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Journeyman Geek

04:00

(ash was left with us 'temporarily' 9 years ago by his ex-mom. She's never even asked how he's doing)

Lucio

@JourneymanGeek totally :)

Journeyman Geek

He's a mini snauzer crossed with... something

Lucio

@JourneymanGeek just a couple more of days.. weeks.. years

lol

Journeyman Geek

yeah

"Oh, my husband dosen't like the dog, I'll pick him up in a few days when things have cooled down"

Lucio

then, they break xD

Journeyman Geek

04:03

and she adopted 2 dogs from the SPCA. A common relative of ours says they're horrible neurotic little things

naw, they sorted it out.

oh god.

the eyes ;p

Lucio

hahahaha

unbelievable

Journeyman Geek

and damn, he was skinny then ;p

Lucio

there is no doubt that is a lovely dog

Another one @chaskes askubuntu.com/q/463196/62483 ;)

chaskes

@Lucio that one I don't know the answer to.

Lucio

me neither O.O

I thought 'cause of the title that was dev related

Avinash Raj

04:08

@Lucio is this you dog?

chaskes

@Lucio People have asked me the same question at work (in windows), but I can't figure it out. It's something to do with new java security policies, but I don't know why the setting won't persist. In Win, it seems to come and go with no reason.

Lucio

The good of been connected at this our is that you can write things like this:

Advice = read | start talking as a human with humans; — Lucio 20 secs ago

@AvinashRaj yep

@chaskes but what browser?

chaskes

chrome and firefox

Lucio

sandiego.edu/usdmsgl/software/java-security/index.php

damn, IE

Does someone wants to help me out with this one :)

chaskes

right, but like the AU question java jre doesn't seem to fully respect that setting

Lucio

04:12

isn't that a .NET web site?

chaskes

i don't know

Lucio

I can read this -> http///...asdfajshkdf.....asp?

pretty strange

chaskes

oh, yes, that's .net, but the problem is coming from the jre as far as I know

hbdgaf

@Lucio I had that problem. I had to delete ALL EFI partitions to get my ASUS to stop trying to boot in EFI mode even though everything was disabled.

Lucio

@chaskes that's why I found it strange

o/

hbdgaf

04:16

o/

Lucio

@hbdgaf say the true, you got a hammer and started physically removing all the partitions even though everything was fall to pieces.

hbdgaf

I was trying to triple boot Win, Ubu, and BSD. When it wouldn't stop fighting me, I broke out the chainsaw.

chaskes

@hbdgaf My efi asus will boot standard bios from an external usb hd

Lucio

I don't understand anything of that *efi* ~~technology~~ species

hbdgaf

@chaskes Mine was a first gen touchscreen+efi+win8. So it was probably an initial implementation bug or something.

chaskes

04:21

plus, mine was an ubuntu pre-install, never had win. I think win8 seems to really affect efi booting

Nathan Osman

StackApplet working for everyone now?

hbdgaf

@Lucio Basically, require all the initial booting stuff to be signed by a "trusted party". Think - trying to prevent bootkits by making a non-tpm boot security model a standard.

chaskes

I have several linux plus pcbsd on it

hbdgaf

@chaskes I wound up getting Ubu + FreeBSD

chaskes

cool

hbdgaf

04:22

Anyone read this? The theory is really interesting scs.stanford.edu/brop

chaskes

interesting link

hbdgaf

Yeah.

Lucio

yesterday, by Nathan Osman

@terdon Someone else found it... not me :P

Nathan Osman

@Lucio Can we leave that one alone, please?

Lucio

:D

I knew you were going that say it! :P

hbdgaf

04:28

I just looked at the what it was a reply to and giggled a little. "...afraid to ask what you were looking for when you found that...", but if we're leaving it alone, i won't read the conversation.

Lucio

leaving it...

I think that I just kill someone on the net O_O

hahaha

Facebook bought this for $2B: http://cl.ly/image/2C2x2h0s1N0k/fnU259J.gif

Tweeted by hshoff on May 9, 2014 at 4:17 AM

xD

hbdgaf

What is that... a bird simulator?

