Ask Ubuntu General Room

TheX

21:00

@Fabby wait, are you giving me the finger?

Nathan Osman

@Seth It's still ongoing - we play for a couple of hours now and then. The games drag out for quite some time.

Fabby

@TheX You're slow, aren't you?

>:)

Nathan Osman

I'd like to think I'm doing better :P

Seth

@hbdgaf you crack me up xD

TheX

@Fabby lol no... just wanted to clarify that it was what I thought it was...

Seth

21:00

@NathanOsman Ah, so like Risk then?

Nathan Osman

Yes, but way more complicated.

TheX

On that note, before a fist fight breaks out... or someone gets slapped with a rainbow trout, I am going home....

Fabby

Q. What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a crooked lawyer?
A. CHELSEA

hbdgaf

Awww. I was referring to the mailserver breach thing.

Fabby

@TheX Yeah! I told you to get off my lawn much earlier then now! ;-) :P

CU around!

RPi Awesomeness

21:02

It is actually quite hard to design a good thumbnail pic...

Fabby

@jrg Care to explain? I don't get it!!!

jrg

YOU KNOW WHAT DONT URBAN DICTIONARY THAT.

Darnit. I can't come up with any jokes that aren't really, really terrible. :(

Seth

:20947115 "How is your face like a piano? I can tune a piano and I can tuna your face! smack" (not directed at anyone in particular)

Fabby

:D

Seth

aaand now my reply is broken >.<

jrg

21:04

@Seth lol.

Fabby

:D that I get!

Seth

@NathanOsman I'd hope so! Risk is pretty boring..

hbdgaf

I saw a graphic of a huge bonfire in a backyard.
Caption "Backyard document burning...
Well, now we have confirmation Hillary is running for office."

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Seth

@hbdgaf ROTFL

Nathan Osman

Lol...

jrg

21:05

@hbdgaf Ah yes.

Fabby

3 stars in as many seconds!

jrg

So I think PDFs are a file format from $really_bad_place

Fabby

@NathanOsman So what are you playing?

RPG?

Nathan Osman

@jrg [cough] SWF [cough]

I wrote a Python parser for SWF files. It didn't do much.

jrg

@NathanOsman Yeah that could be worse.

what do you parse from SWF

Nathan Osman

21:06

Mostly just meta-data.

Fabby

@NathanOsman Does Python have pointers???

Nathan Osman

Nope.

hbdgaf

Probably just separated the streams... not interpreted them.

Fabby

A parser? without pointers???

Nathan Osman

At least not natively. You can use ctypes to interface with C code that uses pointers.

Fabby

21:07

respect

Yeah, but still....

Nathan Osman

I could probably dig up the parser code... hang on...

Fabby

that must have been a huge nest of case statements!

hbdgaf

binary blob, indexing, and relative indexing... or you could just write whatever parser as a layer on top of scapy...

Nathan Osman

Ah, nvm. It's on my old work laptop. Not easy to get at.

Fabby

@hbdgaf Yeah! But you need pointers for that!

hbdgaf

21:08

No you don't.

Fabby

I mean: it's like writing it in BASIC!

(puke)

I'd rather do that in assembly then a language without pointers!

Nathan Osman

What really made the parser tricky was the way the SWF format packed data into bytes. Integer width could be any number of bits.

Fabby

(and I haven't done any ASM in 20 years or so...)

hbdgaf

What was that python perl joke?
Python - It's like writing pseudocode that should probably work and usually does.
Perl - It's like writing gibberish that should probably not work, but somehow does.

Fabby

@NathanOsman so tuples too?

Nathan Osman

21:10

Tuples?

Fabby

@hbdgaf :D I don't know either

Nathan Osman

I don't understand what tuples have to do with extracting variable-width integers...

Fabby

Bit Tuple Byte

4-bit integer...

Damn I'm old!

Nathan Osman

A tuple in Python is just an immutable list.

Fabby

Hah!

Nathan Osman

21:11

Half of a byte is called a "nibble" if that's what you're referring to...

Fabby

Damn!

You're right!

nibble!

sorry for being my confused (and confusing) self...

Nathan Osman

:P

Fabby

Happens all the time: I'm confused and then confuse the hell out of everyone around me...

jrg

Oh, there was a good thing

so what happened is it expected the bytes to be in order

Fabby

(is what one of my ex-bosses used to say)

jrg

21:12

and then the bits inside the byte to be reversed

(stupid printers)

Nathan Osman

Actually, I have a copy of Adobe's PDF reference book.

hbdgaf

Do you keep it right next to your copy of the Necronomicon?

