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Marco Ceppi

16:12

@GeorgeEdison Have you tried Miro?

Alaukik

we create awesome, wonderful, unexpected, friendly, incredibly supportive software. in short, the opposite of linux.

Tweeted by amyhoy on July 22, 2011 at 8:44 AM

WTF

Marco Ceppi

Who is this person? I've never heard of her

I create Awesome, Wonderful, Stable, Friendly, Incredibly Supportive Software. In short, the opposite of Windows.

Tweeted by marcoceppi on July 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM

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George Edison

16:38

That is horrible.

(Not you, @Marco - the other person.)

Alaukik

@MarcoCeppi apparently an apple fangirl

amy.hoy.usesthis.com

George Edison

What do you think the chances are that this person has actually used Linux?

Alaukik

very less

i guess she just heard about it from the guy at the apple store

Marco Ceppi

Do you think she knows that MacOS is built on FreeBSD?

Alaukik

after faaaaantastic meal at a local osteria, comparing music collections. & talkin about how we'd never hire somebody who uses desktop linux

Tweeted by amyhoy on July 21, 2011 at 10:05 PM

George Edison

16:51

It's hard not to get frustrated reading something like that...

@MarcoCeppi Probably not.

And another thing: "desktop linux" is so ill-defined that it's nearly a meaningless term.

There are so many different desktop environments and to make a blanket statement like that, you'd need to have tried each of them individually.

Frankly I'm glad they wouldn't hire someone who uses "desktop linux" - no user would want to work for them.

</rant>

htorque

it's easy for me not getting frustrated reading something like that. :P first thing that comes to my mind: »who cares?« - she's free to think whatever she likes and i don't need to have an opinion on that (or everything).

Oli

17:15

People shouldn't get so worked up. She rants about things for a living, making big bold statements, providing very little substance. The more brash and more objectionable she is, the more people take notice. A minority agree. The more subjects you rant about the more minorities you pull into your following. The media has been doing this for decades. It's textbook trolling. Ignore it until there's something to discuss or rebuke. As it is, it's just childish and doesn't deserve your time.

Mainstream media, less so. It's more "pundits" and "analysts" who want to be recognised. The more print/air-time they have against their name, the more they're worth. Ignore this bint or you'll give her the recognition she so desperately craves.

2

tl;dr - don't feed the trolls.

4

htorque

:D

where's that random text generator? need to write a tech report till tuesday and with 0 pages done i'm a bit behind. :D

Marco Ceppi

@Alaukik She's a Ruby on Rails developer All questions have been answered

htorque

at least she's from the real vienna >:D

Roland Taylor

sudo alien -d packagename.rpm

@JoshuaRobison

George Edison

17:30

@htorque I know where it is...

quickmediasolutions.com/flack

Packaging in a nutshell:

> "Information is exchanged between the client and the server for Linux that creates a separate Launchpad branch that contains the Debian packaging files and have Launchpad merge them together before it builds the URL with cURL and running it with a URL."

htorque

@GeorgeEdison ha, thanks! if only no one would read that report :D

The Evil Phoenix

17:48

@GeorgeEdison do you run stackapplet?

s/run/manage/

George Edison

@TheEvilPhoenix Yes.

The Evil Phoenix

Lintian errors in 11.04

Reported when attempting to install 1.5 beta 2 from .deb package on 11.04 64-bit: Lintian check results for /home/mbt/Downloads/stackapplet_1.5.0_all.deb: E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/applications/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/applications/stackapplet.desktop 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/en_CA/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/stackapplet.mo 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/en_GB/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wrong-file-owner-uid-or-gid usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/ 1000/1000 E: stackapplet: wron…

StackApplet

Undecided / New

stackapplet @ lp

bug was sent in (i am subscribed to bugmail)

George Edison

@TheEvilPhoenix Right, I got a copy of that.

The Evil Phoenix

looks like bad file ownerships in the package or something

might be in their end though

actually i think its on their end... isnt 1000 the standard uid for the initial user on an Ubuntu system?

George Edison

@TheEvilPhoenix It is... but it's not on their end.

It's a glitch with the way I was packaging it.

The Evil Phoenix

17:55

ah, so its the package :p

George Edison

I think I can fix it though.

The Evil Phoenix

i see

can i mark it as confirmed and assign to you?

George Edison

Already done :)

The Evil Phoenix

did yuo know i have more lp karma than you? :/

George Edison

@TheEvilPhoenix No. I didn't know that.

