Ask Ubuntu General Room

George Edison

00:00

(Ubuntu 11.04 is the latest stable release at the moment. 11.10 is slated for release in October.)

rumtscho

OK, I'm installing the latest stable from the mozillateam ppa now

@Jin doesn't reproduce with Firefox 6.0.2 on Ubuntu 10.10

George Edison

One thing is for sure... the window manager in that screenshot is either ugly to begin with or it's using an ugly theme.

rumtscho

Maybe somebody removed Unity and installed a standard Gnome.

That means that the fonts explanation could be the right one.

George Edison

Yeah, that's a very likely explanation.

WHA....???

Internet Explorer passed the Acid3 test?

Jin

@rumtscho thanks!

@rumtscho do you mind comment on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/107297/…

then i'll mark it as status-norepro..

i really need a ubuntu box..

rumtscho

00:09

@GeorgeEdison The new one?

George Edison

IE10.

@Jin VirtualBox is great for that sort of thing :)

rumtscho

@Jin I have a live USB stick.

You can always have it around, and, unlike a LiveCD, you can install apps you need on it and access from any PC you are around (provided the Bios is not locked up).

George Edison

@rumtscho Yes, that's a good idea (installing on a USB stick).

Lee Jarratt

Hello guys

Jin

@rumtscho thanks for the comment!

rumtscho

00:14

@Jin np, glad I could help.

Lee Jarratt

Quick question, is the Sun Java JDK in the Canonical Partner software source the 64 bit one?

Marco Ceppi

@Jin Permenant Ubuntu box is more like it :)

Lee Jarratt

I can't install it manually, I tried with instructions but still having difficulty

I just want the latest available version of Java x64 :(

Marco Ceppi

@LeeJarratt It should be in partner

Jin

@MarcoCeppi ha can you repro that bug?

Lee Jarratt

00:15

It's just when I was installing it through terminal, the architecture was not x64

So I'm not sure if I'm running a 64-bit version of java :S

Marco Ceppi

@Jin Yes, BUT only if I increase the font size by 1.

So at normal font size it's fine.

Jin

@MarcoCeppi what do you mean by increase? page zoom? or you manually adjusted the font size via firebug

Marco Ceppi

@Jin Whatever Ctrl++ does

rumtscho

@GeorgeEdison It's not just for test purposes. It is also because 1) when I need a tool which works perfectly well under Linux, I don't want to have to look for a non-shareware Windows alternative and install it on somebody's machine, 2) I have a clean system to boot when somebody cries

"look at my computer, it is acting strangely", and 3) when I try using somebody else's computer, everything is wrong. There is no way to arrange windows on the desktop, my FF addons are missing, my browser history is missing... So I just boot from the thing and the world is nice again.

George Edison

@Marco: support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/…

That page details what Ctrl++ does.

Lee Jarratt

00:19

okay

rumtscho

@Jin Ha, caught it! It happens to me in FF too, when I hit Ctrl++. Chromium keeps it alright.

Jin

ok i see that too on OSX FF

hmm

Lee Jarratt

It's just when I was installing it through terminal, the architecture was not x64
So I'm not sure if I'm running a 64-bit version of java :S

Marco Ceppi

@Jin I made a video for you, but it turned out like this

►

Jin

uh oh

George Edison

00:20

Just the /users and /tags methods left to go!

Jin

@MarcoCeppi what is that? am i being trolled?

Marco Ceppi

Youtube is trolling both of us

Lee Jarratt

I was just wondering if someone could please help me or point me in the right direction :)

George Edison

@Lee: What is the problem?

Marco Ceppi

Works right in Chrome/Chromium

rumtscho

00:21

@Jin Reproduced on FF under Windows 7 too (with zoom)

Lee Jarratt

I just want the latest version of 64-bit Java installed on my system. I tried the instructions on the sun java site but with no luck

I've installed java from the canonical partner repository but I don't think it's the x64 version, and it is slightly outdated

rumtscho

@GeorgeEdison This got somewhat buried, but I actually like the news. I mean, people will be using IE regardless of whether it is standard-conform or not, just because their bosses have to settle on a standard and with Microsoft, it is easiest. So everybody wins if it stops being a steaming pile.

George Edison

Are you referring to the Java runtime or the Java Development Kit (JDK)?

Lee Jarratt

Java runtime

rumtscho

@LeeJarratt Are you sure that Oracle still distributes Java for Linux? I am sure they wanted to stop it, just don't know if it has been implemented yet.

George Edison

00:25

@rumtscho Lol... you would enjoy reading this then.