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jrg

@NathanOsman oh? the one that got turned into the ISO standard?

Nathan Osman

I think an earlier version of that.

Fabby

@hbdgaf :D and *

BRB. Emergency... :/

jrg

21:14

> But even with these problems, The Story About Ping has earned a place on my bookshelf, right between Stevens' Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment, and my dog-eared copy of Dante's seminal work on MS Windows, Inferno. Who can read that passage on the Windows API ("Obscure, profound it was, and nebulous, So that by fixing on its depths my sight -- Nothing whatever I discerned therein."), without shaking their head with deep understanding. But I digress.

> amazon.com/review/R2VDKZ4X1F992Q

Nathan Osman

I saw that a while back.

Terribly funny.

hbdgaf

So anyone hear the speculation about Windows possibly open sourcing?

Nathan Osman

> "... and my dog-eared copy of Dante's seminal work on MS Windows, Inferno."

LOLOLOL.

@hbdgaf Yeah, but that's not going to be for quite some time yet.

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman Yeah, I laughed at that pretty hard too.

jrg

@hbdgaf yeah that speculation is exactly that.

hbdgaf

21:17

@NathanOsman Yeah... well they have to give themselves time to rip out all the really embarrassing code blobs first.

jrg

and then we don't get the version controlled version

we just get a tarball

hbdgaf

Well do you really think they would want you to see commits that happen right after patches?

Nathan Osman

@jrg ...or they throw it on GitHub without any history.

jrg

Or that

but seriously - that would be such (SUCH) a large departure, that i'm not sure i'd believe it if it happened.

i could see major portions being open sourced

but not the whole thing

Nathan Osman

Yeah. It would kill ReactOS for sure :P

hbdgaf

21:21

@jrg Yeah, fair enough. That is probably spot on.

jrg

like, i know from the gig i had 2 years ago that the printer driver interface is a complete wreck.

and I can only imagine that the rest of it is just as bad.

so anything tied directly to the kernel? Nah. probably not.

but I could see say, explorer.exe, skype, control panel, and some of the "minor" things

hyper-v. i might even be convinced to lay money on some elements of hyper-v.

hbdgaf

I'ld say the UI probably also, although not the multimedia bits. Since that's still a feature difference sell point. So with the thousand different purchasable versions - anything that distinguishes between those versions is probably right out.

Fabby

@hbdgaf So many people have the source code already that they might as well opensouce it!

@jrg The NSA has it, the FSB, ...

jrg

@Fabby If I had enough money I could get the whole thing.

For "auditing purposes"

Fabby

Indeed...

jrg

21:26

I know that banks do that

Fabby

A few years ago, the Russian Government was going to drop Windoze

(if they didn't get the source code)

(Vista era even)

So...

You don't even have to pay...

Just have enough clout...

jrg

Well, what I meant with "enough money" was that it was a large enough contract

hbdgaf

Well, I think a lot of countries are choosing to go with linuces for that reason. India did, did the German school system? I mean in a LOT of cases linux makes sense for that reason.

Fabby

;)

jrg

because that's how M$ makes their money. OEM, office, consulting.

cloud probably is 4th, and i am ignoring xbox.

Fabby

21:28

I was asked once to come and work for M$

Nathan Osman

Yeah, Xbox makes them a ton of money.

Fabby

I stupidly refused...

jrg

@Fabby a friend of mine is a consultant there

Fabby

I already had shares in the small software company I worked for... >:)

jrg

he says it's the best job he's ever had.

Fabby

21:29

I once met Bill Gates...

Nathan Osman

I live not too far from Redmond, myself :P

Uh-huh... sure...

Fabby

He actually came into our offices...

Nathan Osman

:)

Fabby

We were one of 4 companies outside of the US doing Microsoft mail...

hbdgaf

Was he demo-ing USB capabilities with scanners in Windows ME?

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jrg

21:30

and he's done a little bit of everything, from startups to fortune 100 to defense contractors. says that MS is the best stuff he's ever done.

Fabby

and he wanted to talk to "these people" before launching MsMail 3.0

@jrg I know a few people who got a burn-out there...

(they also retured quite rich)

I mean: rich enough to retire in their 30s

Nathan Osman

I'm not 30 yet, so there's still hope.

Fabby

Not to for their children never to have to work... But still.