Rinzwind

17:57

yo :)

George Edison

How come the bugs aren't showing up here: bugs.launchpad.net/stackapplet

The Evil Phoenix

that takes some time to update iirc

its on the project's page though for latest bugs

and its at the bottom of the list of bugs on my screen

htorque

Karma:
898

i'm no help this cycle

was at 4000 :(

The Evil Phoenix

hehe

Karma: 3028

:P

Rinzwind

Karma?

htorque

18:01

@Rinzwind What is karma?

Karma is one of the ways in which you can get a feel for the work that someone has done recently in Launchpad.

Almost everything you do in Launchpad helps you to build karma. For example: registering bugs, translating strings and answering support requests. Different types of work earn different levels of karma. Also, the amount of karma a particular action gives you fades over time.

Karma is only attributed for work done in Launchpad and does not apply to items imported from other sources.

help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma

Rinzwind

ah :+) then my karma is 0 >:D

htorque

0 is not a lot!

The Evil Phoenix

wth is "Bug Heat"?

Roland Taylor

http://ubuntumanual.org/
Is that legit? ^---

I forgot

Rinzwind

cool link Roland O+

Roland Taylor

18:05

But is it legit?

This is the second time I got an offer from them to join them.

Alaukik

today i go this from the flack overstow

"Ubuntu Control Center, designed to bring simplicity and rocks that will slow you down. "

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Rinzwind

@RolandTaylor don't care >:-D

Roland Taylor

@Rinzwind I do.

Rinzwind

see -> askubuntu.com/questions/42667/…

added it >:-D

Roland Taylor

O.o

Rinzwind

18:09

that might get me some upvotes :-D so thanks >:D

Roland Taylor

But we have not confirmed if it is legit or not

Rinzwind

must be a fansite

Roland Taylor

That's what I got on our comments... and it went straight to trash

Rinzwind

roland! site looks like it is linked to UF.org

Roland Taylor

So, I need to know if that is legit.

UF?

Ubu forums?

Rinzwind

18:11

UbuntuForums ;)

Roland Taylor

kk

thanks

Rinzwind

not that that makes it legit >:D

website is hosted in Liverpook UK :=)

so if they are not legit you could swim from Barbados to Liverpool and be back for the new years party

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor I got that email from them about 2 months ago

Oli

Yey. A new era in Wine audio bugs is about to start! From the release notes:

- Rewrite of the audio support, using the Win7 architecture.
- Old-style sound drivers for Jack, NAS and ESD are removed.

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi What was your response?

The Evil Phoenix

18:14

@Oli heh, time to keep an eye on the wine tag now, huh

Rinzwind

oh I predict an influx in wine+audio related tags :D

Marco Ceppi

@RolandTaylor I didnt'

The Evil Phoenix

(for moderation targets :P)

Roland Taylor

LOL!

Oli

Hopefully the development branch will have adequately stable audio before they release the next stable.... But it took years before PulseAudio+Wine worked well (and there are still the occasional issues)

htorque

18:15

whew, that doesn't sound good - not that i'm an expert on that field

Oli

Wonder if they'll use the opportunity to port the whole Wine-sound subsystem to gstreamer (as they were talking about ages ago, as a reason not to support PA directly)

Roland Taylor

Well, using Pulse directly would leave out some distros and platforms, but yeah they should do it.

Some of WINE already uses gstreamer.

Rinzwind

@htorque did they move 'system settings' from the logout meny in 11.10? if so, where did they put it?

Marco Ceppi

18:44

This is really pissing me off. Can anyone explain why a CSS definition entered at the bottom of a CSS file is being overwritten by one produced earlier in the file?!

The Evil Phoenix

@Marco is the earlier one marked as important?

Marco Ceppi

That's the rendering

Rinzwind

I see a !important >:D

The Evil Phoenix

and which of those was the earlier rule and which was later?

Marco Ceppi

The 4th entry down, margin:0px (line 873) is being overwritten by the second one on line 868

The Evil Phoenix

18:46

oop i see an !important too

Marco Ceppi

It's the margin I'm working with

.sharebtn a img should take priority over #content img

The Evil Phoenix

i'd have to fiddle with it to find out why. perhaps something relating to # is superseeding the .class ?

Rinzwind

AU is slow and keeps crashing on me.

Marco Ceppi

Illogical, as the way it's nested .sharebtn a img is closer than #content

The Evil Phoenix

actually not necessarily... #id taakes precedent over .class, @Marco

at least from what i've seen

Marco Ceppi

18:48

Ref?

