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12:05 AM

maybe so... but if it were current it would contain exactly what he wants.

@hbdgaf ??

He wants to know the executable files installed by a package, irrespective of whether the package is installed or not (I think)

hbdgaf

it's just a database of commands. what if you temporarily modified the search path to not include anything?

@terdon ^^ youtube.com/watch?v=EHkozMIXZ8w&feature=kp

terdon

12:21 AM

@hbdgaf what do you mean? My answers parse the package info, the list of files. Anyway, I found the best one, I had forgotten this tool and the author used to be active on U&L. By far the simplest (only for installed packages though):

 dlocate -lsbin gnome-terminal

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Q: Strip specific option from a response in dhclient

I aim to prohibit dhclient from updating my NTP config with servers received via DHCP, as it is the default on Debian/Ubuntu. However, my DHCP server ignores the list of requested options (from the request setting) and its answers always contain an NTP server. So I want to remove the option befo...

hbdgaf

12:40 AM

@terdon I like your answer. I'm just pointing out another way to go about solving the problem.

I wasn't calling you a monster for sure ;)

terdon

@hbdgaf and I'm all ears! I'm not arguing, I just haven't understood your suggestion/point

@hbdgaf and that didn't even occur to me, I was assuming that was to the effect of "Bam! I made my point!"

Don't worry, no ruffled feathers here

hbdgaf

Yeah, pretty much the point. So the idea was, if there's a database of command to package mappings already built-in...why not use it.

terdon

@hbdgaf ah, because there are far better tools.

And cause I have no clue how that mapping works :)

I guess it queries the apt db somehow but I don't know how. That might be a god idea though. Great, now I'll spend another half hour trying to find out :)

hbdgaf

Fair enough. It was pointed out to me some time ago that apt-file was sub-optimal because it requires you to download index files etc. Where the other option would only require a script to take a command and launch it in a stripped down shell with no search path to return the package name.

Braiam

@terdon command not found is an static database :/

terdon

12:44 AM

@Braiam so command found but package not installed?

Braiam

wait, found /usr/sbin/update-command-not-found

terdon

@hbdgaf hmm, no, apt-file seems to work with no internet connection so it must query the local db.

Braiam

apparently command-not-found is like apt-file

hbdgaf

that's not what i meant at all. i meant that it's not a built-in and requires initial sync passed base install and update... whereas the command not found database IS initially present, but may require updates

terdon

Ah, OK.

But the db won't have the list of executables, only those which would end up in your path presumably.

There's a canonical question for "AAaa can't boot weird text black screen" right?

hbdgaf

12:50 AM

@terdon how is that not optimal? i want to know what package provides this command seems like exactly what they wanted...

terdon

@hbdgaf yes indeed, but some packages install various executable tools that (presumably) won't be listed there cause they're not in the path. The various udev stuff like /lib/udev/collect for example. If they all get listed and the info can be extracted from the db, that would indeed be great!

hbdgaf

yeah, that's fair. i think most people asking for executable listings though only want things in the search path though

terdon

Doubt it'll get better than dlocate -lsbin gnome-terminal though. That's super simple.

hbdgaf

Sure. I just added an alternative answer askubuntu.com/a/435214/5768

nevermind. the OP is going in the opposite direction, i scanned the question and interpreted the answer to find other possibles. when i re-read the question my answer didn't fit.

terdon

lol

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1:11 AM

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Q: Can we improve the path from ubuntu.com to here?

In the time I've spent here, I've noticed a clear difference between AU and the other SE sites I frequent. There seem to be far more bad questions (that show no research effort, don't explain anything about what they need etc) here than in the other sites. I suspect that this is largely because s...

discussion

Seth

@Braiam Hm, do you think if I forked the Community page, fixed the AU reference and submitted a pull they'd accept it? Or do they only want more "official" people to do that?

hbdgaf

@AskUbuntuMeta I love "IE users go home you're drunk"

god love @Oli

terdon

1:28 AM

@Seth do you guys have access to stats showing how many users come here through Canonical's pages? Perhaps the spike that occurred after the sites were linked?