Lee Jarratt

I can get the latest version from here:

java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en

I just don't know how I would install it, the instructions baffle me

George Edison

Are you using the package from the Canonical partner repository?

@LeeJarratt Those are RPM packages. You would need to convert them to DEBs using alien before you could install them.

RPM is a package for Red-Hat based distros. The DEB package format is used by distros that derive from Debian (like Ubuntu).

rumtscho

webupd8.org/2011/09/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-jdk-in.html

George Edison

@rumtscho Ah, there we go.

Lee Jarratt

Oh okay

George Edison

00:30

If that fails, I'd suggest using alien to convert one of the RPMs.

Lee Jarratt

Yeah, it's saying failed to extract files

rumtscho

@LeeJarratt look at the link I posted, it explains how to install the newest Java. (It comes from a different repository, because the partner one is no longer updated).

5 mins ago, by rumtscho

http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-jdk-in.html

Lee Jarratt

Brilliant thank you!

I shall try this out :)

rumtscho

Lol

I knew about the decision to stop distributing, but hadn't read the comments on Hacker News when it came out.

One of them is I'm sure somewhere RMS is saying "I told you so."

rumtscho

01:00

Grr what a nuisance

I just bought some E Book from Amazon, and started Kindle for PC for the first time in ages.

It just went and installed an icon on the desktop.

Hey, if I deleted your icon, this means I don't want it! You shouldn't be reinstalling it when I start you!

Questions Feed

What do we do about topics spanning multiple versions of Ubuntu? http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1828/what-do-we-do-about-topics-spanning-multiple-versions-of-ubuntu #discussion

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 1:01 AM

George Edison

03:11

Credit to @RolandTaylor... but I have to share this one:

lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/1/128

Lol... lol... lol.

The reply is funny too.

Oooooh... I didn't realize the date the message was posted.

Amith KK

03:44

@GeorgeEdison LOL

still on windows

XP

I feel alone

in the dark

Amith KK

04:05

@MarcoCeppi how many weeks for the invites?

Plug and Pray (that it works)

Questions Feed

Performance of Ubuntu OS with H/W configuration http://askubuntu.com/questions/62884/performance-of-ubuntu-os-with-h-w-configuration #configuration

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 4:01 AM

George Edison

05:09

This user seems to not believe in capital letters:

askubuntu.com/posts/3481/revisions

htorque

06:36

morning

> 2011-09-24 rep +195 = 15110

hmpf

Amith KK

hello @htorque

congratz

Why is windows faster than ubuntu?

:?

YU no answer

htorque

it isn't faster here - you are doing something wrong :)

Amith KK

what?

i think nvidia is just better with windows

htorque

in CS:S via wine, nvidia blob in linux was not much slower than in windows.

besides, gpu performance is not exactly what defines os performance :P

Amith KK

Then , you mean you can fix it?

after this 12 hour dload

ill let you ssh in

Questions Feed

07:11

How to hide window title and menu bar in GNOME Shell? http://askubuntu.com/questions/62845/how-to-hide-window-title-and-menu-bar-in-gnome-shell #unity

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 7:01 AM

Rinzwind

07:40

@FlackBot man locate

FlackBot

manpage for the locate command.

Rinzwind

@FlackBot man locatedb

FlackBot

manpage for the locatedb command.

Amith KK

@Rinzwind Do you like 8bit?

htorque

@FlackBot man, what's up?

FlackBot

07:43

That's a nice command, but I really don't know what it is.

Amith KK

Ah! the beauty of Sonic 3 and Knux

Most awesome 8bit game evah

I once owned a Genesis

George Edison

Night all.

FlackBot

Goodbye!

Amith KK

g'night @GeorgeEdison

Rinzwind

Good nigh George :-P

Rinzwind

08:06

I love powertop O+

htorque

@FlackBot man grep'); DROP ALL TABLES; --

FlackBot

manpage for the grep command.

htorque

:P

Rinzwind

powertop --calibrate made my battery life jump from 2:05 to 2:55 O+

htorque

it just turns down some energy stuff

Rinzwind

08:07

poor flackbot is getting hacked! :+)

@htorque sure but doing it manually takes up too much time >:)

htorque

powertop in oneiric sucks as it doesn't report wakeups >:(

can't understand why they didn't keep the old one

Rinzwind

it'll come back :=)

htorque

yeah, in prickly porcupine

Rinzwind

Porcupines are prickly O+

htorque

but without wakeup reports powertop is pretty much useless

Rinzwind

08:20

true true :()

" 2691664 pkts/s Device Network interface: wlan0"
>:-D

htorque

you pirate!