Well... I always planned to retire when I was 55...

hbdgaf

Yeah, that whole "microsoft employs more millionaire secretaries" thing

Fabby

I can't see it happen yet...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

21:32

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Q: Error installing Ubuntu on VirtualBox

I'm trying to install many different versions of Ubuntu (12.04/14.04, amd64/x86, server/desktop, etc.) on VirtualBox 14.3.26 on OSX 10.10 and I'm getting the following error: [ 0.000000] Fast TSC calibration failed.] It's the first and only thing to show on the screen before the VM turns off a...

Fabby

@hbdgaf I don't know about $-millionaires...

ByteCommander

@hbdgaf To your Linux in German schools thing: We still have XP. (coughing heavily)

Fabby

But enough to live on for the rest of your life...

ByteCommander

I'm back btw...

hbdgaf

Really? I must have my euro-countries mixed up

Fabby

21:33

@ByteCommander You're JOKING!

ByteCommander

NO!

Fabby

@hbdgaf I know in France FLOSS is big!

ByteCommander

I had IT classes last year. back then it was still XP.

Nathan Osman

@jrg: so I may have to take back everything I said about self-signed certificates the other day. Digital Ocean's private networking isn't isolated from other machines on the network, so in theory other machines could read some of the data in transit, requiring data to be encrypted. Guess what the CoreOS people recommend... :)

ByteCommander

But we have a few laptops with Win7 on them...

hbdgaf

21:34

List of Linux adopters

Linux adopters are organizations and individuals who have moved from other operating systems to Linux. == Government == As local governments come under pressure from institutions such as the World Trade Organization and the International Intellectual Property Alliance, some have turned to Linux and other Free Software as an affordable, legal alternative to both pirated software and expensive proprietary computer products from Microsoft, Apple and other commercial companies. The spread of Linux affords some leverage for these countries when companies from the developed world bid for govern...

So, I was misinformed. Not ALL, but a whole lot.

Fabby

@hbdgaf CERN runs CrayLinux...

The most advanced HW in the world runs the most advanced OS in the world...

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(and Ubuntu!!!)

All CERN's Distributed Computing runs on Ubuntu VMs...

(and a lot of the lab stuff too!)

just not the Cray...

ByteCommander

Why do you know? Don't tell me you were there too...

Fabby

:D Actually,

hbdgaf

I wonder if that guy that did the rpi beowulf cluster posted the schematic for his custom power rail boards.

Fabby

@ByteCommander I was... :P

ByteCommander

21:37

>.<

Fabby

@ByteCommander I've got the t-shirt to prove it!

I could post a picture...

Lemme look...

ByteCommander

We planned to visit it with our Physics class, but they let forgot it or were too lazy or whatever... :P

jrg

@NathanOsman self-signed certificates!

ByteCommander

Is it worth it? Maybe I can still shake the guy awake who proposed it...

Fabby

hbdgaf

21:40

@ByteCommander That would be an advantage to growing up somewhere larger. We did week long class trips to DC to see museums and such... and then I get back to the boonies and can't believe there are people in their 50s that haven't been to the Smithsonian. So, yes - completely understand....

Fabby

@ByteCommander Yes and no...

Yes, if you get a chance...

No if most of your class isn't interested...

Just go with Mum and dad and get in yourself...

I just got in...

ByteCommander

Well, the class is mostly interested, as the teacher is, but nobody is really wnating to organize it... And it's expensive.

Fabby

It's free!

Just a bus...

ByteCommander

Bus for 40 people...

Fabby

Yeah?

Cost = 1/40 of a bus!

hbdgaf

21:43

transportation, possibly lodging, non-cafeteria food, lots of hidden costs there.

Fabby

Get in in the evening,

sleep on the bus

take the tour,

get in the bus

get back home in the morning!

sleep on the bus

2 nights, 1 day!

ByteCommander

I don't know. I'm terribly bad in organizing things...

Fabby

It's not like you have to fly in!!!

Organize it!

Do it!

ByteCommander

I just heard what others discussed.

Fabby

It'll help you get better at organizing if you take something way over your head!

ByteCommander

21:44

And the formalities with school insurance, etc

Fabby

That's the principle's problem!

hbdgaf

^^ and that, but it's just a waiver here.

Fabby

Not in EU...

You have to get special insurance by law...

(but as everyone is getting special insurance by law, it's cheap!)

ByteCommander

Hmm, I will talk to the guy who proposed it. Maybe he's still interested. If not, he can at least tell me how far he got.

