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1:53 AM
Argh.
I think the bug with NitroShare on Android that I could never reproduce was caused by ProGuard.
 
why are you using ProGuard?
 
Doesn't it reduce the APK size?
I'm certainly not using it for security. It's an open-source app :P
 
 
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7:22 AM
@DavidFoerster Reopen instead of delete would be nice even when it's off-topic as OP found a solution him/herself: askubuntu.com/questions/1025498/…
(doesn't matter it's 17.04: it applies to all Unity/Gnome versions of Ubuntu.)
@EliahKagan As you were active 2 minutes ago---^
 
@Fabby I agree. I've voted to reopen.
 
Thank you.
 
No problem.
Btw, please feel free to ping me even if I haven't been active recently. :)
 
Upvoted your comment so it will be shown in the review queue too.
@EliahKagan Sleep is more important than Ask Ubuntu!
 
Yeah but pings don't wake me...
 
7:28 AM
:-) ;-) :-)
I just look in the review queue and look who's been active, so unless you were, I won't ping you anyway...
/shrug
 
good morning! you have my reopen vote
 
Thank you! :-)
Auch Guten Morgen!
 
Guten Morgen :)
 
7:54 AM
Goede morgen
 
8:17 AM
Good morning :)
 
@Fabby Good idea! Though I feel that the question is actually a duplicate of askubuntu.com/questions/13758/… considering the author's own answer.
 
8:39 AM
@DavidFoerster What they had actually typed in that answer does actually work, though the precise reason remains unclear to me. I have tested it, I've fixed the post to what they almost certainly intended (because it is what they originally wrote, and just failed to apply code formatting to), and we should undelete the post. That answer should never have been deleted.
They used double quotes, and they typed two backslashes between Hello and World and after World. Because they did not format it properly, the backslashes were treated as Markdown and it transformed into something that made no sense and would have been an unfinished fragment of a command (due to the final backslash preventing the second double quote from closing quotation). But as they actually wrote it, it does work, and the final backslashes, which appear spurious, are actually necessary.
It's a belabored way of writing:
sed -i -r 'Hello \ World \' mytext.txt
...because the double quotes turn each doubled backslash into a single backslash, i.e., this is what sed sees as its script:
Hello \ World \
It's not the best solution but it is actually a solution to their problem.
 
@EliahKagan That's no valid sed command, so I doubt that it was meant as an answer.
 
Sorry.
It needs a letter to designate a command.
I don't think deletion is the appropriate response to it missing one. They clearly say it worked for them.
ek@Io:~$ sed -r 'cHello \ World \' <<<.
Hello \ World
It's true that the answer is vague because we don't know they used c, but I think deleting an OP's self-answer should not be done so hastily.
 
@EliahKagan Alright. Fair point.
 
I mean, one disadvantage to undeleting is that the delete voters won't be able to case delete votes again if it eventually does turn out to be NAA. But if that happens, I think it should be possible to get enough other 20k users to delete (or to flag for mod attention).
Anyway, sorry about not starting by saying all they had to do was add c. I was so focused on the weird behavior from the final backslash (I don't know why this makes the first backslash appear, but it does, with GNU sed) that I failed to mention that.
If it's undeleted, I'll leave a comment for the author to ask if they may have written a letter like c before the H. Also, sorry about pinging you with a technically wrong claim that made no sense (that fixing the backslash formatting was sufficient to make it work) instead of what I should have said (that fixing the backslash formatting makes it so it lacks a single character or some such change).
 
8:58 AM
yeah, OP found some voodoo there by accident I think. It's interesting!
 
Perhaps I've been preoccupied by my own backslashy failures. :)
Now that it's undeleted I'll comment.
 
I wonder if the -i flag was actually an i command... like sed -r i"Hello \\ World \\"
 
@Zanna Ooh, good call!
Do you want to comment separately about that, or should I try and edit mine?
 