:P

Amith KK

Torrenting...

htorque

08:36

torrenting what? :>

illegal downloads → five years in prison!

Amith KK

ubuntu is illegal?

i never knew that

Rinzwind

Pirate? Downloading music and movies is legal in Holland >:-D

i am also allowed to download copies of games and software I actuall own btw

Takkat

@Rinzwind my saying ;)

Hi @htorque, @AmithKK

Amith KK

hi

Chrome notification looks ugly oin windows

lazyPower

why yes, yes it does

Rinzwind

08:56

@AmithKK blame windows :=)

htorque

@Takkat hi :)

lazyPower

I didnt realize how much i missed unity until i dropped it back on my desktop

god i'm so much more efficient with ubuntu

4

htorque

i was more efficient with the two panel setup (i usually have more instances of applications opened)

lazyPower

<super> w helps with that

its kind of replaced my need for GnomeDO as well. i just wish unity panel had a flickr upload tool like Do did

Takkat

@lazyPower alt + tab is great too...

lazyPower

09:00

only shows current workspace

i work across all four

Takkat

true ;)

Amith KK

unity is good for 1 instance multiple apps

it's also good to slow down my computer

lazyPower

hmmm.. i dunno. i dont see any issues with multi instance apps.

not yet anyway

htorque

super-w alt-tab → that's all slower than doing one click

Rinzwind

new world record Marathon Berlin \o

htorque

09:06

and hopefully youngest double world champion today ;)

but he will become it anyways

if not today then in two weeks

@lazyPower alt+tab doesn't only show the current workspace

at least not in oneiric

lazyPower

I"m still using 11.4, so i dunno what oneiric does.

Takkat

@htorque I never found the right application window in the panels

htorque

BOO

:D

lazyPower

i value my stable system :)

htorque

do you also wear a safety helmet at home? >:P

(j/k ;))

Takkat

09:11

> urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request

how I hate this

htorque

i'm just hooked up to ubuntu+1

Amith KK

@lazyPower Oneric Increases Bling and decreases speed

htorque

@Takkat then don't send bad requests :P

lazyPower

Then i'll stick with 11.04 until the speed issues are fixed. i like the speed of 11.04, i dont need more candy, it rots teeth :P

Takkat

I only I knew what is bad...

htorque

09:12

@AmithKK then use unity 2d or the classic fallback

Amith KK

@htorque Ill use that

On Windows now

htorque

my condolences - again :D

Rinzwind

@AmithKK speed is perfect on oneiric \o (after tweaking 1 module)

my condolences too! >:)

Amith KK

@Rinzwind HOW?

htorque

if ubuntu would always try to run perfect on ancient hardware, it would be called fluxbuntu - and i don't want that :D

Rinzwind

09:14

well wireless was slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow but all I had to do was
gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf
options ath9k nohwcrypt=1

and now my Oneiric it is purring perfectly

assuming ocelots can pur :=)

htorque

you just can't have the latest and greatest on ancient hardware (no matter if that works fine for you or not).

Alaukik

@htorque the latest stable release is 7.10

why would anyone use that

Rinzwind

oh and I can confirm now (after doing 2 full battery discharges and charges) oneiric with powertop calllibration did indeed increase battery life by 40 minutes \o/

lazyPower

Nice!

i'm all for battery optimization

htorque

buy a second battery → problem solved. :P

my laptop is plugged 90% of time

Rinzwind

09:20

my notebook ( :+ ) is on battery during weekdays almost 100% (except in the evening)

Takkat

09:35

\o/ found what was bad on my request: just a tiny little missing /

now for the next bug

lazyPower

09:46

@GeorgeEdison i really like the new eyecandy in qtcreator, like the pulsing parenthesis matching

htorque

@Takkat bug hunting on a sunny sunday? :)

Takkat

yeah - still remnants of my coding marathon 2 weeks ago ;P

htorque

impressive! after two weeks i would already have lost interest in my project. :D

Takkat

As there is quite some coding involved as well it's still fun.

Amith KK

@Takkat What is your job

Takkat

09:56

My job is my future

I don't make money from coding if that is what you're interested

Amith KK

:D

htorque

oh, "my job is my future" - in that case that's crap

Takkat

@htorque I am preparing my occupation for my retirement

Hope to be able to retire soon.

Only one major problem:

Still need to work for several years to make sure I will not die from starvation.

htorque

hehe

i'm not counting on retirement. i'll have to work till 80 then i'll die during my first day in retirement. :D

Takkat

My plan is to work until working is no more fun then retire.

Already failed.

Should have retired years ago.

htorque

10:08

maybe reskill? cook, florist, prime minister...