TheX

I am glad to see transcripts from Google Voice is on its A game...

hbdgaf

21:46

Ahhh. Well schools have to be insured here - but if there's an outside activity - the parent can waive the liability or if someone refuses to waive the school's liability they have to be allowed to still show up to school and be put in a room with a TA or whatever.

Fabby

@ByteCommander Talk to the guy and then start organising...

ByteCommander

Maybe... ;)

Fabby

call 3 bus companies and ask for their rates and sleeping system...

Call CERN and ask to speak to someone from PR that speaks German...µ

ByteCommander

I'll write him a mail tomorrow.

Fabby

Go see the guy.

In person!

It's pretty easy to organise...

ByteCommander

21:48

?! Travelling to Swiss for nothing?

hbdgaf

Nothing says I don't really care like an email. Eye contact and a handshake can go a long way...

Fabby

But then, I've organised deployments of software in 50+ countries and 170+ sites...

@ByteCommander Ah! :D

I thought it was someone from your school who started doing stuff already!

@hbdgaf Sounds weird to us...

@ByteCommander Call then...

hbdgaf

totally normal in the US.

ByteCommander

Maybe... ;)

I am not sure.

Fabby

@ByteCommander But insurance is so expensive there!

TheX

21:51

Should I update using the GUI or should I be an elitist and use the CLI...

ByteCommander

This is a great responsibility.

I usually prefer to stay in the background.

Fabby

@TheX Use whatever tool is best for the job...

TheX

@Fabby I think they both function equally well...

Fabby

@ByteCommander You can use me as a sounding board...

@ByteCommander Start by drawing up a plan and send it to me...

I'll verify!

@TheX So why ask? (Or didn't I get your Q?)

ByteCommander

@Fabby Don't understand what you mean...?

Fabby

21:54

@ByteCommander Make a plan to make it happen.

Send the plan to me

I'll correct it.

You'll learn and no one (in your school) will ever know that someone helped you!

It's easy:

ByteCommander

Okay, I will think about it.

Fabby

1/ Call 3 bus companies and ask for rates

2/ Call CERN PR dept

3/ fix a date in summer holiday

ByteCommander

But first of all I will talk to the guy who proposed it and my teacher.

Fabby

Nah!

RPi Awesomeness

Fabby

21:56

Give your teacher the plan...

ByteCommander

@RPiAwesomeness That's the best one by now!

TheX

@Fabby just wanted to know everyone opinion, @RPiAwesomeness are you a living billboard for Raspberry Pi?

Fabby

@RPiAwesomeness Good. Less pixels between | and .

(and then it will be perfect)

When you don't know what this is about (and you've seen it way too many times)

it reads like Pi 21

hbdgaf

What if you make the RPI logo bigger, so he's actually pointing at it... and adjust the text size accordingly.

Fabby

not Pi 2!

ByteCommander

21:58

I have to discuss with them first because I don't know how far they already planned anything and if they're still on it or if they stopped and for what reason. Could also have been that the principal denied it... I have no idea. I missed a long time this year.

Fabby

Sometimes you just have to jump on the tiger...

(but then, that's me!)

ByteCommander

Oh. and it's about 5:30h to drive one way.

Fabby

Car or bus?

Buses do 90Km/h on average...

ByteCommander

@Fabby You're a tiger?? I thought you were a Vorlon... Can they morph their shape?

Google maps.

Fabby

"to ride a tiger" = to do something dangerous...

But sometimes you only have a choice between being eaten by the tiger or ride it!

hbdgaf

22:01

and the sister expression "you can't ride the tiger forever"

Fabby

:D

hbdgaf

meaning and when you make a small mistake - it eats you

ByteCommander

@Fabby And after that you told "but then, that's me" - So you're the tiger. Or not?

Fabby

no...

I like riding tigers... >:)

ByteCommander

Then I did not understand... Can happen.

Fabby

22:02

I like riding tigers = that's me...

You can fool some of the people most of the time...
You can fool most of the people some of the time...
but you can fool enough people enough of the time to make it worth your while...
>:)

RPi Awesomeness

@TheX Making a thumbnail for my vid.

Fabby

@ByteCommander That's car... Buses are slower...

ByteCommander

Well, this tiger is in someone else's cage at the moment. I have to ask before it will be free and ready to jump.

Fabby

:D

Good man!

Do it!

Ask!

ByteCommander

Okay okay. Tomorrow!

Fabby

22:05

(and don't be put off if they couldn't make it happen)

You will be able! ;-)

(with a little bit of help)

ByteCommander

(I know I am procrastinating...)

Fabby

;-)

Good night all!