(note: the -r flag is entirely unnecessary of course, but OP has included it)
er... I'll add a comment
 
@Zanna You can enclose difficult code in doubled backticks to make it display correctly without treating the backslashes specially.
Like, I wrote:
The command you typed here was ``sed -i -r "Hello \\ World \\" mytext.txt``, but each ``\\`` was displayed as ``\``. That's fixed now...
 
9:11 AM
thanks! I think it actually gets displayed right in comments anyway? (unlike in chat)
yes, I posted my comment without double backticks, and the output was as expected... why the inconsistency???
 
I don't know, but in comments you still need doubled backticks or something to protect code spans that consist solely of a backslash:
@Garry14 The command you typed here was sed -i -r "Hello \\ World \\" mytext.txt, but each \` was displayed as `. That's fixed now, and we've undeleted this, but it still doesn't fully make sense. You need a command, like c, to make this work. That is, sed -i -r "cHello \\ World \\" mytext.txt (better written sed -i -r 'cHello \ World \' mytext.txt) does work. Is it possible you ran such a command? Can you edit to clarify? Once c or something like it is added, the backslash at the end does actually make the one in the middle appear, which is quite interesting. — Eliah Kagan 38 secs ago
(That's with all single backticks. Deleted from the sandbox now, no need to clutter things up.)
@Zanna Excellent. Thanks.
 
oh yes, the backslash escapes the backticks. So if backslash comes before a backtick, you have to fight with them. Otherwise, I think it is ok
 
So what happens in chat? foo\bar
Is it the same?
\foo
It seems to be the same. Is it just we have a lot more occasion to want to write embedded backticks in code in chat than in comments?
 
thank you! I think it's my fault the answer was deleted in the first place. I didn't look at the source, which you thought of doing.
@EliahKagan possibly... but why do we love chatting about backslashes so much?
 
I didn't edit the answer even after I did look at the source. I was too focused on figuring out why the trailing backslash causes the other one to be printed.
 
9:17 AM
same... and it's still a mystery :(
 
@Zanna I don't know. Is there a way to search all of SE chat for backticks and backslashes?
 
the search utility doesn't seem to like them as much as we do
 
It's missing out. :)
 
hahahaha
 
9:58 AM
@Ced Hi.
 
Ced
@EliahKagan Hello
 
Can you describe the problem that you're having in full detail? Also, do you have a question about it posted anywhere? If so, I'll take a look. I checked briefly to see if you've posted about it on Ask Ubuntu and I didn't see anything, but I could've missed something.
 
Ced
I didn't post it but I fear it might get downvoted though since the question is basically to help me setup a vpn on ubuntu while I can't google anything because I'm in china.
 
You tried to set it up but it didn't connect?
If so, can you describe what kind of VPN it is and how you have attempted to set it up?
There's not really any way to know what's going wrong without a full description of what you've attempted to do, what you expected or hoped would happen, and what happened instead.
 
Ced
Well that's the thing I'm not sure how to set it up
I went into vpn settings
It says not set up and when trying to add I have the options: import from files or point to point tunelling
 
10:05 AM
Do you know specifically what VPN you intend to connect to? If you're talking about VPNs that are already set up for you, and that you have not set up yourself at the other end, then there are a number of different VPNs, and typically you have to pay to subscribe for access.
 
Ced
Hum, I wasn't ready to pay to be frank. I just wanted to check my gmail account.
Which of course is blocked in china
like everything else it seems
 
There may be a way for you to achieve this without paying. I'm not sure if a VPN or some other method, like using a web proxy, would be the best way. Regarding VPNs, we have some questions such as this one. If you just need to access a website, then you might be able to do that by connecting through a proxy server. I don't know how well that will work for Gmail.
 
@Ced are you a Chinese national or a foreigner residing in China?
 
Ced
foreigner just for a week
 
Activate VPN on your home router, set up Ubuntu to connect to your home router
Done.
 
Ced
10:11 AM
Yeah I should have thought about this before getting here
 
Yup... Now you're down to asking family to do that for you or pay for one.
VPN Client != VPN server
 
I have not found anything that suggests that the use of proxies is a particularly effective solution for this situation, so while I'm not totally sure, I think Fabby is right and that your best bet is to use a VPN. Especially if you only need it for a short time then the cost may just be worth it. You could ask someone you know to set one up for you. It is also possible to tunnel through SSH to achieve the same effect.
As with a VPN server, there would have to be an SSH server available for you to use for this purpose.
 