Lucio

You can bet it

hbdgaf

Lucio

hehe

There is no hope left for the car.

hbdgaf

04:37

First thing I thought when I saw it was "Man that must have been one big bird"

xiaodongjie

Hi

Just a question

Lucio

Oh crap, my mail server is down.. arghhhh

xiaodongjie

What means it that?
"You're invited to join the Opensource.com community mailing list."

@hbdgaf Hello

hbdgaf

@xiaodongjie o/

xiaodongjie

\o

please answer me with my question. It's spam?

I think that it's not spam.

I received that mail.

and logged in that site.

what is that?

hbdgaf

04:43

when i see "opensource.*" I always think it should be opensource.org not .com... The .org is the only one I would want to be on a mailing list for.

chaskes

that's a legitimate web site: opensource.com . It's a publication

xiaodongjie

oh, exactly it's not .org, is com.

chaskes

it's a real website.

hbdgaf

@chaskes I wasn't saying it wasn't legitimate. I was just saying I wouldn't want to be on a blog, magazine, or ezine mailing list. As compared to the OSI though, I wouldn't mind.

xiaodongjie

It's right.

chaskes

04:46

@hbdgaf understood. @xiaodongjie they want to send you newsletters and announcements

xiaodongjie

but I don't understand why They send me that mail.

chaskes

some place you registered probably shared your email with them

xiaodongjie

why? they want?

I don't have been registered that.

this morning, They contacted me.

I don't really understand.

hbdgaf

If you want more from them in your inbox, reply. Otherwise don't. Relatively simple I should think.

xiaodongjie

oh, I think so. But How did they contact me?

hbdgaf

04:50

That was answered already. Stop.

4 mins ago, by chaskes

some place you registered probably shared your email with them

xiaodongjie

@hbdgaf Oh, I see.

@hbdgaf calm down.

There are many things I want to know.

hbdgaf

That's fine, but when someone gives you the answer you should maybe stop going on about something.

xiaodongjie

@hbdgaf I understood you. I'll stop.

@hbdgaf 你是一个好朋友。

Lucio

good night

xiaodongjie

@Lucio 晚安。

chaskes

04:54

@hbdgaf You're a good friend

hbdgaf

get your mailserver back up @Lucio ?

chaskes

says @xiaodongjie

Lucio

not

that's why I say bye

@xiaodongjie esto no significa nada

@xiaodongjie esto tal ves

@xiaodongjie na, no realmente

xiaodongjie

@Lucio It's spanish?

chaskes

@Lucio 没关系

Lucio

04:55

@xiaodongjie no, korean

sadmicrowave

next question, subshell string manipulation using substring... this works perfectly fine:

echo $(ifconfig en0 | awk '/netmask/{$4=substr($4,3);print $4}')

but for academic purposes, I'm trying to condense using the other substr notation `${"$4":3}`, how could I use this notation in the command above?

Lucio

ciao people!

xiaodongjie

@Lucio It's korean?

really?

hbdgaf

@Lucio have a nice mind-bender getting you mail server back to functional.

chaskes

@xiaodongjie Spanish, he was joking

hbdgaf

04:56

@xiaodongjie it was spanish. he was being cheeky

xiaodongjie

Oh,

sadmicrowave

looks more like espanol

xiaodongjie

I know korean, too.

I already know that It's not korean.

My korean is very good.

sadmicrowave

yet you asked the question anyway

xiaodongjie

It's my second language.

chaskes

04:58

@sadmicrowave I think she was being cheeky in return

sadmicrowave

...possibly...

xiaodongjie

@chaskes Can you speak in korean?