The Evil Phoenix

but i may be wrong :/

w/e

Marco Ceppi

I think you're right

because #content .sharebtn a img works

so odd

Got to find where that is documented

Questions Feed

git-ls-files: command not found http://bit.ly/oBKr4i #bash

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on July 22, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Marco Ceppi

Going to make a few samples an I guess write a blog post

Quick Googleing yields nothing

@TheEvilPhoenix Thanks for the help, I've been hitting my head with that one for a few days now

The Evil Phoenix

@MarcoCeppi note that i'm a tad rusty with raw CSS coding...

usually, what happens, is Dreamweaver autofills the syntax

htorque

19:00

@Rinzwind yes and "i don't know"

Marco Ceppi

Shutters, Dreamweaver

The Evil Phoenix

or the syntax checker on my servers goes through and triggers 500 errors intentionally if something's wrong

htorque

you can still start it via gnome-control-center

Rinzwind

ok! thanks for responding :)

The Evil Phoenix

@MarcoCeppi one of my classes requires it >.>

Marco Ceppi

19:01

<3

htorque

@Rinzwind yeah, i was working on that tech report (watching burn notice), so it took a while :P

The Evil Phoenix

I prefer using Dreamweaver to generate the initial code...

then go though and hand-carve it to what i need :P

so even though the program Dreamweaver is used...

the code is scrutinized beyond crazy by myself manually

prior to publishing

hey @MarcoCeppi

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Q: How do I detect if someone is stealing my broadband bandwidth?

I am very paranoid about wireless connections and someone stealing my broadband bandwidth, which could lead to worse things. My question is, how can I detect if my broadband bandwidth is being stolen? I have a Belkin SURF+ N300 wireless router. Ideally, it would be cool if I would get alerted ...

sounds offtopic here

Oli

@TheEvilPhoenix throws up

The Evil Phoenix

more suited for SuperUser maybe?

Oli

@TheEvilPhoenix I have an on-topic answer, if you'll let me

The Evil Phoenix

19:03

@Oli oh hush, you havent been stuck on Windows for 3 months due to a bad drive

Rinzwind

damn I type an anwser and the user deletes his question :(

The Evil Phoenix

@Oli feel free i havent flagged yet :P

(but i might :P)

Marco Ceppi

@Oli Opps, I just kicked it over to SU

Oli

Nooooooooo

The Evil Phoenix

goes back to beating the area51 mods

Oli

19:04

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The Evil Phoenix

LOL

Oli

Damnit Leroy!

Rinzwind

lol

Marco Ceppi

At least I got chicken!

The Evil Phoenix

@Marco and I have this workflow fixed... i find something that's actually valid, i dont bother flagging i just come here, then the migrate occurs :P

</streamlined>

Marco Ceppi

19:05

Next time I'll just tell you to flag it to give @Oli the extra 20 seconds to answer :)

The Evil Phoenix

@Marco you get a cookie as well gives @Marco a cookie

lol

htorque

anyone know how i can make the launcher not hide on unity-2d?

The Evil Phoenix

is this mass-CW worthy?

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Q: Who to follow on Twitter if you are interested in Ubuntu?

I'd like to know whom I should follow on Twitter, to get my daily dose of Ubuntu news, tips, and random bits. Which members from the Ubuntu community are active on Twitter?

community twitter

Marco Ceppi

It's kind of a crap question

not really sure how a CW would help it

The Evil Phoenix

if its crap then can we purge it?

Rinzwind

19:12

ey! the answers are good >:-D

The Evil Phoenix

or at least close it, and keep the answers?

Rinzwind

but it might be better of just closing it :D

The Evil Phoenix

18 secs ago, by The Evil Phoenix

or at least close it, and keep the answers?

Rinzwind

I agree. It adds nothing of value to ubuntu.

The Evil Phoenix

</flagged>

flagged as offtopic, but still... :P

Marco Ceppi

19:15

I think the only way to keep this valid is to edit all the answers into one giant answer and make that CW

You either have all answers in one post, or one answer per post

not variable as it is now

The Evil Phoenix

i think that should just be closed.

too difficult to do all that, no?

:P

Marco Ceppi

Or, a post per type of person. Official, Ubuntu Personel, Ubuntu News Sources, Other

The Evil Phoenix

I NOMINATE @Rinzwind to do that >:)

Rinzwind

?