Ced
Allright thanks, I'll ask a family member to set a server up on the home router. Hopefully he can do that. Thanks. Anyway, laws about that are kinda crazy here.
 
So far, no foreign individuals have been incarcerated for connecting to their own VPN home network...
/shrug
 
10:39 AM
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Q: Resizing partition

SamI've got a server (Ubuntu 16.04) which has 6TB of total HDD. When I checked up on the disk usage just a minute ago, I only saw 1TB being 'recognised': https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/Hi5ap4q.png How do I expand this /home partition, without losing the data on it? I'm a bit confused due to this: https...

 
 
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12:13 PM
quick question: i've seen people use client-side js or css injection to optimise AU to their preferences... what tools are they using for this?
 
@don.joey the addon for chrome/chromium/vivaldi is called Tampermonkey, the firefox one Greasemonkey IIRC
Greasemonkey is a userscript manager made available as a Mozilla Firefox extension. It enables users to install scripts that make on-the-fly changes to web page content after or before the page is loaded in the browser (also known as augmented browsing). The changes made to the web pages are executed every time the page is viewed, making them effectively permanent for the user running the script. Greasemonkey can be used for customizing page appearance, adding new functions to web pages (for example, embedding price comparisons within shopping sites), fixing rendering bugs, combining data from...
@don.joey most scripts I use are from github, but there are also a bunch of hosting sites like e.g. greasyfork.org/enstartpage.com is your friend :)
 
@dessert Greasemonkey on Firefox was broken after the Quantum update (Firefox 57+ IIRC)
Dunno if it works again by now
I switched to Tampermonkey anyway
 
Thanks!
 
@don.joey oh, greasyfork.org/en also has a full list of userscript managers, I never heard of Violentmonkey before… ;P
 
Gold, thanks guys!
 
1:05 PM
I definitively would go for tampermonkey if you use firefox
It has so many features which make it superior to greasemonkey anyways, like backup/import/export of scripts and settings, which greasemonkey does not provide
 
also user site rule overrides
quite useful
dunno if greasemonkey has that
You have to disable the automatic tab switching on updates though, that's annoying
 
1:26 PM
@ByteCommander true :D
 
1:52 PM
hi
 
o/
long time no see!
 
2:50 PM
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Q: How to execute php under nginx with a different document root?

LieuweI have a php file that I am trying to access though a browser. The php file came with a set of instructions to set up nginx - however it assumes the php script is located in the document root. That space has already been taking so I am trying to get this to work in an alternative location. I ad...

 
3:08 PM
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7:48 PM
@Anwar (belatedly) Hi! good to see you. Hope you're doing well
 
hmm
tag edits still has to be approved, even when I am above 5k (and thus can approve tag edits)?
 
yes
 
ah, 20k to edit those directly :)
 
You need 20k to edit tags wikis/excerpts without approval
 
mm, I noticed :)
 
7:50 PM
oops
 
huge disparity between approving and editing directly :)
 
I know it's a bit weird being able to approve them but not... just make them yourself
 
and it seems that on AU there's not that many tag edits anyway?
 
But I found it kind of reassuring that someone more knowledgeable would be checking my possibly dubious tag wiki edits
yeah... I rarely see them :( A huge number of our tag wikis need work
 
yeah, I don't mind it at all. Just a little bit surprised :)
mm, I try to add whenever I notice a tag where I can write one that's currently blank. I'm not good at it tho. It's a difficult prose to write
 
7:53 PM
In fact, the fear of messing up is probably almost as important as laziness in discouraging me from making the many tag wiki edits I should be attempting
jokerdino wrote some guidance on tag wiki writing on meta...
let me find it...
 
I believe most of us would forgive a slight slip up from you based on the contributions you've made :P
we're humans. We fuck up things. Then we fix 'em. Mostly.
 
