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I just made a CW here... the story is long.... I helped this person and they ended up writing up the steps (rather incoherently) their answer was deleted by a mod, possibly because they deleted it from their other post (as I advised them it was in the wrong place and should be posted on the first one) and possibly because it was a bit confusing. I am not sure what to do now. Have I done the right thing? Can I get an upvote on my CW to close the question? Can we close the OP's linked question?

long time ago... because only now I can see the deleted answer!

@Zanna im not allowed to post answers cause of my rep on these forms how people downvote when i ask for help :( — Ubuntu N00B 6 hours ago

what to do here ^

do we really need skype-call-recorder ???

surely skype is enough?

edwinksl

@Zanna OP is not allowed to answer their own question? really?

yeah I would think that they can, but I don't wanna dispute their reality, you know? you can get an idea of their competence from the edit history of the question... but idk

I'm gonna reject the tag edit on skype-call-recorder I think that tag is overkill, so sue me

8:15 AM

i removed the tag from the only question it was in

edwinksl

@Zanna anwar just wrote a CW

thanks @Anwar :)

thanks for editing

:) teamwork :D

I'm re-writing an essay answer and getting distracted all the time

edward torvalds

8:27 AM

I have installed Linux Mint 18 and wireless drivers also, but NetworkManager cannot create wireless hotspot

I'm also doing maintenance, but I am feeling lazy @Anwar

hmm..

your answers?

@Zanna that gnome-terminal and "less" question is quite interesting. I've found bunch of workarounds, tweaked tons of settings, yet gnome-terminal stubbornly keeps the position of text :/

haha!

@Anwar yes, I need to move some images :(

@Serg I'll upvote the question then, I didn't realise it was a general problem.... why is gnome-terminal so glitchy?

@Zanna I don't think it's glitchy. The developers have made some . . . interesting choices there

8:33 AM

hehe ok!

I didn't maintain my answers for quite a long time. I know I should re-visit, but need more courage

The more i look at it, the more i come to dislike gnome stuff in general

except for a few things

@edwardtorvalds hi. As far as I know, hotspot things are very much hardware dependent. You should make sure these works in Windows or other OSes

@Anwar haha why is courage needed?

too many answers...

8:37 AM

haha long job yes

sometimes i get upvote on old answers, and re-read them; i often think "I could have done it much , much more different today. Oh, that was unnecessary, and this could be rewritten in shorter manner"

and I need testing on newer releases. but it's not possible for my current setup

I also have to change my html formatting to markdown in a few old ones

andrew.46

I confess to having dumped gnome terminal a while back: Sakura has been my best friend for some time...

@Serg I always edit when that happens

@andrew.46 there's a terminal emulator called cherry blossom??

8:38 AM

In these days of absence , I only updated 1 or 2 answers after notified from other readers comment

andrew.46

That is what it means

@Zanna yup , i used to use that one

Sakura is pretty cool, minimalistic

cherry blossom?? how do i install it?

andrew.46

That is what it means?

Keyboards dying here :(

@Anwar it's called Sakura. Sakura in japanese means cherry blossom

sudo apt-get install sakura

8:40 AM

ohh... got it. thanks

>:)

well, I've been bothered by sudo: unable to resolve host anwar-pc error since i changed the hostname with hostnamectl. Any solution?

do /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname match?

@Anwar Possible duplicate of askubuntu.com/q/59458/295286

>:)

Thank you. The culprit was /etc/hosts file retaining old value

8:46 AM

nearly 200 rep :)

@Edity keep up the good work !

imma just keep the editing quene alive

@Edity That's good! :)

19 more rep

Damit I cannot format the code correctly.

Q: How install Gcc 6.2 on debian 8x64

8:51 AM

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root@wermm:/var/gcc/gcc-6.2.0# ./configure checking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu checking target system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether ln works... yes checking w...