Seth

I do, but it's non disclosable.

but a lot come that way.

hbdgaf

we've talked about this before. a lot of the poor crap that winds up on-site comes from canonical kicking baseline support to here to reduce their snr

i stopped answering questions about the same time canonical started pimping AU.

terdon

1:49 AM

@Seth sorry, was away. Could you disclose a percentage? Not if it's an issue, this is just idle curiosity, but are we talking 80% or 10% or what?

@hbdgaf yeah, how did that go down? I was not active here then but I remember seeing posts about it on meta.so. Did the community agree to this?

Seth

@terdon Sorry, can't now. If this changes I'll let you know.

terdon

@Seth no problem, as I said idle curiosity. "Lots" will have to do :)

Seth

Permission denied (publickey).
ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
Permission denied (publickey).
bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.

No idea what to do with that.

I've set bzr up before, but I think I've reinstalled since.

terdon

@Seth what are you running?

Seth

@terdon Trying to branch a package off launchpad bzr branch lp:package-name essentially.

terdon

1:59 AM

Oh damn, no idea. I read 'bzip'

Braiam

@Seth dunno, really

@Seth bzr config --all?

says not configured ssh key...

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Q: How much traffic comes to us from non-search engines sources?

Kinda in the same line of this question, exactly how much traffic comes to us from other sources? This will give us a very specific view of how can we improve our stop-gap before users ask questions without the "minimum research effort" that the SE model ask for any of us.

support traffic

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Q: Would it be beneficial to have answerers to explain how they got there answers?

In my bio class, when we correct our tests our bio teacher asks us to compare the ones we got wrong on our test with our fellow classmates in order to correct our test mistakes. He also tells us to see how our classmate arrived at their correct answer in order to make us "better thinkers" so we w...

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terdon

YES! 3k, I can close vote!

Seth

wohoo!

@Braiam Let me try.

Says no gpg key found. Guess I'll need to make another of those >.<

The one I used to sing the CoC doesn't count?

Braiam

@Seth ssh != gpg ;)

the problem is ssh pubkey

Seth

2:10 AM

@Braiam gpg: error reading key: public key not found

Braiam

err... wtf

Seth

yeeah.

guess I'll just start all over bzr wise.

Braiam

exactly what you are doing?

Seth

@Braiam I was trying to branch the community website, but I got the error above --^

Braiam

ok, let me try...

Seth

2:12 AM

I thought I had configured bzr already.. Guess I need to do it again.

Braiam

grrr! LP is so slow!

➜  ubuntu-community-website  ls
404.php                  footer.php     index.php          page.php        single-custom_type.php
archive-custom_type.php  functions.php  library            screenshot.png  single.php
archive.php              header.php     page-custom.php    search.php      style.css
comments.php             includes       page-home-old.php  sidebar.php     taxonomy-custom_cat.php

only using bzr branch lp:ubuntu-community-website

I don't understand how are we linked

Seth

I'm still stuck.

Braiam

AHA!

ssh is broken

Seth

mmm.. ok?

anyway, dinner.

Braiam

@Seth cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and copy the one that has your email to https://launchpad.net/~me/+editsshkeys and wait for a while

Seth

2:29 AM

@Braiam Email? I didn't get a new one, so the old one?

.ssh/id_rsa.pub doesn't exist so.

Braiam

err... ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub?

Seth

yeah that one.

what, dsa?

Braiam

140

Q: RSA vs. DSA for SSH authentication keys

When generating SSH authentication keys on a Unix/Linux system with ssh-keygen, you're given the choice of creating a RSA or DSA key pair (using -t type). What is the difference between RSA and DSA keys? What would lead someone to choose one over the other?

encryption cryptography authentication key-management ssh

debian defaults to rsa... or maybe I did

Seth

It says RSA here packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html

I don't have an email from when I set this up before, just the email from signing the CoC. Will that SSH key work?

Braiam

@Seth err, mine always have a comment about user@host, apparently is so I can remember from where they come from

Seth

2:39 AM

I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Can I use this SSH key?

Braiam

yeah

Seth

alright, lemme see if I can configure that.

@Braiam This is exactly my problem:

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Q: What do I need to do to start working with Launchpad again on a new computer?

I have followed the directions listed at http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/getting-set-up.html to get my desktop computer set up so that I could work on bug fixing during 12.04's development. Now I am trying to get set up again on my laptop computer (different machine) so I can help con...

launchpad

terdon

2:58 AM

@Seth since geography gets in the way of that cuppa, have some (deserved) useless internet points instead.