@Zanna unrelated: I reopened askubuntu.com/q/1027592/507051.
 
yes :)
 
@zanna ahwell, by that yardstick the one I wrote just now was at best mediocre :D
 
7:58 PM
@vidarlo :) I think the issue with tag wikis is that, while they are only slightly less editable than other content, they are otherwise difficult to moderate. They cannot be voted on or commented on. So it is harder to improve them than to improve posts
@vidarlo if you wrote one where one did not previously exist, it was a vast improvement :D
 
mm. Should allow comments that are shown on the tagwiki page, but not other places - or something similar
 
@Zanna wow, that sounds like a very interesting feature request for meta :O
 
shrug I don't know if there's any obvious way to improve the situation, other than fixing what Bhargav Rao (mod on SO) mentioned here
 
commenting or voting would be a improvement...
 
but if anyone wants to be inspired by what's possible (or, unless you already know way more about it than me, just learn some stuff), I strongly recommend reading the bash tag wiki on Stack Overflow
now that's a tag wiki
@vidarlo (at risk of pinging you to death) when I wrote a tag wiki for the tag, I thoroughly ignored at least one part of jokerdino's advice XD
PS approved your tag wiki edit suggestion, thank you very much for writing that!
(the excerpt needs one more approval because I didn't make any changes to it)
@dessert good thought :)
attributes the general silence to everyone reading the wonderful SO Bash tag wiki
 
8:17 PM
@vidarlo approved
 
admits to be reading about the apple trees he wants to plant in autumn instead
 
even better!
you can make some lovely desserts with your apples some day...
 
@Zanna baked apples filled with cranberries and a dusting of nutmeg and a pinch of salt allows them to become veggies.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Zanna oh, you should come by and try the pieplant pie my wife made, it's heavenly! :)
 
it's risky mentioning food to me. I could go on and on and on and on about that topic
pieplant? what is this glorious plant?!
 
8:24 PM
Maslov: without food and drink we're nothing.
 
For the term pertaining to baseball, see bench-clearing brawl.Rhubarb (Rheum rhabarbarum) is a species of plant in the family Polygonaceae. It is a herbaceous perennial growing from short, thick rhizomes. It produces large leaves which contain oxalic acid, are somewhat triangular, with long fleshy edible stalks and small flowers grouped in large compound leafy greenish-white to rose-red inflorescences. In culinary use, fresh raw leaf stalks (petioles) are crisp (similar to celery, although they do not share the same family) with a strong, tart taste. Although rhubarb is not a true fruit, in the...
 
oh yum. I bet it was delicious. That stuff is really unique :)
 
@dessert tell your wife to add one banana to every 2 rhubarb stalks.
makes it even better!
(Granny's recipe)
 
@Zanna it grows like weeds in our garden… :>
@Fabby good idea! she's combining it wih vanilla pudding in the pie
 
@Fabby oh good tip!
 
8:26 PM
@dessert Are you in Bavaria?
 
@Fabby so close: Saxony
 
@dessert How many Km from my place?
 
@Fabby that depends where that is :D
 
@dessert I just edited it...
@dessert Did you get it now?
 
@Fabby ok, checking
 
8:29 PM
@Zanna Granny was a queen in the kitchen.
Unfortunately for you, most of her recipes involved larding...
 
@Fabby 1 Std. 53 Min. (177 km) über A72 und A4
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
4h for Rhubarb... I think I'll post recipes here...
 
@Fabby (security note) I'm not sure who can see it, maybe it's a 10k thing, but I can see the revision history of edited posts. So, editing doesn't fully remove things from the transcript
 
@Zanna You're a mod.
mods can see that kind of stuff.
 
@Fabby not... that I know of
 
8:31 PM
@Fabby I can see it too.
@Zanna you don't have to know that to be one.
 
How?
@Zanna Aren't you on vegetarianism.se?
 
Star this if you think that Zanna is a mod.
:D
 
@Fabby nope
 
How can you see the edits?
 