^ VTC OT NOTUBUNTU

...

is a dupe? askubuntu.com/q/823223/61218

@Edity sorry, my tired brain thought it was your question

There we go :)

Have some coffee or something

@Anwar it must be... please let's do something with it!

bbl

8:55 AM

later :)

Q: Just Installed Linux Mint, I'm confused about required password for secure boot and installing 3rd party software/drivers

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So I just installed Linux Mint 18 successfully as dual boot alongside Windows 10. During installation the first thing the installer asked me was if I wanted to install 3rd party drivers and software. It said that to install the 3rd party software, I need to disable secure boot and that I must pro...

drivers password secure-boot

^ VTC OT NotUbuntu

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Q: Firefox 47 and above slow scrolling over x2go or remote X (XDMCP, ssh)

From Firefox 47 and above the XRender support is disabled by default and will be removed in future releases. To fix slow scrolling: Set gfx.xrender.enabled to true in about:config ff_47_unbearable_slow_over_remote_x11 at reddit Firefox 46 vs. 47 over x2go at youtube

xorg firefox remote scrolling x2go

^VTC UnclearWhatYourAsking

I think that's meant to be a Q&A, I have commented to ask them to post an answer

could you stop one-boxing please?

sorry :)

no worries

@Zanna one-boxing ?

user136984

9:02 AM

@Serg: Posting it as a preview and not a link.

ah

Something like this: [Link Name](URL) is better and cleaner.

^_^ Enjoy your edits, editing quene.

user136984

Anyway, I've VTCed the last one.

user136984

As unclear.

user136984

9:04 AM

If they don't fix it by the time other people do the same then it will be gone.

user136984

Ooh! Just noticed I have 13,333 rep! That's a funny number! :D

I can't edit now for some reason

Oh well, time to take a break.

you can't have more than 5 pending edits at a time

@ParanoidPanda a big number!!

Oh, I guess so.

user136984

@Zanna Can't you? I'm sure that wasn't the case about a year and a half ago when I was below 2k.

user136984

9:07 AM

I remember doing like 20 in one go.

@Zanna I see your decline. Seems like a unnessasary tag to me too.

user136984

Wait, how long have I been here? :D

user136984

I'm getting all confused now... :P

@Edity it has no questions so it will die as long as nobody uses it

Well NUKE IT EARLY

WOOOOOOOOOOO

9:08 AM

we can't, it has to die by itself

we can only untag the questions

or that's what I understood from Seth anyway

user136984

@Rinzwind: You don't happen to know anything about this do you?

user136984

Or anyone else know anything about it? :)

Aeroplane mode

what happens when you ask systemctl status bluetooth?

@ParanoidPanda it disables hardware that's all I know :P

9:13 AM

When i enable bluetooth my tooth becomes blue

user136984

@Zanna: It says it is inactive.

user136984

That is something I have noticed disappears from my list of possible connections when I turn that mode on, but I'm curious about what else it does.

I wonder if aeroplane mode is a systemd .target

do systemctl list-unit-files | grep target

@ParanoidPanda wiki.ubuntu.com/FlightMode

user136984

@Zanna:

user136984

9:15 AM

basic.target                               static
bluetooth.target                           static
busnames.target                            static
cryptsetup-pre.target                      static
cryptsetup.target                          static
ctrl-alt-del.target                        disabled
default.target                             static
emergency.target                           static
exit.target                                disabled
failsafe-graphical.target                  static

user136984

@Rinzwind: Thanks! I will take a look at that! :)

meh, idk :) if it is it doesn't have a helpful name!

@ParanoidPanda and the script lcp.github.io/urfkill-doc/URfkill.html

modified 57 secs ago Edity 187

WOOHOO

that page was last edited in 2013 o.0

user136984

9:20 AM

So is it bad to have Flight Mode on all the time as my system seems to have that as default?

that seems weird...

afaik I have no flight mode

user136984

@Zanna: In your networking settings.

no

user136984

What flavour are you using?

MATE

user136984

9:22 AM

Hmm... Don't know about MATE, but you should have it somewhere.

user136984

Perhaps have a look through all of your settings? It should be there somewhere, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't.

searching for flight or aeroplane or airplane in control centre finds nada

the star wall is looking kind of rubbish

can someone say something awesome please?