@chaskes I can teach you it perfectly.

hbdgaf

@chaskes that's possible, but i can't determine that to be true when you get the "don't know how i got a subscription email invite to a blog" thing.

chaskes

@hbdgaf ;)

hbdgaf

►

chaskes

05:02

@xiaodongjie 不会说韩语

xiaodongjie

@chaskes 很好。

我知道了。

chaskes

@sadmicrowave I can't answer your bash question

sadmicrowave

@chaskes boooo

chaskes

sorry, still picking that kind of detailed bash syntax

sadmicrowave

well here is what I've got so far (mind you I'm working on a mac so you'll simply have to edit the `en0` interface to `eth0` if you want to run this on ubuntu) but it converts your ip address + subnet mask to cidr format:

while read y; do echo ${y%.*}".0/$(m=0; while read -n 1 x && [ $x = f ]; do m=$[m+4]; done < <(ifconfig en0 | awk '/mask/{$4=substr($4,3);print $4}'); echo $m )"; done < <(ifconfig en0 | awk '/inet[ ]/{print $2}');

mac doesn't have another way to get cidr formatted ip range so... this is my current solution...

hbdgaf

05:08

i'm not a big awk guy myself either. if it was a requisite to my job, i might have to "learn. NOW." aside from that though, i tend not to use it. also, it didn't output anything when running it against my wlan0 interface on ubuntu

sadmicrowave

@hbdgaf did you change en0 in both places?

hbdgaf

that's probably the problem

sadmicrowave

try and let me know please, if it still doesn't work it is bash version differences

hbdgaf

wait, i meant here : echo $(ifconfig en0 | awk '/netmask/{$4=substr($4,3);print $4}')

sadmicrowave

@hbdgaf yea? what about it?

hbdgaf

05:12

0 output

sadmicrowave

it should work without the "net" part as well because "mask" is unique in each interface block

@hbdgaf then it must be due to bash differences

chaskes

that's definitely possible

hbdgaf

derp, it's because ifconfig outs Mask here and netmask there

sadmicrowave

so you got it then?

hbdgaf

it's still not "right", but it does something.

sadmicrowave

05:14

haha, what does it do?

hbdgaf

> sk:255.255.255.0

sadmicrowave

hmm, sounds like the ordering of the interface info might be mixed up between OSs too

heres the one I made for debian:

echo $(/sbin/ip route | awk '/eth0/ && ++i==2 { print $1 }')

thats much easier because ip route has the information in debian, but ip doesn't exist in mac :(

now, it would be cool to make my first command cross-platform compatible but since I will only be using this on mac boxes that I will be deploying I'm not really that worried about it

alright, my Low Battery notification just popped up and I'm too lazy to get the power cable so...

night everyone

hbdgaf

why not something like:
>>> import socket, fcntl, struct
>>> iface = "wlan0"
>>> socket.inet_ntoa(fcntl.ioctl(socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM), 35099, struct.pack('256s', iface))[20:24])
>>> socket.inet_ntoa(fcntl.ioctl(socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_DGRAM), 35099, struct.pack('256s', iface))[20:24])
'255.255.255.0'
>>>

sadmicrowave

because thats python fool! and I wanted to learn bash

:p

hbdgaf

okay... just saying, you're having to write ten versions instead of one.

sadmicrowave

05:22

yea I know, I've actually already done it in python awhile ago... I just thought it would be a good exercise to do it in bash

hbdgaf

i think you're trying to learn awk, not bash ;)

sadmicrowave

psh

nothing wrong with that -- awk seems pretty powerful to me. sed does too, but thats a confusing nightmare right now... I'm sure I'll be getting into it next though

hbdgaf

sed is less complex than awk.

awk is a programming language unto itself...sort of like perl regexes

sadmicrowave

I don't know enough to debate you at this point

hbdgaf

it's fine. if you get awk on lockdown, you won't need sed... but you'll be killing a fly with a nuke

sadmicrowave

05:25

what I do know, is that this exercise made me learn about bash subshell variable scopes which is something I didn't know about before.... so there!

hbdgaf

:) have a better one.

sadmicrowave

?

hbdgaf

you said your battery was dying...

sadmicrowave

yea, 30 more seconds...

lol

later guys

Nathan Osman

05:44

<--- is trying out Atom.

hbdgaf

Atom seems neat. Not really sure what they're using as a webserver or if it only serves up static pages + js, but it does seem neat.

Nathan Osman

What does?

hbdgaf

Uhm, atom... the portable webapp thing.

Nathan Osman

It's a desktop app. It's built using node.js, though - so I understand the confusion.

hbdgaf

I know what it is. Webkit rolled in to an app where it crutches to JS for everything dynamic. I just wondered what it used for a webserver or if it was all static pages + js

Nathan Osman

05:54

Oh, oh, oh. I know what you're talking about now.

