog with IE You GET BIG MESSAGE

George Edison

@AmithKK: What's your blog URL?

Omeid Herat

Wired problem I have.

using dnsmasq as DNS Server

and I can dig mydomain but ping mydomain fails

funny thing is that ping mydomain. works just fine !

@GeorgeEdison any ideas ?

George Edison

You mean pinging it with a trailing dot?

Omeid Herat

yeah to make work without that dot.

Marco Ceppi

ah, the joys of DNS

George Edison

05:05

If I recall, a trailing dot assumes that the previous string is a TLD?

I'm not sure, but for example, 'http://google.com.' is a valid URL.

Roland Taylor

05:22

@AmithKK I'm sure you did...

and the fall of the Berlin wall as well :D

George Edison

05:34

Night all.

FlackBot

Goodbye!

htorque

good morning!

trampster

06:17

Anyone know how long it takes (on average) to get an app approved through developer.ubuntu.com

ajmitch

given that it's a new site & things are still being worked out, it'd be hard to give any sort of average time

@trampster do you have an app you want to submit?

trampster

06:40

@ajmitch I submitted by app yesterday and was wondering how long I will need to wait.

ajmitch

that'd depend on what needs fixed :)

ajmitch

06:59

@trampster I see you're also getting it in via Debian, which makes the developer.ubuntu.com process a bit redundant

trampster

07:12

Well I'm trying to get it in via Debain, but I'm not making any progress. Debian doesn't really want applications it seems

ajmitch

I'm in #debian-cli as well, I've seen that you've been getting help there & making progress

trampster

And even if I can get it into debain, It wont make it into ubuntu for another 6 months

ajmitch

No, that's what backports are for

Most people in #debian-cli are in Europe, so it's sometimes hard to talk to them at the right time of day, but they're more than willing to help sponsor packages

trampster

So using backports I can get my app into ubuntu 11.10, 11.04, 10.10 because it doesn't seem to happen (as far as I've seen)

ajmitch

it'd go into oneiric-backports, natty-backports, etc

trampster

07:18

How many apps make it in that way?

Questions Feed

Can you answer this? Can Ubuntu One bookmarks sync work in Firefox 5? http://askubuntu.com/questions/56882/can-ubuntu-one-bookmarks-sync-work-in-firefox-5 #ubuntuone

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 7:02 AM

ajmitch

At least oneiric-backports is enabled by default, I don't know about earlier releases

I don't know numbers, I do know that the ARB process has been slow, to put it mildly

trampster

I'm going to persist with trying to get it into debain

The submission process is very slick so far, But I have also hear that the ARB is very slow.

It will be interesting to see which of the two accepts my app first

ajmitch

I could bet on Debian, but that wouldn't be fair as I'm both on the pkg-cli-apps team & the ARB ;)

just trying to update sid at the moment so I can clone the git repo & try & build it

trampster

They other thing is that I don't have a debain install, which makes it hard for me to know if it works or not

ajmitch

07:24

Also one of the people in #debian-cli is active in ubuntu backports

I use a virtual machine for debian unstable

trampster

ajmitch - so if your on the ARB you would know how many submissions you are getting and how long they are taking to get through?

ajmitch

I know that since the developer.ubuntu.com site went live a week ago we've had quite a few submissions, none of which are approved yet as all need at least some changes to packaging

One of the most annoying things I dislike about it is the requirement for files in the package to be in /opt/extras.ubuntu.com

We're trying to come up with a sane way to deal with that which doesn't inconvenience people & make packaging harder

trampster

I don't think I install anything to /opt so I'm guessing my app will be rejected, (at least at first)

ajmitch

right, unless the ARB handles that step for people submitting apps

stgraber has written some useful tools to simplify that

trampster

Why do they have that requirement?

Is it to make sure the app doesn't interfere with the rest of the system.

ajmitch

07:33

pretty much

All this updating is burning through my data cap for the month... good thing it rolls over in a day or so :)

Ingo Gerth

08:35

@marc

@MarcoCeppi in case youre there, I'm here now ;)

Questions Feed

10:13

What is "Nepomuk Backup" and why is it installed? http://askubuntu.com/questions/64530/what-is-nepomuk-backup-and-why-is-it-installed #applications

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Amith KK

10:38

Loggin in from my friends house

Ingo Gerth

10:53

16

Q: Are there still plans for a new sound theme?