Marco Ceppi

I'll do it when I have time

The Evil Phoenix

19:17

oh btw marco, did you notice the standings between myself and @Alvar?

in chess :P

Marco Ceppi

You have a lot of chess in that room

:P

Rinzwind

chess O+

The Evil Phoenix

:P

The Evil Phoenix: 2 wins, 1 loss. Alvar: 1 win, 2 losses.

:P

Alvar

19:30

@TheEvilPhoenix lol

Rinzwind

poor Alvar

Alvar

19:50

whoooooooot

Rinzwind

2-2? >:D

The Evil Phoenix

cough 3-1 xD

Alvar

lol

htorque

maybe it's time to accept defeat?

The Evil Phoenix

3-1 is fictitious :P

i havent had a 4th match against him yet :P

htorque

19:53

well, don't talk - play

The Evil Phoenix

its his move :P

htorque

i bet 5 ask ubuntu bucks on the evil

The Evil Phoenix

and he starts the 4th match when he's ready

we alternate white-black

htorque

@TheEvilPhoenix are you from india?

The Evil Phoenix

nope

USA

♦ Chess Match: Alvar v. TheEvilPhoenix

Chess match between Alvar and The Evil Phoenix. PGN Notation ...

htorque

19:54

ok, then i take back the 5 AU buck bet :D

The Evil Phoenix

we had the last chess match in there

@htorque too late the money was already transferred to the gambling facility

:P

htorque

is chess still dominated by soviet russians and indians?

The Evil Phoenix

mostly russians :P

and the few people in the US who take up this game for the intellectual challenges

also for the logic in the game, but thats a different issue

i play for the logic

and to train myself to be able to strategize better

(which then subsequently helps me in other situations... say... games like COD4 where you sometimes need strategy to beat enemies

:P

htorque

lol

yeah, controlling a map in cod4 is probably comparable difficult

:D

The Evil Phoenix

actually controlling a map in CS:S is harder :P

but is probably a better example :P

htorque

20:01

only if it's not 1on1 :P

haven't played cs_office on a 32 player server for a long time :D

The Evil Phoenix

@Oli @MarcoCeppi wth, i thought this got migrated:

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Q: How do I detect if someone is stealing my broadband bandwidth?

I am very paranoid about wireless connections and someone stealing my broadband bandwidth, which could lead to worse things. My question is, how can I detect if my broadband bandwidth is being stolen? I have a Belkin SURF+ N300 wireless router. Ideally, it would be cool if I would get alerted ...

wireless security bandwidth

Oli

I un-migrated it.

The Evil Phoenix

and you did this why?

Oli

And then SU deleted their copy. And then SU un-deleted their copy.

The Evil Phoenix

it is clearly NOT an ubuntu question

Oli

20:03

It is when all the software you use in its answer runs on Ubuntu.

The Evil Phoenix

most of which also runs on Debian

and any other Linux distro

Marco Ceppi

@TheEvilPhoenix With that argument we might as well just fold Ubuntu into U&L.se

Oli

Probably runs the London Marathon too, but it's not off-topic.

The Evil Phoenix

you know what, i'm just going to block the main site on this system for a while...

Oli

If that were the argument, as Marco says, we'd essentially be a side dedicated to Unity and Upstart

The Evil Phoenix

20:04

its so late in the week i'm damned tired of arguments... >.>

Binarylife

2

Q: How do I detect if someone is stealing my broadband bandwidth?

I am very paranoid about wireless connections and someone stealing my broadband bandwidth, which could lead to worse things. My question is, how can I detect if my broadband bandwidth is being stolen? I have a Belkin SURF+ N300 wireless router. Ideally, it would be cool if I would get alerted ...

wireless-networking security wireless-router bandwidth

it is in superuser also.

The Evil Phoenix

actually this makes me wonder whether it should go over on ITSec...

not sure though

:P

Marco Ceppi

IT Sec would be a good home for it. Seeing as how it's gotten answers already here It should stay

The Evil Phoenix

indeed

i'm just thinking for future ;)

i was initially going to recommend we move it to ITSec, but afaik there's no migration path

Marco Ceppi

We can migrate to an SE site

We don't have any public migration paths though

Rory Alsop

20:15

Hello

The Evil Phoenix

ohaidere

Rory Alsop

@TheEvilPhoenix There should be a migration path to ITSec now we are out of beta

The Evil Phoenix

:P

@Rory i'm not mod, talk to @Marco :P

Rory Alsop

However that one isn't really a security question or an ubuntu question :-)

The Evil Phoenix

or @Stefano

Rory Alsop

20:16

@MarcoCeppi That one really isn't a sec question

In my reckoning it fits in SU :-)

if the question was around what controls can I put in place to prevent someone stealing my bandwidth then it would be more appropriate in Sec

George Edison

Look who's back!!!