Yeah, that's a good question.

Journeyman Geek

node.js pretty much would do web servering, no?

Nathan Osman

@JourneymanGeek Yes, you can use node.js for web applications.

It's basically JavaScript - so it's heavily asynchronous.

Journeyman Geek

(I only have it installed for dispatch-proxy, which I use mainly as a poor man's client side load balancer)

hbdgaf

got the green-light on the rest of the four day weekend btw. now i just need to do something with it. hopefully i get django-cms + zinnia + saelor + django-axes all cooperating to make it a simple to manage deployable store with bonus parts that is still easy to manage.

Nathan Osman

Just started working with Flask/Jinja2.

hbdgaf

06:02

Flask is interesting, but it's a lot more minimalist than I might like. It's awesome for a standalone thing, but it doesn't handle how you handle your data.

Venki

06:30

This is off topic askubuntu.com/questions/463145/running-gnu-chess-on-windows

right??

Rinzwind

very offtopic

Venki

ok flagged'

How is this opinion based askubuntu.com/questions/463117/… ??

Coz the OP asks PROPER??

Rinzwind

06:47

no cuz the OP did not check the download ;-)

Venki

Oh!! BTW Is my answer here fine??? askubuntu.com/questions/459930/… I couldn't understand clearly when the OP says "I get a blank screen" and "Backlight" issue. So anyways i posted a different method to install the driver. Is it fine? Or completely silly??

Danatela

hi guys

Venki

@Danatela Hiiii!!!!

Danatela

OT: askubuntu.com/questions/463235/…

Rinzwind

hey danatela

and there could be girls here too

Venki

06:51

:-p

Flagged it

as OT

Danatela

BTW today we are celebrating the ending of Great Patriotic War =)

Venki

Hmmm... yes.. so says BBC too...

Rinzwind

-> meta: askubuntu.com/questions/463234/…

Venki

And BTW I saw news recently that a radio signal tower built during the times of Stalin(If I am right) was gonna be put down...what happened to it? @Danatela

Danatela

don't know... Probably it reached end of life

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Rinzwind

06:55

>:) -> meta.askubuntu.com/questions/9065/…

@Danatela if it is shut down on May 16th it might have been running 12.10 >:)

Venki

ha ha :-D

Ah...its time! Gotta leave... Ciao!! :-D

Rinzwind

doeg :)

Danatela

@Rinzwind ROFL but I think towers run Very-Extra-Long-Term-Support releases =P

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Q: How could I find my former private Ubuntu chat?

Recently I had a chat with someone here after I asked a question. Now, I need to find back that private discussion in order to check some of the solutions he gave me. How could I find my former chat with him ?

discussion

Danatela

07:16

Does anybody agree that I deserve the bounty for this answer?

Journeyman Geek

Its not for us to decide

;p

Danatela

@Parto hi

Madara Uchiha

@JourneymanGeek It could be

Journeyman Geek

but it isn't

Madara Uchiha

If the Bounty giver doesn't award, the highest voted answer gets half of it when the bounty ends.

Danatela

07:18

@JourneymanGeek yep. I just want to be a bounty-winner at least one time in life)

Journeyman Geek

which it is at the moment.

Parto

@Danatela Hey. Another bright morning.

But I guess it ain't morning everywhere :-)

Danatela

thanks whoever it was!

@Parto yep, it's afternoon in my time zone

@MadaraUchiha how does your problem go?

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela Hmm? My sound problem?

It went away on its own while the computer was suspended. I never found what caused it.

Danatela

hmm... However it was a screen problem. I remember you posted a long log with change resolution attempts

Madara Uchiha

07:25

Ah, that one.

Well, even after formatting and upgrading to 14.04, it still says "Unknown display" when I see it in the Displays GUI, and I still need to use cvt and xrandr to grant it 1080p resultion.

So I still have absolutely no idea what's wrong XD

Parto

@Danatela Wonders of the world. You're saying you've never won bounty? Sorry dude. Atleast I got +25 once.