Takkat

I have no skills other than needed for being prime minister :P

How do I apply?

htorque

i'd vote for you - cannot get any worse, right? :D:D

Takkat

:D true that. One vote doesn't help.

My daughter would vote for me too.

But she'll only be able to do so in 11 years

By then she will no longer want to vote for me

htorque

hehehe

at least you know what's awaiting you :P

Takkat

;)

Questions Feed

10:22

Bounty offered: Laptop on battery -Wireless Mouse looses connection http://askubuntu.com/questions/62315/laptop-on-battery-wireless-mouse-looses-connection #wireless

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Amith KK

@Takkat I'd vote for you, If you come to india

Takkat

before you do consider this: @AmithKK won't be able to become prime minister of India then

Amith KK

i dont want to be the corruption minister

THIS MESSAGE IS SENT FROM A WINDOWS PC AND IS NOT TO BE STARRED

Rinzwind

Marco would have kicked you from the channel for that >:) (and this msg may be starred :=) )

7

Rinzwind

10:40

:+)

lazyPower

10:51

@AmithKK you were asking the other day what i meant by mud -> coderchuck.com/?p=34

htorque

invalid, invalid, ivalid, ... autoflagger does a crappy job

Takkat

bbl

Amith KK

11:15

@lazyPower That MUD!

I'd play

lazyPower

The server and port are in the post. have at it buddy

Amith KK

im on windows ,

lazyPower

zmud, megamud, etc. are all available for windows

Amith KK

so, i dont feel like installing softeare

lazyPower

:P, well its there whenever. its not going anywhere.

Amith KK

11:18

@lazyPower You use androidifiy? Sweet

lazyPower

@GeorgeEdison If you come around today, i need some help from a qtcreator pro like yourself, in setting up my build environment to auto-launch a terminal. I'm thinking i'm a victim of a bug that i cannot confirm.

@AmithKK yeah i did back in the day. I've since removed most of the useless android apps :P

Amith KK

11:40

@MarcoCeppi 2buntu is down

lazyPower

you guys have quite a bit of problems with 2buntu it seems...

Amith KK

IDK

But

im sure

microsoft is doing it

And, my post is not saved

htorque

maybe they banned you :P

Amith KK

@htorque Gaaah qindowsxa

xcl; sd/cl

htorque

is that hindi for "you are a wise man"?

आप एक बुद्धिमान व्यक्ति हैं

or that? :D

Amith KK

11:52

No that would be आप एक बुद्धिमान व्यक्ति हैं

ninja'd

htorque

is that "you a wise man are" or "are a wise man you"? (is hindi ltr or rtl?)

yoda speak :P

Amith KK

:P

Amith KK

12:12

FOR SALE BY OWNER
Complete set of Encyclopedia Britannica. 45 volumes. Excellent condition.

$1,000.00 or best offer.

No longer needed. Got married last weekend. Wife knows ****ing everything.

lazyPower

12:42

narrows eyes i see what ya did there

Marco Ceppi

@AmithKK unscheduled maintenance

It'll be up in a second

lazyPower

@MarcoCeppi is 2buntu on ondina now?

Marco Ceppi

Yes, one of the beta servers

First outage since the switch IIRC

lazyPower

Thats fantastic :) ... in regards to having people up and already hosted on it....

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, it hosts all my personal stuff and 2buntu so far.

lazyPower

12:55

awsomesauce. I've got about 8 users on my public bbs now :D it cracks me up that people have joined, and nearly immediately state "wow this is nostalgic"

Questions Feed

13:11

How do i make/extract/modify source of Ubuntu packages and repack them? http://askubuntu.com/questions/62919/how-do-i-make-extract-modify-source-of-ubuntu-packages-and-repack-them #packaging

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Amith KK

13:45

Im amazed by the sheer amount of .exe files on my pc

Rinzwind

14:05

you only need 1 :=) shutdown.exe >:D

or format.exe >;D

Takkat

Nicely said - lol

Amith KK

@Rinzwind Awesome

QWERTYPOIUASDFLKJHGZXCVMNB < This is sparta @Rinzwind

Rinzwind

14:27

Did you see the post about terminator on webupd8?

Alvar

0

Q: Which of all console web browsers is the most practical?

There are a lot of console browsers, links2, Lynx, w3m and Elinks (I only know these). I want to know which one of all console browsers are most practical to browse with if you are logged into a server via ssh and have to browse the web.

hi all! :D

FlackBot

Hey, nice to see you!

Alvar

@rinzwind do you have any experience in this area? :D

Rinzwind

I always use links :=)

Alvar

I have used links2 some

but I want to know if there is a better one...