Let me quote from Mark's blog almost one year ago: March 5th, 2010 at 7:19 pm Mark, will there be an update to the sound theme to match the updated visual brand? Mark Shuttleworth: Gack, I completely forgot about that. A very good point. Would you see if you can rally a round of commun...

The question needs a new answer...!

Amith KK

11:40

wow the iphone is awesome

weird..

steve dies and i get my first hands on of the iphone

brunopereira81

Its a sign!

:D

Amith KK

he forgot his apple i pass

brunopereira81

ouch, too soon! ^^

Amith KK

12:01

how can i turn off negative mode

i got it

3 times home

my sit LOOKS

AWESOME

bbl

htorque

lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes → still empty! :>

brunopereira81

what will that be for?

htorque

12:28

you'll see the uploads of new packages/package versions

e.g. for oneiric in october: lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-October/…

brunopereira81

oh, ok ok, im relatively new to Ubuntu way of doing stuff on the web ;S

Questions Feed

13:08

Bounty offered: Are there still plans for a new sound theme? http://askubuntu.com/questions/21840/are-there-still-plans-for-a-new-sound-theme #sound

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 1:02 PM

Rinzwind

13:27

Precise Pangolin

:P

""tough and long-lasting, reliable, solid as a rock and well defended"

lazyPower

13:41

Hey all

o/

FlackBot

Hey, nice to see you!

Stefano Palazzo

hello everybody :-)

Marco Ceppi

13:56

Morning

Stefano Palazzo

hey marco, check out the VC. I've literally jazzed it up :)

Though I'm not sure it'll work so well. I might have to remove it :\

lazyPower

14:16

I like how fast VC is Stef

seems really responsive, and quick to load

Marco Ceppi

Sweet

Stefano Palazzo

@lazyPower I'm glad! most of the credit for that goes to couchdb.

lazyPower

nosql \o/

So, this DBA walks into a NOSQL bar, and leaves because he cant find a table.

Stefano Palazzo

:D

Stefano Palazzo

14:30

the only (only!) annoying thing about nosql so far is that you can't really have auto-incrementing numeric ids

it doesn't work well with the revision control stuff. so instead I do base36 encoded milliseconds since jan. 1 2010. that is why you see things like /rooms/zpm716p/. still better than 32-byte uuids

lazyPower

truth

guids are nice in some cases but unnecessarily byte-consuming in others.

Stefano Palazzo

I've experimented with the base of this number. Went up to base 64 at one point, which gave you ids like "Zw_-x". but I had a feeling google wouldn't like it. (Z=25, z=51)

lazyPower

14:48

are you engineering this with <buzzword> in mind?

Stefano Palazzo

of course!

htorque

jorge did it! there's our first marshal in town. :P

750 flag weight - that's crazy!

Stefano Palazzo

let's see, .. it's got NoSQL, Markdown, Duck Typing, OpenID, HTML5, CSS3, Ajax, it's 2.0, ... and so on. Only websockets are missing ;-)

htorque

hi @all btw ;-)

Stefano Palazzo

hey, 749.5786

nice work @jorge! pretty impressive

Amith KK

14:58

Hi all

FlackBot

Hey, nice to see you!

jrg

15:28

Hello all!

FlackBot

Hey, nice to see you!

Amith KK

Hi @jrg

►

^LOL my cousin :D

jrg

15:51

@AmithKK Heya!

Amith KK

hi @Takkat :)

Takkat

Hi @AmithKK

jrg

@AmithKK BTW, if you ever find yourself in BusyBox, type exit - it boots (almost) every time.

2

Amith KK

@jrg Noted!

Takkat

Hi @jrg

jrg

15:52

Hello @Takkat.

Amith KK

Any good keyloggers?

Marco Ceppi

@AmithKK No.

jrg

There are no good keyloggers.

Amith KK

NO not for hacking and stuff

jrg

@AmithKK you mean like for recording a screencast?

Amith KK

15:59

@MarcoCeppi YU NO ANSWER MY QUESTION?

@jrg y, it should display on the screen

Marco Ceppi

really can't think of a legit reason for a keylogger

Amith KK

12 hours ago, by Amith KK

@MarcoCeppi is 83.4Hz blocked in your country?

Marco Ceppi

@AmithKK No idea

Amith KK

:/

@MarcoCeppi You know , for showing the keyboard input onscreen (screencast)

Marco Ceppi

@AmithKK Orca?