Madara Uchiha

On Stack Overflow I've offered 2,900 rep worth of bounties.

Danatela

if the problem is just to set desired resolution, it's best to script those cvt and xrandr commands. I don't think that "Unknown monitor" matters something

Takkat

@MadaraUchiha lol - self-healing Pulse Audio \o/

Madara Uchiha

@Takkat inorite

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

07:41

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Q: Error mounting shared folder for KVM Solaris guest

Followed this guide on how to set up a shared folder between a KVM Host(Ubuntu 12.04) and Guest (Solaris 10 Sparc). On the last part of the it requires you to mount the shared folder and typed in this command. mkdir /mnt/shared mount -t 9p -o trans=virtio /hostshare /mnt/shared But i got an er...

ubuntu command-line mount kvm

Danatela

@MadaraUchiha however, if you already posted it as a question, I'd like to see it for full details

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela I haven't :(

It was all here in chat.

Apr 8 at 20:14, by Madara Uchiha

Looks like it was a problem with recognizing my other screen.

Start reading from here.

Danatela

ah, I forgot you already made the boot-time script

am I right, the problem with it that it makes the first display to forget it's settings?

Rinzwind

@JourneymanGeek we can always make him feel bad and say "yes" or "no, your answer sucks" >:D

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela Yes.

Journeyman Geek

07:53

@Rinzwind: I considered that, yes ;p

Rinzwind

LOL

Madara Uchiha

My external monitor sits to the left of my PC, and the default setting is to extend to the right.

Journeyman Geek

However I'm not actually evil

Madara Uchiha

The script would cause it to default back to the right

And I had to go to the settings and change it manually.

Danatela

ah so you need to change it's position via script

Madara Uchiha

07:55

I don't want to do this by script.

I don't want to put a band-aid on the problem, I want to fix it.

Danatela

well I think it's a bug

Madara Uchiha

That display is recognized by Windows, Ubuntu recognized other displays (TVs) that are connected to it via the same VGA cable and plug, what's wrong with this particular display?

Morning @fossfreedom

fossfreedom

morning - morning

Avinash Raj

Afternoon :-)

Parto

Morning :-)

Rinzwind

07:58

morning :-)

and might I add: almost weekend :)

Parto

@Rinzwind +1 for the weekend part. It's Friday - here we call it 'furahi day' meaning 'the happy day' :-)

Madara Uchiha

►

Danatela

and we have a holiday due to celebration :p

@MadaraUchiha those displays that are recognized... Do they support 1080p? Also, the problem might be that VGA cable is too long

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela They support 1080p, yes. Also, you think? I'm passing it through a switch, it could be it...

(Though, again, Windows has no problems with it)

Danatela

ah, oops

so the switch is VGA to DVI?

Madara Uchiha

08:08

no, VGA to VGA

2 entries, one output.

Danatela

OK, it's not the hardware problem

do you have xorg.conf?

@MadaraUchiha hehe youtube.com/watch?v=Aog72Hw1k5w

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela I believe I do.

Danatela

does it have a modeline for your display?

Madara Uchiha

Let's see...

I have /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d I'm guessing that's it?

Avinash Raj

@MadaraUchiha Oh my girlfriend.

Madara Uchiha

08:23

No that's not it.

Avinash Raj

OT? askubuntu.com/questions/463260/…

Madara Uchiha

Nope, I don't think I have a xorg.conf file.

@AvinashRaj Yes, should be on Stack Overflow.

Danatela

can we migrate it instead of closing?

Parto

@AvinashRaj That shouldn't be here. I think it should be migrated to SO.

Avinash Raj

hm

Danatela

08:30

@MadaraUchiha did you ever run sudo aticonfig --initial?

Avinash Raj

Which is the best IDE for web page development?

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela A mod can.

@Danatela Hmmm, nope.

@AvinashRaj What language?

Rinzwind

@AvinashRaj "best"? ;-)

Avinash Raj

php or django?

sorry i'm a noob in that field.

Madara Uchiha

@AvinashRaj I like PhpStorm.