I'll screenshot it
 
8:33 PM
ah...
Found it!
 
ok :)
 
History...
 
yeah
 
didn't know about it until just now either btw ;P
 
Meh, you can know where I live. Tons of people know my first name too.
BTW, do you make your own jam?
If yes: Quinces are gorgeous!
 
8:34 PM
me?
 
Quince juice to be more precise: contains a lot of pectine.
 
uh, I don't like them, but we have a tree full of them
 
In chat rooms that are publicly viewable, my understanding (based on experience using/accessing SE chat, and not always while logged in) all non-deleted chat messages' edit histories are publicly viewable, even by people who don't have an account, aren't in the room, etc. However, custom mod flags on chat messages can be used to request that a message be redacted or removed.
 
100years ago everyone had one in their garden just to be able to make kam.
 
Also, room owners can see edit histories on deleted messages, too, even if they are not mods (but I think all the owners of, say, this room, are mods anyway).
 
8:36 PM
@EliahKagan I know Nathan can see my deletes messages although he's not a mod on AU.
Delete d (not pinging you twice)
 
Yeah but he's a mod on Stack Apps and thus has mod powers on SE chat generally.
 
we have tons of jam, recently we found a glass labeled “1978”
 
@Zanna 100% vegan pectine from those quinces.
 
quince is mentioned in a famous poem my mum used to read me when I was a child, but I have never tasted it
 
not everything is edible any more though ;P
 
8:39 PM
@dessert when they're ripe, ping me, I'll come and pick them and send a box to Zanna.
@Zanna Ilooks like a cross between a pear, a lemon and an apple and tastes of honey if you use ...
Cane sugar! (Couldn't remember the word) to make jam out of the juice.
My aunt still has a tree and I get 2 jars of pure quince jam / year...
 
I lack the wherewithal to make jam. I can buy very satisfactory jam here, so I buy it instead. But a good friend of mine gifted me a jar of jam made from brambles/blackberries she had gathered on walks around the village where she lives.
 
@dessert I'm changing my mind: I'll drive over to you, pick the quinces, drive over to @Zanna and make jam for her.
:D
(using organic Cane sugar! Is there any non-organic cane sugar?)
 
@Fabby honey is not vegan, but I hereby publicly acknowledge that it is divine and irreplaceable and I occasionally overlook its presence in things I eat/use
 
Well, this stuff can replace honey!
Amaze your friends with Fabby's vegan honey!
 
that would be a feat :) I don't like the taste of cane sugar though (even pure and fresh from the cane)
@Fabby lol
 
8:45 PM
How about blue agave syrup?
 
@Zanna mmh, with white sugar it's still good, but not as good as cane.
If you don't mind, I can then send you some store-bought one then when I'm back to mum.
(Aunty's stuff is all gone, sorry )
 
@Fabby will do. If you want you can drop in on 2018-09-09 (tag-des-offenen-denkmals.de) or at any time else, the quinces should be ripe at the end of september.
 
@EliahKagan yes, I like it. I like coconut sugar best, also rice malt syrup, date syrup, maple syrup
@Fabby white sugar is worse
 
Urgh...
Lemme check if Vallée de l' Ourthe carries it.
 
lol
you supply the quinces, and I will fight with them
 
8:49 PM
@Zanna Here in the US, the darker more flavorful maple syrup is actually less expensive than the lighter less mapley maple syrup. I've heard that's not so elsewhere. OTOH many (most?) people around here use sometimes vaguely maple-flavored corn-syrup and call it maple syrup...
 
Organic and vegan!
(they use organic apple juice instead of white or cane sugar)
I can send you one of those when mum gets out of the hospital (currently at home in Germany, so can't get that stuff here neither)
 
@EliahKagan here I only see pure maple syrup and organic pure maple syrup, and they are both very expensive. But the taste of it is very special I think :) vaguely-maple-flavoured-corn-syrup sounds depressing
 
Enough about food! I'm getting hungry!
 
@Fabby yes, the jam I usually buy is made with fruit juice concentrate (usually grape juice or apple juice)
 
:D
 
8:52 PM
@Fabby isn't this rather jelly than jam?
 