3

user136984

Yes, I think someone has just been staring random things which they agree with or something like that. I wish there was some sort of page with guidelines about the star wall because seriously some people just don't get it.

why am i still awake ?

too much coffee?

9:28 AM

no, i didn't drink any coffee tonight

user136984

Just got the Socratic gold badge again! :D

more like being stubborn and searching for things

user136984

And only 13 of them have been awarded on the site so that feels good! :)

Does this person need to show us their scripts or is the answer really obvious? askubuntu.com/questions/823232/… (I don't think the answer there is very useful)

@ParanoidPanda again? it's awarded multiple times?

that is perfectly allowed @Edity

oh

Noone saw anything

9:32 AM

i saw it >:)

and you shouldn't ping mods to do what the community can do :) they have enough stuff to deal with

user136984

What were all those deleted messages?

rusty spon?

user136984

@Zanna: Yes, apparently I've had it awarded to me twice now.

I need to edit fast!

No time for slow review quenes!

9:35 AM

@ParanoidPanda wow congratulations!

I only have 10 questions...

user136984

Thanks :)

user136984

It's funny to think how soon 16.10 is to being released! :D

how did it get to September already?

user136984

It just doesn't feel right because normally when a new release is nearing completion there is much hype about it, however there doesn't seem to be anything new in it which people are talking about.

@Zanna time flies , while we humans crawl around

user136984

9:42 AM

I hope we haven't got to a stage where there is nothing really to add/change?

sure is cold outside at night

@ParanoidPanda I don't think it's possible :) "everything is changing around us"

user136984

Well, yes, there will be package updates etc, but I mean like big changes to the DE and internal workings like there were up to 15.04.

@NathanOsman Launchpad question. i wanna fork a project , but unlike github i don't see an easy option for that on lp. so how can one do that ?

Brilliant answer, thank you very much! — user557506 2 mins ago

Ah I did understand correctly what they were asking!

phew!

user136984

9:48 AM

Yay! GNOME 3.22 is going to be released on the 19th of September! :D

@Zanna small tip: strace has option to specify output file -o i think

so you don't have to use 2> file.txt

NOOOOO

oh! lemme see

so that's it.

it's in the man page somewhere

9:49 AM

O_o

that's dark

user136984

I keep missing these removed messages... :D

:D

i want hot chocolate right now

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thanks @Serg !

it's cold outside

9:53 AM

make hot chocolate

sudo make hotchocolate.c ?

sudo make cupofubuntu.c ?

or

Hot Chocolate - You Sexy Thing (Live 1976)

►

terdon

@Serg there's no policy sin e there's no way of knowing who downvoted.

@Rinzwind I deleted the question tagged with it, the tag should age away by itself now.

@terdon \o/ @zanna

9:59 AM

^_^ thanks @terdon @Rinzwind

testing?

okay

I really need to change ISP's

@terdon i just find it strikingly odd that Thor's two posts, accepted one and non-accepted one , both have no downvotes, while mine and other guys both have -1 , even though clearly both work and have no issues

This modem is possesed man

It keeps turning off

in fact sp asic, the other guy, gave sed solution, which is what OP said they prefer

terdon

@Serg nevertheless, there's nothing we can do.

10:02 AM

understandable

commitable

wait, uncommitable

@Serg can you feel the taste slowly creep in while watching above photo?

user136984

Is anyone else having any trouble connecting to the Ubuntu wiki site?

@Serg hehe I think I answered a question somewhere where user asks "can I do this with grep or sed?" and I write "you can do with grep not very well like this and with sed quite well like this" and someone else writes " you can do with awk like this" and OP "accepts" (comments to say they liked it more, but didn't actually click the tick) awk solution (rightly, as it was shorter and easier to understand)

@Edity oh yes . . . while this is supposed to be chocolate, the color more reminds me of caramel though

lol

10:08 AM

@Zanna in this case, the issue isn't what OP prefers, really. I already answered after the question got accepted answer. What irks me is that mine and other person got downvote with no explanation, which really "smelled" to me like someone trying to make their answer look better or just downgrate the other answers

yeah I get it, sorry that happened, was just sharing my own amusement with vaguely related situation

@ParanoidPanda You mean viewing or logging in?

user136984

@ByteCommander: Viewing, but it seems to be working fine now.