Danatela

08:33

@MadaraUchiha I hope it will solve your problem

Madara Uchiha

@Danatela I'll try it in a few

Danatela

if not, you will have to generate a modeline for your display

@AvinashRaj it's opinion-based question

Parto

@AvinashRaj I think that question is more opinion based. Maybe you can try listing the features you desire in an IDE?

Danatela

for me, the Eclipse is the easiest, but probably Netbeans has more features

@Parto our thoughts are synchronous =)

Madara Uchiha

I don't have aticonfig

Parto

08:37

@AvinashRaj Maybe it can help askubuntu.com/questions/59632/…

Danatela

@MadaraUchiha it's in proprietary AMD drivers

Madara Uchiha

Aha, which I now need to install XD

Alright that will happen later today, not now :P

Avinash Raj

then my question is which language is the best for creating web sites or blogs?

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Rinzwind

again "best"? ;-) You need to be more factual :=)
I love aptana for coding. You might hate it.

Danatela

08:40

for newbies, php is best =)

Rinzwind

@Danatela no thanks

coding php is a nightmare if you want to do it correctly.

Parto

@AvinashRaj Structure: HTML & CSS. Backend: PHP and MySQL. Atleast that's what I use.

@Rinzwind Hahah. What do you mean nightmare?

Avinash Raj

@Parto thanks .

Madara Uchiha

@Rinzwind How so?

Consider your answer well I am a PHP developer with a short fuse and a banhammer.

(Just kidding :P)

Rinzwind

@Parto let's start with "eval" shall we?

Madara Uchiha

08:46

@Rinzwind How is "eval", in any conceivable use case, "correctly"?

Avinash Raj

OT askubuntu.com/questions/463269/extract-data-in-the-ruby

Danatela

I believe Avinash doesn't want to start his own CMS or another big project

Avinash Raj

Yes, i'm a noob :-)

Rinzwind

@MadaraUchiha a new php user -will- create code that fails to escape output. I have seen it happen more than once here (even with 10s of warnings)

@MadaraUchiha ha but there is the problem: you know. I know. a NEW php user does not

Parto

"If eval() is the answer, you're almost certainly asking the
wrong question." :-)

Rinzwind

08:48

I consider php not so newby friendly

Madara Uchiha

@Rinzwind That's because the crapload of bad tutorials on the web. Which I agree is a problem.

Rinzwind

oh we do agree then? >:DDDDD

Madara Uchiha

But if you understand that like I have, and stick to chats from the beginning, you'll do perfectly fine.

Rinzwind

I would rather put a new coder up with either perl or python

Madara Uchiha

@Rinzwind Maybe. But it's a point of being able to learn from the right sources.

Rinzwind

08:49

python cuz of the compiler (so it is easy to test things)

Parto

@Rinzwind Because everyone says PHP is easy. Which it is actually, but that creates room for like a million errors and just general stupidness.

Madara Uchiha

I started to learn from the PHP manual, and then from freenode's chat.

Avinash Raj

please post the php manual link.

Rinzwind

@Parto yeah. remember that phpbb fiasco in the 90s? (where they messed up 1 variable and all boards got compromized)

@AvinashRaj google broke down? >:)

here php.net/manual/en :+)

Danatela

@AvinashRaj goodphptutorials.com ;)

Avinash Raj

08:51

thanks friends..

Parto

@Rinzwind Not really. In the 90s I was still in my diapers ;-)

Rinzwind

tsk we are just your glorified search engine :(

oh it was in 2009 >:D not the 90s

Parto

@AvinashRaj Try to come up with a simple project to practice and code PHP. I learnt PHP by creating a wallpapers site - uploads, comments, download count, database, login. It was really nice though now I look at that code and think 'Was I on drugs or something' :-)

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Rinzwind

this worked back then:
httx:// www.phpbb.com/ lists/admin/ index.php?_SERVER%5bConfigFile%5d=../ ../.. /../../ ../ etc/ passwd

@Parto I think that every week :D

Parto

@Rinzwind Everyone starts there though. But considering it was my first, it wasn't thaaaat bad ;-)

Avinash Raj

08:56

@Parto nice. How did you learn php?

Danatela

haha when I look at my code I just admire myself

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