@dessert Correct: made from juice.
 
Isn't jelly also the USian word for what Britishers call jam?
 
Nope: Jelly = made from juice, Jam = made from fruit.
 
hooray for confusion!
 
2 different products:
 
@Zanna When in duubt, go to the original: "Confiture" and "Gelée"
Alors, "Jam" et "Jelly" en Anglais...
:D :D :D
 
I usually try to go for the least refined version of the ingredient that will work in the recipe. I will bend the recipe a lot to accommodate that prejudice of mine towards the tastier less refined version
@EliahKagan yum :)
 
in German there's “Gelee” (from juice, jellylike consistency thanks to pectines IIRC) and “Marmelade” (from [normally cooked] fruit), no further distinction like with “jam” and “marmalade”
 
@Zanna The new grading system, mentioned as proposed in that article, has been in place for some years now, I believe, but I don't think it's transformed the prices nearly as much as that author expected.
 
@dessert Ananas Marmelade! (which sounds really funny in English)
Damn! It's pineapple...
(thinking of a fruit that has the same name in English and German)
 
9:00 PM
I think the Tamil word for pineapple must have somehow come from French...
 
Woudn't it have been the other way around?
 
@Fabby for a saxon that's “abbel” ;D
 
@dessert :D
close to Dutch "Appel"
(now that Rinzy is here)
@Rinzwind boss dead?
 
@Zanna why, what is it?
 
Queen of the blood
@dessert I think she was pulling my leg:
 
9:02 PM
@EliahKagan fascinating history
no, I wasn't
 
most cooking terms are French
But "Ananas" deosn't sound french.
lemme look up etymology
 
@dessert அன்னாசி (annaasi)
 
@Fabby me too
 
Tupian or Guarani origin.
(2 South American languages)
 
yep, south american indian languages
 
9:06 PM
I remember my dad bought a few pineapples on the cheap when I was 12 or 13 or so and hung them in one of our trees by a string and told me he planted a pineapple tree.
I looked at it for 1 second and told him: "Nice try, April's Fool's Day is long gone" and turned around.
I had to explain to him why I was unimpressed. :D
 
@Fabby :D
 
@Fabby wow
 
From that day on, I was allowed to go to the library twice a week instead of just once!
(He was into football and ended up playing tull he was 68 or so)
he just found it sad that his eldest son was more interested in books than football...
Until I knew something he had no clue about!
 
my six-year-old son falls for just everything, it can be as ridiculous as you want, my three-year-old on the other hand questions everything and is very hard to fool
 
I must've been a terrible child... I questioned everything.
Why is the sky blue? Why is the grass green? Why do I have to go to sleep when the sun is still out? Why do I have to play football? Why can I only go to the library once per week?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
 
9:11 PM
@Fabby lol
 
:D :D :D
That's why I ended up as a scientist...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway! Time for a smoke!!!
BRB
Anyway, I've talked too much about food: I'm hungry now...
(going to fetch something to eat)
 
@Zanna it's very likely that european traders brought the plant alongside its (european form of the) name to india and sri lanka:
> The Portuguese took the fruit from Brazil and introduced it into India by 1550.
 
9:27 PM
ah. well the Portuguese word is abacaxi (pronounced I think in Brazilian Portuguese abacashi) iirc
 
@Zanna you do rc
@Zanna but!
> O abacaxi (Ananas comosus), em Portugal também conhecido como ananás,
 
maracuja = passion fruit
mamao = papaya
manga = mango
and that's all I recall of err frutas em Portugues
 
hey
Oh @Zanna, congrats to 55.5k network rep :D
 
apparently (european) portuguese has both, and “abacaxi” stems from south american indian languages as well
 
9:32 PM
In my Tamil reading materials, there is a lot about how a guy called Sangkilian (who was a great warrior who loved his mother country and mother language) threw the Portuguese out of Sri Lanka when they tried to colonise it haha
@ByteCommander haha thanks!
 