Amith KK

16:03

@MarcoCeppi facepalm

Marco Ceppi

Wait, that's the screen reader

@AmithKK launchpad.net/onboard

Amith KK

I want to type on my keyboard

Questions Feed

16:21

Bounty offered: Where are Java JDK Sources? http://askubuntu.com/questions/64163/where-are-java-jdk-sources #java

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Amith KK

@MarcoCeppi urbandictionary.com/names.php?names=marco <LOLZ

@Greg urbandictionary.com/names.php?names=greg

Greg

@AmithKK Greg or Gregory is usually someone who is great at many things not so much at others but an awesome person, a little different and people just love them.

Amith KK

apple.com/iphone

^ blue screen

iPhone seems

awesome

Amith KK

16:52

George Edison

Didn't work.

Amith KK

Animated^ So, it wont

"http://xkcd.com/961/"

Amith KK

17:10

BBL

Roland Taylor

17:23

Hi.

htorque

yo

Roland Taylor

wassup?

George Edison

Not much.

Roland Taylor

cool

Roland Taylor

18:10

2

Q: How to see which graphics card is loaded on start or install

I have a brand new HP Desktop PC. I have tried to install some versions of Ubuntu (10.10, 11.04, 11.10 beta 2) for 2 days, and every time GNOME is started after 2-3 minutes of work, Ubuntu is freezing. After hard restart it comes the same problem. I give the PC to one PC expert, who has instal...

driver ati hp

Did I choose the right tags (other than ati)? Also, is this a case of hybrid graphics? I can't tell.

htorque

18:27

hp is pretty useless as the user didn't write which model.

so: driver and ati should be enough IMO

Roland Taylor

he linked to the model

George Edison

@Jacob: Hello.

What's new?

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison not much, didn't have time to finish last night

I'm about to go finish

George Edison

Cool.

htorque

@RolandTaylor oh, i'm totally blind.

Roland Taylor

18:43

I don't know why I'm on G+...

jrg

Can we get this closed? - askubuntu.com/questions/64466/…

Roland Taylor

Why am I on the internet?

htorque

@RolandTaylor is there cafe world on G+? :D

Roland Taylor

@htorque I've never played that crap

Why am I here?

htorque

too cold at the beach? :D

George Edison

18:48

@RolandTaylor Ubuntu.

I've never seen this spelling before:

> "...to res-size the partition..."

Roland Taylor

@GeorgeEdison I mean... idk

I don't belong on the internet.

I get pissed when people say... certain things, do... certain things... etc. I respond. Then the volcano erupts and I get trapped in the explosion.

htorque

just relax

Alvar

hi all

FlackBot

Hey, nice to see you!

Roland Taylor

blah

I can't

Alvar

18:54

I have a problem (one more than usual)

Roland Taylor

Someone is wrong... on the internet.

Alvar

all the programs I install in wine crashes when I start them!

what should I do?

Roland Taylor

Use windows.

htorque

use windows for windows applications - works (most of the time).

gna!

Alvar

I HATE windows

Marco Ceppi

18:55

@RolandTaylor trolololo

Alvar

and I love some of the stuff with linux

htorque

you can run windows inside linux (inside windows inside linux)

Marco Ceppi

@Alvar Have you tried running the isntall from the console to see a more verbose output?

Alvar

(I don't like the "undocumented features"

@MarcoCeppi I only get an error when I start it...

htorque

maybe you just need to install some stuff via winetricks

WHICH error?

Marco Ceppi

18:57

Okay

Alvar

all the installs are "successfull"

Roland Taylor

what error do you get?

Marco Ceppi

Have you tried running the program from the console to see a more verbose output?

Alvar

@htorque this program has crashed sorry for the inconvinice

@MarcoCeppi no....

how to?

Marco Ceppi

wine /path/to/app.exe

Roland Taylor

18:58

wine /path/to/app.exe

Alvar

cool

Roland Taylor

funny we said almost the same thing

@GeorgeEdison I'm not helping with that one O.o!

Alvar

I'll try and reinstall wine xD

The programs I tried to run was spotify, itunes, counter-strike source

all of which I tried to install from playonlinux as well....

htorque

all hostages rescued!

Alvar

:D

htorque

19:02

last time i checked (two years ago), cs:s was working fine via steam on wine.

not that that helps you.

:D

Alvar

no LOLs

the same error on all programs

what to do?

purge?

yes it's the normal windows error, the same you get on all start-ups

Marco Ceppi

@Alvar PRO TIP: Spotify has a linux client.