@FlackBot: Hello!

FlackBot

@GeorgeEdison Yup, it's a nice day.

htorque

@FlackBot define security

FlackBot

@htorque security [noun] - Freedom from risk or danger; safety.

The Evil Phoenix

@FlackBot define death

FlackBot

20:26

@TheEvilPhoenix death [noun] - The act of dying; termination of life.

Marco Ceppi

@RoryAlsop Our site has no public migration paths we can only migrate by moderator

The Evil Phoenix

@FlackBot are you alive?

FlackBot

@TheEvilPhoenix That's a nice command, but I really don't know what it is.

htorque

so, guy wanna feel safe -> migrate to security :P

The Evil Phoenix

@FlackBot who is your favorite moderator?

FlackBot

20:27

@TheEvilPhoenix I don't have a favorite moderator.

htorque

@flackbot define ' OR '1' = '1

The Evil Phoenix

@FlackBot your favorite moderator is @RoryAlsop

FlackBot

@TheEvilPhoenix I don't have a favorite moderator is.

Marco Ceppi

Please don't abuse the bot. It creates needless noise - if you wish to try him out, consider the Sandbox

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The Evil Phoenix

@htorque prepend an @ to that :P

htorque

20:29

crap

FlackBot

@htorque Clueless seems to best describe how I feel after what you said.

htorque

@FlackBot do you feel abused?

FlackBot

@htorque Someday I will be able to intelligently reply to that command. This isn't that day.

George Edison

Okay guys... leave FlackBot alone please... he's still getting over jet lag.

(From his vacation to North Korea.)

htorque

you can't just pull him out and then don't allow us to play with him - that's just cruel

Rory Alsop

20:36

a flackbot?

George Edison

@htorque It's not cruel... he's tired.

(And I don't want the room cluttered up with people talking to him either.)

@RoryAlsop It's a bot.

@FlackBot: Who are you?

FlackBot

FlackBot, The Interwebs

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launchpad video hardware-recommendation

Marco Ceppi

I don't see why we can't just stick him in a room labeled "Play with FlackBot"

Rory Alsop

:-) very nice

George Edison

@MarcoCeppi We will once I can figure out how to put him in two rooms.

(Remember, this chat doesn't have an API - there are a lot of hacks keeping FlackBot working.)

Marco Ceppi

20:40

The idea would be to put him in that room

htorque

no love for the bot :(

anyone here using unity-2d?

George Edison

@MarcoCeppi ...but he'd be here too :)

That's why I created him.

Michael Mrozek

I think you're missing the point of wanting to move him to that room :)

Marco Ceppi

What's the end goal?

@htorque How can I tell if I'm using unity-2d?

htorque

20:55

can you drag a launcher item out of the launcher?

Marco Ceppi

Yes

htorque

then it's not -2d

Marco Ceppi

Hum, good to know

htorque

good question though. unity and -2d almost look identical nowadays.

Questions Feed

21:44

How do I detect if someone is stealing my broadband bandwidth? http://bit.ly/qgk67j #wireless

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on July 22, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Explorer

23:02

@FlackBot Where's RolandTaylor?

FlackBot

@Explorer try_to_understand(what_you_said) == FALSE

Explorer

@FlackBot How dare you?

FlackBot

@Explorer To be honest... I really don't have the capability of understanding that statement yet.

George Edison

@MarcoCeppi Finally giving Miro a try.

We'll see if it works out as a replacement for Banshee.

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison Let me know how you like it!

George Edison

23:14

So far so good. The interface is a little sluggish - but it's very light on the CPU when it's running.

I wish it had an 'album view' though.

(Something where I could see a grid with all of my albums in it.)

^--- Is this a new thing?

I've never seen that dialog before.

George Edison

23:38

@FlackBot: What is your favorite web browser?

FlackBot

@GeorgeEdison My favorite web browser is Internet Explorer. Especially IE6 - stable as a rock and fully standards compliant..

George Edison

@FlackBot: Liar! You like Chromium, remember?

FlackBot

@GeorgeEdison [Whistles innocently...]

George Edison

Ugh!

♦ Chess Match: Alvar v. TheEvilPhoenix

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