@Zanna and they tried really hard to get rid of “foreign” stuff in their language as well, mostly Sanskrit – but how to name a fruit that has only a foreign name? …
 
there is another, possibly less foreign Tamil word for pineapple, but I've forgotten that one
 
from my perspective that's sad ;P
especially given that the languages the term “ananas” comes from are at least endangered, if not already dead
I really like it when a word survives for a long period of time and travels around the world, as it's the case with “paradise” from Old Iranian *pari-dayda- ‘walled enclosure’
 
I thought that the word "paradise" comes from really meant something like park
Iranians really love parks
even Tehran, regarded as an unattractive urban sprawl compared to the cherished gems of Shiraz and Isfahan, has an outrageous proportion of parks per unit area, iirc :)
(I used to study Farsi, but yadam raft (my knowledge went))
 
well, it's a garden surrounded by walls, and with the image of the Garden of Eden this became the acme of a splendid place
 
9:46 PM
@dessert I am not sure what you find sad... that I forgot the other word, or that there is another word. Because I think the one derived from Tupi/Guarani via Europeans is the one used
 
@Zanna that there is another word! As the fruit was not known there can't be an “original” Tamil word, so I assume linguistic purists created it, and if such a creation would replace a word from a possibly extinct language that travelled halfway around the world, that's sad.
 
I guess sometimes a park is a walled garden :) When did that word enter English?
@dessert yes, I agree, some purists probably invented that word and it's sad, but I think nobody uses it anyway :)
except those propagandistic children's teaching books I have...
 
@Zanna with the garden of eden called “paradise” in the septuaginta it's part of the biblical tradition I suppose
 
@dessert yes, I like this too. I love stories and crossings.
 
9:55 PM
my mum's idea of heaven might be a walled garden, with reliable sunshine and absolutely no ground elder
 
WTH is Ground elder?
(googling that)
 
a really tenacious weed
 
Aegopodium podagraria L. commonly called ground elder, herb gerard, bishop's weed, goutweed, gout wort, and snow-in-the-mountain, and sometimes called English masterwort, and wild masterwort, is a perennial plant in the carrot family (Apiaceae) that grows in shady places. The name "ground elder" comes from the superficial similarity of its leaves and flowers to those of elder (Sambucus), which is unrelated. It is the type species of the genus Aegopodium. This species is native to Eurasia, and has been introduced around the world as an ornamental plant, where it occasionally poses an ecological...
 
@dessert Reading same article already...
:P
 
> The tender leaves have been used in antiquity and throughout the Middle Ages as a spring leaf vegetable, much as spinach was used. Young leaves are preferred as a pot herb.
milk and honey I'd say ;)
 
10:02 PM
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@dessert Didn't know that neither...
 
I've passed that information on to my mum, and she's said we will eat it. If we show it we actually want it, it's bound to die off to spite us
 
Old vegetable making a return... I wonder if it tastes as foul as kale?
@Zanna :D :D :D
Leave the plant where it is and remove all its leaves in spring will kill it.
So basically: overgraze it!!!
 
kale tastes horrible unless it's made into thoran
 
>:-) >:-) >:-)
 
I can testify as a formerly ardent kale-hater that kale thoran is absolutely delicious
 
10:04 PM
@Zanna Well, my granny (the one from the rhubarb and bananas) used to grow it and if properly treated, it's OK.
(sorry, couldn't resist correcting that spelling error)
It wouldn't be to your liking as it has to be:
1. Frozen in the garden on the plant twice
2. Cut into strips while it's frozen
3. Boiled with some bicarbonate
4. Chopped
5. Fried in duck fat or lard fat
6. Added to boiled potatoes who're then mashed.
Then it's pretty good though!
(wouldn't know a vegan replacement for 5 though an aromatic fat or oil could do the trick; just never tried.)
Stopped eating it (and especially preparing it) after granny stopped planting her own veggies...
@Zanna Looks yummi with any vegetable, so I'm not surprised kale will taste good too!
>:-) >:-) >:-)
 
yes, thoran is awesome whatever vegetable is in it
 
back to film and probably fall asleep in front of it.
Good night all!
 
good night
 
 
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