Alvar

@MarcoCeppi BUT it requires PREMIUM! I KNOW.

jrg

@MarcoCeppi PRO TIP: Spofity's linux client is only for the people who pay $$$$$$.

Marco Ceppi

@Alvar PRO TIP: askubuntu.com

Alvar

19:07

marco is a bit outdated with this "spotify" thing...

Marco Ceppi

I don't use it

htorque

wow, local police is clearly through with angry birds: one drunk guy, six police cars. oO

Marco Ceppi

0

Q: Spotify under Wine

I am running Spotify under Wine. However, it keeps getting interrupted now and then, and I have to restart Spotify. (I am running Ubuntu 10.10 and Wine 1.2.2). How is this fixed? I have tried switching from the Alsa Driver to the OSS Driver in the Wine configurations, but then I get a message t...

driver wine spotify

Alvar

Well I'm running 11.04...

I'm goind to die now.

I will use windows instead.. wine isn't working... wine is the new windows. windows is the new wine

George Edison

@Alvar Download Windows 8 and try it.

It's free.

Alvar

19:12

@GeorgeEdison nothing is free

htorque

for a reason.

:P

Alvar

@GeorgeEdison where? :O :P

@htorque it sucks

who would pay for it even?

George Edison

@Alvar msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516

htorque

they could have made a -50% deal in the apple store today, no?

Marco Ceppi

Might be worth dedicating a room for investigation here

George Edison

19:13

@htorque At this point in time, they need all the sales they can get.

@MarcoCeppi There we go.

Marco Ceppi

TITCD Investigation

Investigating thisisthecountdown.com. Question here: askubuntu...

George Edison

LOL!

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How to see which graphics card is loaded on start or install http://askubuntu.com/questions/64588/how-to-see-which-graphics-card-is-loaded-on-start-or-install #driver

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Marco Ceppi

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ajmitch

19:46

morning

Marco Ceppi

salud

htorque

g'day

Marco Ceppi

20:27

Is there an easier way to setup a chroot? I want to avoid "installing ubuntu into a chroot"

help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot

I seem to remember it being: setup chroot, symlink binaries & directories etc, ???, profit

Marco Ceppi

21:34

Arg this is frustrating.

jrg

What is your end goal?

Marco Ceppi

Chroot all users while maintaining their files outside of the chroot

So regular systems like apache and courier can access them

jrg

arkose on login with the following: sudo arkose -n -h -c "cd $PWD; $SHELL"

Marco Ceppi

this is the fourth time I've heard of arkose

jrg

copy-on-write sandbox.

@MarcoCeppi Probably all from me. :P

Marco Ceppi

21:38

So, that'll sandbox the user in a jailed folder?

Because I'm not trying to sandbox apache - but the user when they log in via SSH

jrg

so you're trying to prevent us from installing random stuff, right?

Marco Ceppi

More or less. I'm more worried about you all jumping into each others folders

and copying data

I can't chmod 0750 home folders because then Apache can't get in

jrg

that'll do it. the $PWD part will restrict us to our own user.

Marco Ceppi

hum, I will try this out

because setting up these chroots is driving me nuts

jrg

so, if I have /home/foobar, /home/jrg, and i'm logged in as jrg, the only dir i have access to (inside arkose) is /home/jrg.

Marco Ceppi

21:41

if this works, it'll save me quite a few days of playing with choots - which means more development time \o/

jrg

Marco Ceppi

Right, so I just need to setup sudoers so everyone can execute arkose, then have it run when they connect?

jrg

yup.

Marco Ceppi

Secondly - how does a user, or can a user, break out of arkose?

Is it just a jailed shell?

All these answers and more can be found on the interntes!

jrg

yup. so exit will get us out

but, if you setup something with arkose being persistent....

@MarcoCeppi as far as chroots, go, I take it you have probably seen this? - cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html

Marco Ceppi

21:45

yes! It's not availalble on lucid

@jrg Yeah, I have one setup - but it won't work properly with apache since everything is copied into a chroot.

What I want to do is setup something like this:

jrg

@MarcoCeppi Ah, gotcha.

Marco Ceppi

k

I guess it's high time I ditch this dev server and move into the PPR servers

Didn't seem to work on my machine

marco@XPS-8100:/home$ sudo arkose -n -h -c "cd $PWD; $SHELL"
/home is bind-mounted, changes will affect your real /home
Starting with network support
/home needs to be on a separate partition for ext4 storage type. Falling back to tmpfs
Using tmpfs for copy-on-write storage
sudo: cd: command not found

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