Seth

haha, thanks anyway :)

@Braiam So I branched the site, but I can't find a single reference to AU anyway. Just a bunch of PHP files. I have no idea where they're pulling that page from :-/

Braiam

@Seth you had asked me if I found the AU references I would have told you...

library/css/core.css:.where-to-find-us .ask-ubuntu a {

Seth

3:20 AM

hm.

ok

@Braiam doesn't help much :-/

terdon

Am I missing something or should this not be closed? It seems neither a bug (we don't know enough yet) nor off topic.

askubuntu.com/review/close/232816

Seth

@terdon "trusty version of Ubuntu Touch" I guess is what's getting people.

terdon

@Seth That's on-topic though right? Ubuntu touch is anyway

Seth

However I think that's useful content despite trusty (and IMO has nothing to do with trusty anyway).

@terdon Trusty hasn't been released yet. Normally we close pre-release questions, but it's getting close to release and my message above.

Braiam

@terdon I didn't understood what was wrong with the question not even after reading the "accepted" answer

terdon

3:29 AM

Ah, "trusty" right, so the touch versions mirror the main ones?

Seth

@terdon now it does, yes.

didn't used to.

terdon

I actually read that as an adjective, as in I called my trusty sidekick and rode off!

Seth

@Braiam The 2012 version of the Nexus 7 has been deprecated, doesn't work with the latest release.

@terdon ah. lol.

Code names can get confusing sometimes ;)

terdon

Ooh boy, we're going to have fun with this one: askubuntu.com/users/258678/may-decastro

Braiam

@Seth common, can someone write an straighforward answer once in a while instead of a dump!

terdon

3:31 AM

She posted another Q yesterday saying: I need to write a tutorial on this but don't know the first thing about it, what should I do?

Seth

I know >.>

Braiam

@Seth can you undelete Takkat comment? askubuntu.com/q/434890/169736

Seth

@Braiam I've come to the (maybe premature) conclusion that the AU page isn't included in the "Community Site" unless they're hiding it in the PHP somewhere, although my scans haven't been able to detect it.

yep.

Why'd you guys close it? Yeah the answer is in the other question, but people searching for a similar problem aren't going to look at "How do I install Ubuntu in a VM". It's a distinct, although similar, problem.

Braiam

@Seth I know we have an css rule...

Seth

@Braiam Yeah, I'm still trying to find it..

Braiam

3:36 AM

err... didn't we said that editing OP exact commands was bad

Seth

mostly, yes.

This is why you need a descriptive summary.

ah, I see now.

Still no need.

terdon

Well, that was quick:

> Thank you for reviewing 20 close votes today; come back in 20 hours to continue reviewing

I don't think I've seen this before, is it AU specific? I'm sure I've done more than that in one sitting on SU

Seth

@terdon You might be allowed more on SU. SO allows 40, but a review limit is standard on all sites.

terdon

@Seth OK, must be higher on SU then.

Seth

A good way to find out is see how many close votes you're allowed in a day.

The limit is usually just under that.

terdon

3:43 AM

Nope, my bad. They just tend to be harder calls there I guess so I never made it through 20 on a single queue.

SU has the same limit.

Seth

:)

Braiam

> You may cast up to 24 close votes per day (50 on Stack Overflow).

terdon

24

Braiam

SO is just... SO

terdon

Yeah, just read that. Damn, I must have maxed out before, I remember review bonanzas on SU last year.

No! That's only for close votes, not reviews. I often vote to leave things open on SU, that must be it.

Braiam

3:48 AM

reviews are always limited to 20

SO has 20 for suggested edits and 40 for close votes and 20 for everything else

Seth

Aha!

       <section class="entry-content">
		    <?php the_content(); ?>
	    </section> <!-- end article section -->

Braiam

?

terdon

<?php the_content(); ?> :)

Seth

Yep!

terdon

Found where it's coming from have you?

Seth

3:50 AM

Now for figuring the next bit.

Braiam

and the_content is?

Seth

@terdon I think so.

@Braiam A PHP function/method.

Braiam

@Seth let me put that thing on a server and see what it does

Seth

I'm afraid I'm going to have to resort to parsing ls output

I can't remember the better way..

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