Watch a movie and sleep!

TheX

@RPiAwesomeness OHH!

RPi Awesomeness

@TheX lol, yeah :)

ByteCommander

@Fabby You leave? What about pi-orbitals?

Fabby

22:08

What??? Now???

I thought you had 2-3 weeks???

ByteCommander

We can do it tomorrow, sure.

I just thought we could have started earlier... Then we might have finished now.

But the time flew by...

I will need my rest soon too.

hbdgaf

I always heard that one differently.
You can fool all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time but never all of the people all of the time.

ByteCommander

@hbdgaf You doubled the first phrase.

Fabby

@hbdgaf That's the generally accepted one...

The other one is mine...

ByteCommander

But just one question: How deep is your knowledge about those pi orbitals?

Fabby

22:13

I told you before: It's been 30! years since I've done any of that stuff...

So in a general sense: yes...

ByteCommander

With electron configuration in orbitals and quantum physics stuff? Or just the more basic things

Fabby

I don't know how much I'll remember

Former...

I know how pigments work...

and how to design colours...

ByteCommander

Okay. We'll see tomorrow then. I'll warm up a room when I log in...

Fabby

I just don't remember how much I remember...

What time? Because I've got stuff to do too...

ByteCommander

@Fabby ;) ^ Could also be a quote of Aristotle...

Fabby

22:16

:P :D

What time?

ByteCommander

When do you have time? I have holidays.

Fabby

Not morning...

ByteCommander

So except the early morning (sleep is important) I am free.

Fabby

Not early afternoon...

19:00?

ByteCommander

A bit late, but okay. I'll be around longer and we'll find each other.

I will prepare my questions for you until then.

Fabby

22:18

Tomorrow is a really busy day for me...

Mateo

@RPiAwesomeness nice one

Fabby

Look, you've got my skype.

If it's urgent, skype me...

ByteCommander

Oh. Really? I thought you're still searching for a job.

Fabby

If I'm not responding on skype: call me.

RPi Awesomeness

@Mateo Yeah. I think I'm just gonna tweak that one a bit and go with it.

ByteCommander

22:19

I don't have skype.

Fabby

Yes I am, biut there's other stuff too...

TheX

I wish I had a skype friend...

But nobody loves me...

Fabby

The job hunt is the reason not in the morning...

SMS me.

ByteCommander

And there is no need to call... It's not urgent. And I can do the parts of the stuff I understand without you.

Fabby

Hold on!

It's after midnight!

Looking at the wrong day!

TheX

22:20

Not even my wife will add me...

Fabby

13:00???

TheX

Which honestly I can't blame her for that...

ByteCommander

Just come when you have time and I'll either be there or not. I think I'm on after noon too.

Fabby

@TheX Does she have Skype???

TheX

Honestly I don't even know lol

Fabby

22:21

Ping me!

ByteCommander

You're still in CET? (UTC+1)

Fabby

Yup. Same TZ as you!

ByteCommander

Fabby?

Okay.

Fabby

I was adding an alarm to my agenda...

For you! :P

ByteCommander

Good. Then see you tomorrow. :)

Fabby

22:22

Ciao!

ByteCommander

Ciao!

Fabby

Good night all!

Closing down...

3... 2... 1...

ByteCommander

Sleep well and dream of unicorns... ;)

RPi Awesomeness

I feel this one is ... a bit too crowded:

hbdgaf

Maybe if you switched which leaf he's holding and a tiny bit smaller so he's still pointing at it, but you have more whitespace and you're not violating that rule of thirds thing.

RPi Awesomeness

22:32

@hbdgaf Oh, good idea.

I really think I'm just gonna drop that top text. Doesn't really fit in and makes everything too complicated

hbdgaf

Yeah. I think that one would work without the top text and the It's the text at the top and the rpi red text moved up and to the left to balance out the space instead of centering it on the logo.

What font are you using for the script/written text?

hbdgaf

22:48

Might move that top text a little to the left to align the left hand side of the two text blocks

@RPiAwesomeness - don't know if you'll like it, but I think that's pretty neat. Maybe crop off some of the bottom whitespace too

o/ @chaskes

ByteCommander

It seems like update-notifier-common package is broken. How can I fix it? Reinstall doesn't work...

hbdgaf

thought you were headed to bed?

ByteCommander

I thought so too... :P

hbdgaf

oh no, that was fabby...

ByteCommander

Actually I had the same plan.

But then I decided to check for updates once again before going to sleep - Bam!

You have an idea?

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