@terdon Ah. "Ubuntu" is a registered trademark, so SE needed Canonical's permission to use any logos, names, etc. Canonical was like "This is awesome, we'll help" and provided much of of the design.
@terdon It ties us in with the rest of Ubuntu. Without it we're just "another 'buntu based sight". That's what makes us part of the actual thing in many ways. It is certainly less than optimal, but I don't think it should be removed.
This isn't a discussion I would entertain. It's a blind maze of which you'll never get out. Both sides can create circular logic and it's not a debate at all. Someone made a call. I may or may not support it, but it's what I have.
@terdon I think what they were trying to do is make it like Google's or some other service's inter-connected menus which make it all part of the "Google experience".
@terdon I don't find it useful, but as in many things - I don't realize what I pre-process that other people just don't get. I can see where someone would find it useful. That's about as far as I can take it though.
I honestly don't think removing it is going to do us any good, it's already been proven across the network that it doesn't matter how much stuff you throw in front of users, they won't read it if they don't want to.
What about a userscript to turn off the top-bar. Would that satisfy all parties? A configuration option that SE linked from the FAQ that allowed it to be turned off. If you read everything you see and it irritates you that badly, then all you really want is a dipswitch right?
Proposed Q&A site for people with questions about Microsoft consumer products and the more advanced features of those products (like macros in Office products etc)
@hbdgaf not really. I mean it's not an aesthetic issue for me, I don't give a damn if it's there or not. What worries me is that it causes people to come here thinking ooh, cool this is the "official" Canonical help thang
@terdon I agree and have stated before in chat that a LOT of our chaff comes from being in the installer and less than stellar wording. I don't think it's a battle worth fighting though since all parties will receive more harm than good.
@terdon You see, AU, the forums, discourse, launchpad, they're all run by the community. Canonical has a rather small hand in most of it (although they are there).
However, back to the main point. I don't think removing the reference will do us much good. Something lik 90% of our traffic comes from search engines.
@terdon I think I understand what you're getting at now. (or at least better). People think we're some kind of "official" support channel where all they're problems are like support tickets in a support system.
@terdon :) I hope I'm not coming across strong. I'm not angered/roused/mad/frusterated I just have trouble putting my thoughts into good words, which makes me come across frustrated sometimes :)
Oh, yeah, @Lucio, when you finish upgrading, please remember to go and accept one of the answers on your date question on Unix & Linux. Preferably not mine but the one that talks about faketime.
@terdon I don't intend to come across as throwing weight around. I don't really have any. I just see where the discussion could evolve badly, and I don't want any part of where it could go.
@hbdgaf again, absolutely no offense taken or perceived. And the weight thing was a joke. Rep != weight as far as I'm concerned
I just meant that if I ever decide to raise a stink about this (and I'm not saying I will) it will be when I feel I know my way around this community better than I do right now.
To sum up, we're going to look/sound like an "official" support system no matter what we do. Putting us in the top bar just makes us more of a real part of Ubuntu. People don't understand that Ubuntu is Community based (i.e. unless they pay Canonical for Landscape, they have no "right" to an answer), so it confuses them. IMO the problem with new users we are experiencing just concretes us as a top SE site! But I respect your ideas, and understand what you're getting at :)
@terdon Everyone is, it's how you go about changing things that counts :)
@terdon I'm harsh... a lot... for example. But I have created an app that generated some user response to the tune of "this is awesomesauce". Then the feature (none of the same code) got built in to Unity. I made a mini-app to answer a recurring question here. So it can solve things I suppose.
@JMRboosties it's my understanding from a quick google that whitelisting just takes it out of the ignore if failed many times list, not that it's a strict anything not in the whitelist is dropped like a router ACL.
I have a very simple unbuntu server with a couple of git repos on it, nothing special.
At home I used a Windows PC, and use the PuTTY program to interact with the server. At work however I have a Mac, and using ssh to login to the server I am getting a timeout message each time.
I know the serv...
Well, your Q was merged with an older one that had exactly the same answer but posted about a year before so the mod correctly deleted the newer one that had the same information.
@JMRboosties I think that wouldn't exactly be a good idea, since your question says nothing about fail2ban and such. Why don't you add your own answer :)
I have a very simple unbuntu server with a couple of git repos on it, nothing special.
At home I used a Windows PC, and use the PuTTY program to interact with the server. At work however I have a Mac, and using ssh to login to the server I am getting a timeout message each time.
I know the serv...
Why is C as programming language still so prominent when it comes to OS programming? Shouldn't C++ have replaced it a long time ago as its successor?