Amith KK

14:36

I use elinks

:D

Alvar

tell me WHY

in the question *

Amith KK

Its awesome :D

sorry, cant open new tabs

Alvar

question eligible for bounty in 2 days
what does this mean?

@AmithKK whoot?

Amith KK

!@@#%@%#!@$#@#%^$^@$#Q!$#!%#^$@$#!$#%$%!@#$Q!#$@$%!$%@%$@%@$%#!@$%#$%!@#$@$%@#$!‌%^# slow internetz

Marco Ceppi

14:54

@Alvar That question is pretty subjective

Alvar

@MarcoCeppi I jsut realized that....

trying to improve it...

@MarcoCeppi is it more clear now?

Amith KK

15:16

►

Amith KK

15:29

@nitstorm heya

nitstorm

@AmithKK: hey Amith :) Just got back from church.. gimme a few mins, will be back ;)

back..

Alaukik

15:51

@AmithKK how is that funny ?

Amith KK

@Alaukik it isnt

Mark Russell

It's not funny at all. It is however overwrought.

Alaukik

the bill gates quote is also wrong

14

Q: Did Bill Gates say 640k ought to be enough for everyone?

This is a quite famous quote: 640k ought to be enough for anybody. Did Bill Gates say this?

computers quotes bill-gates

Mark Russell

No, maybe that's not the right... over the top. I mean free software winning is like overthrowing heliocentricism?

yeah actually, now I do think it's funny.

It hilariously takes itself way too seriously.

Questions Feed

Bounty offered: How do I install Oracle JDK 7? http://askubuntu.com/questions/55848/how-do-i-install-oracle-jdk-7 #java

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on September 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Amith KK

16:10

@Alaukik maybe RedHat snuck into bill gats shower? :P

Mark Russell

@Ala

@Alaukik... good question about the dash. Someone hopefully can answer it definitively, because I am annoyed by the move.

What I gather from ayatana is that a) people were hitting it thinking it would close a window and b) that people were clicking the home folder button thinking it would bring the dash.

Jorge Castro

good afternoon!

@MarkRussell I'm on a plane!

Mark Russell

maybe someone from dx will settle it.

o/

@JorgeCastro Way to AskUbuntu.com like a boss!

3

Jorge Castro

heh yeah

I am stuck in a middle seat though, makes typing annoying

Mark Russell

hehehe

Jorge Castro

16:17

Man

Mark Russell

@JorgeCastro openstack related travel I'm assuming?

Jorge Castro

this new bounty thing is awesome

3

I can just post 3 bounties at a time

and basically give out my points so people keep questions up to date

lazyPower

that is fairly awesome, whomever came up with the idea, had a winner.

Jorge Castro

16:29

indeed

I'm going to end up giving all my points away, heh

Stack Overflow Blog: Bounty Reasons and Post Notices

Posted by Jeff Atwood on September 23rd, 2011

It’s been a little over a year since our last improvement to the bounty system. Question bounties have been working well enough that we’re comfortable encouraging even more use of the bounty system.

We used to limit people to one question bounty at a time, but now you can have up to three simultaneous question bounties. We also show the history and number of bounties you’ve started or participated in on your user page, on the bounties tab.

Upon further reflection, we realized that it can be difficult to tell exactly what a question bounty is for. That is, what is the bounty own …

the brilliant part is being able to declare a reason and add a bit of a custom message

now I can say things like "this needs to be updated for 11.10", etc.

Alaukik

16:43

is anyone else here using 11.10?

Jorge Castro

I am

Amith KK

I am using windows

Alaukik

the new screenshot flash that is present is that unity-specific ?

Mark Russell

@Alaukik si!

Alaukik

when you take a screenshot of a area that area has a flash effect

Mark Russell

16:46

yeah that's new. i definitely don't remember that before.

mind you I also like shutter better but still pretty sure that's new.

Jorge Castro

I think that came from gnome 3

pretty sure it isn't unity

Mark Russell

(er I answered a question not asked, well dont jorge, reading comp++)

well done!

jeez, it was only one beer!

Jorge Castro

heh

Mark Russell

(cracks #2)

Jorge Castro

man I didn't know eric hammond was paying attention on the aws questions

awesome

Mark Russell

16:48

RIGHT?

Although that does limit my point oppo's... :-/

:)

Jorge Castro

heh

I just voted for both of you

Mark Russell

Ah yes, I know the question you speak of... yep. and my comment on his answer was totally genuine... pretty soon, when i'm not too lazy, I'm totally using his tips there. that's hot. never thought of it.

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