And with that situation that you mention, well , OP doesn't always know there's better way, so they ask for sed or grep first, but then someone throws in one-line awk or perl and suddenly they realize that's way better than what they wanted really

user136984

I just couldn't connect for a few minutes.

10:15 AM

@Serg yes very true

The Ubuntu wiki site has always been crappy.

user136984

Do you think they are going to fix it up at some point?

Many parts are totally outdated, and logging in takes hours in Firefox (minutes in Chromium).

user136984

I think I heard at some point that they are planning it as now basically nobody maintains the pages, in fact, I am being forced to maintain the pages I care about! :D

I think it's abandoned and nobody really dares to fix all the mess left.

user136984

10:16 AM

@ByteCommander: Hours? I'm on Firefox and it doesn't take more than a few seconds for me.

Goodnight

user136984

I just keep the really important release related pages as up to date as I can though I can't deal with more than a few pages.

user136984

I think they shouldn't have a wiki and should just have a documentation site.

user136984

That would be better.

@ParanoidPanda someone answered your aeroplane question :)

Q: Recovering data from an encrypted hard drive

10:20 AM

@ParanoidPanda When I once logged in the first time there to fix a typo I encountered, it took eternities in Firefox. I then aborted and tried in Chromium, which was still slow, but bearable.

Anybody good with hard disks?

This guy's disk is behaving extremely strangely.

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My old laptop processor has collapsed last morning, but the hard drive is still working, as well as the RAM sticks (at least, there's no evidence of them not working). When my brother made the Ubuntu installation, he chose to encrypt the home folder. So, whenever I try to use the hard drive on a...

hard-drive encryption data-recovery

(he does not want to recover data, just make the formerly encrypted HDD usable normally again)

I thought it was you who was good with that stuff

I thought so too until now.

If Fabby was here, I'd ask him.

Not sure who else is good with that stuff.

user136984

@ByteCommander: Don't you have Fabby on Tox or something?

user136984

Anyway, he would say to make a backup. :P

It is encrypted and the password is lost, so no backup anyway.

Just make the HDD behave like a HDD again.

10:29 AM

I wonder, if you can recover data from an encrypted partition without password, why do we need encryption at all?

According to askubuntu.com/tags/hard-drive/topusers I'm #21 of the top hard-drive answerers.

@Rinzwind is #4, so when you come back online, would you please have a look at askubuntu.com/questions/823029 please?

please close or delete if possible (useless Windows question) askubuntu.com/q/823245/367990

morning!

VTCed

hey

morning IanC

10:40 AM

how are you doing?

gtg to work, I am going to hibernate my system, just because I can ^_^

cool, see you later @Zanna, have a nice day at work!

user136984

Do you guys think it will have a big impact in April next year when 12.04 goes EOL?

user136984

Do many use it still?

\o morning Ian

10:49 AM

hey @Serg, how you're doing man?

i'm alright, curiosity kept me awake :)

i'm in bed now, though, ready to sleep

I'm about to go sleep too, just got back from work

almost 8am here

4:53 AM

damn, what were you curious about to be awake so long? haha

btw, did you start with Ruby?

No, not quite. I just did a few one-liners here and there, i figured out it has shell much like python, but haven't dived into it too deep

10:56 AM

I've read the first 15 chapters of the book, but so far reaaaaally beginner stuff

As for curious stuff, i figured out another script ( which i might be working on tomorrow ) and there was an interesting historical question about Plan 9 OS on unix.stackexchange.com

what is Plan 9?

It's an OS, by same guys that made Unix

got it

man, I think I'll read a bit of Ruby everyday, but can't really commit to study it hard

because I didn't finish the other 2 books yet, kinda stuck on some chapters

but since at least the basics sound really simple, I'll read a bit of it when I have time

Other two ? I know you were working on C book, what's the other one ?

11:00 AM

Network Protocols

I've been on this for waaay too long

oh, ok

but it's dense stuff

with C I could read quite fast, but with this book I get stuck in a page trying to fit the pieces sometimes

too many details, specially on TCP

Speaking of protocols and networks, Im taking a class on Data Communication this fall, so we're gonna be studying basics of all that stuff

quite excited

And due to classes and stuff, i'll probably will be writing less answers

nice! If you have some doubt I'm available, even though I think it's easier for you to answer my doubts on this matter than the other way around haha

well, i haven't even started with this yet, so I guess you're probably way ahead of me :)

11:07 AM

I'm reading a bit about Gtk, finally I think I understand a bit of all those GNOME, Gtk, KDE, Qt, Unity terminology

it always sounded a bit complicated because I didn't know who did what

Are you going to try writing some Gtk apps ?

I think so, just gotta figure out something useful to code :)

for now I'm just playing around to see how it works, getting the basics

Yes, that's the biggest issue for me,too.I want my code be useful. I could keep making indicators, but I need ideas that people will find practical and useful

have you ever used the appindicator library with C?

Nope. I only copied example online and tried to compile it. Took me forever to figure it out, but i finally did find the proper way to do it online.

Python makes it much much easier to make indicators

With C , I'd need to study gtk stuff first before going into indicators.

11:18 AM

pro side of scripting languages

con is the speed, big programs tend to get reeeeally slow on them

you don't need gtk on python to work with appindicators?

I do need Gtk stuff in python as well, but it's far simpler.

I think you will get it easy on C

python probably uses a wrapper, but the Gtk objects and routines should follow the same guidelines on both

Everything just takes time to figure out.

Anyway, i'll go sleep now

o/ have yourself a good day/evening/whatever , chat folks !

alright, good night Serg, talk to you later!

Serg GoodNight don't let the code byte! :D

IanC Hello! :)

11:28 AM

hey Henry, how you're doing?

Ok

why just ok? something happened (if you don't mind me asking of course!)?

Ok was the fastest thing to say.

ooh right haha

@edwinksl added a note

why even askubuntu.com/questions/823276/…

11:40 AM

I just spent two hours installing Windows 10 in a VM and now I don't really know what to do with it.

@Takkat try to break it

it was so nice to me, said "Hi. Glad you're here!"

@ByteCommander hmm?

disk smells like it is broken :P

@Takkat with a fading color background for 20 minutes? :P

@Zacharee1 yeah fading in an out of the blue it did.

11:43 AM

@Takkat format c: ?

I think it was lying.

@Rinzwind I wait a bit with that...

no that was sarcasm!

@Takkat I spent half of a day trying to installing windows 10 in a VM and had to do it all over again the next day.

Who is Cortana in the Ubuntu world... Rinzwind perhaps?

nope

11:44 AM

me :P

when you try to research for an answer and find a dupe askubuntu.com/questions/823274/…

@HenryWHHackv2.0 I will not do it again.

@Zacharee1 that is what usually happens to me... AU became really really good.

:p

We even know about Cortana for Ubuntu

user136984

12:12 PM

In just over a month 16.10 will be released! :D

user136984

What's new in it?

user136984

I've asked this many times, but that's just because I really want to find something new in it! :D

welp

Mir and Unity 8 still aren't coming

@ParanoidPanda omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/what-to-expect-ubuntu-16-10-unity-7

user136984

I think that Ubuntu GNOME's gnome3-staging PPA is going to start having Wayland by default, but I don't know if that is such a good idea because let's just say that last time I tried Wayland my machine exploded. :P

whew askubuntu.com/questions/823281/…

PuTTY needs to stop disconnecting when I'm running apt-get

12:23 PM

@Zacharee1 Hehe :)

Nice